Q and A about Ron Hubbard, Bill Robertson, Scientology, the Free Zone and Ron's Org

[Christine]

Hi dpwishy.... could you give a bit more information on why you thought what Robert Monroe said is true and what he meant when he said LRH "found" the book Dianetics? I am curious being the LRH went on to write over 250 works of fiction and hundreds of volumes of technical processes. His work stands for him so to say he found Dianetics does deserve a bit more explanation.

Thanks,
Christine

Posted by dpwishy (here)
I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

[jiminii]

THE STORY OF A STATIC
Once upon a time there was a thetan, and he was a happy little thetan and the
world was a simple thing. It was all very, very simple.
And then one day somebody told him he was simple.
And eversince that time he has been trying to prove that he is not.
And that is the history of the Universe, the Human Race, the Fifth Invaders, the
Fourth Invaders, the 3 1/2 Invaders, the people on Mars, Saturn, Jupiter, Arcturus, the
Markab Galaxy, the Markab System, the Psi Galaxy, Galaxy 82 -
I don't care.where you look-that's the story.
Only it's too simple a story, much too simple a story, because a thetan would
have to admit he was simple if he understood it.
LRH

this is a quote from LRH. It is one of my most favorite quotes. Because in all this complexity. I still try to find simplicity in the old places and villages where everything is shared in complete simplicity. All that are there in those villages are so so so poor compared to the rest of the world. But in their simplicity they are probably the most enlightened even if they are not aware of it.

jim

[dpwishy]

Posted by Christine (here)
Hi dpwishy.... could you give a bit more information on why you thought what Robert Monroe said is true and what he meant when he said LRH "found" the book Dianetics? I am curious being the LRH went on to write over 250 works of fiction and hundreds of volumes of technical processes. His work stands for him so to say he found Dianetics does deserve a bit more explanation.

Thanks,
Christine

Posted by dpwishy (here)
I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

I don't know much about L Ron or Dianetics. Just something I heard in an interview and I figured this would be the place to ask. What if L ron was the first to find this already written so he was the first to practice the tech's and grow them? I don't mean anything by it, you guys seem to know a lot about this stuff so I was just wondering. I am just curious.

I believe the interview was

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CBii06UyWwY

I have always respected Robert Monroe and what he has done for consciousness also. He seems like a honorable person, which I have heard quite the contrary about L Ron. Just wondering, you guys are the experts....

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

[jiminii]

Posted by dpwishy (here)
I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

My father was up in Idaho and he was trying to find a good way to get the gold out of the old left over mines there that one can get a lot more money out if it was extracted more refined since the prices of gold went so high that it was worth doing this kind of refinement.

He took me to a place and showed me how some people were really getting the gold out of the leftover piles from previous mining operations.

I asked why he was doing this.

He said, "Son ... there is probably a million ways to do anything wrong ..... but there is always someone out there that is doing it right ..... all you have to do if find the person who is doing it right."

It wouldn't matter if LRH FOUND it from someone else. It only matters that he recognized what it would do and could use it to help others.

and from there find the more advanced processing that came out of learning how to take someone into their past.

jim

[dpwishy]

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)
I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

My father was up in Idaho and he was trying to find a good way to get the gold out of the old left over mines there that one can get a lot more money out if it was extracted more refined since the prices of gold went so high that it was worth doing this kind of refinement.

He took me to a place and showed me how some people were really getting the gold out of the leftover piles from previous mining operations.

I asked why he was doing this.

He said, "Son ... there is probably a million ways to do anything wrong ..... but there is always someone out there that is doing it right ..... all you have to do if find the person who is doing it right."

It wouldn't matter if LRH FOUND it from someone else. It only matters that he recognized what it would do and could use it to help others.

and from there find the more advanced processing that came out of learning how to take someone into their past.

jim

I agree it wouldn't matter in that aspect, but doesnt it say something about the person and character if this is the case and they put their name on it like they created it? If I found a painting that no one has seen before and put my name on the bottom of it, even if it was the greatest painting in the world that changed peoples mind on what a painting could be forever. What does that say about me? I think in the end these things do matter.....

I didnt know if this was something that was talked about, rumored or so on. Like I said, I dont know much about L ron.

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

[1 flew over]

Posted by dpwishy (here)
I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

Wishy

I hold Robert Monroe in high regard. He did some very expansive work and I still intend to do some of his hemi-sync work. I talked with a couple of his instructors a year or so ago.

There was a book published in Germany in 1934 called Scientologie and it had what seems to be some of the original precepts that LRH later expanded in his Organization of Scientology. I have a copy of it around here somewhere.

I have never heard about an earlier Dianetics book. I have always considered Dianetics; modern science of Mental health to be poorly written and very redundant writing. I found it very difficult to read, somewhat difficult to follow but quite effective in helping others to "clean up" their beings. To me it shows itself to be very hastily written, like it was just thrown together in a week and over lots of pots of coffee. I have listened to many of Hubbard’s early tapes and he has a casual but knowledgeable and effective auditing style. I have known some who worked with him very early like John Galusha (a great man) and he never mentioned anything about Hubbard being anything but the original author, even though there were personality conflicts between them.

I have been close friends with people who worked, studied and audited with Hubbard and they mentioned that even though he was a very driven man and worked insane hours per week to try to improve and expand the organization and auditing tech, he seemed to actually believe that it was the answer to our way out of this current game we live in.

I studied and received auditing from Scientology Missions, Orgs and advanced Orgs until the early eighties when the Organization was overtaken and everything radically changed totally for the worst. I am now involved with Ron’s Org and have never looked back.

Scientology used to be fun, inexpensive and very expansive. I looked into the organization recently and it is now oppressive/suppressive, mind numbingly expensive and reduces peoples self awareness and expansiveness. It is nothing but a very sick shell of what it once was. Many of the staff are well intentioned but are being lied to.

I'll watch the video from Monroe and take a read on it.

All of this is spoken from my, oh so humble opinion.

Be Well
1 Flew Over

[jiminii]

Posted by dpwishy (here)

Posted by jiminii (here)

Posted by dpwishy (here)
I was watching an interview with Robert Monroe who claimed that L ron did not write Dianetics. That he found it already written and reproduced it as his own. He made a comment that this is how the book was written so quickly. He also said L Ron was not that good at the employing the technique. That he went and studied where L Ron was in the beginning. How much merit does this have?

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

My father was up in Idaho and he was trying to find a good way to get the gold out of the old left over mines there that one can get a lot more money out if it was extracted more refined since the prices of gold went so high that it was worth doing this kind of refinement.

He took me to a place and showed me how some people were really getting the gold out of the leftover piles from previous mining operations.

I asked why he was doing this.

He said, "Son ... there is probably a million ways to do anything wrong ..... but there is always someone out there that is doing it right ..... all you have to do if find the person who is doing it right."

It wouldn't matter if LRH FOUND it from someone else. It only matters that he recognized what it would do and could use it to help others.

and from there find the more advanced processing that came out of learning how to take someone into their past.

jim

I agree it wouldn't matter in that aspect, but doesnt it say something about the person and character if this is the case and they put their name on it like they created it? If I found a painting that no one has seen before and put my name on the bottom of it, even if it was the greatest painting in the world that changed peoples mind on what a painting could be forever. What does that say about me? I think in the end these things do matter.....

I didnt know if this was something that was talked about, rumored or so on. Like I said, I dont know much about L ron.

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

I don't know either if it is fact or fiction. the thing is this. many people tried to add their THINK in the beginning and finally it came out that the GROUP wanted it to be from LRH ONLY .... and either approved or not by him personally.

So that became policy to protect the material from alteration from people who will try to add technology that destroys the original good workable technology.

many people did try to alter this and they had to make policy

called "Keeping Scientology working" a policy that puts LRH in charge of being the originator or Source point of the data.

it was converted to a religion because they could put him in jail by saying he is not allowed to practice without a license.

so he couldn't just create a philosophy and operate it with the laws being setup the way they are.

jim

[dpwishy]

Thank you guys and gals for the well thought out and intelligent posts, this is why I asked this question here. I knew you guys would step up and deliver. This is why I love this forum. I hope you guys dont think I have something against this man, just something I heard and was wondering the validity of it. Thanks again

In divine friendship,
your brother,
-wishy

[Bill Ryan]

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For the early history of Hubbard's writing of the 1950 Dianetics book (and much else -- it's all pretty accurate), do listen to this balanced and very well-researched 1987 BBC radio documentary.

Excellent, and also fascinating for anyone with an interest in Hubbard's life, full of archived interview material with people no longer with us.

Ruthless Adventure : the lives of L Ron Hubbard
http://projectavalon.net/Ruthless_Ad...on_Hubbard.mp3 (40 mins, 21 Mb)

[1 flew over]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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For the early history of Hubbard's writing of the 1950 Dianetics book (and much else -- it's all pretty accurate), do listen to this balanced and very well-researched 1987 BBC radio documentary.

Excellent, and also fascinating for anyone with an interest in Hubbard's life, full of archived interview material with people no longer with us.

Ruthless Adventure : the lives of L Ron Hubbard
http://projectavalon.net/Ruthless_Ad...on_Hubbard.mp3 (40 mins, 21 Mb)

Bill

Thank you for this recording. It adds a good historical link. I had never heard this before, I'll add it to a little collection I have started.

Be Well
1 Flew Over

[Chanlo23]

Posted by Bobd (here)
There is ONE specific KEY nobody ever talks about as OT's or with Kings and Queens, or with ministers or psychologists, the Presidents and the person under the door entryway without any house... it is this:

1) When you have a JOY an understanding a Sorrow a Win or a Loss - savor it for what it means to you...
2) At that point, get the idea of a gift. Get the idea of what the ultimate Source of All is, whatever that may be for one...
IF it is GOD, if it is the 8th Dynamic if one is a CoS (Church of Scientology devotee practitioner), or a Free-Zoner - - -
Find the One (or the ALL) who is there, the "sum total" of all the experiences and beingnesses reach out to that, the "all that is all", and
3) Get the idea that you are now sending your gift of that experience you achieved to that "allness of consciousness"

As you do that see and experience the "allness" receiving that "gift". And let go.

At that moment open into receiving what may come back from the Allness of that which was is and will be..

Say thank you for that.

That brief exercise is the sole mission purpose of why this Universe was created - let's call it God wants to know what is it like to be YOU. That is all that it is. Who are you, what do you feel, what have you learned, loved, felt, hated, gave up, took in, all of you - that is all that it is about - what is it like to be you...

I came to understand how very powerful this one key could be on a single hot summer afternoon in the Texas countryside.

One year, after I had been laid off from my state job, I began attending a series of healing workshops to expand my skill set in areas related to body-energy-process-trance work. While the workshop techniques had proven useful, their true value to me had been in extraordinary moments of great wonder and awe that nourished me on every level. I received insights, healing and understanding that was not covered in the 3D presentations via a wide array of phenomenal experiences in the most unexpected of circumstances.

By the 6th or 7th workshop, I had come to expect something magnificent each and every time - a grand vision, a colossal 'aha', a paradigm shift, a significant healing for myself or one of the attendees, and one or more miraculous moments when the universe itself paused to whisper in my ear. Then, it happened. Two of the first three days of the latest workshop were simply OrDINARy. Utterly Mundane. Crushingly Technical.

I was beyond disappointed as I sat on a hillside alone, at the lunch break on the third and last day, looking out over this beautiful, green valley, and teared up. I was feeling sorry for myself, feeling that I had gained 'nothing' because I had not been gifted as I had so many times before. Then, sitting there, I thought back over those times, recalled all the gifts I had been given previously, reliving the fullness of each experience as it had enriched my life. I teared up again, but this time, in gratitude. I gave it all back, saying "Thank you" out loud. At that very moment, a soft, sweet breeze caressed my cheek and lifted my hair. The sun reached down to kiss me on the forehead and I WAS blessed.

Thanks to BobD for reminding me. Thanks to Bill for this thread.

[cuitlahuac]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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CBR left the Church in 1982, as part of the great exodus that was partly precipitated by Dane Tops. (Read his interview transcript here.) CBR moved to Europe, founded what he called "Ron's Org" in 1984, and with another ex-Church and highly trained auditor, Ulrich Kramer, researched a number of missing techniques that LRH had either never discovered, or never made public. Those techniques opened the door to a great number of people to develop themselves in ways that they had never believed possible.

I myself connected with Ron's Org in 1988, and it was immediately obvious to me that this was the 'way out'. Now, Ron's Org primarily exists in Europe and Russia (astonishingly to many, there are more highly trained and able Ron's Org scientologists in Russia than anywhere else), though there are small groups of very highly trained people in America and South Africa. I know many of them personally. Some of them are the highest quality and most able human beings it has ever been my privilege to know.

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Hi Bill. When I met in the Internet the Freezone (2005) established by Capt. Bill Robertson, one of the key elements were the "Free Zone Decree" and the "No Intervention" Decree, where according to Mr. Robertson there is an agreement with the governing body of this galaxy to forbid the use of nuclear warfare as well as biochemical warfare on this planet and "No Intervention" is allowed on the planet from external (ET) sources. I can give more details, buy I wanted to know if this topic has been discussed earlier in this thread, and in case it hasn't then I would want to ask what is your opinion on this.

For my part, all I can say is that there seems to be no real threat of nuclear war (except due to "natural causes" as was Fukushima) and no cases of real biochemical warfare (except by hidden means like transgenic food). This tends to confirm the "Freezone Decree" and the "Non Interference" Decree. But I have no other means to verify the facts of the Decrees or the existence of the "Governing Body for this galaxy".

[cuitlahuac]

Here are the references to the Free Zone decree and the Non Interference decree Capt. Robertson used to name the Scientology Freezone. Even today it is hard for me to write about them because I have no way to verify the validity of them nor I have the means to verify the validity of the Galactic Patrol or the other statements in the decrees.

The Free Zone Decree

The FREE ZONE DECREE was received on Earth on the 10th of November 1982 at 1030 GMT. It states, (as relayed from Mainship, Sector 9):
Official Decree - Galactic Grand Council

The planet known as Teegeeack - local dialect "Earth" or Terra - Sun 12, Sector 9, is hereby declared a Free Zone.
No political interference in its affairs from any other part of the Sector or Galaxy will be tolerated.
No economic interference in its affairs will be tolerated from any non-planetary agency or power.
All of its inhabitants are hereby declared Free Zone Citizens and free of external political or economic interference.
The regulating agency of this decree is the Galactic Patrol Sector 9, Sector Commander Elron Elray and his designated representatives.
The planet is henceforth under the Sole Auspices of the Galactic Patrol, Sector 9, for coordination with Galactic and Sector Affairs and for compliance with this decree.
The Technical and Ethical experiments in progress on Teegeeack are not affected by this decree and are to continue under the auspices of the Galactic Patrol, Sector 9.
This Decree is issued by unanimous vote of the Grand Council.

GRAND COUNCIL CHAIRMAN
FOR ALL MEMBERS
SECTOR 0
GALAXY 1

Link: http://www.freezone.org/cbr/sector9/e_fzdecr.htm

Sector 9: the sector of the galaxy where Earth is located at.

Galactic Grand Council: The ruling body for this galaxy, located at the center of the galaxy.

Elron Elray: Sector Commander that was known on earth as L. Ronald Hubbard.

Sector 0: the center of this galaxy.

Galaxy 1: The Milky Way, galaxy 0, Andromeda.

I would like to add that this subject was proposed for discussion to the mexican ufologist Jaime Mausan on his TV program "Tercer Milenio" but he rejected to talk about it stating "I am no expert on that".

[sian]

Thank you Mr Ryan and Avalon for bringing light to the possibilities of humanity's potential and going beyond the controversial blindness so evident in pounded ignorance. many have attacked without realizing/knowing of the greater 'knowing' behind the veil of deception

by writing on this thread (i've lurked for quite a long time in the background before joining here recently) i communicate with reason that i'm finally getting it, slowly but surely.

loss of 'memory' has been the down fall of man as most who participate here would attest to. it is certain, and rings true for me. the very fact i have severe memory loss in everyday activity never mind being able to digest/organize/process my mind to it's fullest potential is now proven, to me, by how RH Self Analysis techniques which are so powerful and so simple. could a man like this be delusional, not in my book, he may not have been perfect, but none of us can claim to that.

i'm only just, in the past couple of weeks or so, doing the exercises, still procrastinating somewhat, the habit of a lifetime realized and admitted lol. however, the simple techniques are extremely powerful, the personal evidence in the reactions within my body, some quite severe, to many of the recalls only reiterates i have yet to find clarity within me. nothing i have tried in the past has come close to this tech. to be honest, i'm terrified of the magnitude that could lie hidden but in order to be set free i have to face my responsibilities and fears without a shadow of a doubt.

Thanks again
Sian

[Davidallany]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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A little more in answer to seko above:
[*]One can also do sessions with a distant auditor over Skype. (The meter can be with either person.)

This is great if one is living in another country or busy or both. I have always been interested in doing this, but travelling was an issue.

[Davidallany]

At this stage of my development I understand the term scientology to mean Social engineering/spiritual awakening. Scientology is powerful and is as valid and effective as Buddhisim,sometimes is even more so. except that in scientology one goes directly to the heart of the issue, while in Buddhisim one can spend many years beating around the bush just to get over shadows and fears. Scientology is the shortest way to crossing the bridges so far and as far as I know. I think scientology and buddhisim are great companions, perhaps two faces for the same coin.
I have a great admiration for the Buddha, LRH and CBR.

[cuitlahuac]

Is there a ban on nuclear warfare on planet Earth as described in The NON-INTERFERENCE DECREE?:

The NON-INTERFERENCE DECREE on Sector 9 was received on Earth on the 29th April 1982 at 1200 GMT. It states, (as relayed from Mainship, Sector 9):

"The stars in this Sector are under a Non-Interference Decree from Galactic Central - Grand Council. The stipulations of the decree are:

1. No interference is permitted in the zone known as Sector Nine until further notice.

2. This decree is to be enforced by the Galactic Patrol.

3. There shall be no use of atomic, chemical, or biological weapons in the zone.

http://galac-patra.org/teegeeack.html

I have no means to verify this statement. But so far, it is clear to me that no nuclear weapons have been used so far on the planet, and no chemical or biological weapons either. So, the only means for the "Rulers of the World" to use atomic, chemical and biological weapons is by smuggling them or using covert means to use them. This would be the case of the Fukushima nuclear incident, that is said to have been created by Israel and the USA via a computer virus (stuxnet) and an engineered tsunami. This would be a case of a smuggled nuclear weapon.

Also in the case of the Gulf of Mexico, there is evidence that British Petroleum used synthetic life (synthetic microbes) to "manage" the false flag spill, and this would be a case of smuggled biological weapons, as would be genetically modified foods. Monsanto herbicides would be a case of smuggled chemical weapons.

It seems to indicate that the decrees might be authentic, but we need to take care of false flag atomic, chemical and biological attacks on mankind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuDO0l8K90I

BP Admits using Synthetic Microbes in Gulf

[gnostic9]

Hello Bill, gnostic9 here. I read this/or these replies some time ago. Where ever the path has led you is the path for you, and I respect that. For me it's different and I hope you respect that too. Many strange things have occured in my journey, but I have learned from self to understand, i am not 100% sure of the definition of truth and life. I can only feel that which i experience. I was in a coma !990 and had a dream, which brought me back to consciousness, it took me years to understand it. but it was much more simple than my mind could understand at the time. Anyway much love and respect!

[cuitlahuac]

Hi Amzer. I would like to say that there is a very broad spectrum of "walk-outs". There is the latest big ones, Mark Rathbun and the Flag ex-commanding officer, but I would have to say they were not facing up and chalenging the tyranical rule of Miscavige and its zombie staff. I did chalenge them since the early 80's and I was quickly dismissed. So, I would not consider Mark and others like him much trustworthy. But the emphasis is here on the techniques.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
For the "new wave" of walk-outs establishing themselves as "Indies" or "Independents" and joining Ron's Org and the Freezoners in their "efforts" (not so much efforts anymore since Miscavige doesn't have a foot left to shoot) to spread Ron's "tech" in their vicinity:

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/

On the right hand side there is a blogroll of independents.

Marty himself, as well as his wife Monique AKA "Mosey" are auditors sticking to the original tech and approach to life.

[gnostic9]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Well! There's no harm in being ambitious.

The thread title is a [bit of a] joke. My intention here is to lay some basic principles out clearly -- in terms of what is and what isn't. It's intended to be a kind of A-B-C-1-2-3. Any criticisms of what this is all about can go on to another thread. My purpose here is to explain stuff so that the critics are at least well-informed.



This is about pragmatism. It's about what works: tools that are available for use. And, if this is appreciated, I'd quite like to share my personal experience, which is fairly extensive.

For reasons which I hope members and visitors alike will respect, I've always thus far kept this pretty much all compartmentalized from my work and my mission. That's because the mission is more important, and the topic of discussion here is ONLY about a set of tools that can assist one in tackling one's mission more effectively.

In the pages that follow I'll no doubt say that over and over again. This is about a set of tools which work. They really do, when used in ethical and skilled hands.

And you don't have to use them. There are many others. But some of you may be waiting for this information, and it would be small for me to withhold it all merely because I was concerned about the reception from detractors. This stuff can transform your life. (And, again, so can many other sets of tools. Make your choice: you're a free being.)

I undertake to you that I will tell the truth, will not distort anything, state clearly if there's something that *I* don't know or don't fully understand. So here goes.

***

I have never been in the Church of Scientology, and am considered by them to be one of their enemies. I went there, in London, back in 1984 for a couple of weeks for some "Book One" auditing. (This was after I had done Werner Erhard's est Training, and was driven to discover where all of Erhard's extraordinarily powerful techniques came from. It was almost all scientology.)

"Book One" auditing is basic 1950-style auditing, based on Hubbard's seminal book, Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health. I can post it later in PDF format. There was no meter involved. The book was designed to enable "Mr and Mrs Everyman" to 'audit' each other with no reliance on any organization.

The Organization came later, after Hubbard was inundated with questions and requests for further information. He founded scientology (literally: "the science of knowing how to know") as protection from the American Medical Association, who wanted to hang Hubbard from the highest tree for "practicing psychotherapy without a license".

Hubbard was also loudly critical of psychiatric techniques and drug prescription, and so earned himself few friends in Washington. The 'Church' was never a religious organization. It was just a protective device. Jim Humble (also a ex-scientologist), the inventor of MMS, is doing exactly the same thing now, and calls himself a Bishop. Humble, like Hubbard, was just intent on not ending up in jail.

Back to my personal experience. I had 40 hours of "Book One Auditing", and was mightily impressed, It cut through my life junk like a knife through butter. And then when I looked around me, saw the 'Church' environment and the quality of the people involved, I realized straight away that something was badly wrong.

As synchronicity would have it, I immediately met someone who had left the Church who told me about the 'Free Zone', and explained about the takeover a few years earlier. All was explained. After that I never returned, and never looked back.

I opened up my past lives, cleared the backlog of charge from this-lifetime upsets, and started to develop my suppressed abilities. The principle here is one of "negative gain". One removes emotional charge, like scrubbing burned food off a dirty pan, and underneath -- guess what! -- it's all bright and shiny.

The abilities were there all along, but were suppressed underneath the mountain of collected stuff. All of that is the by-product of incomplete business.

I discovered for myself the following:

We humans are all in a 'fallen state'. Long, long ago, we all used to -- as beings -- be gods, as it were: creators, manifesters, dolphins playing together joyfully in the universal sea. As we accumulated more and more unfinished business --- basically, things that we'd not taken responsibility for and never cleaned up -- we 'solidified' until we can no longer remember who we are or the way things once were. And we've all been around for WAY longer than the 'Big Bang'.

Auditing, which is a simple, structured, question-and-answer process ('auditing' simply means 'listening'), removes this 'emotional charge', and these blocks. Gradually -- in most cases, over a period of years -- one starts to remember and recover who one really is.

Nothing is judged or evaluated by the auditor (or should be). One's realizations are all one's own. The sovereignty of one's experience is (or should be) paramount.

The e-meter is a tool, like a pendulum but far more exact, that assists the auditor in locating areas of 'available' charge. In itself it does nothing. The meter is not even necessary, but it does help the auditor to locate 'stuff' more precisely.

There's a kind of sequence involved. At first, in the earliest stages of auditing, in most cases one is focused on one's life as a human being: issues with family, work, the usual things that people might talk to a counselor about.

But as these problems get handled, one's attention almost always goes on to larger and deeper issues: Who am I? Where did I come from? What am I doing here on Planet Earth? What is my personal mission? How can I best help others?

As one progresses, cleans more and more layers of charge off, and rehabilitates lost abilities, one acquires tools (which in other situations might be called 'white-magical' or 'good-shamanic') which enable one to assist others remotely at a distance.

These are not mysterious in any way, but are part of our lost birthright. We can all do this stuff. What one also realizes when these states are reached are that the same tools are used for evil purposes by those with dark agendas -- and have been for thousands of years here on this planet.

In that manner, the whole issue then becomes transformed from "How can I help myself so that life doesn't hurt so much?" to "How can I help defeat the forces of evil that are destroying the planet?"

Back to Hubbard. I never knew him (he was way before my time), but I did know 'Captain' Bill Robertson -- known as 'Captain Bill' or 'CBR' to his friends. CBR was a remarkable, totally ethical, and very powerful man. He twice wrote down the winning German lottery numbers, but refused to buy a ticket as he insisted that it would be unethical to use his abilities in that way. He had a huge presence, and was a natural leader and inspirer.

CBR left the Church in 1982, as part of the great exodus that was partly precipitated by Dane Tops. (Read his interview transcript here.) CBR moved to Europe, founded what he called "Ron's Org" in 1984, and with another ex-Church and highly trained auditor, Ulrich Kramer, researched a number of missing techniques that LRH had either never discovered, or never made public. Those techniques opened the door to a great number of people to develop themselves in ways that they had never believed possible.

I myself connected with Ron's Org in 1988, and it was immediately obvious to me that this was the 'way out'. Now, Ron's Org primarily exists in Europe and Russia (astonishingly to many, there are more highly trained and able Ron's Org scientologists in Russia than anywhere else), though there are small groups of very highly trained people in America and South Africa. I know many of them personally. Some of them are the highest quality and most able human beings it has ever been my privilege to know.

Hubbard (LRH) was clearly a flawed man -- and many great people are. I am not qualified to judge him as a person or as a family man: only assess his legacy. My consideration of his legacy does not include the Church itself, which grew to became a huge aberration.

Hubbard's techniques -- the basics of which he mainly developed in the first few years of the 1950s, when he was at his most intuitively brilliant -- work, and can sometimes work miraculously. They take training and dedication to apply: but then (ask any Buddhist!), so do many other spiritual disciplines.

I'll pause here, and welcome all and any questions. I'll undertake to answer them all as best I can. I can maybe help interpret some (but not all!) of the story that Jim is trying to recount, and will do my best, bearing in mind that any interpretation of Jim's experience may not be fully correct. (I do not know him personally, but feel -- as do many others -- that he's trying to tell us something important. Don't throw away the mud without sifting it through for diamonds first.)

wow Bill This is extrrodinary to in corparate. we all have inarticulate expieriencres. **** it happens to all ex-patients/ blessed be those that know!