Pope's PEACE DOVES attacked !

[Bob]

BBC reports that the Peace Doves released by the Pope were "attacked" by a Crow and a Seagull

There are many different interpretations of what the totem of the Crow and the Seagull mean..

Earlier we had talked about what the prophecy of the death of Sharon's body would be, the significance of the two blood red moons, and the death of two world leaders.. Others have asked in the thread, who will be the other "leader" ?

"A seagull and a crow swept down on the doves after they were set free from the Apostolic Palace during the Pope's weekly Angelus prayer.

"Tens of thousands of people watched as one dove struggled to break free.

"But the crow pecked repeatedly at the other dove. It is not clear what happened to the doves that flew away."

ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25905108

Some interpretations:
Crow
"Crow:
Crow is a harbinger of change; spiritual, mental and emotional. Life, death, rebirth, transition magic, watchfulness, look for opportunities coming up, aids in ability to move spiritually and physically. They teach the power and balance of light/dark and spiritual/physical. He teaches to create and manifest things in our lives, all of life is waiting. Crow announces a newness on the horizon. Are you aware of the nuances in life? Are you listening to signs around you? Crow can give strength and show you how to maneuver in intuitions and insights."

Dove
"Doves:
Messenger of Peace, love, joy and gentleness, prophecy of good things, maternity instincts, awakening to promise of future with clarity. Dove shows us how to walk between the physical and spiritual world. She aids in tapping our creative energies and stirring the emotions. It is time for creativity and expressing oneself. Are you listening to the messages at this time? Doves bring hope of a new beginning and will show there is peace arriving. Pigeon shows how to bring peace, love and understanding to situations and teaches us the art of communication and cooperation. Are you compassionate toward others? Perhaps it is a time for forgiveness? It is a time to express appreciation and gratitude of brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles and parents for family brings us unconditional sense of belonging. Dove teaches many lessons of home: love, security, fertility and family."

SeaGull
"Seagull:
Seagulls are spiritual messengers that demonstrate that a higher communication with guides is taking place. He shows how to see above situations with a higher clarity and teaches that there are many perspectives to consider. Seagull shows a sense friendship and community and the cooperation that is needed for the whole to operate successfully. He teaches how to ride the currents of the mental, emotional and physical worlds. Are you going with the flow or fighting it? Are you cooperating with others? Are you open to your guides? Seagull can teach you many lessons of looking, living and being. It is time to listen and watch for the nuances and timing of action."

from http://www.starstuffs.com/animal_tot...y_of_birds.htm

Anyone want to venture an interpretation of what does that mean?

Any different interpretations of the Dove, Seagull and Crow?

This is the Forum thread post link to Two Blood Moons -
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post779518 and a relevant section about what prophecy was made re: Sharon..

[jagman]

It could possibly mean that shat is about to hit the proverbial fan...
It's funny that Peter the Roman is releasing peace doves.
He is the one that will usher in the Dark Lord.

[SilentFeathers]

The animal medicine is important, but, I think the way this happened and location, people involved etc is important too; especially considering two children tossing the doves, the big man of the Vatican standing between them......this was surely an omen in my opinion, a harbinger.

A jesuit priest, now pope, in the middle of a boy and girl (after years of child sexual abuse involved with the Catholic Church) leading a ceremony of peace that turns ugly?????? Does the doves represent the children and the crow and seagul represent the black and white pope? who knows.....

Several interpretations are possible, none that can really be beneficial and beautiful in my opinion.

[Hip Hipnotist]

If I were a crow or seagull and looking for a meal those pure white doves pretty much thrown in my mouth would not be coming home in one piece ( or is it peace? )

That's my interpretation of what it means. ;-))

[SilentFeathers]

I agree a hungry gull and crow (nature) has much to do with this, but personally I see much more.

[Tangri]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
The animal medicine is important, but, I think the way this happened and location, people involved etc is important too; especially considering two children tossing the doves, the big man of the Vatican standing between them......this was surely an omen in my opinion, a harbinger.

A jesuit priest, now pope, in the middle of a boy and girl (after years of child sexual abuse involved with the Catholic Church) leading a ceremony of peace that turns ugly?????? Does the doves represent the children and the crow and seagul represent the black and white pope? who knows.....

Several interpretations are possible, none that can really be beneficial and beautiful in my opinion.

What about this interpretation?

Peace can not be establish with lies and sins. Before offering peace you have to be come clean from all your sins, otherwise your other creation(sin) will destroy your lies.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H3D6iEB-I18

[SilentFeathers]

I reckon this dove attack is not as morbid as sacrificing and butchering a lamb on the front steps of the church......

[SilentFeathers]

Just some more medicine/meanings;

Sea Gulls are messengers from the gods, especially ancient Celtic deities. They bridge the gap between the living world and the spirit world. Opening yourself to their energy enables you to communicate with the other side.

Crow is the left-handed guardian. Crow knows the unknowable mysteries of creation and is the keeper of all sacred law. Crow medicine signifies a firsthand knowledge of a higher order of right and wrong than that indicated by the laws created in human culture.

Historically, dove symbolism is associated with several mother figures:
The Mother Mary in Christian legend (care, devotion, purity and peace)
Ishtar in Assyrian culture (promise of hope and salvation)
Aphrodite and Venus (viewing the soul or a sense of higher love)
Also, the dove represents peace, prophecy, and the Dove shows and reveals the veils between the spiritual and physical worlds.

Also:

Pope named after Francis of Assisi heralded by gull atop Sistine chimney
Newly appointed pontiff Jorge Mario Bergoglio takes name of Catholic friar portrayed as nature lover – and preacher to birds

David Batty
The Guardian, Wednesday 13 March 2013 17.05 EDT

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...eagull-sistine

[Nanoo Nanoo]

Of the 3 arms , Holy See , 2 shall fall by the end of 2015 ... in it will be a change on the blade of a dual edged sword.

None can see

Naniu

[Shezbeth]

Bravo, some excellent analyses of the scenario. I'm particularly impressed by the observation of the young boy and young girl flanking the potentate and releasing the doves, as I am sure there were some metaphysicians in the 'wings' (ha!) who were scripting the intended symbolism of the event. That the crow and seagull decided to 'throw salt' on the event is both loaded with symbolism and (IMO) hilarious. That both the crow and the seagull are largely a scavenging species is notable as is the incident a testament to the fallibility of human artifice in the face of natural forces beyond their control.

This is a wonderful display of a (mostly) natural phenomenon with significant philosophical, metaphysical, shamanic, intrinsic, etc. allegory and perceivable meaning. The examples and interpretations are nearly endless, and I greatly appreciate the OP and the subsequent responses.

Edit: Also note the colors worn by the participants,....

[SilentFeathers]

Accompanied by two children, Pope Benedict XVI stood before the crowds and released the first dove into St. Peter’s Square. Slightly disoriented, the bird eventually succeeded in flying up to a ledge above the Pontiff’s window.

The second bird was not so lucky. Soon after it had landed on a ledge below the window, it was attacked by a seagull

Read more: Pope Benedict's Dove of Peace Attacked by Vicious Seagull | TIME.com http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/29/...#ixzz2rYkMqi1g

Seems its happened before....(a year ago)

[Bob]

Another image

[GreenGuy]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
Bravo, some excellent analyses of the scenario. I'm particularly impressed by the observation of the young boy and young girl flanking the potentate and releasing the doves, as I am sure there were some metaphysicians in the 'wings' (ha!) who were scripting the intended symbolism of the event. That the crow and seagull decided to 'throw salt' on the event is both loaded with symbolism and (IMO) hilarious. That both the crow and the seagull are largely a scavenging species is notable as is the incident a testament to the fallibility of human artifice in the face of natural forces beyond their control.

This is a wonderful display of a (mostly) natural phenomenon with significant philosophical, metaphysical, shamanic, intrinsic, etc. allegory and perceivable meaning. The examples and interpretations are nearly endless, and I greatly appreciate the OP and the subsequent responses.

Edit: Also note the colors worn by the participants,....

Yeah. I couldna said anything better than that.

[DNA]

My interpretation is this

"The world is no longer accepting your message as innocence and peace, the world is recognizing what is really coming out of the Catholic church and disecting it for what it really is."
My further interpretation would be
"The guise of spiritual peace will not save you from the worlds need to satiate and exact it's revenge."

But don't quote me or anything, I'm just spit balling here.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QlY8spYd1zg

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Last year or year before, there was a triple bird strike phenomenon on the same day, involving Biden, Hillary, and Obama, in 3 separate planes.
I considered this an act of God.

During a RV session the month prior, I'd made an image of a hawk releasing a banner from its wings, with serpents (striking!) descending from the feathers of the wings,
lightning and a hole in the clouds issuing from above the hawk and banner... very creepy image. "Bird strike" is what it seems to shout.



This is a very strange omen -- I do believe in animal totems and medicine, because two years ago, again, I heard from what I thought was Blue Corn Woman and White Buffalo Calf woman, perhaps something to do with the drought, corn failure, and recent trouble feeding US cattle! (they didn't have enough corn to feed them properly). One of the messages I thought I'd gotten from these entities was about blue corn itself, because it is drought resistant. Blue Corn woman is sad that we waste her gifts in favor of GMO corn that provides no nutrition and cannot tolerate the changes and the heat.





Some of my most detailed and powerful RV sessions were in the direct context of interactions with birds, or in the proximity of ravens and crows, etc.

I do consider them to be important in terms of being able to sense what is happening or about to happen.

many cultures revere birds as messengers.

in the Bible, crows and ravens, among other birds, provided food for the prophets when they hid in the wilderness.
Food has more than one meaning in the Bible.. bread is also spiritual food for thought as well as real food.

"Man may not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the Mouth of God".

"The shall rise up with wings as eagles, and renew their strength".

"I bring not peace but a sword".

Yahoo has removed the bird strike phenom story:

http://news.yahoo.com/bird-strikes-h...-politics.html

even though it's painted over, never ever forget about the DIA murals:







p.s. I just had a weird synchronicity, my spouse and I were talking about DIA, and I said, "you know how some Mason fiction involves speaking to the dead", and when I said that, the lights in the kitchen flickered violently. Didn't happen twice.

[enfoldedblue]

Isn't the release of doves to freedom just an illusion? Aren't the doves trained (programmed) to fly back to their captivity? I don't know much about this, but I imagine they would be trained similarly to homing pigeons who fly back to their designated roosting area. The image of birds being released from their imprisonment into an expansive world of hope and freedom is in reality just a trick. If this is the case then I think it would be beneficial to take the dimension of false/illusory symbol of peace and freedom into the analysis.

[SilentFeathers]

It's quite interesting how the Pope, the Vatican, has two children toss and sacrifice the "tamed" doves which wouldn't have a chance to survive in the elements anyways.

Sometimes things are not as they appear to be......

Sacrificing white doves makes a bit more sense......releasing them is a death sentence to them regardless if a gull or crow kills them.

[jackovesk]

Now, should or could I read into this (Dove-Attack) as a (Sign) or simply an everyday coincidence...

I saw this in the papers last night and saved the story so I could post a thread on it today, I am glad you beat me to it Bobd...

Good to see...

Now getting back to rationalizing whether or not it was a (Sign) or (Coincidence)...???

Let me share with you something I use everyday when trying to make such a decision. Remote Viewing has taught me just 1 (Important-Thing)...

Trust the 1st Impression that comes to mind i.e. Don't think about, Don't discard it, go with what your Gut/Intuition is telling you...

The 1st non-judgemental thought that came to mind was that it was a....

SIGN...

A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...

The (Never-Ending COVERUPS) are being "Exposed" more frequently as we see the collective (Human Consciousness) come to the fore in the (Spiritual Battle) between (Good vs Evil)...

Long GONE are the days where these (EVIL SCUMBAGS) continually get away with it..!

The (Conscious Humanity Mindshift) towards the TRUTH, has been going on for sometime as most of you know...

...and Finally we are starting to get some Answers...

DOVES the Messengers of Peace, Love & Joy have been for Centuries (ABUSED) symbolically by the very people who (Stand Against) their very message...!

What you are now witnessing (1st Hand) is Humanities (Collective Consciousness) transferring into Spiritual form to finally 'Expose' and rid ourselves of the (Lies & Deception) that has enslaved mankind for millennium..!

Stay (Strong) stay (Vigilant) stay (Focused on the TRUTH) and (NEVER "EVER" GIVE IN) to the (CHARADE) of Control..!

Thankyou Mr. Seagull & Mr.Crow...

[johnf]

Well it seems like the pope, as well as those who helped plan this, wanted symbolism, they certainly got it!

Surface posturings for peace on the part of one of the chief figureheads of a system of rigid control,

are met with violence.

Although I think this year holds good promise for the extreme polarization of mankind against various parts of itself to give way in a big way, it will probably have a lot of contentiousness, and mud slinging still involved.

This ceremony happened at a time when more and more scandals are being brought out into the open over the last several months.

The role of the United States as prosecuter, excecutioner, and shadow rebel rouser around the world (allways in the interests of rigid economic control)has come more and more out into the open.


Peace will never occurr until people have called in a clear and strong voice consistently over a long period of for
an extended length of time, for actual consequences for all concerned to be considered and dealt with.

Peace will never occur until the present human institutions that have kept world citizens at each others throats so that the ruling class can exist in luxury, have been dismantled.

Nature will triumph over artificial human systems.

Mankind will pick itself to pieces until it has remembered it's own source, and the natural law that allowed it to be created.

I saw this several hours ago, so the symbols have had time to bubble in deep, and come slowly back to the surface.

The person who first posted these pictures asked bad omen?

I think it is a very real, beautiful and good omen.

This little event will be a good one to look back one a year or two from now.

I think it will be clearer to more people how futile it is to hold onto old ideas ,institutions, and symbols of
"authority".


john

[Bob]

Have you seen this Crest?

and this is from today's attack

the top image is the Crest of the OTO (http://oto-usa.org/) - "The letters O.T.O. stand for Ordo Templi Orientis, the Order of Oriental Templars, or Order of the Temple of the East. " from the OTO webpage