Pope's PEACE DOVES attacked !

[Shezbeth]

Additional excellent points on the matter! We're talking about trained (read domesticated, indoctrinated, etc.) birds vs. wild (read natural, unrestrained, primeval, etc.) birds in an entirely artificial event that was co-opted by natural entities! The further I go with the extrospection (significantly and gratefully aided by the many wonderful perspectives expressed) the more excited and enthusiastic I find myself!

One of my recent favorite thread topics!

[jackovesk]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
Additional excellent points on the matter! We're talking about trained (read domesticated, indoctrinated, etc.) birds vs. wild (read natural, unrestrained, primeval, etc.) birds in an entirely artificial event that was co-opted by natural entities! The further I go with the extrospection (significantly and gratefully aided by the many wonderful perspectives expressed) the more excited and enthusiastic I find myself!

One of my recent favorite thread topics!

More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...

[SilentFeathers]

The "inverted dove" would mean, well, the opposite of peace....which is war/destruction.

The tarot card with the inverted dove is interesting symbolically too and possibly can relate to this event/thread topic.



ACE OF CUPS

EMOTIONAL FORCE
INTUITION
INTIMACY
LOVE

The Ace of Cups shows is a symbol of possibility in the area of deep feelings, intimacy, attunement, compassion and love. In readings, it shows that a seed of emotional awareness has been planted in your life although you may not yet recognize it. When the seed sprouts, it could take almost any form. It might be an attraction, strong feeling, intuitive knowing, or sympathetic reaction. On the outside, it could be an offer, gift, opportunity, encounter or synchronistic event.

also, this is strange too....

[SilentFeathers]

This is rather interesting....

Several passages of the Torah (especially Leviticus) specify occasions that require the sacrifice of two doves (or young pigeons)—either as a guilt offering or to purify oneself after a period of ritual impurity (including the birth of a child). Several columbaria, or dovecotes, have been excavated in the City of David and the Jerusalem environs. These towers were undoubtedly used to raise doves for sacrificial offerings, as well as for the meat and fertilizer they provided—a popular practice in the Hellenistic and Roman periods that continued into the modern period.

The Gospel of Luke says that Mary and Joseph sacrificed two doves at the Temple following the birth of Jesus, as was prescribed in the law mentioned above (Luke 2:24).

Source:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...lism-of-doves/

[Bob]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
This is rather interesting....

Several passages of the Torah (especially Leviticus) specify occasions that require the sacrifice of two doves (or young pigeons)—either as a guilt offering or to purify oneself after a period of ritual impurity (including the birth of a child). Several columbaria, or dovecotes, have been excavated in the City of David and the Jerusalem environs. These towers were undoubtedly used to raise doves for sacrificial offerings, as well as for the meat and fertilizer they provided—a popular practice in the Hellenistic and Roman periods that continued into the modern period.

The Gospel of Luke says that Mary and Joseph sacrificed two doves at the Temple following the birth of Jesus, as was prescribed in the law mentioned above (Luke 2:24).

Source:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/d...lism-of-doves/

Looks interesting folks, onto something it appears..

[Bob]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)
Additional excellent points on the matter! We're talking about trained (read domesticated, indoctrinated, etc.) birds vs. wild (read natural, unrestrained, primeval, etc.) birds in an entirely artificial event that was co-opted by natural entities! The further I go with the extrospection (significantly and gratefully aided by the many wonderful perspectives expressed) the more excited and enthusiastic I find myself!

One of my recent favorite thread topics!

More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...

yup - let's see where it could go

[Bob]

Of course it is just an accidental partial "wave" from the child on the Pope's right (the boy), his hand is positioned as thus:

(this is from the OP first post)

That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..

[Azt]

I think this is interesting and probably there is a message behind it. Rome/Vatican is full of doves on the streets (too many actually) so a Crow and a Seagull would not have problem to find lunch in other places around the town. But to struck like that it seems they were released too in a parallel event happening near by at the same time. Black pope ? Weird to say the least.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Not to offend the gentlemen, but the OTO logo and the dove/cup seem to have many people enchanted.
The INCUBUS "light grenades" cover is of similar theme.

Aleister Crowley believed sexual (and drug assisted sex) experience to be the highest aspiration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema

In the Renaissance, a character named "Thelemia" represents will or desire in the Hypnerotomachia Poliphili of the Dominican monk Francesco Colonna. The protagonist Poliphilo has two allegorical guides, Logistica (reason) and Thelemia (will or desire). When forced to choose, he chooses fulfillment of his sexual will over logic.[14] Colonna's work was a great influence on the Franciscan monk François Rabelais, who in the 16th century, used Thélème, the French form of the word, as the name of a fictional abbey in his novels, Gargantua and Pantagruel.[15] The only rule of this Abbey was "fay çe que vouldras" ("Fais ce que tu veux", or, "Do what thou wilt"). In the mid-18th century, Sir Francis Dashwood inscribed the adage on a doorway of his abbey at Medmenham,[16] where it served as the motto of The Hellfire Club.[16] Rabelais' Abbey of Thelema has been referred to by later writers Sir Walter Besant and James Rice, in their novel The Monks of Thelema (1878), and C.R. Ashbee in his utopian romance The Building of Thelema (1910).

Therefore having as many offspring as possible (whether one cares about them or not) (maybe spiritual offspring as well, or devotees) and as many sexual partners as possible was of great importance to him as a Satanist

The Revelation of John mentions a "Whore" who does business with many Kings and Powers.
Many speculate as to the nature of the whore. The truth is that the powers that be contest with one another for supremacy for the title.
She who sits on many waters, drinking the blood of innocents from the golden cup.

You know of what I speak...



There is a power behind every throne, just like Quentin Tarantino tried to point out in HERO.
You know it by its fruit and whether it thrives in light or darkness.

It would seem that in spite of even the best intentions, the World Tree of our time has been tended in much darkness.
the Nations will be cast into turmoil like dead leaves in a storm. If things can't change quickly.



And why is the World Tree in such danger?

"For the Love of Money is the Root of All Kinds of Evil"
~ The holy book


also

Revelation 17: 6-18

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.



And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.



And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.



And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!



For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,



On Ragnarok:

Near the Ases crowed Gullinkambi;

He awoke the heroes in the house of the

 Father of the Combatants;

But another cock crowed below the earth,

A black-red cock, in the dwelling of Hel.

Garm howls frightfully before Gnypahall.

The chains are going to break; Freki will escape:

She pauses much, the prophetess: I see from afar

The twilight of the Great Powers, the Fighting Gods.

Völuspá

Nor sound nor flame
Shall pierce the night
That settles on the deep.
Nor echoes of
Their desperate fight
Shall trace the gods in sleep.
The howling wind of space
Will find no ear
To hear its mock.
The end
Has claimed the race
With the start of Ragnarok.

http://www.theosophytrust.org/660-ragnarok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6lusp%C3%A1



"Yggdrasil trembles, the towering ash
Groans in woe; the wolf is loose:
Odhinn speaks with the head of Mimir
Before he is swallowed by Surt's kin.

...

Now rides the Strong One to Rainbow Door,
Powerful from heaven, the All-Ruler:
From the depths below a drake comes flying
The dark dragon from Darkfell,
Bears on his pinions the bodies of men,
Soars overhead I sink now."

The Rainbow Bridge and Heimdallr:

"In Norse mythology, Heimdallr is a god who possesses the resounding horn Gjallarhorn, owns the golden-maned horse Gulltoppr, has gold teeth, and is the son of Nine Mothers. Heimdallr is attested as possessing foreknowledge, keen eyesight and hearing, is described as "the whitest of the gods", and keeps watch for the onset of Ragnarök while drinking fine mead in his dwelling Himinbjörg, located where the burning rainbow bridge Bifröst meets heaven. Heimdallr is said to be the originator of social classes among humanity and once regained Freyja's treasured possession Brísingamen while doing battle in the shape of a seal with Loki. Heimdallr and Loki are foretold to kill one another during the events of Ragnarök. Heimdallr is additionally referred to as Hallinskiði, Gullintanni, and Vindlér or Vindhlér.

Heimdallr is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional material; in the Prose Edda and Heimskringla, both written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson; in the poetry of skalds; and on an Old Norse runic inscription found in England. Two lines of an otherwise lost poem about the god, Heimdalargaldr, survive. Due to the problematic and enigmatic nature of these attestations, scholars have produced various theories about the nature of the god, including his apparent relation to rams, that he may be a personification of or connected to the world tree Yggdrasil, and potential Indo-European cognates."

[Shezbeth]

Posted by jackovesk (here)
More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...

I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...

Gladly. I was alluding to the many interpretations that can come of analyzing all the elements in this instance which are artificial, and all the elements which are natural. This assumes of course that the seagull and crow (S&C) were not in some way artificially induced which is improbable but not impossible.

One could liken the artificial proceedings of the church to the artificiality of domesticated doves. They both may look pretty and pristine, but are unrealistic and quite prey-able in contrast to real-world dispositions and considerations, the S&C.

It is funny that the children should be presented so, as though to imply that the youth is behind this man/organization, despite that the church has been most complicit in the perpetuation and coverup of child victimization.

That doves have been attacked during previous ceremonies, and that such things were not adequately prevented in this case could allude to the half-measures that seem to be put forth by the church in putting an end to such sexual (and worse) predation. In that case, the doves would represent the youth, the S&C representing the nefarious players in the church ready to descend upon them.

The colors the children are wearing and their positions on opposite sides could allude to the divine masculine and feminine pillars, yet their representatives are immature and otherwise unseasoned.

The domestication of the doves could represent the domestication of the church, its values and dispositions becoming increasingly distanced from the considerations of life outside the church. The vatican is its own sheltered environment from which its training and indoctrination seem sound. The S&C could then represent the inapplicability of the products of indoctrination when exposed to an unsheltered environment.

The more I think about it (and I have been for many hours!) the more it is like a kaleidoscope or an intricately faceted gem, where there seems to be endless ways of looking at it, each producing their own refraction or image.

Ultimately, I am struck by the impression that the Vatican participants had every intention of the ritual (did I say that, I meant 'ceremony' ^_~) producing a particular effect, appearance, disposition, and understanding. Crow (who is an old friend and one of my earliest sponsors) and Seagull decided to hijack the event and produce an entirely different dynamic that I find to be far more appropriate, amusing, accurate, and fitting.

Edit: Tesla,... wow that was awesome. Thank you for mentioning the whore ("of babylon" as she is sometimes referred), I hadn't thought of how to include that element, and the very much more that I hadn't even considered.

[G.Deluca]

after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

[Valle]

Posted by G.Deluca (here)
after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

I agree - this event was rigged - as was the lightening on the 11 February last year - And Ariel Sharon dead as it in a prophecy with the return of Christ. They are trying to use peoples superstition to gain power. So there could be strange things coming our way..(rigged).

And I dont like this.. as it is about child sacrifice:
"Pope Francis noted that there were many children in the Square and said his thoughts go to a three-year child, burnt to death by members of the Southern Italian Calabria mafia after his grandfather failed to pay a drug debt to mobsters."
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-appe...gue-in-ukraine

[jackovesk]

Posted by G.Deluca (here)
after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened

after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what christ said will come

I'm quite sure (if) Christ does come back..?

It'll give the Pope and his Pedophile Priests a chance to use their (PANIC-ROOM)...

The Roman Empire (Aftermath)



GOD says...

Fat lot of good that will do them...

...and

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TLfmEZYdtrY

[Hervé]

Check this thread's OP:

Eywa has had enough!

[SilentFeathers]

No one's really convinced me in this thread yet that this event wasn't anything other than a "sacrifice".....so I've made up my mind to it's symbolism.

I've come to the conclusion that this was a sacrifice....one can not expect two tame and domesticated doves to do anything but die being released to the elements and dangers outside of their cage.....the article should read: "Pope and children sacrifice two white doves".

Doves and turtle-doves were the only birds that could be offered in sacrifice, as they were clean according to the Mosaic law ( Genesis 15:9 ; Leviticus 5:7 ; 12:6 ; Luke 2:24 ).

[chocolate]

You know, they are reading this?! So they now know that you know.
[I am so sick of these ritualistic (see what Simon Parks says about the rituals with some non earthly creatures) abuse of power and of our attention]

Who were the two kids and who allowed them to do that?

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Bobd (here)
That is just a wave right? Anybody familiar with "hand signing" ? just asking, it could only be purely a wave..

The reporter points out at about the 42 second mark that "the girl just laughed". Coping mechanism? A few frames later, the boy makes hand gestures to the pope. I may be reading into this but the kids have matching sweatshirts with ACR Style logo. I’m not familiar with the brand.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VQ_JnOi4q7w

I YouTube searched “ACR music” and the "Assassin's Creed Revelations" first frame has the black and white theme. ACR music, by Monkey Triads

Assassin's Creed Revelations Full Soundtrack

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vfa52ha4LSA

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Who were the two kids

Damien and Carrie

[Bob]

Posted by 778 neighbour of some guy (here)

Who were the two kids

Damien and Carrie

I find it interesting that the boy child after releasing his bird would have to have changed his hand position to that "sign". That doesn't look like a wave to me. I did some looking at it sure looks like the malevolent benediction, "malediction" or satanic "as above" sign. Damien, ya maybe.. There is a lot of discussion on hand and gang signing, the use of the hand to convey a secret message to those "in the know"..

[Soda]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...nic-theft.html

Did you guys see this?