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    Quote Posted by Bobd (here)
    jak - https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post789494 - this is the OP

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...20791542-1.jpg - this is the image that BBC used in that article, as cited in the OP

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25905108 is the article that I cited and put in quotes.

    That is what shows what it shows. That is what this THREAD is using as the discussion points, what was shown is what was shown. Argue with BBC if you don't like what they posted. I just posted what was present in the BBC article.

    says REUTERs on the bottom of it, does not say it is from a movie, youtube or otherwise -
    This is the picture right...



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    1. IMHO - There is (NO) secret hand Signal...
    2. The Boys hand gestures remain the (same), even when he tries to 'high 5' the Pope after the Doves were set free...
    3. I wouldn't be surprised if the boy has some form of autism judging be his motor skills and mannerisms (only an observation)
    So, without boring myself and you to death...

    If you watch the video again, I'm sure you will agree...

    The is (No) Secret hand signal...

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    Now, should or could I read into this (Dove-Attack) as a (Sign) or simply an everyday coincidence...

    I saw this in the papers last night and saved the story so I could post a thread on it today, I am glad you beat me to it Bobd...

    Good to see...

    Now getting back to rationalizing whether or not it was a (Sign) or (Coincidence)...???

    Let me share with you something I use everyday when trying to make such a decision. Remote Viewing has taught me just 1 (Important-Thing)...

    Quote Trust the 1st Impression that comes to mind i.e. Don't think about, Don't discard it, go with what your Gut/Intuition is telling you...
    The 1st non-judgemental thought that came to mind was that it was a....

    SIGN...

    A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

    The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...

    The (Never-Ending COVERUPS) are being "Exposed" more frequently as we see the collective (Human Consciousness) come to the fore in the (Spiritual Battle) between (Good vs Evil)...

    Long GONE are the days where these (EVIL SCUMBAGS) continually get away with it..!

    The (Conscious Humanity Mindshift) towards the TRUTH, has been going on for sometime as most of you know...

    ...and Finally we are starting to get some Answers...

    DOVES the Messengers of Peace, Love & Joy have been for Centuries (ABUSED) symbolically by the very people who (Stand Against) their very message...!

    What you are now witnessing (1st Hand) is Humanities (Collective Consciousness) transferring into Spiritual form to finally 'Expose' and rid ourselves of the (Lies & Deception) that has enslaved mankind for millennium..!

    Quote Stay (Strong) stay (Vigilant) stay (Focused on the TRUTH) and (NEVER "EVER" GIVE IN) to the (CHARADE) of Control..!
    Thankyou Mr. Seagull & Mr.Crow...
    Jak - why don't you expand on what you were wanting to be getting to
    - what you wanted to say so we can all understand more please?

    I would appreciate that highly.

    Thank you so much.

    <<< note secret hand sign

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    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    Now, should or could I read into this (Dove-Attack) as a (Sign) or simply an everyday coincidence...

    I saw this in the papers last night and saved the story so I could post a thread on it today, I am glad you beat me to it Bobd...

    Good to see...

    Now getting back to rationalizing whether or not it was a (Sign) or (Coincidence)...???

    Let me share with you something I use everyday when trying to make such a decision. Remote Viewing has taught me just 1 (Important-Thing)...

    Quote Trust the 1st Impression that comes to mind i.e. Don't think about, Don't discard it, go with what your Gut/Intuition is telling you...
    The 1st non-judgemental thought that came to mind was that it was a....

    SIGN...

    A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

    The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...

    The (Never-Ending COVERUPS) are being "Exposed" more frequently as we see the collective (Human Consciousness) come to the fore in the (Spiritual Battle) between (Good vs Evil)...

    Long GONE are the days where these (EVIL SCUMBAGS) continually get away with it..!

    The (Conscious Humanity Mindshift) towards the TRUTH, has been going on for sometime as most of you know...

    ...and Finally we are starting to get some Answers...

    DOVES the Messengers of Peace, Love & Joy have been for Centuries (ABUSED) symbolically by the very people who (Stand Against) their very message...!

    What you are now witnessing (1st Hand) is Humanities (Collective Consciousness) transferring into Spiritual form to finally 'Expose' and rid ourselves of the (Lies & Deception) that has enslaved mankind for millennium..!

    Quote Stay (Strong) stay (Vigilant) stay (Focused on the TRUTH) and (NEVER "EVER" GIVE IN) to the (CHARADE) of Control..!
    Thankyou Mr. Seagull & Mr.Crow...
    Jak - why don't you expand on what you were wanting to be getting to
    - what you wanted to say so we can all understand more please?

    I would appreciate that highly.

    Thank you so much.

    <<< note secret hand sign
    My post 'above' depicts that I do believe it was some sort of Spritual 'Sign" with the Seagull & Crow attacking the Doves...

    However, as you can plainly see there was (No) mention of some Secret (Hand Signal) from the boy...

    The reason I brought the so called (Secret-Hand Signal) into question is because the clearly is (No) Secret Hand Signal to debate...

    So IMHO even suggesting there (may be) or (is) some sort or Secret (Hand Signal) is unsound and takes away from the (Credibility) of what started off as an excellent thread...

    Just sayin is all...

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    so dont worry about a secret hand signal that you don't see obviously.

    people will see or understand what they believe their gut tells them, as you point out to us.

    Show us where the points are that such motive is satanic, or sacrificial.

    What do they gain by using small children the way they do.

    Why was orchestrating an event of sacrifice of doves important to get attention?

    Those are some great discussion points to get into where you told us your thoughts, please elaborate on them.
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    The whole hand thing could be a fluke, either way, there is way more symbolism and weirdness to this event than a split second position of the fingers.....IMO the boys hand making that signal is probably unintentional on the boys part, but, very intentional on the demonic energies and forces at work here. A childs innocence is of the utmost importance to these creep parasites and abusers. Francis himself may be ignorant to some of the things going on deep in the bowels of the church and with many of the people he's surrounded by..........but I'm pretty sure he's being educated about the things he does not know about at a close to light speed rate. If there's any humanity in him, he's probably wishing he was back in Argentina.
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    The whole hand thing could be a fluke, either way, there is way more symbolism and weirdness to this event than a split second position of the fingers.....IMO the boys hand making that signal is probably unintentional on the boys part, but, very intentional on the demonic energies and forces at work here.

    A childs innocence is of the utmost importance to these creep parasites and abusers.

    Francis himself may be ignorant to some of the things going on deep in the bowels of the church and with many of the people he's surrounded by..........but I'm pretty sure he's being educated about the things he does not know about at a close to light speed rate.

    If there's any humanity in him, he's probably wishing he was back in Argentina.
    I agree - does anyone know what the logo on the shirt was about, is it some organization that sends these kids to events like this, sponsors? Maybe there is some answer in there.

    I wonder what the children would say afterwards about the birds he and she released? Do they even know, anyone able to follow up on that?

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    I tried to find something about their shirts earlier today and couldn't find anything.
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    I tried to find something about their shirts earlier today and couldn't find anything.
    How about throwing a 'Real Spanner' into the works (ACR Style)...


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    Valle - today, in Colorado a child in a School in WestMinister burnt themselves, using OIL, (not gasoline).. that event happened. Immolation, child burning themselves. Why? Child would not say why they were doing what they did - apparently still alive, but 80% of the body burnt. Coincidence? I just ask these questions, being observant and trusting my gut feelings, first impressions..

    Quote Posted by Valle (here)
    Quote Posted by G.Deluca (here)
    after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what Christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
    as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of Rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened
    I agree - this event was rigged - as was the lightening on the 11 February last year - And Ariel Sharon dead as it in a prophecy with the return of Christ.

    They are trying to use peoples superstition to gain power. So there could be strange things coming our way..(rigged).

    And I dont like this.. as it is about child sacrifice:

    "Pope Francis noted that there were many children in the Square and said his thoughts go to a three-year child, burnt to death by members of the Southern Italian Calabria mafia after his grandfather failed to pay a drug debt to mobsters."
    http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-appe...gue-in-ukraine

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    Jak - if you could get back on point, it should be helpful to the thread. You say you believe in the negativity happening:

    Quote A sign of where the Catholic Church/Vatican is today and where it is going..?

    The vein of Secrecy is being unearthed and the Truth of the Catholic Church/Vatican and its (EVIL Satanic Practices) are surfacing for (ALL) to see...
    If you can stay on topic I am sure the FORUM would appreciate it.

    If you have anything to say about your statement that you made that you say you wanted to explain, please clarify. Thanks so much.

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    Patterns and synchronicity is the theme of the day now-a-days......everything needs to be looked at and carefully considered. The forces at work are powerful and the universe speaks quite clearly to those that listen carefully.

    I know for a fact I've seen some beyond strange synchronicities recently that can not just be explained away regardless of how bizarre it seems.......the Elisa Lam - Lam Elisa (girl found in the LA water tank) is one example of bizarre I can think of right now.

    this dove/child/pope event is no different IMO......the smallest detail could actually mean the most......
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    Quote Posted by Shezbeth (here)
    Quote Posted by jackovesk (here)
    More info required, I didn't quite understand where you were going with this...

    I think I know what you were trying to say and would like to add some thoughts if we are on the same wavelength.

    This whole conversation is about to go way (Deeper) than you could ever imagine...
    Gladly. I was alluding to the many interpretations that can come of analyzing all the elements in this instance which are artificial, and all the elements which are natural. This assumes of course that the seagull and crow (S&C) were not in some way artificially induced which is improbable but not impossible.

    One could liken the artificial proceedings of the church to the artificiality of domesticated doves. They both may look pretty and pristine, but are unrealistic and quite prey-able in contrast to real-world dispositions and considerations, the S&C.

    It is funny that the children should be presented so, as though to imply that the youth is behind this man/organization, despite that the church has been most complicit in the perpetuation and coverup of child victimization.

    That doves have been attacked during previous ceremonies, and that such things were not adequately prevented in this case could allude to the half-measures that seem to be put forth by the church in putting an end to such sexual (and worse) predation. In that case, the doves would represent the youth, the S&C representing the nefarious players in the church ready to descend upon them.

    The colors the children are wearing and their positions on opposite sides could allude to the divine masculine and feminine pillars, yet their representatives are immature and otherwise unseasoned.

    The domestication of the doves could represent the domestication of the church, its values and dispositions becoming increasingly distanced from the considerations of life outside the church. The vatican is its own sheltered environment from which its training and indoctrination seem sound. The S&C could then represent the inapplicability of the products of indoctrination when exposed to an unsheltered environment.

    The more I think about it (and I have been for many hours!) the more it is like a kaleidoscope or an intricately faceted gem, where there seems to be endless ways of looking at it, each producing their own refraction or image.

    Ultimately, I am struck by the impression that the Vatican participants had every intention of the ritual (did I say that, I meant 'ceremony' ^_~) producing a particular effect, appearance, disposition, and understanding. Crow (who is an old friend and one of my earliest sponsors) and Seagull decided to hijack the event and produce an entirely different dynamic that I find to be far more appropriate, amusing, accurate, and fitting.

    Edit: Tesla,... wow that was awesome. Thank you for mentioning the whore ("of babylon" as she is sometimes referred), I hadn't thought of how to include that element, and the very much more that I hadn't even considered.
    Brilliant elaboration - thank you for sharing that with us.

    You mention the colors and somewhere in this thread there is mention of the initials on their shirts - the red and the blue. I referred to a thread started by Steve, about the statue of Baphomet with two children on either side, the girl apparently looking at the young boy, the boy looking up towards the elevated right hand sign that the statue has positioned. There has been mention of opposing spiritual influences - so trying then to identify what is what, and be observant, and trying to connect dots.

    What I don't understand and could use some help with, is why two young children of opposite sex, at the side of the authority figure (in both cases a spiritual significance).. In both cases, the children appear to be happy. (I don't see how anyone could be happy looking at a goat/horned beast sitting on a chair, but whatever, eh? Symbolically there would be something to that, right?)

    What is there supposed to be as far as significance's to that? The children standing next to the spiritual representatives...

    I think we are getting some understanding that the bird situation may not have been an innocent coincidence or accident.

    Anyone help on these Q's ?

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    True Mayans, recognize the 400 Days following the Calendar for celebration, which ended on the 25th of January the Following Day, one that is called "the new beginning"

    the Pope releases 2 doves and one is attacked, by a crow...

    which reminds me of Atticus and the 33...

    the central group controlling the world, attacked peace...

    hmmm...

    no signs there at all...

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    In my estimation - as mentioned - both the gender of the children and the colors allude to the divine masculine and feminine qualities inherent in humanity and in nature.

    Either case shows them situated around the respective potentate in a manner that suggests several things, the first being that the 'leader' is one who has unified the dualism of gender, both with the baphomet statue and the pope. In either case, the spiritual representative takes on a fatherly figure symbolism, as well as to imply that the masculine and feminine are subject to - children in the face of - the spiritual leader/teacher/god (aberrant IMO).

    I further intuit the suggestion that the children are active/willing participants, that it is safe/correct to do so (sort of an attempt at re-branding the particular group's image - they're happy to do it!) as both churches progress into the future hoping to inspire greater receptivity in the younger generations. The baphomet statue in particular is one that has alot of ground to cover in the mindset of the masses. In either case however, there seems the direct attempt to indicate figuratively that these are the rightful teachers of the pseudo every-boy and every-girl, particularly with the pope who to signify the validity of this impression they produce 'peace' in the form of the two doves.

    I'm going from memory so this last bit might be off, but bear with. As I recall the divine masculine is often represented with the color red, the feminine being blue, but these colors are in opposition to the respective child. You have a male representative wearing the colors of the divine female and a female representative wearing the colors of the divine male. I suppose this could be a subliminal encouraging or even en-spelling (ritualistically) an increasingly disparate relationship between gender identities that is being encouraged within males and females most visibly in the media; Divide and conquer, but in this case internally.

    Get 'em while they're young. Who said that? I believe it was the Jesuits.
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    I believe you have the clarity Shezbeth. Thanks for that. Is the concept of "the children" to be representative of purity and innocence? The sacrifice of children is ancient too (just checked through some history on that).. As are sacrifices of pure animals. To whom? for what? Power, favors, adoration?

    Therefore those competing would be competing to convince the children they are the "right" or appropriate "father figure", correct?

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    Interpretation of symbolism works the same whether the medium is metaphysics or literary works; I've read many books is all. ^_~

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    Quote Posted by Bobd (here)
    Valle - today, in Colorado a child in a School in WestMinister burnt themselves, using OIL, (not gasoline).. that event happened. Immolation, child burning themselves. Why? Child would not say why they were doing what they did - apparently still alive, but 80% of the body burnt. Coincidence? I just ask these questions, being observant and trusting my gut feelings, first impressions..

    Quote Posted by Valle (here)
    Quote Posted by G.Deluca (here)
    after the pope said that we are in the end of times and what Christ said will come i think that they are trying to fulfill the prophecy
    as a newspaper in italy pointed out ,there is a big increase of predators in the sky of Rome in these years,so it's not that strange what happened
    I agree - this event was rigged - as was the lightening on the 11 February last year - And Ariel Sharon dead as it in a prophecy with the return of Christ.

    They are trying to use peoples superstition to gain power. So there could be strange things coming our way..(rigged).

    And I dont like this.. as it is about child sacrifice:

    "Pope Francis noted that there were many children in the Square and said his thoughts go to a three-year child, burnt to death by members of the Southern Italian Calabria mafia after his grandfather failed to pay a drug debt to mobsters."
    http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-appe...gue-in-ukraine

    I had recently seen this intervju so I had the Vatican crimes in the top of my memory.

    thepeoplesvoice.tv: Birth Of A New Earth - Rev. Kevin Annett discusses Vatican Crimes & Child Rape

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    The raven attacks and kills pigeons by natural instinct and can devastate bird colonies to dominate the territory they are located.
    For some breeders of pigeons, the crows are a large concern.



    Here, a raven caught killing a pigeon: (contains scenes that some viewers may find disturbing)



    Some species of gulls are quite aggressive and defend their territory against all intruders, including humans, darting flying low over it. An interesting feature of these birds is that they can migrate to the Arctic during the Antarctic winter.
    Perhaps we can also include the fact that these species are in direct confrontation by territorial or food issues.



    Also, there is some facts in youtube (contains scenes that some viewers may find disturbing)




    In fact, on these "satanic days", events like this suggest something darker than an episode of National Geographic ....
    My two cents

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    Okay, after sleeping on it (I had another...hm...heartbreaking revelation that has nothing to do with this), but I think I see this one also more clearly.

    Bobd, you know I have great respect for your wisdom?!
    Jacko is also dear to me.

    But this is only me speaking now:
    there was a presentation of ritual sacrifice, done by the divinity in man. (It made me sick to my stomach. Next time I see the pope I will thr*w up).
    I think we are too much looking for secret gestures while it is done in a more obvious way. I see a hand and yes, it might have a secret message, but in the current situation I doubt it.

    Everything mentioned in the thread about the ritual, the hidden message behind it, the children and the colors of their clothing, everything for me is valid.

    I also agree they are using the natural predisposition of having crows and seagulls around.

    Now, after I just wrote this, I saw it as a final desperate gesture of a weakened and sick man (religion) on its death bed. I don't know, but I also sense a bit of sadness in me.

    Just occurred to me:
    The dove represents peace, but also love, and innocence. Adam And Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden when they tasted the fruit of knowledge , they lost their innocence ...

    We have been eating from that tree of knowledge on the forum for a very long time. Overall mankind has had a lot of knowledge brought forward in the last few years if not decades.

    I know it would be a stretch of the imagination to think of the (Vatican) religion as something that represents and cultivates innocence and love, but in the broader perspective religion is supposed to be doing just that, reminding mankind of the divinity in him.
    Those (sick) people might have just shown that in their bloody message.

    One of my neighbors takes care of doves, just across the street. I love waking up to the voices of (my) doves. Everyone that sacrifices doves will leave my hart and all the love in it.
    end of rant.
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