The rise of the Police State

[Frank V]

I apologize if there is already a thread which relates to this subject - I'm still trying to find my way around the forum, and there are just too many threads to wade through - but according to an article I read on Slashdot tonight, it isn't just the USA which is becoming a police state. Quite evidently, the EU is just as guilty...

"A secretive EU body has agreed to develop a device to be fitted to all cars allowing police to cut off any engine at will, it emerged today. The device, which could be imposed within a decade, would also allow police to track a vehicle's movements as well as immobilise it. According to The Daily Telegraph a group of senior EU officials, including several Home Office mandarins, have signed off the proposal at a secret meeting in Brussels."

The above, given that it was quite evidently a secret meeting and a secretive EU body, in combination with the ever-growing abuse of power by the people in uniform is quite evidential of malicious intent. Add to that the fact that many people - myself included - see the European Union in its present form as a cleverly disguised reiteration of Hitler's Third Reich, and fascism is already no longer lurking around the corner. It's right here at our doorstep.

I think it's time for some mass civil disobedience. The problem however is that this kind of news can only be found in some alternative news media outlets like Slashdot and maybe one or two mainstream newspapers, while the bulk of the masses remain blissfully ignorant of it all. And when it does eventually come out to the surface, there will undoubtedly lots of very clever spin-doctoring and propaganda from several political parties and pressure groups to justify this and other Orwellian measures, and the masses will gladly accept it all, because "it is in the best interest of society".

There are times when the inertia of the masses really frustrates me. This is one of them. Grrrr...!

Note : If this post would be more at home in another area of the forum, then I would welcome the initiative of the moderators and/or administrators to move this post to a thread where it better belongs.

[korgh]

I agree in each word you said.
I live in Europe, and this is not the Europe that i recognize and ever i dreamed to live.
There is passivity in the people and they are living just to obey and to work more and more loosing their rights day by day. We are controlled by rfids wherever we go and the state police has more power than ever.. Here, in europe, you can be tracked all the time: in your car, when you go to shop or even just walk on the streets.. They know who you are, what you eat, consume, your bills, what you watch and "maybe" whats going on in your head.. No, this is not about paranoid. This can easily be proved. We must stop with this inertia. is morbid!
These problems are not only in Europe but is a global issue. The Cabal plan.
We need a revolution, we need to think clear and take action soon. The time is running out for all of us.
My main concern is about my children and i dont see a shiny morning for them this way.



Salut and stay safe bro

[budicca]

UK gagging order was passed through this week so we're not allowed to protest or to tell a truth. Not that i want violent protests or harsh words spoken i'm above their mentality its hard to know what we can do in order for all this negativity to vanish and harmony to find its rightful place x namaste x

[Hervé]

In my neck of the woods:

Loss of internet privacy made official in France

Look who's paranoid now!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5G0kn_uPauM

[korgh]

i'm afraid that even the borders will be closed sooner than we can realize.
it would be a nice way to apply the hidden side of schengen agreement..
i'm speechless...

[GreenGuy]

"Little hope for salvage."

Man tased, arrested, put on trial for arguing with wife

He was acquitted by a hung jury - six to six. Half the jury saw nothing wrong with the police conduct. Nobody is safe.

[Carmody]

All these rules and overbearing systems of control, enacted in this sprawling mess; all it does is create the room for more sand inserted into the gears - to emerge.

The room for more "Tuttles" to be created. (Renegade Duct Repairman)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_%281985_film%29

[Shezbeth]

Funny thing about juries, they are limited by their own ignorance. I have 'witnessed' a jury that felt that me being forcibly removed from my vehicle by a (poorly administered) arm-lock was grounds for obstruction of justice because after showing my license to the officer in question (who was IN POSESSION OF MY GOVT ID beyond the DL) I refused to physically give the license over.

Juries, in a word, can be as ignorant as the masses can.

[Frank V]

Fresh from Slashdot...

South Carolina Woman Jailed After Failing To Return Movie Rented Nine Years Ago

An anonymous reader writes "Could you imagine being arrested for failing to return a movie you renter 9-years earlier? Well that's just what happened to one South Carolina woman. 'According to a Feb 13 arrest report, 27-year-old Kayla Finley rented Monster-in-Law in 2005 from now defunct video store Dalton video. The woman failed to return the video within the 72 hour rental limit, eventually leading up to her arrest 9 years later.'"

The Slashdot article links to the original article on The Examiner, which reads as follows...

South Carolina woman was arrested the day before Valentines Day after she allegedly failed to return a rental movie from 2005. Yes, you read that right, 2005.

According to a Feb 13 arrest report, 27-year-old Kayla Finley rented Monster-in-Law in 2005 from now defunct video store Dalton video. The woman failed to return the video within the 72 hour rental limit, eventually leading up to her arrest 9 years later.

Reports claim that Finley was sent several certified letters after the rental store owner filed an arrest warrant with the Pickens County magistrate. She was also allegedly served a certified warrant in September 2005.

Pickens County deputy Hashe claims that Finley was at the sheriff's office on another matter when the outstanding warrant was discovered.

Finley was arrested on the spot and booked into the Pickens County jail on charges of Failure to Return a Video Cassette. Her bond was set at $2,000. According to police records, Finley was released on Valentine's Day morning on her own recognizance.

I'd say that's pretty much over the top... :-/

[Snowflower]

Having been a victim of the slave and money acquisition program, I have to say that this is not over the top. It is standard operating procedure.

[Frank V]

Posted by Snowflower (here)
Having been a victim of the slave and money acquisition program, I have to say that this is not over the top. It is standard operating procedure.

Could you elaborate a little on that, please? Or that is, insofar as that it wouldn't be too personal or too traumatic to talk about. If that were to be the case, then I will understand.

[Frank V]

I would also like to state that the intent of this thread is to not only share information from links on the Web, but to have discussion, and - if possible - to try and come up with what would be a reasonable course of action to take against the ever-growing influence of fascism in our day-to-day lives. Quite obviously such a course of action is yet to be devised, because the Occupy movement was more or less swept off of the streets with overt display of men-with-machineguns machismo by the local police forces, and here are a few other gross examples of gross police misconduct.

Warning : The following excerpts of RT's Breaking The Set and the Alex Jones Channel broadcasts contain shocking information.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tI1e--HA0CE

You can stop watching the following video when Alex Jones appears in the picture, because it's only an ad about coffee from there on.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vhqtiA_QmKk

Keep it coming, guys... Namaste. ;-)

[Frank V]

Fresh from Breaking The Set at RT (formerly Russia Today)...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yBh31mXXFSU

There's more coming - specifically on police brutality and US government-authorized harassment on what could possibly be considered the most peaceful protester of all time - from the same broadcast, but I'm waiting until the editors have uploaded the specific segment to YouTube separately (as they did with the above one) so that you won't have to watch the entire broadcast. ;-)

[Observer1964]

Posted by korgh (here)
These problems are not only in Europe but is a global issue. The Cabal plan.
We need a revolution, we need to think clear and take action soon. The time is running out for all of us.
My main concern is about my children and i dont see a shiny morning for them this way.



Salut and stay safe bro

Problem is ppl dont know what to do
or just to dumbed down to take notice.

I think the present situation is a logical consequence of kapitalism.
Kapitalism is much like monopoly, you start with a free round (free market) but end in 1 winner owns it all.
Wich is what we now have.
And the police is in essence protecting and serving the rich and punishing and enslaving the poor.

Even if we manage to eshtablish a revolution, if it just resetting the system, the next revolution will be a few generations away, we need to change the system.
We need a system that recognises the Earth belongs to us all, we need to preserve our precious minerals, not turn them into money for the rich, We need all kind of things, and the Earth can provide, but not by using Kapitalism. (Monopoly)

We need to look at alternatives like Zeitgeist and Ubuntu movement, and take care of our future as we will reincarnate in the world we leave behind.

[Frank V]

Here's the other video on police brutality and over-the-top government response to peaceful protest that I promised.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XQHwnReTOhg

[Frank V]

Posted by Observer1964 (here)

Posted by korgh (here)
These problems are not only in Europe but is a global issue. The Cabal plan.
We need a revolution, we need to think clear and take action soon. The time is running out for all of us.
My main concern is about my children and i dont see a shiny morning for them this way.



Salut and stay safe bro

Problem is ppl dont know what to do
or just to dumbed down to take notice.

I think the present situation is a logical consequence of kapitalism.
Kapitalism is much like monopoly, you start with a free round (free market) but end in 1 winner owns it all.
Wich is what we now have.

Exactly. I've been saying this for years, but when you criticize capitalism, people - generally US Americans - call you a communist, due to their indoctrination with the Big Commie Scare.

Capitalism (and the ensuing corporatism) has become the new religion of the western world, and everyone else - even (proto-)communist nations such as China, North Korea and North Vietnam or even Cuba, have to abide by those rules as well. They all have monetary systems and they all depend on international trade.

Posted by Observer1964 (here)
And the police is in essence protecting and serving the rich and punishing and enslaving the poor.

Well, the police is - contrary to the slogans on their vehicles - not here "to protect and to serve", but to uphold the law, whatever that law may be. And laws are just rules invented by an elite (who themselves do not observe these rules) for controlling society. No more, no less. It's never a matter of ethics. It's a matter of rules, and society's acceptance of these rules.

Added to the above of course is the set of criteria which determine who gets to be a police officer, and from what it appears like to me, they seem to be primarily recruiting psychopaths, bullies and racists. Or at least, when we're looking at police officers with an active but already established service record. The new kids they're recruiting - and especially over here - are different. They're much gentler and well-mannered.

Posted by Observer1964 (here)
Even if we manage to eshtablish a revolution, if it just resetting the system, the next revolution will be a few generations away, we need to change the system. We need a system that recognises the Earth belongs to us all, we need to preserve our precious minerals, not turn them into money for the rich, We need all kind of things, and the Earth can provide, but not by using Kapitalism. (Monopoly)

I fully agree.

Posted by Observer1964 (here)
We need to look at alternatives like Zeitgeist and Ubuntu movement, and take care of our future as we will reincarnate in the world we leave behind.

True. Of course, the Cabal also knows that they will be reincarnating in the world that they themselves leave behind, and we all know that the world they intend to create for themselves is not one in which we can thrive.

Like you say, we need a revolution. But I'm not so sure a peaceful revolution would work. Note that I'm not trying to incite a violent revolution here, as I abhor violence. However, protests such as Occupy et al have all been very peaceful in nature, and the result was that they were cleaned out with overt display of police brutality and militarism.

The problem, as I see it, is that the police forces - who serve the laws made up by the elite - are the ones who are legally authorized to carry and use firearms and other weapons, whereas civilians - especially here in Europe - are not. In Belgium concretely, one has to jump through about a dozen burning hoops before one is allowed a license for a firearm, and all firearms need to be registered and licensed here. By consequence, people feel powerless, because they don't have a stick to strike back at the oppressor with. But of course, there is an even greater problem, namely a general sense of apathy. People don't care what happens, so long as it doesn't happen to them.

Now, at the moment, even though Europe itself also has police brutality, this is still far less prevalent over here than in the United States of America, so peaceful protests are still possible here, but only to a certain degree, because it doesn't really have much of an impact on political policies. And Europe has a history - i.e. if we take the previous century as an example - of following the USA. Whatever happens in the USA and/or becomes mainstream there will eventually also become mainstream in Europe, even if it is with a bit of a delay. There are several examples of that, e.g.

• technological developments (whether of a civilian or military nature) and marketing
• social tendencies (e.g. the rise of divorce rates, certain festivities which were previously not celebrated in Europe (such as Halloween), the vocalizing of political protests such as Occupy)
• corporatism (via the transnational corporations with offices and branches in Europe)
• expansion of US military imperialism (via NATO)
• the several financial-economic recessions (which started with the US banks and stock markets but then took over the world from there on)

I don't know, but I'm guessing that any global revolution - peaceful or otherwise - would have to start in the USA as well before it can reach Europe, but given that the USA are the Cabal's favorite playground, that's going to be very hard. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I don't think it's going to be all that easy. In the end, the Cabal are the ones with the guns - i.e. they control both law enforcement and the military, and indirectly also the private militias (e.g. Blackwater).

I personally think that mass civil disobedience would be the best course of action, coupled with major strikes, paralyzing society as we know it. But then there are those two same problems again, i.e. it'll take courage (and nobody wants the discomfort of having to live in a non-functioning society where stores are no longer getting replenished et al), and you have to overcome people's apathy.

I don't know... Maybe in the end, what is needed before any of this can happen, is a global consciousness shift. A global awakening. And it's happening, but it's happening way too slowly, and the Cabal are always one step ahead of us. That's what bugs me the most about this.

[Observer1964]

Thnx for ur reply, much I was planning to say in follow-up comments

Posted by Aragorn (here)

I personally think that mass civil disobedience would be the best course of action, coupled with major strikes, paralyzing society as we know it. But then there are those two same problems again, i.e. it'll take courage (and nobody wants the discomfort of having to live in a non-functioning society where stores are no longer getting replenished et al), and you have to overcome people's apathy.

I don't know... Maybe in the end, what is needed before any of this can happen, is a global consciousness shift. A global awakening. And it's happening, but it's happening way too slowly, and the Cabal are always one step ahead of us. That's what bugs me the most about this.

Well, that shift is happening, but the elite see this and thats why u see the rushing in of the police state, they try to stay a step ahead.
If ppl wake up faster, they will push the policestate faster.
I guess we will just have to sit this one through.

Only thing I think we can do is focussing more on solutions like the Ideas proposed by Zeitgeist and Ubuntu movement, and understand that attacks on them is just to defuse the idea of a different approach.

Also I see how they did it with politics.
They took common sense and tore it into 2 pieces, left and right, being helpfull they called socialisme, and healthy sense of self-preservation they called kapitalism, and placed them against each other and push them to extremes...
We need a healthy balance between the 2 to make society work.

[Frank V]

Posted by Observer1964 (here)
Thnx for ur reply, much I was planning to say in follow-up comments

I was faster, hehe.

Posted by Observer1964 (here)

Posted by Aragorn (here)

I personally think that mass civil disobedience would be the best course of action, coupled with major strikes, paralyzing society as we know it. But then there are those two same problems again, i.e. it'll take courage (and nobody wants the discomfort of having to live in a non-functioning society where stores are no longer getting replenished et al), and you have to overcome people's apathy.

I don't know... Maybe in the end, what is needed before any of this can happen, is a global consciousness shift. A global awakening. And it's happening, but it's happening way too slowly, and the Cabal are always one step ahead of us. That's what bugs me the most about this.

Well, that shift is happening, but the elite see this and thats why u see the rushing in of the police state, they try to stay a step ahead.
If ppl wake up faster, they will push the policestate faster.
I guess we will just have to sit this one through.

Only thing I think we can do is focussing more on solutions like the Ideas proposed by Zeitgeist and Ubuntu movement, and understand that attacks on them is just to defuse the idea of a different approach.

Also I see how they did it with politics.
They took common sense and tore it into 2 pieces, left and right, being helpfull they called socialisme, and healthy sense of self-preservation they called kapitalism, and placed them against each other and push them to extremes...
We need a healthy balance between the 2 to make society work.

I fully concur with your analysis. I just wish we could speed up the process of awakening, and especially so in light of the rise of fascism. The ignorance and apathy of the people is exactly why the powers that be can get away with what they're doing, and with tightening that noose a little bit more all the time.

I wonder how much longer it's going to take before people realize that their throats aren't open wide enough anymore to still be able to breathe. :-/

[Observer1964]

ppl have a kind of defense system against everything that treatens their worldview, until something happens that make them realise their worldview is wrong, then they start to see suddenly what they couldnt see before.
So not being able to breathe is something that wakes them up...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8W7cr1h-rH4

[Ahnung-quay]

Lots of people going to be awake PDQ-

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/article...law-directive/

http://www.fas.org/irp/dni/icd/icd-118.pdf