Agenda 21

[gripreaper]

Posted by noramaccoby (here)
It seems like the whole body and frame has been set up for people who agree with each other to fight each other.

You've hit on a very salient point, one which is the oldest trick in the book for those who wish to control the masses. Religions, nation/states, and all permutations of divisiveness have been established to do just that...divide and conquer.

[ulli]

Sustainability is in the interest of all groups, including the elite.

It means that all healthy and mature people find and maintain a level of independence,
and can take care of themselves, especially in poor rural areas.
It is debatable, however, what methods to use to get them there...
and all methods represent some form of interference
whether they be in the form of education, or subsidies.

[sdv]

Posted by BMJ (here)
Thanks kanishk,

From the greatgameindia website, the video below:

Agenda 21 For Dummies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOERWe0qX68

Very interesting comment at 7.47 secs.

Quote: "Generally, more highly educated people, who have higher incomes, consume more resources than poorly educated people who tend to have lower income. In this case, more education increases the threat to sustainability."

Yes, first-world countries such as USA consume far more than developing countries, but to equate this with education (advancement, being more civilized) is not correct in my experience. Some of the most educated people I know walk more softly on this Earth and acknowledge that all in nature has as much right to be here as we do, and that all in nature is not simply a resource to be used by humans.

Imagine a world in which the light of the sun is dimmed by polluted skies, where animals only exist to feed humans, and the same for plants, where mountains are destroyed to make room for more human habitation, where everything on this earth is seen as something to be consumed by humans in exponential expansion and consumerism.

I was peripherally involved in the original Agenda 21 gathering. The movement was inspired by activists who want to honour and live in harmony with nature. (Ironically 14-year-olds in the developing world know more about, and engage in intelligent conversation about, Agenda 21 and the Kyoto Protocol and the non-nuclear goals of NAM, and so on, than Americans and Brits and EU folk do!)

Ironically, when Agenda 21 finally reached the consciousness of the developed world it was attacked.

Property rights? How can we own a tree or soil or a stream? (Owning property means having an exclusive use right, a right which you can sell or pass on as inheritance, and a right that can be taken away, as in Zimbabwe and now South Africa for political reasons, or by the government or a corporation because of financial reasons, but do we own that tree because we are more powerful than that tree?) Do we have the right to destroy that tree if we so wish to do so? Yes, as human beings we do have freedom of choice, but what do we do with this?

And do we have the right to do whatever the hell we want to if it causes harm to others?

I live in a province where there is a law that says that alien vegetation must be destroyed, so if you have a tree on your land that is classified as alien, you have to remove it. The alien vegetation guzzles ground water and acts as destructive fireballs when there are summer wildfires. Is this a bad law or a good law? Most people I know comply because they want to preserve groundwater and to reduce the destructiveness of wildfires in summer. There are many indigenous trees that we can have on our land so is it really a violation of our personal rights as property owners that we are forced by law to remove alien trees? We can still have trees, but only trees that are in harmony with the area in which we live. Why would someone want to have trees on their property that guzzle groundwater (thus depriving indigenous vegetation of water) and are a huge fire hazard? Most people are too stupid to care (and then expect handouts when they experience the consequences), so there are laws.

We need that thread on the archon influence because there is destructive evil that is creating havoc in this world. Personally I think that without this archon influence, humans would want to live in harmony on this awesome planet, and we would not even need Agenda 21 because those would be principles that we live by naturally.

[Vangelo]

Red Ice Radio - Rosa Koire - Hour 1 - Behind the Green Mask: Agenda 21

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1gHJ1PLwRX4

Here is some more information from Rosa Koire, a forensic real estate appraiser specializing in eminent domain valuation. Her research into and fight against redevelopment led her to UN Agenda 21 and was the genesis to co-found the Santa Rosa Neighborhood Coalition, Democrats Against UN Agenda 21, and the Post Sustainability Institute. She has been speaking and inspiring groups nationally to take action. She is the author of Behind The Green Mask. Don't miss this important program as Rosa details how Agenda 21 is being used to transition the world into a global totalitarian state where one must pay to live. She'll explain how this agenda is the biggest public relation scam in history. We'll cover how this plan is designed to destroy the individual, create scarcity and make us vulnerable to control. Rosa talks about the ideology of Communitarianism, which is similar to Communist China, the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

[Theseus]

My first post on here on Avalon :]
Hope you found this as thought provoking as i did.. Especially that NASA document,Its 10 years old... But seems to me its still very much alive, Along with the subversionary tatctics and active war against the public it entails..
And it scares me.. im not easily shaken but this ones taking the cake for me this week..
Im pretty sure we are all aware of depop plans and structured government.. but these 2 things seem to border the extreme.. And it reminded me that this is a threat not to be forgotton or overlooked.


This video disturbed me a little.. you may have to watch it twice to catch everything that he says.... That room should not be empty. It should be full of people questioning the integrity of these measures... It sounds like they know something we dont??? hmm. whatever it is.. its big.. I realize that all of this may be cleverly structured to sound like Anti terrorism.. but i fear who the real terrorists might turn out to be.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5IhlNK3hEeE#t



And this video is twice as disturbing... NASA's take on the advancement of the human race? They refer to us as cattle.. More Agenda 21 tailored type planning im going to asume.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eN4XICOyRb8

[Theseus]

Talk about 2 juicy videos.. right? FEMA buying even more coffins :/ I know they put out fear in waves.. But this one aint lookin like a stunt so much.. I think something draws near for the American people.

[Kristin]

Welcome to Avalon. Thank you for the video links.
From the Heart,
Kristin

LOL, this first video appears to be a dubbed voice over with a great message. Nice sense of humour.

The second video has in fact been posted before, however it is excellent. You can always do a search for the URL before posting to see if it' s been used before. However, I'm eager to hear more of your opinions on the subject. Great first post!

[Realeyes]

Hello Theseus,
Welcome!
You have sure arrived at 'the' Forum filled with information, aliveness and fine thinking folk.
May it be like a second home to you.
Love & Blessings
Realeyes
Ps, thanks for the video links

[GreenGuy]

Hello Theseus. I agree, great first post! You're gonna have a ball mining the material at Avalon. Welcome to the rabbit hole!

[Soulboy]

Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.

[Lefty Dave]

Posted by Soulboy (here)
Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.

When you say debunked...are you saying the video is fraudulant? Are you saying the document does not or never did exist? Are you implying the presenters are lying? Would you please document to us the debunking information?
Appreciate it.
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[Milneman]

What they said.

Welcome to the jungle!

[Atlas]

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)

Posted by Soulboy (here)
Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.

When you say debunked...are you saying the video is fraudulant? Are you saying the document does not or never did exist? Are you implying the presenters are lying? Would you please document to us the debunking information?
Appreciate it.
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Here you go:

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Yes -- it's a hoax. It's not a real NASA document.

The information may be valid (or partially valid). But not the document.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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I'm 98% sure this is a forged document. No academic or scientist makes presentations like this (there are many anomalies, if one looks very carefully). This stuff is also not NASA's province at all, and never has been.

I've not been able to find it on any military site (also looked on http://archive.org in case it'd been deleted. Nothing there.) This does *NOT* mean that the information may not be valid. But I'm as sure as I can be that the presentation has been concocted.

Posted by Forevernyt (here)
If you ask me, I think the document is a plant.

Yes, I'm almost completely sure that's what it is.

Posted by Paul (here)

Here are three posts by Bill Ryan, doubting the legitimacy of this document called "Future Strategic Issues/Future Warfare [Circa 2025]: The Future is Now":

• The Future is NOW - Nasa Document [Vid] -- Post #68
• Giant exercise off the east coast of the US. A full blown invasion DRILL -- Post #109
• NASA: The End Of Mankind "Leaked Document" 2013 -- Post #79 (just above)

[Theseus]

Posted by Soulboy (here)
Hi Theseus,

welcome to Avalon. The second video has been thoroughly debunked a few months ago and again a month after it first appeared. The document they use is not authentic. I am not sure if the same applies to the first video.

It depends on your defininition of debunked, most of the radio frequency's food and media are doing the job that document has outlined....
So although the document might not be a complete reality let me asure you enough of it is playing out for us in real life, not fiction.. Agenda 21 is a serious threat to us all.

[Shezbeth]

I can't speak to the second video.

The first video is care of the folks at The Onion (notice the onion logo next to the 'span'). It's a news satire organization.

[Soulboy]

Thanks Buares, for posting the info while I was offline over here.

Theseus, my definition of debunked roughly translates to "has been shown to be nonsense/ fabrication/ exaggeration/ untruth". I am aware of what a threat Agenda 21 is, but come on, this presentation document smeels funny. It's inconsistent, follows a poor logical thread and most of the topics mentioned would never be dealt with by our so-called space agency. It's pretty obvious, really. This is not to say that at least some of the topics it deals with are a very real concern and should not be taken lightly. All I'm saying is that the document in question is not genuine/ authentic...



The first one being from the Onion is even more obvious. I agree regarding your food comment. Something stupid like 85% of US food production would not be allowed to be imported into Europe as it is considered unsafe to consume due to GMOs. They were trying to change that with the help of the TPP recently, which luckily got out in public early enough, mostly thanks to Wikileaks. They are probably dreaming up a new 3-4 letter acronym for a similar horrific programme as we speak to try and introduce it the next time nobody is watching or speeding off to their holidays in the EU parliament (if it even deserves this term).

[Theseus]

Well for a moment look at the parts of the document that have truth to them.
The chem trails altering the soil.
The low frequency emission attacks on your brains literally, fluoride , and other food and water contamination , making petrol more toxic, The cell towers,The tobacco industry. Do not even get me started on Pharma.. And the other multitude of things they are doing to dehabilitate brain function.
We are under constant satellite influence, our phones our TV's. Even the teflon coating you cook with has been designed to specifically harm you, You can kill your parakeets by putting them next to a teflon pan while your cooking. I mean jesus even the cans you get your food in are leaching poisons into the food, i mean... there are countless little things. Not to mention the big things..

Part of the reason why bankers incite war is so they can kill off the population to relieve debt they have incurred from exploiting the system.. And the substances and ammunition's used in the wars cause degenerative effects on future generations.. people quit having kids in some war torn regions because of mutations.. Another sick way of killing people off.. they dont care how they do it just that they do.
Your talking about people that are selected to run their institutions based on a psychological profile of a complete lack of ethics or morality or remorse .
lol do i have to tell stories about Halliburton too? before people can step back and have a change of perception and accept what these people do to us.. You have to step outside of the box and look at it from another prespective and try encompass howmany projects there are out there. They are literally at war with us. Ive been looking for a week for a video of a politician that spoke out against the obama administration saying that they are using various types of psi and chem warfare against us and he was just murdered.. for the life of me i cannot find his name or the video again. Anyway

There are countless acts of subversive warfare being employed on us. I made it a passion to find out.. And no my info normally isnt coming from video's like this i try and read military sourced documents. Ive read things ... where they were using dial tone pulses from phones to tell the brain to stop the heart... lol.
This is the military we are talking about they have the smartest minds in the world and nearly unlimited funding to come up with this stuff.. And it would have to be 100 different ways they would carry this out otherwise it would be detectable.. or its just somany things that people would claim the person was paranoid.
Black projects are just what my thing is.. Ive done mountains of reading on them and heard a lot of testimonials of those who worked in or for the construction of those programs. Ive even ended up with a few dozen top secret documents that describe the implementation of these kinds of weapons and warfare. I was sort of obsessed with finding out exactly what and how much of it is really out there. They regaurd us as items or subjects.. expendable resource.

I was abducted and put through a psi ops program when i was in grade school... I can speak from experience about just how much they really give a #@%# on how they treat citizens and even children. Its not a reality that you want to face nor an easy reality to accept but you have to know it is the truth and these things are happening.


I dont think its wise to toss this aside... Maybe a normal joe might find this compelling simply because it says NASA and not david icke or something like that, I think its a powerfull video....I understand her motive for trying to spread that info on a more mainstream line.

If you want i will make a thread about the program i was in.. And what things ive found out about what really happened there and what they were doing.

[Theseus]

Please believe im not a whack job... and i don't speak about something ive just "read in one place" i never take anything at face value i do my research.. i investigate i compare notes lol.. im not spewing propaganda here.
The elite are really are hell bent on controlling/killing/dehabilitating 8 out of 10 of us.

[Atlas]

Posted by Theseus (here)
Ive even ended up with a few dozen top secret documents that describe the implementation of these kinds of weapons and warfare.

Would you mind sharing these documents ?

[Theseus]

I do not keep anything illegal on here anymore.
I know thats not the answer you wanted but im sorry lol..
what things i did have.. were on a hard drive that melted along with over 5 years worth of lyrics and poetry id written.. yea that was a pretty sad day.

But as far as other agenda 21 stuff.. man its out there you gotta find it.
Im sure its all over fourms like this ATF and Thechaniconspiracyproject.
Ive spent the better part of 7 years researching that kind of stuff trust me its out there if you look you will find it.