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    Seems with the added pressure over the last few days the western "bankers" have basically dug their tentacles in a bit deeper.

    Ukraine Opposition Signs Deal With President

    The pattern continues..................

    Quote Polish foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski was overheard warning a member of the Ukrainian opposition that President Yanukovich would impose martial law if protesters did not support a deal with the government and that they all would be dead....
    Article with VIDEO showing him saying this

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    Ukraine & WW3

    Gepubliceerd op 19 feb. 2014

    Alex welcomes to the broadcast Geopolitical expert and political activist Lyndon Larouche joins the show to break down the major players who are secretly fueling the protests in Kiev.


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    2011 - Consultants are helping people countries like Ukraine and Egypt build a foundation of knowledge in order to start revolutions.


    Democratic change has been demanded across the Middle East. But was what seems like a spontaneous revolution actually a strategically planned event, fabricated by 'revolution consultants' long in advance?

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    Yulia Tymoshenko Freed? Ukraine Parliament Votes To Release Jailed Former Prime Minister
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4831762.html

    Quote Tymoshenko, a vocal opposition leader and one of the faces of the 2004 Orange Revolution, was convicted in October 2011 after of exceeding her powers as prime minister. She was sentenced to seven years in prison. Her incarceration has led to strained ties between the former Soviet nation and the West, with both the United States and the European Union condemning the jailing as a "politically motivated" act.

    As BBC News' Moscow correspondent Daniel Sandford points out, the vote to free Tymoshenko will still need to be signed into law by embattled President Viktor Yanukovych, Tymoshenko's principal rival.
    Why is the Yulia Tymoshenko case so important?
    https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-...nt-331629.html

    Quote The first point is that Tymoshenko was not convicted for graft, but for exceeding her authority in signing the 2009 gas price agreement with Russia. Now that agreement has been slated as a bad agreement for Ukraine – recently I heard suggestions that the deal could have cost Ukraine $10-$20 billion in higher energy import costs. In response I would counter that two years after her jailing, and despite the weight of the prosecutors’ office focusing on the fine detail of that agreement, no evidence from what I can make out has been gleaned of graft related to the 2009 agreement. It may have been a bad agreement, but likewise the 2006 agreement concluded by the Viktor Yushchenko administration was equally questionable (perhaps worse) for Ukraine.
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    Second, and returning to the issue of the importance of Tymoshenko and the link with the free trade agreement with the EU. I think you have to ask yourself why she is in jail. Was it really because of the signing of the 2009 gas deal, or for other reasons, i.e. that she poses a political threat to the incumbent regime. If you think it was the latter, then this implies the selective application of justice, and it is surely only right that the EU plays very tough over the Tymoshenko issue and links to the free trade agreement.
    Third, again if you assumed the latter in term of point two above, I think the EU softening its approach for the sake of getting the free trade agreement signed would be at a huge detriment to Ukraine and indeed to the basic principles of the EU in terms of respect for basic democratic rights. If the EU signs the free trade agreement with Tymoshenko still in jail this would suggest that EU principles in terms of respect and support for basic democratic rights are somehow up for negotiation. And, that regimes that do not abide by EU principles still get rewarded with favorable trade and association (it is not just about trade, but about setting a perspective towards membership of the EU, i.e. taking on the EU's basic principles) deals.

    Fourth, I think if the EU signs the free trade agreement with Tymoshenko still in jail there is a real danger that the 2015 election will not be free and fair – the EU will have sent totally the wrong signal to the Yanukovych administration, and will have revealed that its sanction has no teeth. There have been legislative efforts recently to preclude another opposition leader, Vitali Klitchko, from running in the 2015 election, and I think the risk is that other opposition leaders will face similar pressures. And this is important not just for Ukraine, but for other countries across the CIS, but globally – a clear precedent will have been set.

    Fifth, there is this desire that the free trade agreement has to be signed to ensure Ukraine stays out of the Russian fold, is protected from Russian bullying, and keeps a European perspective. I think however the European perspective is all about the protection of basic democratic rights, which is center stage in the Tymoshenko case.

    So concluding, I would argue that the Tymoshenko case is actually not about an individual, but a key principle which is a very foundation of the EU and everything it stands for, i.e. the protection and indeed promotion of basic democratic rights. Hence, I would contend that the Tymoshenko issue should be linked to the free trade agreement, and that this is key both for the future of democracy in Ukraine, but is similarly important for the EU and the basic tenets which underpin the very foundations of the EU itself, and for its global partners.
    https://www.kyivpost.com/hot/yulia-tymoshenko/


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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution
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    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-yul...8.html#uIHCJLi

    Ukraine: Tymoshenko Set For Release From Prison

    MPs have appointed interim figures to key government roles after a deal to end three months of violent clashes in Ukraine.
    Jailed Ukrainian opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko is set for release as part of political decisions taken at an emergency session of parliament in Kiev.
    Initial reports claimed she had already been freed, but these were later clarified by aide Natasha Lysova who said the parliamentary decision meant she must be freed immediately.
    Ms Tymoshenko is the arch-rival of President Viktor Yanukovych and her arrest in 2011 and conviction on charges of abuse of power were claimed as political revenge by opposition supporters.
    Sky's Diplomatic Editor Tim Marshall said: "The president has left and it looks like his power has crumbled. There's a new speaker, who is sympathetic towards the opposition who are rapidly becoming the government.
    "Tymoshenko is set to be released, the interior ministry which controls the police says it wants rapid change, and the party which is strongest in the east - which is the government's party - has said it wants to unify the country.
    "So you just see power transferring across, and it's happened relatively quickly.
    "The next move probably is Tymoshenko to come to the capital and there will be tumultuous scenes and if that happenes at some point this square has to be cleared."
    It comes after protesters claimed full control over the city of Kiev and key allies of Ms Tymoshenko were appointed to interim roles by MPs during an emergency session of parliament.
    Police have abandoned posts around the capital and protesters held the presidential office.
    Opposition leaders have called for the president to stand down immediately and urged early elections to take place before May 25.
    President Viktor Yanukovych is reported to have left Kiev, with his residence in the capital unguarded and journalists able to enter the building freely, according to the Interfax news agency.
    A close ally said he had no intention of leaving Ukraine. Hanna Herman said he was visiting Kharkiv, a city in the east of Ukraine which is the heart of his support.
    Speaker Volodymyr Rybak, a key aide to Mr Yanukovych, announced he was standing down due to ill-health on Saturday.
    MPs elected Oleksander Turchynov - a close ally to Tymoshenko, to replace him along with opposition MP Arsen Avakov as interior minister until the formation of a new coalition government.
    The interior ministry said on Saturday it was in favour of "speedy change" and urged the people to unite to ensure security and the creation of an "independent, democratic and just European country".
    But regional legislators in eastern Ukraine have questioned the legitimacy and authority of decisions made by the national parliament.
    Authorities say some 77 people have been killed over three days of violence in the Ukrainian capital.
    But opposition medics say more than 60 protesters were shot dead by police on Thursday alone, and that almost 100 people have died in the crisis.




    No news good news eh






    Sky's Katie Stallard reports from Kiev where security forces have abandoned their posts in the government district.


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    Looks like the elusive Middle East peace agreement will drag into this fall.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...9#.UwiwBPldWSo

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    Looks like the western bankers win again....

    Quote UKRAINE PROTESTERS TAKE KIEV; PRESIDENT SAYS COUP

    Yanukovych left Kiev for his support base in the country's Russian-speaking east, where lawmakers questioned the legitimacy of the newly empowered parliament and called for volunteer militias to uphold order.

    "Everything that is happening today is, to a greater degree, vandalism and bandits and a coup d'etat," Yanukovych said in a televised statement, clearly shaken and making long pauses in his speech.

    He said decisions made by parliament Friday and Saturday "are all illegal" and compared the situation to the rise of Nazis in the 1930s. He said he would not sign any of the measures passed by parliament, which include trimming his powers and releasing his jailed arch-rival, ex-Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

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    "A CIA agent has allegedly just been captured in the Ukraine as shown on the video below. This video was just emailed to Before It’s News at the request that we publish this information immediately. Is this MORE PROOF that the CIA and US government are fomenting revolution in the Ukraine or propaganda from ‘the other side’? More below video. - See more at: "

    http://livefreelivenatural.com/cia-a....lOMr5QXv.dpuf
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    Here is the episode of Coast to Coast from the 20th. George Noory interviewed Ed Dames. Regardless of what you think of him, he does live part time in Kiev, Ukraine and know a little something about the situation there. Here is the interview with him starting at the 1:17.00 mark.

    The first half of the show is about all the Banker deaths, worth listenig to that too.


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    Here is a "collage" from a SOTT.net article:


    The Ukraine's new opposition leader, created by the US and EU, giving the Sig Heil to his rabid supporters



    From left, the head of Svoboda, the larger of the two far-right, anti-Semitic parties the US and EU support, Oleh Tyagnybok; in the middle is the head of the Batkivcshchyna party, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, US-trained economist and against gay marriage; then on the right is the head of the smaller, even more extreme, anti-Semitic far-right Udar ('Punch') party Vitalii Klitschko, who is not so much against gay marriage as he is for gays being publicly beaten and humiliated.


    Quote In response to Svoboda's anti-Semitic rhetoric, the World Jewish Congress has called for the party to be banned.
    Quote SOTT Comment: And yet, one of Europe's leading Zionists, French 'philosopher' Bernard Henri-Levy, gets up on a stage with these people at the beginning of demonstrations in Kiev to egg them on towards revolution...

    What's up with that? They decry anti-Semitism, but do their damnedest to incite it and spread it...
    Quote European and Israeli leaders expressed shock in October 2012, when Svoboda gained more than 10 percent of the electorate in parliamentary elections, entering the legislature for the first time. (In some western regions of Ukraine, Svoboda gained as much as 40 percent of the vote.)
    Quote SOTT Comment: Yes, the EU was in so much shock, it thought it would be a good idea to hand power to these guys.
    Quote Svoboda glorifies fascist figures and related slogans from Ukraine's past - on New Year's Day, 15,000 Svoboda members and their followers marched in honor of controversial Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera, who fought against the Soviets during the Second World War and had ties to Nazi Germany. His Ukrainian Insurgent Army allegedly took part in the massacre of thousands of Ukrainian Jews and Poles. Tyahnybok has repeatedly sought inspiration from Ukrainian insurgents who fought in World War II. "They did not fear, but took up their automatic rifles, going into the woods to fight Muscovites, Germans, Jewry and other filth which wanted to take away our Ukrainian nationhood. It's time to give Ukraine to the Ukrainians," he said.
    Quote SOTT Comment: Funny that, did Henri-Levy suddenly forget about the Holocaust he spends every other moment of his time reminding people in the rest of Europe about?

    Hopelessly duped Ukrainian people listen to French Jewish-Zionist warmonger, Bernard-Henri Lévy, on Kyiv’s Maidan Square, February 9, 2014.



    "Pleased to meet ya. Yes, you'll serve our purposes well..." McCain meets the 'opposition leader' Oleh Tyahnybok to get the ball rolling on this 'revolution'.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Now... what's that thing, again... about controlled opposition... who is whose puppet?
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    So i guess one more country .... occupied by monsters and 1 step closer to nuclear war. Nice ... well done

    If we are still here the next few weeks months we will see how wrong they are most people here that said this is a public outcry and the "will" of Ukraine people.

    Hope we all remember but this is a how a country died. Also now you will see how much the country will be divided and how many more will die or get in jail. See Libya and Syria ... you will get what i mean. Divide and conquer.
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    Quote Posted by Sidney (here)
    Here is the episode of Coast to Coast from the 20th. George Noory interviewed Ed Dames. Regardless of what you think of him, he does live part time in Kiev, Ukraine and know a little something about the situation there. Here is the interview with him starting at the 1:17.00 mark.

    The first half of the show is about all the Banker deaths, worth listenig to that too.

    C2C ... has lost its value ... They have sold out ... every day every topic they keep going back to the official narratives. I dont know why or how but they are off my info news list.

    They are saying bravo to this much death cause of coruption? The damn government was ELECTED ... and they compare them to Gadafi.

    So what should the Greeks or the EU in general do for their corruption? NOTHING ofc ... they are going along the orders of the Elite so why revolt. Sleep ...

    i hope a EU citizen comes here and says we are not controled by US and the Elites ... please i want to have a laugh.
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    Quote Posted by Etherios (here)
    Quote Posted by Sidney (here)
    Here is the episode of Coast to Coast from the 20th. George Noory interviewed Ed Dames. Regardless of what you think of him, he does live part time in Kiev, Ukraine and know a little something about the situation there. Here is the interview with him starting at the 1:17.00 mark.

    The first half of the show is about all the Banker deaths, worth listenig to that too.

    C2C ... has lost its value ... They have sold out ... every day every topic they keep going back to the official narratives. I dont know why or how but they are off my info news list.

    They are saying bravo to this much death cause of coruption? The damn government was ELECTED ... and they compare them to Gadafi.

    So what should the Greeks or the EU in general do for their corruption? NOTHING ofc ... they are going along the orders of the Elite so why revolt. Sleep ...

    i hope a EU citizen comes here and says we are not controled by US and the Elites ... please i want to have a laugh.
    I fully agree with you, I even wrote George Noory an email complaining how he handled one shows live caller in particular . I just happened to listen to this episode in the car, I actually thought I was getting the episode before, but, something that he said, was that TWITTER is a good way to see what is happening over there because its pretty much live updated information, and everything else can be manipulated.

    But you are so right, Coast has really taken a nose dive. Very Sad after all these decades.

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    source - http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...oin-heist.html





    WORLD NEWS 02.22.14
    Ukraine's President Flees Kiev, Tymoshenko Is Free at Last
    Former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko was finally released from prison on Saturday as President Yanukovich fled the capital. Will Cathcart reports from the ground in Kiev.
    Ukraine’s former prime minister, Yulia Tymoshenko, was freed from prison today and went straight to Kiev’s Independence Square to rally her divided nation. President Viktor Yanukovich has left the capital, while many of his closest associates are reported to have fled the country. “A dictatorship has fallen,” Tymoshenko told the crowd, but she insisted that the fight has just begun.
    To all intents and purposes, right now Ukraine has no president, but the parliament named Olexandr Turchinov, known as Tymoshenko’s right-hand man, to be its speaker. He is now the de facto leader of Ukraine—at least until Tymoshenko appears in public. A newly appointed interior minister also is from her party. Leading military and police units have begun declaring their loyalty to the new regime.

    Former prime minister Tymoshenko, who wears her blonde hair in a trademark crown-like braid, had been serving a seven year sentence on corruption charges that many analysts believed were trumped up. Recently she had been confined in a hospital ward about three hours away from the Ukrainian capital. Tymoshenko has suffered from recurrent medical problems and appeared in Kiev in a wheelchair.

    For months power in the country has been contested by the Euro Maidan movement and other protestors intent on taking the Ukraine closer to Europe, while Yanukovich sought to tie Ukraine ever more closely to Russia and its President Vladimir Putin.

    Over the last three days the simmering confrontation suddenly erupted. Scores of protestors and police were killed on Thursday, even as three European foreign ministers and a representative from Moscow tried to strike a deal with Yanukovich to end the violence. After a marathon negotiating session, many of the protestors’ demands were met on Friday morning: early elections were announced, and a return to an earlier, more liberal constitution. The police pulled out of Independence Square. But Yanukovich still tried to hang on to power.

    Then, earlier today, 300 members of parliament declared that the president no longer held office because he had exceeded his authority. Protestors occupied the presidential palace without resistance. Yanukovich had fled.

    The now non-president is reported to have gone to the southeast of the country, which is Russian speaking and a traditional stronghold of support. But it appears that Putin, who once gave him strong backing, is now pulling away from him.

    Indeed, nobody seems to want to be associated with the infamously corrupt Yanukovich in this drama that often feels surreal. At his residence, Yanukovich abandoned a menagerie of exotic animals, and amid all the upheaval, calls have gone out for people to rescue the beasts. Almost no one is talking about rescuing their owner.

    The one thing that now seems to be clear is that we’re going to see a new Ukraine. As I look around Independence Square, a place where the word “apocalypse” has become a journalistic cliché, what strikes me now is the sense of order and of hope.

    “We police ourselves,” says Nick Gorokhov, a spokesman for the Euro Maidan movement. “Ordinary people unite to make a civil guard to protect the city.”

    The president is gone. The people are still here.

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    (..) And nine, nine rings were gifted to the race of Men, who above all else desire power. For within these rings was bound the strength and the will to govern over each race. (...)
    They were once Men. Great Kings of Men. Then Sauron the Deceiver gave to them nine Rings of Power. Blinded by their greed, they took them without question, one by one falling to darkness. Now they are slaves to his will. They are the Nazgûl, Ringwraiths, neither living nor dead.(...)

    This is what happens when people desire power. Those who desire it should be given it last.

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    well said! I must admit I have adopted this attitude about all the issues around the world. With Ukraine issue, same thing as we could debate forever about whether there are paid protesters etc but if we skip out all the messy confusions, it makes sense that there would be unrest right now.
    As it has been pointed out, it is build up anger that is being unleashed even if it they got hijacked by other agendas. Even if it is only a 'minority' protesting, this doesn't mean the majority do not care or are perfectly happy. Many will not want to be involved in this type of 'unrest', which imo is very wise. As they say, 'if you keep doing what you have always done, you will always get what you always got'. Or I believe Einstein said it was a sign of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
    I do not believe protesting is effective and for the changes the world needs it is useless and a waste of energy better spent 'being the change'.
    We must also keep in mind the propaganda and distractions used against us and designed to fuel fear and a sense of feeling powerless. Chanting in the street may make you feel united, but will not bring change. Violence is never the way as violence only breeds violence. Same for trying to bring down a system by using the same systems, it will not be a success.
    Only solution is to increase love and to 'be the change we want to see in the world'. Its more than a catchy phrase, it is truth!
    " quit giving your energy to the tyrants" is great advice (by gripreaper)
    I know there is growing numbers of people simply deciding to 'opt out' of this civilization. I had my own plans and have now met so many with similar plans that it really could turn out great and be a group effort and 'birth' of a new society. If more and more decide to opt out also, just imagine....'live as an example' 'build it and they shall come' and all of these saying spring to mind!

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    Quote Posted by Labrenthina (here)
    well said! I must admit I have adopted this attitude about all the issues around the world. With Ukraine issue, same thing as we could debate forever about whether there are paid protesters etc but if we skip out all the messy confusions, it makes sense that there would be unrest right now.
    As it has been pointed out, it is build up anger that is being unleashed even if it they got hijacked by other agendas. Even if it is only a 'minority' protesting, this doesn't mean the majority do not care or are perfectly happy. Many will not want to be involved in this type of 'unrest', which imo is very wise. As they say, 'if you keep doing what you have always done, you will always get what you always got'. Or I believe Einstein said it was a sign of insanity to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
    I do not believe protesting is effective and for the changes the world needs it is useless and a waste of energy better spent 'being the change'.
    We must also keep in mind the propaganda and distractions used against us and designed to fuel fear and a sense of feeling powerless. Chanting in the street may make you feel united, but will not bring change. Violence is never the way as violence only breeds violence. Same for trying to bring down a system by using the same systems, it will not be a success.
    Only solution is to increase love and to 'be the change we want to see in the world'. Its more than a catchy phrase, it is truth!
    " quit giving your energy to the tyrants" is great advice (by gripreaper)
    I know there is growing numbers of people simply deciding to 'opt out' of this civilization. I had my own plans and have now met so many with similar plans that it really could turn out great and be a group effort and 'birth' of a new society. If more and more decide to opt out also, just imagine....'live as an example' 'build it and they shall come' and all of these saying spring to mind!
    Sorry ... i would have to disagree ... yes build up anger but pointed at the wrong way ... AKA problem,reaction,solution.

    If they manage to split Ukraine now in to 2 parts ... we can see the beginning of a new Cold war ... then i am sure the Ukraine people that got tricked will be hit the hardest.

    Divide and conquer ...

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    Thought it was worth sharing, sorry if it has all been said.


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    Ill omen? Pope’s doves of peace for Ukraine attacked by angry birds

    Pope Francis on Sunday prayed for the start of a “constructive dialogue” in Ukraine, releasing two white doves to symbolize the hope for peace. However, the doves were immediately attacked by a crow and a seagull.

    http://rt.com/news/pope-doves-omen-ukraine-222/

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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Ill omen? Pope’s doves of peace for Ukraine attacked by angry birds

    Pope Francis on Sunday prayed for the start of a “constructive dialogue” in Ukraine, releasing two white doves to symbolize the hope for peace. However, the doves were immediately attacked by a crow and a seagull.

    http://rt.com/news/pope-doves-omen-ukraine-222/
    Hey Roisin, that happened on January 26th, but one may wonder, if this was some kind of premonitional future warning.

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    Quote Posted by Labrenthina (here)
    Same for trying to bring down a system by using the same systems, it will not be a success.
    Exactly
    Hopefully this will be the next step in the worlds realisations.
    You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be, and whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy. Desiderata - Max Ehrman

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