Ukraine's strategic importance

[Camilo]

http://youtu.be/v6jHhzj08yQ (10 min. video)

Published on Feb 22, 2014

Ukraine's strategic importance
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v6jHhz...

For those of us who have been following the unrest in Ukraine, the last couple of days have been quite hectic. Kiev is in turmoil, Lviv has proclaimed its desire for independence, ethnic Russian separatism is rising in Crimea and the Euromaiden demonstrations have so far claimed the lives of more than a hundred people. The country is broken, falling apart and fragmenting into smaller entities, some analysts are calling Ukraine the next Yugoslavia. But what exacly is so special about this country? Why are the Europeans even in Ukraine? And what are Russia's interests in Kiev?

It has been a very busy few days for Ukraine's parliament. They just reinstated the 2004 constitution, which basicly turns Ukraine back to a parliamentary system rather than a presidential one. The parliament also appointed a new interior minister and speaker of the parliament (both which are part of the Fatherland Party, led by the recently freed Yulia Tymoshenko), and now the parliament is moving to impeach measures against former President, Viktor Yanukovych. Or should I say current president? Because even before the impeachment proces started, the parliament dismissed Yanukovych, on grounds that he was incapable of fulfilling his presidential duties. This is very dubious because technically speaking such a charge does not excist in Ukraine's constitution. Im not defending the legitimacy Yanukovych, but the parliament simply bypassed the entire impeachment proces and thus acted against their own constitution, therefore one can argue whether this was a coup or not.

[Camilo]

US-NATO War With Russia Over Ukraine

http://youtu.be/BQx9POGEMjA (6min. video)

Published on Feb 12, 2014
The strategic significance of Ukraine today is that the crisis there threatens to become the trigger for the onset of a thermonuclear confrontation between Russia and the United States. Lyndon LaRouche warned on February 3 that as long as the US continues its current policy direction, the world is threatened with thermonuclear war in the coming month

[Tyy1907]

I am so ****in tired of the US starting **** in the world. I mean really? They will not stop. Guaranteed they planted anarchists in these peaceful protests. I hope to God Russia does the right thing here. A no nonsense display of anti-war tactics impeccably displayed by our et brothers would sure drive a message home.

[Camilo]

Legitimacy of Ukraine’s new government

http://youtu.be/q-FYM5QkXZ8 (4.28 min. video)


It has been a very busy few days for Ukraine's parliament. They just reinstated the 2004 constitution, which basicly turns Ukraine back to a parliamentary system rather than a presidential one. The parliament also appointed a new interior minister and speaker of the parliament (both which are part of the Fatherland Party, led by the recently freed Yulia Tymoshenko), and now the parliament is moving to impeach measures against former President, Viktor Yanukovych. Or should I say current president? Because even before the impeachment proces started, the parliament dismissed Yanukovych, on grounds that he was incapable of fulfilling his presidential duties. This is very dubious because technically speaking such a charge does not excist in Ukraine's constitution. Im not defending the legitimacy Yanukovych, but the parliament simply bypassed the entire impeachment proces and thus acted against their own constitution, therefore one can argue whether this was a coup or not.

[TargeT]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UQcthWzgt6Y

What is going on in the Ukraine? Just another hapless herd of tax cattle being paid, poked and punished by the USA and USSR in yet another round of superpower hell-chess brinksmanship.

Correction From Previous Video: Viktor Andriyovych Yushchenko is the former President of Ukraine. He took office on January 23, 2005, following the Orange Revolution. Viktor Fedorovych Yanukovych has been President of Ukraine since February 2010.

Yup... Iran didnt work.. LETS TRY UKRAINE!

same old same old... this one seems to have caught a little traction though?

[Wind]

Now it seems that Putin is about to make his move.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/27/wo...pe/russia.html

[TargeT]

this story, of course, has deep financial and possibly even cultural (ego IMO) implications:

“The reality today is that Russia supplies 31 percent of EU gas imports, 27 percent of crude oil imports, 24 percent of EU coal imports, 30 percent of total EU uranium imports, and is the EU’s third-largest supplier of electricity,” said Edward Goldberg, a professor at Baruch College and the New York University Center for Global Affairs. “In turn, the EU is not only easily Russia’s largest trading partner, but it is the market for 88 percent of Russia’s oil exports, 70 percent of its gas exports, and 50 percent of its coal exports.

Second, Russia is believed to want to limit the sway of the west in the former Soviet bloc, an area Moscow believes to be in its sphere of influence. However, Goldberg cautioned that the ties between Moscow and Kiev go much deeper than just energy and the Cold War, making the stakes for Russia much higher than for the west.

“Much more of the soul of Russia is involved in this, much note than just Putin wanting to establish Russia’s old imperial borders,” he said.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articl...uch-Deeper-Gas

[Camilo]

Washington’s Role in the Ukrainian Coup & How it May Spin Out of Control

This article and videos provide an interesting perspective on the US involvement with events in the Ukraine.

Washington may have bitten off more than it can chew in Ukraine, and there is a very real danger that the crisis could escalate into something far more serious.

http://scgnews.com/washingtons-role-...out-of-control

[Camilo]

Ukraine's fugitive president surfaces in Moscow

Viktor Yanukovych is spotted at an opulent hotel and a five-star retreat once favored by an ex-Russian leader.

MOSCOW (AP) — Ukraine's fugitive president surfaced on Thursday in Moscow, where he was said to have been seen at an opulent five-star hotel and a Kremlin country retreat once favored by the late Boris Yeltsin.
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Viktor Yanukovych reportedly was granted protection in Russia, but he has not received a warm reception. Although Russia still considers him the legitimate president of Ukraine, the Kremlin has treated him cautiously and portrayed him as a coward who betrayed those who stood by him.

Yanukovych made his appeal for protection in a written statement released simultaneously by two Russian state news agencies: "I have to ask Russia to ensure my personal safety from extremists," he wrote. Shortly afterward, the same agencies quoted an unidentified government official as saying that the request had been "satisfied on the territory of Russia." The ITAR-Tass and RIA Novosti news agencies often are used by the government to issue official statements.

Since he was driven out of Ukraine's capital nearly a week ago after three months of protests, Yanukovych had been on the run.

His last public appearance was Saturday in the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, where he declared in a video address that he was still president and would not leave the country.

The opposition leaders who suddenly found themselves in charge of the country, however, said Yanukovych then promptly tried to fly out from Donetsk, also in eastern Ukraine, but was stopped by the border service. He then showed up on the Crimean Peninsula, where Russia has a naval base, according to the acting interior minister, who said Yanukovych and his remaining loyal guards were last seen driving away in three cars early Monday.

Yanukovych arrived in Moscow early Tuesday and checked into the Hotel Ukraina, according to the reliable RBK business daily, which said the information initially came from one of Russia's wealthy businessmen and was confirmed by a government official.

By Wednesday, Yanukovych had moved to the Barvikha Sanitorium, a well-guarded compound just outside the city with a hotel, cottages and medical center run by the presidential administration's property department, the report said. The spokesman for this department, Viktor Khrekov, told The Associated Press that he had no information about this.

RBK, however, cited an unidentified official in the presidential administration as saying that he had seen Yanukovych at Barvikha and he looked haggard and had lost weight. The report, written under the bylines of respected journalists with high-level contacts in business and government circles, could not immediately be confirmed.

A security guard turned away two AP journalists on Thursday as they approached the entrance to Barvikha. The gated compound was built in Soviet times as a place where ailing government officials could rest and receive medical care. Yeltsin, Russia's first post-Soviet president, stayed there often as his health declined.

At the Hotel Ukraina, security was unusually heavy late Wednesday, with police watching from parked vehicles outside. Security guards posted at the door and throughout the opulent lobby tracked visitors and guests.
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RBK, citing the presidential administration official, said Ukraine's former prosecutor general, Viktor Pshonka, was still at the hotel and had checked into the presidential suite. On the hotel's website, the suite is described as meeting "the highest standards for security" and lists for about 340,000 rubles ($9,700) per night.

If he needs a new car, the hotel has a Rolls-Royce dealership on the ground floor.

Ukraine's acting government has warrants out for the arrests of Yankovych and Pshonka in the shooting deaths of dozens of protesters in Kiev last week.

Anatoly Kucherena, a Kremlin-connected lawyer, said Yanukovych's life was in danger in Ukraine and that Russia had no choice but to grant his request for protection, but it did not necessarily mean that he still had the Kremlin's support.

Kucherena, who spoke to the Interfax news agency, also represents Eduard Snowden, the former National Security Agency systems analyst evading U.S. espionage charges who has sought asylum in Russia, and often comments on legal issues.

President Vladimir Putin has not commented publicly on the situation in Ukraine since Yanukovych was driven out. The tone has been set by Russian state television, which has denigrated the Ukrainian leader for failing to stand up to the protesters and taking flight, betraying those who stood by him.

Dmitry Trenin of the Carnegie Moscow Center said the descriptions of Yanukovych in state media leave little doubt how he's seen by the Kremlin and Putin.

"I think he simply failed in expectations that had been placed on him at the time that Putin was giving him large amounts of financial support, of which $3 billion are in danger of being never returned to Russia," Trenin said in a conference call with journalists.

"The relationship between Putin and Yanukovych is well-known to have been a very bad one, with the Russian leader not having much respect for his Ukrainian counterpart," the political scholar said. "So I think that they will give him protection, but he is not going to be an active element in any Russian strategy vis-a-vis Ukraine in the near future.

[toad]

Russian senators vote to use stabilizing military forces on Ukrainian territory
Russia’s Federation Council has unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to use Russian military forces in Ukraine. The move is aimed to settle the turmoil in the split country.

The upper house of the Russian parliament has voted in favor of sending troops to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, which would ensure peace and order in the region “until the socio-political situation in the country is stabilized.”
http://rt.com/news/russia-ukraine-approve-miltary-371/

[Camilo]

Ukraine mobilizes after Putin's 'declaration of war'

http://news.yahoo.com/putin-ready-in...ance.html?vp=1

KIEV/BALACLAVA, Ukraine (Reuters) - Ukraine mobilized for war on Sunday, after Russian President Vladimir Putin declared he had the right to invade, creating the biggest confrontation between Moscow and the West since the Cold War.

"This is not a threat: this is actually the declaration of war to my country," said Ukraine's Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk, head of a pro-Western government that took power when Russian ally Viktor Yanukovich fled last week.

Putin obtained permission from his parliament on Saturday to use military force to protect Russian citizens in Ukraine, spurning Western pleas not intervene.

Russian forces have already bloodlessly seized Crimea - an isolated Black Sea peninsula where Moscow has a naval base. On Sunday they surrounded several small Ukrainian military outposts there and demanded the Ukrainian troops disarm. Some refused, although no shots were fired.

Russia has staged war games with 150,000 troops along the land border, but so far they have not crossed. However, pro-Russian demonstrators have marched in the east of the country and have raised Russian flags over government buildings in several cities, in what Kiev says is a move orchestrated by Moscow to justify a wider invasion.

Ukraine's security council ordered the general staff to immediately put all armed forces on highest alert, the council's secretary Andriy Parubiy announced.

The Defense Ministry was ordered to conduct a call-up of reserves - theoretically all men up to 40 in a country with universal male conscription, though Ukraine would struggle to find extra guns or uniforms for significant numbers of them.

"If President Putin wants to be the president who started the war between two neighboring and friendly countries, between Ukraine and Russia, so: he has reached this target within a few inches. We are on the brink of disaster," Yatseniuk said in televised remarks in English, appealing for Western support.

THREAT TO EASTERN UKRAINE

At Kiev's Independence Square, where anti-Yanukovich protesters had camped out for months, thousands demonstrated against Russian military action. Speakers delivered rousing orations and placards read: "Putin, hands off Ukraine!"

Oleh, an advertising executive cooking over a big open fire at the square where he has been camped for three months, said: "If there is a need to protect the nation, we will go and defend the nation.... If Putin wants to take Ukraine for himself, he will fail. We want to live freely and we will live freely."

Of potentially even greater concern than Russia's seizure of majority ethnic Russian Crimea are eastern swathes of the country, where most ethnic Ukrainians speak Russian as a native language.

Those areas saw more demonstrations on Sunday after violent protests on Saturday, and for a second day pro-Moscow demonstrators hoisted flags at government buildings and called for Russia to defend them. Kiev said Russia had sent hundreds of its citizens across the border to stage the protests.

Putin's declaration that he has the right to invade his neighbor - for which he quickly received the unanimous approval of his senate - brought the prospect of war to a country of 46 million people on the ramparts of central Europe.

"President Obama expressed his deep concern over Russia's clear violation of Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity, which is a breach of international law," the White House said after the leaders spoke for 90 minutes on Saturday.

Ukraine has appealed for help to NATO, and directly to Britain and the United States, as co-signatories with Moscow to a 1994 accord guaranteeing Ukraine's security after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

NATO ambassadors met in Brussels to discuss their next steps. Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen accused Russia of threatening peace and security in Europe.

SYMBOLIC RESPONSE

Washington has proposed sending monitors to Ukraine under the flags of the United Nations or Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, bodies where Moscow would have a veto.

So far, the Western response has been largely symbolic. Obama and other leaders suspended plans to attend a G8 summit in Sochi, where Putin has just finished staging his $50 billion winter Olympic games. Some countries recalled ambassadors.
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Military personnel stand guard in the Crimean port …
Military personnel stand guard in the Crimean port city of Feodosiya March 2, 2014. REUTERS/Thomas P …

"This is probably the most dangerous situation in Europe since the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968," said a Western official. "Realistically, we have to assume the Crimea is in Russian hands. The challenge now is to deter Russia from taking over the Russian-speaking east of Ukraine."

Ukraine's tiny armed forces would be no match against the might of its superpower neighbor. Britain's International Institute of Strategic Studies estimates Kiev has fewer than 130,000 troops under arms, with planes barely ready to fly and few spare parts for a single submarine.

Russia, by contrast, has spent billions under Putin to upgrade and modernize the capabilities of forces that were dilapidated after the breakup of the Soviet Union. Moscow's special units are now seen as equals of the best in the world.

In Crimea, Ukraine's tiny contingent made no attempt to oppose the Russians, who bore no insignia on their uniforms but drove vehicles with Russian plates and seized government buildings, airports and other locations in the past three days. Kiev said its troops were encircled at least three places.

Igor Mamchev, a Ukrainian navy colonel at a small base near the regional capital Simferopol, told Ukraine's Channel 5 television a truckload of Russian troops had arrived at his checkpoint and told his forces to lay down their arms.
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"I replied that, as I am a member of the armed forces of Ukraine, under orders of the Ukrainian navy, there could be no discussion of disarmament. In case of any attempt to enter the military base, we will use all means, up to lethal force.

"We are military people, who have given our oath to the people of Ukraine and will carry out our duty until the end."

Dmytro Delyatytskiy, commander of Ukrainian marines barricaded into a base in the Crimean port of Feodosia, told the same television station by telephone he had refused a Russian demand that his troops give up weapons by 10 a.m.

"We have orders," he said. "We are preparing our defenses."

Elsewhere on the occupied peninsula, the Russian forces appeared to be assuming a lower profile on Sunday after the pro-Moscow Crimean leader announced overnight that the situation was now "normalized". Russians had vanished from outside a small Ukrainian guard post in the port of Balaclava that they had surrounded with armored vehicles on Saturday.
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A barricade in front of the Crimean regional parliament had been dismantled. A single armored vehicle with two soldiers drove through the main square, where people snapped photos.

Putin's justification - the need to protect Russian citizens - was the same as he used to launch a 2008 invasion of Georgia, where Russian forces seized two breakaway regions.

In Russia, state controlled media portray Yanukovich's removal as a coup by dangerous extremists funded by the West and there has been little sign of dissent with that line.

Putin told Obama "there are real threats to the life and health of Russian citizens and compatriots on Ukrainian territory", according to the Kremlin's readout of the phone call. Moscow reserved the right to intervene on behalf of Russian speakers anywhere they were threatened, Putin added.

So far there has been no sign of Russian military action outside Crimea, but Kiev officials accused Moscow of being behind the pattern of violent protests in eastern cities.
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Military personnel stand guard in the Crimean port city of Feodosiya March 2, 2014. REUTERS/Thomas P …

Pro-Moscow demonstrators flew Russian flags on Saturday and Sunday at government buildings in cities including Kharkiv, Donetsk, Odessa and Dnipropetrovsk. In places they clashed with anti-Russian protesters and guards defending the buildings.

Ukrainian parliamentarian Hrygory Nemyriya, a spokesman to foreign journalists for the new authorities, said the pro-Moscow marchers were sent from Russia.

The worst violence took place in Kharkiv, where scores of people were hurt on Saturday when thousands of pro-Russian activists, some brandishing axe handles and chains, stormed the regional government and fought pitched battles with a smaller number of supporters of Ukraine's new authorities.

In Donetsk, Yanukovich's home city, the local government building was flying the Russian flag for the second day on Sunday. The local authorities have called for a referendum on the region's status, a move Kiev says is illegal. A pro-Russian "self-defense" unit held a second day of mass protests, attracting about 1,000 demonstrators carrying Russian flags.

Ludmila Petrova, 35, described the new authorities in Kiev as "slaves of the European Union" and said she favored Putin's declaration of the right to intervene.

"Maybe this will stop the hotheads in Kiev from bringing war to the Don basin and the Crimea. Maybe now they will think there is someone willing to defend these people."

[GlassSteagallfan]

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts summarizes the situation in Ukraine. An excellent interview for those who do not fully understand the dynamics behind the Ukraine uprising - or the idiocracy in Washington.

The scroll down to the mp3 link on the left side of the page:

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...g_Roberts.html

[Bartek]

Posted by toad (here)
Russian senators vote to use stabilizing military forces on Ukrainian territory
Russia’s Federation Council has unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to use Russian military forces in Ukraine. The move is aimed to settle the turmoil in the split country.

The upper house of the Russian parliament has voted in favor of sending troops to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, which would ensure peace and order in the region “until the socio-political situation in the country is stabilized.”
http://rt.com/news/russia-ukraine-approve-miltary-371/

You've got to be kidding quoting Russia Today as a reliable source. This whole site & TV is just Kremlin's propaganda.

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
I am so ****in tired of the US starting **** in the world. I mean really? They will not stop. Guaranteed they planted anarchists in these peaceful protests. I hope to God Russia does the right thing here. A no nonsense display of anti-war tactics impeccably displayed by our et brothers would sure drive a message home.

Seriously? Blaming US? Are US troops on Crimea at the moment? OMG.

You guys really need to do some fact checking:

Czechoslovakia 1968
Afghanistan 1979
Georgia 2008
Ukraine 2014

Find a pattern.

[Operator]

Posted by Bartek (here)

Posted by toad (here)
Russian senators vote to use stabilizing military forces on Ukrainian territory
Russia’s Federation Council has unanimously approved President Vladimir Putin’s request to use Russian military forces in Ukraine. The move is aimed to settle the turmoil in the split country.

The upper house of the Russian parliament has voted in favor of sending troops to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, which would ensure peace and order in the region “until the socio-political situation in the country is stabilized.”
http://rt.com/news/russia-ukraine-approve-miltary-371/

You've got to be kidding quoting Russia Today as a reliable source. This whole site & TV is just Kremlin's propaganda.

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
I am so ****in tired of the US starting **** in the world. I mean really? They will not stop. Guaranteed they planted anarchists in these peaceful protests. I hope to God Russia does the right thing here. A no nonsense display of anti-war tactics impeccably displayed by our et brothers would sure drive a message home.

Seriously? Blaming US? Are US troops on Crimea at the moment? OMG.

You guys really need to do some fact checking:

Czechoslovakia 1968
Afghanistan 1979
Georgia 2008
Ukraine 2014

Find a pattern.

Did you listen to Dr. Paul Craig Roberts in the previous post of GlassSteagallfan? I think that he was addressing
some serious issues there that sound pretty much as the truth to me.

Everything is subject to interpretation of course. I would like to hear what others think about it.

[Etherios]

Posted by Bartek (here)
...

Bartek ... i guess youa re a bit emotional and dont see things clearly.

Ukraine is just an area they dont care about them ... US/EU wanted to put their own people in the Government. It started long ago ... and they finally succeeded. So the response from Russia is all cause of the US/EU starting this ...

Both sides are wrong and the Ukraine people (alongside the rest of us) will pay the price. But to blame Russia for this is not 100% right and its just a programming issue "US good guys - Russia Bad guys" ... please try to get out of that programming.

[Operator]

Posted by Etherios (here)

Posted by Bartek (here)
...

Bartek ... i guess youa re a bit emotional and dont see things clearly.

Ukraine is just an area they dont care about them ... US/EU wanted to put their own people in the Government. It started long ago ... and they finally succeeded. So the response from Russia is all cause of the US/EU starting this ...

Both sides are wrong and the Ukraine people (alongside the rest of us) will pay the price. But to blame Russia for this is not 100% right and its just a programming issue "US good guys - Russia Bad guys" ... please try to get out of that programming.

Although facts need to be checked Dr. Paul Craig Roberts said (amongst other things):
- The guys who took over power now are a 3rd party, nationalists, not the ones they (US and EU?) wanted take over.
- Parts of the Ukraine used to belong to Russia, Chroestjev brought them 'into' the Ukraine.

If true, this will perhaps change the view (become more accurate) we have on the current situation.

[Etherios]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by Etherios (here)

Posted by Bartek (here)
...

Bartek ... i guess youa re a bit emotional and dont see things clearly.

Ukraine is just an area they dont care about them ... US/EU wanted to put their own people in the Government. It started long ago ... and they finally succeeded. So the response from Russia is all cause of the US/EU starting this ...

Both sides are wrong and the Ukraine people (alongside the rest of us) will pay the price. But to blame Russia for this is not 100% right and its just a programming issue "US good guys - Russia Bad guys" ... please try to get out of that programming.

Although facts need to be checked Dr. Paul Craig Roberts said (amongst other things):
- The guys who took over power now are a 3rd party, nationalists, not the ones they (US and EU?) wanted take over.
- Parts of the Ukraine used to belong to Russia, Chroestjev brought them 'into' the Ukraine.

If true, this will perhaps change the view (become more accurate) we have on the current situation.

well yes ... we still cant really tell ... but nothing is obvious atm. Everyside wants to to benefit from this ... I just hope they mess the Elite plans. If we break the Problem/Reaction/solution scenario they made ... maybe we can avoid the worst that they want.

[Operator]

Posted by Etherios (here)
well yes ... we still cant really tell ... but nothing is obvious atm. Everyside wants to to benefit from this ... I just hope they mess the Elite plans. If we break the Problem/Reaction/solution scenario they made ... maybe we can avoid the worst that they want.

Well if we understand more precisely what the Problem really is there might be a better defined Reaction or perhaps no Reaction at all ...
And if what Dr. Paul Craig Roberts said is correct than yes, the elites messed up the situation themselves ... so probably no ordo ab chao
But there is always the danger of 'scorched earth tactics' ... more chaos out of this chaos. And in the end the average people will be the victims.
So let's massively put our best intention to this and let their mishap be the cause of their exposure and keep the civilians over there safe.

[Bartek]

Posted by Etherios (here)

Posted by Bartek (here)
...

Bartek ... i guess youa re a bit emotional and dont see things clearly.

Ukraine is just an area they dont care about them ... US/EU wanted to put their own people in the Government. It started long ago ... and they finally succeeded. So the response from Russia is all cause of the US/EU starting this ...

Both sides are wrong and the Ukraine people (alongside the rest of us) will pay the price. But to blame Russia for this is not 100% right and its just a programming issue "US good guys - Russia Bad guys" ... please try to get out of that programming.

Yeah, sure I am emotional because I am living in a country that kinda has a first hand perspective on Russia since hundreds of years - wouldn't you agree? Can't really argue with history. But I don't think my judgement is somehow clouded. Don't get me wrong - I fully understand that there had to be intelligence forces from each major power in the UA since and before all of this started. But really, there is only one foreign military force in plain sight there, and we all know from where.

Putin's reasoning is without any merit - show me please any confirmed report of some sort deadly attacks on Russian citizens or ethnic groups in Crimea. On the other hand you have dozens of snipers' victims in Kiev - killed methodically, with aimed head or heart shot. Statements from medical personnel are freely available, mentioning Dragunov rifles. Am I to believe that these were EU/US snipers shooting to innocent people? We've been through something similar.

Today I hear that Russian national TV won't even transmit the Oscars gala - why do they fear what people there can say if their actions are truly legitimate and, heh, defensive, as they claim?

Oh and just to be really, really clear - no, I am not an EU or US fanboy. There are things that truly annoy me - about the EU, as well as about the US. But my main issue here are real troops from Russia invading Ukrainian territory. I can't understand how can you justify this.

Oh and one more thing. You said: US/EU wanted to put their own people in the Government - well then, it seems that Poland since 1989 is also in the hands of US/EU people... No offense, but do you get how ridiculous this sounds? Let me remind you that Solidarity was funded from the West, got broad support. Does it mean we should bend to Soviets back then? Because we got help from the West? Seriously? Why then should Ukraine now? How can you justify Russian troops there?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by GlassSteagallfan (here)
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts summarizes the situation in Ukraine. An excellent interview for those who do not fully understand the dynamics behind the Ukraine uprising - or the idiocracy in Washington.

The scroll down to the mp3 link on the left side of the page:

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwor...g_Roberts.html

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