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    This past weekend, I was with a friend who asked me some energy questions, the kind that I rarely get, and we talked about the Gulf Spill and Fukushima, and as I talked about how we get a lot of our energy here from hydroelectric (which I obviously have mixed feelings about http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run ), I also discussed the current energy sources, and she said that hydroelectric was the only one that was not “poisonous.” I had not heard it described that way before, but that is apt.
    Actually this is something that I have looked at in the past, when I was studying the work of Viktor Schauberger. I remember someone making the case that the current design for hydroelectric plants has a big negative impact on the habitat of the river where the dam was built. Fish that would thrive in fresh running water would not make it in a lake and those that did were usually in trouble when they hit the turbines. Also the environment after the dam was affected by the flow limitation and control by humans.

    So I would not say that it is not "poisonous", but it's probably least so.

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    Hi Ilie:

    Back when I was with Dennis, just before the raid, when it looked like we might have had a chance, my dream was leading the effort to dismantle all the hydro dams in Washington. Because of what the BPA did to Dennis in Seattle:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

    I am sure that he would have rather led the effort.

    As my essay makes clear, humans have not lived in “harmony” with nature since our ancestors learned to control fire. And “harmony” with nature usually means kill or be killed. With FE, humans can create a harmony and symbiosis with nature that has never existed before. This world has a harmony with nature that truly boggles my mind:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

    All of the “Golden Ages” that dotted the history of life on Earth, of which my essay lists many of them (Golden Age of trilobites, fish, sharks, amphibians, dinosaurs, turtles, mammals, the hunter-gatherer, and so on) were all about having energy sources to one’s self for a while. For all the other animals besides humans, the Golden Age usually ended when other animals evolved to compete or the environment no longer provided the support that was had during the Golden Age. With humans, the Golden Age ended when they plundered the energy resource to exhaustion, and also bred to the limits of the energy supply. All of that American West romanticism was about those wide open spaces (once the Indians were removed from the scene), and filling up the lands with “settlers,” but it was not such a Golden Age:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm#terrell

    The Western Hemisphere and Australia is still “underpopulated” compared to the Old World, because those continents were recently stolen.

    There is quite a debate on how even direct solar is bad news, environmentally.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...01421503002416

    http://solareis.anl.gov/guide/environment/index.cfm

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Are-Solar-...nt?&id=3998233

    Wind turbines kill zillions of birds, create noise issues, create turbulence issues, etc. Brian O eventually realized that the traditional “alternative” energy solutions did not cut it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/camelot.htm#udall

    Actually, Dennis’s heat pump was one of the most environmentally benign energy technologies on Earth, as well as one of the most effective. It is still the best heating system that has ever been on the world market:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#new

    Even FE has been questioned on the field that it puts out. It may not be safe to have under your pillow, but since it is suppressed as much as it has been, it is hard to say. It may be that FE devices may need some shielding or be placed in their own room in a home, but that is a small price to pay. In that world that Roads glimpsed, I am sure that there were no environmental problems at all with their energy generation technologies.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    Avalonians have long heard that I did not do forums anymore, until I saw Bill start this one. Some trolls that stalked me I could tell were professionals:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#troll

    and it looks like professional trolls have been part of the milieu for a while:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-deceive-and-d

    I am not going to play in any other forums ever again, except the one I start after I publish that essay, but I may also always have a presence at Avalon.

    Back to chores. Going hiking with a friend today. Spring is not far off where I live.

    Best,

    Wade

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    Hi:

    As I have stated, the parts of the essay that I am getting to is where the heavy emotional lifting begins. Last night, I finished a book on the anthropology of warfare. Virtually all anthropologists who study war study it in order to see if it can be eliminated or reduced. They often study the sociological aspects, and I often see the economic aspects put into a subordinate position, which I believe is a mistake. And as I finished the book, which the end was about ending war, the prescription from the sociological anthropologist was essentially, “Play nice!” Geez! I have a feeling that all sociological frameworks end up in totally useless “advice” like that. Political “realists” also assume away economics, which again I think is getting lost in the trees, not seeing the forest. Again, it is like Maslow’s Hierarchy. In a world of scarcity, people are going to try to gain their disproportionate share (or protect what little they have) and will fight over it.

    It has now becoming clear that the reason why warfare appeared in the archeological record as late as it did is that a “Golden Age” of the hunter-gatherer was taking place, as wide open spaces and easy meat were there for the taking. Only when the easy meat ran out, and there was no virgin territory to expand into, did warfare begin to become common. Again, I was amazed to see that that is what has emerged from the latest findings in genetics, great ape studies, and archeology.

    Time to go hiking.

    Best,

    Wade

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    Hi:

    As I have stated, the parts of the essay that I am getting to is where the heavy emotional lifting begins. Last night, I finished a book on the anthropology of warfare. Virtually all anthropologists who study war study it in order to see if it can be eliminated or reduced. They often study the sociological aspects, and I often see the economic aspects put into a subordinate position, which I believe is a mistake. And as I finished the book, which the end was about ending war, the prescription from the sociological anthropologist was essentially, “Play nice!” Geez! I have a feeling that all sociological frameworks end up in totally useless “advice” like that. Political “realists” also assume away economics, which again I think is getting lost in the trees, not seeing the forest. Again, it is like Maslow’s Hierarchy. In a world of scarcity, people are going to try to gain their disproportionate share (or protect what little they have) and will fight over it.

    It has now becoming clear that the reason why warfare appeared in the archeological record as late as it did is that a “Golden Age” of the hunter-gatherer was taking place, as wide open spaces and easy meat were there for the taking. Only when the easy meat ran out, and there was no virgin territory to expand into, did warfare begin to become common. Again, I was amazed to see that that is what has emerged from the latest findings in genetics, great ape studies, and archeology.

    Time to go hiking.

    Best,

    Wade

    Dearest Wade,

    I simply love your writing and musings about your life....

    I hope you had a great hike...going for a 12 miler today and you would luv it here...

    I am on page 7 of this thread and it is deep but very cool stuff and it is much appreciated!

    I wondered why anyone would troll you but now I know why....

    I did the gubernment thing for over three decades and the few things that ring true is that some folks are more equal than others and some are above any laws and that even when proven wrong no one in government ever admits to wrong doing....as it were....

    I am taking a bit of a break since your material is somewhat overwhelming and besides I am shopping for a new bicycle...to ride around on....like for hundreds of miles.....its a lot like hiking 'cept ya just can cover huge distance in a day....


    You can count upon those things and I luv your analogy of the PTB as Godzilla.....

    Nine

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    Hi Nine:

    Yes, my work is probably best digested in small doses. I got the Godzilla analogy from Steven Greer:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/journey.htm#greer

    when I heard him use it at our NEM conference in 2004:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#portland

    It is apt. Dennis called them the Big Boys, and when I write more formally, such as in my site and upcoming essay, I call them the Global Controllers:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#gc

    Whatever the moniker, they are all too real, but people will not encounter them unless they are doing “disruptive” things such as verging on making something like FE happen. Because of our past experiences together (he stepped on me, but I thwarted his effort, kind of, and lived to try again), Godzilla has not forgotten about me and I am sure that he keeps half an eye out for what I am doing. My goal is to get enough people up to speed on thinking comprehensively before Godzilla decides that he has to do something about me again. Dennis has been a bigger pest, but I am on still the radar, although what I am doing probably seems like harmless nattering from the peanut gallery, and I that is how I would prefer that he sees my efforts (and maybe he is right ):

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/risk.htm#graphic

    I am also going about this in a way where it is not easy for his assets to interfere. Bill has helped out in that regard, with this protected forum.

    Have fun hiking and biking.

    Best,

    Wade

    Hi all:

    I recently finished Nicholas Wade’s The Faith Instinct, and am reading Henry Gee’s The Accidental Species. They have plenty of relevance to my essay, and pose scientists’ questions on religion, sentience, and the human journey.

    Similar to humans having a “language engine” baked into their biology, humans also have a “religion engine.” As I recently wrote in a chapter draft, the earliest religious rituals were singing and dancing sessions that lasted all night:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post799635

    They were used to foster group in-group cohesion, largely to get young men ready to go kill people from the out-group. Organized religion has a very bloody past, directly-related to warfare, and “religious” human sacrifice is probably related to hunting and warfare, but began to increase as human societies became larger and the elites used human sacrifice partly as a way to terrorize the populace into submission. The sacrifices always had religious overtones, and sacrificing people at the foundations of elite-aggrandizing monumental architecture seems to have been a common feature among cultures, nearly universal. Animal sacrifices eventually replaced human sacrifices in many cultures.

    However bloody, superstitious, and primitive such practices were, there was a common thread to them, and it has to do with an emotional connection that is forged between people and their communities. Organized religion is a social institution above all else. On one hand, it has been used to hold societies together, and on the other, it has been used by elites to control their subject populations. All early civilizations had their elites claiming divine sanction for their rule. That can still be seen today with British royalty, even though the Divine Right of Kings was dismissed centuries ago. Less than a century ago, the Japanese religion was focused on its royalty, with the emperor outranking the creator. Japan and Britain are isolated island-nations and are still a little backward due to that isolation. Their more cosmopolitan mainland cousins gave up those elite-aggrandizing superstitions sooner.

    But the impulse for religion is baked deeply, even called an instinct, and probably the closest thing to a religious experience that industrialized peoples have is attending rock concerts, which harkens back to those singing and dancing marathons of the earliest religions. When the Beatles came on the scene, it was as if a new religion was founded, and John Lennon’s “We are more popular than Jesus” statement was accurate in ways that he likely did not suspect.

    Because of my mystical experiences:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#research

    I knew that there was something “real” at the heart of religious practice, even though it was abused by all organized religions, and is a rampant practice today in mystical circles:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#charlatans

    The materialists of science have missed the boat, worshipping their intellects and dismissing very dramatic evidence of not only abilities of consciousness that go far beyond rational abilities, but also evidence that the materialist models of consciousness rest on a false foundation. Organized religion is an easy target for scientists and materialists, and New Age and other modern mystical charlatanry:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#newage

    is rampant. But I see that as only more evidence that personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#burn

    not an invalidation that there is far more than meets the eye to creation. Scientists that cannot make the distinction are lost in the weeds, but the political arm of the scientific establishment, the “skeptics,” is perhaps the most dishonest group I have yet met:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#friends

    and that is saying something, and too many scientists look to the "skeptics" to see if there is anything to the paranormal. How foolish. That Mr. Skeptic has duped naïve FE enthusiasts:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

    is only par for the course, as it is regarding all worthy endeavors. Big names in the FE field lie shamelessly about Dennis:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#libel

    and newbies such as Foster avidly repeat the disinformation:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post621892

    either just being another member of the naïve crowd or stirring up disinformation knowingly. I do not know what the case is, but it really does not matter, as the outcome is the same.

    Brian O was a big advocate of scientific testing of paranormal phenomena:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#frontiers

    and Nicholas Wade ended his The Faith Instinct by calling for a new religion, one that incorporates the findings of science, that brings it up-to-date. In ways, his call is like that of many others who have been trying to bridge science and religion. While religion is about infallible texts and “faith,” which is believing something because they were told to believe it, and while science is materialistic, that union won’t happen. Both need to relinquish their certitude.

    While scientists claim to be motivated by doubt, not faith, their cock-sure beliefs about the materialistic assumptions of their “faith” amount to a dogma as deeply baked as it is for any religious fanatic. That is what Sheldrake was challenging when he was banned from TED, with the “skeptics” all over him as avidly as Dominican inquisitors:

    http://blog.ted.com/2013/03/14/open-...ert-sheldrake/

    http://circularstateofmind.wordpress...tegory/tedx-2/

    That human need to be “right” is one of our greatest failings, and may be fatal to the species. It is one of the hazards of becoming sentient. As with Einstein, Brian O, and others:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sentience

    the question of sentience is also addressed in Henry Gee’s The Accidental Species. Is humanity a sentient species? If we are, does it really matter? As I have stated many times before, we are semi-sentient:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#incapable

    and becoming fully-sentient, or at least achieving a much higher level than we see in the world today, is Godzilla’s greatest nightmare, and is also a nightmare for all those who manage the human herd. Whether it is some “guru” managing his harem and acolytes, or secular herders such as Edward Bernays:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#bernays

    milking the human herd is about the oldest “profession” on Earth, and Godzilla is merely the master shepherd of the moment, and the first to really be able to milk on a global scale. FE can help permanently break the flock/shepherd model of human societies. If people are not mired in scarcity, worlds like these beckon:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

    but while people live in scarcity and fear, they are easily herded and controlled, and slaughtered when they stop producing milk.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    I just saw this little news item:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...#axzz2uXhcrXa3

    http://news.yahoo.com/california-tow...235107533.html

    OK, it is anecdote time. When I was with Dennis in Boston:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#chasing

    one of my oldest family friends lived there. I saw the patriarch’s son last year, whom I met when I was four, when my family first moved to California. He is the oldest friend I have. When I realized that I had known him for more than fifty years, it made me feel a bit older.

    Anyway, I spent an afternoon with that patriarch in Boston. I am not sure if we talked much about my FE efforts, but as we talked, he said that the difference between the East Coast and West Coast was that on the East Coast the people feared the police, while on the West Coast people saw them as public servants. Even though I lost plenty of innocence during my LA days:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ned#post406928

    I remember being kind of shocked as he told me about that fear of the police. I had rarely encountered police, other than a few traffic tickets, and really did not know what to make of what he was telling me. We will likely never meet again (although I tried to last year, but the stars did not align), but if we had another talk, I would have asked him if he remembered his conversation with me, and would have told him that I lived on both coasts a number of times, and the authorities on the West Coast were far more corrupt than on the East Coast:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

    Nice thing to learn.

    So, when I see news like this morning’s, I sigh.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    This one has been gestating for some time, and there are few aspects of it that readers have not seen before, but I have not made a comprehensive post on it yet.

    Dennis is a self-proclaimed religious fanatic who believes that the Bible is the one and only word of God. I was never with him because of his religious views, but almost in spite of them. He is the greatest human being that I ever met, but he is still human. To me, his fervent Christianity is just like his fervent nationalism. When he was rudely disabused of the nationalist fantasy that he was raised with, he heard a voice in his head as he was about to pull the trigger:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#voice

    and it was not many years after that that he became a Christian fanatic. What those fanaticisms had in common was Dennis, not so much any intrinsic value in those religions. Nearly every time I am with Dennis, he tries to sell his literalist interpretation of the Bible, and I know that he prays for my heathen soul, and he does that because he loves me, and I really can’t get too bent out of shape about it. He is doing the best that he can, he lives honestly by his beliefs, and is the only person on Earth that I know of who meets these qualifications:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

    If Dennis had been born in Tibet, he likely would have been a fanatical Tibetan nationalist and Buddhist. I have no doubt about the voice in his head being real, as I have had mine, too, and the second time it spoke up (only when asked), it led me to Dennis:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

    I don’t call the voice in my head “God,” but just the voice in my head, and one that I don’t want to hear from again:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice3

    Was it my friend? Was it God? Was it my “higher self”? I truly don’t know, but it will have some explaining to do when I pass over and meet that voice’s author.

    Being an American, I have seen evangelical Christianity, in its many flavors, since I was a child. While I have never gone on my own volition, I have been dragged by others many times to their religious rituals and gatherings. I nearly always wanted to leave them as fast as I could, but some could put on a good show, and sometimes I would enjoy the show. But the religions I have been around are almost exclusively largely belief games that I want no part of, even while I can understand their attractions. But I would not even want to believe in the Christian God. The Christian God does not believe in abundance. Heaven is only so big, and I suppose hell will always be big enough for the rest. I saw a cult flyer once (in my LA days, before I became streetwise and never grabbed what was thrust in front of my face) that calculated Heaven to be about 300 square miles. And it was serious.

    Again, I have had many experiences that showed me without a doubt that there was far more than meets the eye to our reality, and that the materialistic models of consciousness are false:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#research

    but that sure does not mean that I am into sacred texts that need literal interpretation, or am into beliefs or “faith.” I have no use for that stuff. I suppose the closest thing to “faith” for me is that when I asked for the voice (after feeling like I was being backed into a corner), it responded, and I trusted it. I no longer really trust it, but I can’t regret listening to it. It sent me on the journey that became a life’s story that many find hard to believe has even a sliver of truth in it, but I am the person who lived it, and I know the truth of it. And my journey might, in some small way, help my species turn the corner.

    So, navigating those waters has been anything but easy, and I am about to publish an essay that may well be the last like it for this lifetime, and it will have plenty of “science” in it, while it also pokes some holes in establishment science and questions materialism.

    What I noticed about “skeptics” and other materialists is that whenever the subject came up of “paranormal” phenomenon, the scientists and skeptics almost never played fairly or rationally, which I originally had a hard time comprehending, as they seemed so smart. What they nearly invariably did was not look at the phenomenon by themselves, but they tried to connect them to religious beliefs, with their notions of “creators” and the like, and then made their arguments for dismissing the abilities of consciousness by equating evidence of such abilities with religious fanaticism, when they have almost nothing to do with each other, and are kind of diametrically opposed. In Logic 101 classes, that is called the straw man fallacy:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#straw

    It is really a false dichotomy, to either have materialism or fundamentalist religion. In fact, both are fundamentalist religions. I have seen materialists make this equation:

    Materialism = rationalism

    And any notion of trans-physical realities or abilities of consciousness that go beyond rational ability is dismissed as irrational. How irrational! Accepting the assumptions of materialism is not a rational act, and rejecting them is certainly not irrational, especially when a great deal of evidence calls into question those materialistic assumptions. It is really a very simple logical proposition, but it has been amazing to watch the irrational “skeptics” at work. What Mr. Skeptic did:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#libel

    could be called highly irrational, but as I watched him ply his trade over the years, it became obvious that he knew what he was doing. The “I am a blithering idiot” defense, or the “I have an irrational allegiance to my beliefs” defense does not hold water with him. He is consciously dishonest. Whether that dishonesty is because he is a functional psychopath or he is doing it as part of his job is rather irrelevant to me. What amazed me initially was how his “affable skeptic” act duped people in the FE field:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

    but psychopaths can be very charming and persuasive:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post800356

    at least for the naïve and easily duped. I eventually got pretty good at sniffing them out, and as Jesus said, by their actions you will know them.

    Hitting the bulls-eye with spirituality and religion is actually just like hitting the FE bulls-eye: only loving archers can do it. That is another reason why I say that FE and love are joined at the hip.

    It is possible to understand what might lie on the other side of the veil without having your own NDE, just like it is possible to understand the FE conundrum and what might lie on the other side of the FE divide without going on the kinds of life-wrecking journeys that Dennis, Brian, and I took (or Trombly and Greer).

    Time to go hiking. It is a nice day out, and somebody has to do it.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Dearest Wade,

    I simply can not keep up with you since I am a bit retarded yet of course I "feel" things and had some interesting experiences with Government....

    What I want to ask you is how can the existing power grid keep up with all the electric cars charging off of that grid? And more coming on line every day?

    Can the grid handle this?

    As an aside this might amuse you....

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=zi7eMnDEpfg


    A 200 mpg motorized bicycle....I bought one of those kits and put over 16000 miles commuting upon it and my coworkers thought I was crazy....It let me retire without purchasing another car.....he...he...

    Being thought of as crazy amongst a bunch of psyco's was a benefit of that.....

    Do you know what a "fixie" bicycle is?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-...ycle#Brakeless

    I rode mine without brakes...he...he...

    I rode one of those 60 miles per day in the summer and boy did that make some waves with some of my 300 lb co workers...he ...he....

    And since folks could not handle any of that I really understand what you are talking about socially with the concept of unlimited free energy....

    Again I am a bit of a retard but I got the point.....


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    Hi:

    This one has been gestating for some time, and there are few aspects of it that readers have not seen before, but I have not made a comprehensive post on it yet.

    Dennis is a self-proclaimed religious fanatic who believes that the Bible is the one and only word of God. I was never with him because of his religious views, but almost in spite of them. He is the greatest human being that I ever met, but he is still human. To me, his fervent Christianity is just like his fervent nationalism. When he was rudely disabused of the nationalist fantasy that he was raised with, he heard a voice in his head as he was about to pull the trigger:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#voice

    and it was not many years after that that he became a Christian fanatic. What those fanaticisms had in common was Dennis, not so much any intrinsic value in those religions. Nearly every time I am with Dennis, he tries to sell his literalist interpretation of the Bible, and I know that he prays for my heathen soul, and he does that because he loves me, and I really can’t get too bent out of shape about it. He is doing the best that he can, he lives honestly by his beliefs, and is the only person on Earth that I know of who meets these qualifications:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#howmany

    If Dennis had been born in Tibet, he likely would have been a fanatical Tibetan nationalist and Buddhist. I have no doubt about the voice in his head being real, as I have had mine, too, and the second time it spoke up (only when asked), it led me to Dennis:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice2

    I don’t call the voice in my head “God,” but just the voice in my head, and one that I don’t want to hear from again:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#voice3

    Was it my friend? Was it God? Was it my “higher self”? I truly don’t know, but it will have some explaining to do when I pass over and meet that voice’s author.

    Being an American, I have seen evangelical Christianity, in its many flavors, since I was a child. While I have never gone on my own volition, I have been dragged by others many times to their religious rituals and gatherings. I nearly always wanted to leave them as fast as I could, but some could put on a good show, and sometimes I would enjoy the show. But the religions I have been around are almost exclusively largely belief games that I want no part of, even while I can understand their attractions. But I would not even want to believe in the Christian God. The Christian God does not believe in abundance. Heaven is only so big, and I suppose hell will always be big enough for the rest. I saw a cult flyer once (in my LA days, before I became streetwise and never grabbed what was thrust in front of my face) that calculated Heaven to be about 300 square miles. And it was serious.

    Again, I have had many experiences that showed me without a doubt that there was far more than meets the eye to our reality, and that the materialistic models of consciousness are false:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#research

    but that sure does not mean that I am into sacred texts that need literal interpretation, or am into beliefs or “faith.” I have no use for that stuff. I suppose the closest thing to “faith” for me is that when I asked for the voice (after feeling like I was being backed into a corner), it responded, and I trusted it. I no longer really trust it, but I can’t regret listening to it. It sent me on the journey that became a life’s story that many find hard to believe has even a sliver of truth in it, but I am the person who lived it, and I know the truth of it. And my journey might, in some small way, help my species turn the corner.

    So, navigating those waters has been anything but easy, and I am about to publish an essay that may well be the last like it for this lifetime, and it will have plenty of “science” in it, while it also pokes some holes in establishment science and questions materialism.

    What I noticed about “skeptics” and other materialists is that whenever the subject came up of “paranormal” phenomenon, the scientists and skeptics almost never played fairly or rationally, which I originally had a hard time comprehending, as they seemed so smart. What they nearly invariably did was not look at the phenomenon by themselves, but they tried to connect them to religious beliefs, with their notions of “creators” and the like, and then made their arguments for dismissing the abilities of consciousness by equating evidence of such abilities with religious fanaticism, when they have almost nothing to do with each other, and are kind of diametrically opposed. In Logic 101 classes, that is called the straw man fallacy:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/critics.htm#straw

    It is really a false dichotomy, to either have materialism or fundamentalist religion. In fact, both are fundamentalist religions. I have seen materialists make this equation:

    Materialism = rationalism

    And any notion of trans-physical realities or abilities of consciousness that go beyond rational ability is dismissed as irrational. How irrational! Accepting the assumptions of materialism is not a rational act, and rejecting them is certainly not irrational, especially when a great deal of evidence calls into question those materialistic assumptions. It is really a very simple logical proposition, but it has been amazing to watch the irrational “skeptics” at work. What Mr. Skeptic did:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#libel

    could be called highly irrational, but as I watched him ply his trade over the years, it became obvious that he knew what he was doing. The “I am a blithering idiot” defense, or the “I have an irrational allegiance to my beliefs” defense does not hold water with him. He is consciously dishonest. Whether that dishonesty is because he is a functional psychopath or he is doing it as part of his job is rather irrelevant to me. What amazed me initially was how his “affable skeptic” act duped people in the FE field:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/skeptic.htm

    but psychopaths can be very charming and persuasive:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post800356

    at least for the naïve and easily duped. I eventually got pretty good at sniffing them out, and as Jesus said, by their actions you will know them.

    Hitting the bulls-eye with spirituality and religion is actually just like hitting the FE bulls-eye: only loving archers can do it. That is another reason why I say that FE and love are joined at the hip.

    It is possible to understand what might lie on the other side of the veil without having your own NDE, just like it is possible to understand the FE conundrum and what might lie on the other side of the FE divide without going on the kinds of life-wrecking journeys that Dennis, Brian, and I took (or Trombly and Greer).

    Time to go hiking. It is a nice day out, and somebody has to do it.

    Best,

    Wade




    Most excellent Wade....


    I could tell you some things but I won't....


    America has a problem with the fundamentalists and simple basic reality.....

    Your friend Dennis had wonderful spiritual talents and that is for sure and this is the dangerous part of all of this is that this is the American State religion.....as it were...

    This is the heart of many of America's problems and the more fundamental in ones religion the more violent and warlike one becomes....as it were....

    I would suggest a careful treading upon these matters.....

    And of course as always what the "eff" do I know....


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    Dearest wade...

    My problem with the fundies is this....I used to be one of them and they are truly scary....

    In Government and effectively governing one has to squash some of these things to keep things running....

    Yet many in recent government find some of these folks useful....as it were....


    And of course I am off on a tangent....sorry....

    If there was an abundance for the supply of human needs all of this would be a moot point....



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    Dearest Wade....


    Truth that:

    "It is really a false dichotomy, to either have materialism or fundamentalist religion. In fact, both are fundamentalist religions. I have seen materialists make this equation:

    Materialism = rationalism

    And any notion of trans-physical realities or abilities of consciousness that go beyond rational ability is dismissed as irrational. How irrational! Accepting the assumptions of materialism is not a rational act, and rejecting them is certainly not irrational, especially when a great deal of evidence calls into question those materialistic assumptions. It is really a very simple logical proposition, but it has been amazing to watch the irrational “skeptics” at work. What Mr. Skeptic did:"


    I have to really work and think upon what you propose and it is better than any graduate level course in philosophy.....

    I used to be a fundamentalist and when I outgrew such ideas I got much happier....as it were...

    Why does not Godzilla just use a bit of free energy technology and continue to let us make our monthly payments for energy use just make it a bit cheaper....as it were....

    And then move to a free energy society as the people develop....as it were...

    Nine

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    Hi Nine,

    I agree that Wade's thread has become very large and it is hard to even keep up, let alone read from page one!

    So for you, and other new readers I recommend you study this essay that Wade published on his website.

    Keys to Comprehending Abundance-Based Paradigms

    That essay is also full of links for stuff if you really want to go deep!

    Wade is currently busy writing a new comprehensive essay, focused around how energy powers everything (to put it simply), and so his late posts are about that and assume his readers are familiar with his writings.

    Enjoy the read!

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    I just thought of something:

    This is a quote from Wade's essay:

    Quote As oxygenic photosynthesis spread through the oceans, everything that could be oxidized by oxygen was, during what is called the Great Oxygenation Event (“GOE”). The event began as long as three bya and is responsible for most of Earth’s minerals. Atmospheric oxygen stayed at a few percent until everything that could be oxidized by oxygen was and, beginning about 750 mya (and perhaps as long as 850 mya), atmospheric oxygen began its steep climb to 20% of the atmosphere and beyond.
    In other words, life "terraformed" the planet and changed its environment, sometimes dramatically so.

    There is talk about balance and auto-regulation in nature, but that does not seem to be the case. New species, in new energy niches, have an initial Golden Age until the reserves are "burned up", and then they die off making room for the new kid on the block. None of them were likely aware of this process or showed any restraint. The only "natural regulation" was that when food become scarce or nonexistent same happened to its predator.

    From that perspective the human species is doing the exact same thing. It is preparing the planet for the next species that will thrive and have a Golden Age in an environment that will look little like the one we know today. If we manage to kill ourselves and take almost all of the ecosystem with us, we would just repeat a very old pattern. Basically this is what Life has been doing ever since it started here.

    Acquiring sentience may be the only key to breaking this pattern. But will that mean stagnation, freezing in time the planet as it is, for fear of change? Or would it mean evolution to something that we cannot even imagine right now.

    Anyway... humanity as we know it may not be around here for not long. Oblivion or utopia will make room for the next "kid on the block" adapted to the new conditions of life.

    And then, a future Wade, billions of years from now, will argue that "humans" unconscious as they were, just trashed their environment as everyone before them. But there is slim evidence that they may have reached some sort of "semi-sentience" and some of the individuals actually saw the Epochal event coming.
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    Hi Ilie:

    Real fast before I go to bed…

    You are getting at the root of what I am doing. Yes, can we refrain from doing what all other life forms have done: breed to the limits of the energy supply, and never even think about the consequences? Whether we call it sentience or something else, humans are on the same trajectory as all other life forms, which is using up the energy as fast as possible.

    It is a big and important subject, maybe the most important on Earth, and I will reply more tomorrow.

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    What was maybe not clear from the previous post was the the Great Oxygenation Event looked like "pollution", where the major pollutant affecting the planet was Oxygen. Then we evolved with Oxygen based respiration and suddenly what was pollution is now "essential to life". I was thinking that perhaps in the same way our CO2 and plastic and aluminum pollution may end up being the source of a Golden Age for a different species. . It looks like the next life form thrived where the previous got extinct by trashing it's environment.

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    Hi Ilie:

    I understand your point, and I am also making another. It depends on what way you want to look at it. A few years after Eugene Mallove died:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#portland

    I picked up a copy of Infinite Energy magazine, which he founded. It was a farewell issue by the editor who took over in the wake of Mallove’s murder. When I interacted with Mallove and asked him a few questions, he just said to read all the back issues of Infinite Energy, and all of my questions would be answered. He was a very busy man, but who would follow advice like that? Anyway, I got that issue, began reading, and was increasingly dismayed. That departing editor led off with an editorial that seemed like Julian Simon wrote it:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/simon.htm

    He led off by saying “all is well,” and challenged the idea that there is any elevated extinction rate today. I don’t know of one biologist on Earth making that claim. They estimate that the extinction rate today is anywhere from 100 to 10,000 times the background rate, and is only increasing. We are well on our way to having a mass extinction that might even rival the Permian extinction. The editor made several ignorant statements like that, and the other articles echoed the same thrust, and the worst was an article that lauded the increased carbon dioxide concentrations of the hydrocarbon age. As I write in my essay, carbon dioxide levels have been decreasing for 150 million years fairly consistently (at least until recently), and carbon dioxide starvation has been cited by scientists as the leading reason why complex life will eventually disappear from Earth several hundred million years from now. With FE, that problem, like many others, can go away. But that article said how much our descendants (if we have any) would bless us for raising Earth’s carbon dioxide levels, as if we were far-seeing saints.

    Of course, we are no such thing, burning up the world’s hydrocarbons with as much sentience as those oxygen-producing bacteria did when they oxygenated the atmosphere. I have also written in my upcoming essay that there have also been Medean effects, where life killed off life in mass extinctions:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medea_Hypothesis

    So, if animals and plants just produce their waste products with no concern for anything else, it can help, and it can hurt. But, for the first time ever, an animal can have no ecological footprint at all, or maybe even design its effect on the environment, and in a beneficial way. I vastly favor having no impact at first, other than reversing our damage, and down the road, when we have grown up, we can indeed manage levels of oxygen, carbon dioxide, how far Earth is away from the Sun, and the like.

    In this world that Roads visited:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672748

    they could have controlled the weather, but chose not to. Roads did not recognize any of the animals in that world. What does that mean? That is where human intention may have radically changed the ecosystems. I can barely fathom how they did it, but what I am certain of is that love made their approach possible. I would not want to live in world where genetic engineering and ecosystems management was driven by greed and fear. In fact, Roads gave us a glimpse of what that kind of world looks like:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post672115

    So, our egocentric, greedy ways may leave our descendants, if there are any, or new kinds of life forms after humans disappear, with a “bounty” of high atmospheric carbon dioxide, acidified oceans, aluminum cans, plastic, and other “blessings” that they can use up in their Golden Age, or we can wake up, become a truly sentient species, and have our actions guided by something other than greed, fear, and egocentrism. Love can change the course, both in our hearts and minds, but it would also be reflected in how we interact with Earth and our fellow life forms. I often think about that episode of sentient trees. How much of that sentience was just humans being able to raise their awareness enough to hear them, and how much was the influence of new levels of consciousness being manifested on Earth by truly sentient humans? As Roads entered that reality, the very atmosphere radiated love and joy, and his mentor said it was due to the:

    “energy of Love within this reality…The human energy field is a powerhouse that can be felt across infinity. Humanity is learning how to develop, expand, and express that power.”

    As I say repeatedly, love and FE are joined at the hip, in more ways than one. Unless a nugget of people reach that heart-centered sentience that can initiate the Fifth Epochal Event, it likely won’t happen. What the world definitely does not need is somebody becoming the Bill Gates of FE, or the John Rockefeller. But Godzilla realizes that FE means the end of his reign, so he keeps the lid tightly on FE and a multitude of technologies that can quickly send humanity toward that heavenly reality. As we have discussed, that hellish world was very much scarcity-based and they did not enjoy FE, so it looks like those Gray Ones took Godzilla’s game to new levels of “mastery.”

    The hells of the lower astral plane are full of “smart” beings:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#hell

    So-called intelligence is no great thing, not when it is wedded to a hard heart. The heart is the key, always. So, I understand your observation, all too well, but I am also pointing to what is possible if we truly become a sentient species. Heinberg has compared humanity to an algal bloom, which happens when nutrients are delivered, and then the algae reproduce with abandon and power the food chain until the nutrients were all used up, then they die off and the ecosystem goes barren again, waiting for the next nutrient influx, to do it all over again. Humans have been doing that with its collapsed civilizations, and the big collapse might be just around the corner, as we burn through all the hydrocarbons, and Godzilla’s plans include moving to Mars if it gets really hairy on Earth. Godzilla would rather destroy Earth and humanity than give up his power, which FE in humanity’s hands would do (the losing his power part ). It almost seemed like Godzilla was writing that Infinite Energy issue. We can do a lot better.

    To specifically address the Great Oxygenation Event:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxygenation_Event

    the cyanobacteria never “choked on their waste,” but they did drive anaerobes to the margins, and they have come out to play during anoxic marine events, which may have contributed to mass extinctions. Whether the Great Oxygenation Event actually led to a mass extinction or not is still debated. Nick Lane thinks that there is no evidence for an “oxygen holocaust,” and the evidence does not seem to support it, but others think that the oxygen would have caused a huge holocaust of anaerobes. That debate will continue for a long time, most likely. What few are arguing, however, is that oxygen allowed for more concentrated energy production, and food chains and complex life arose with the oxygenation, although people like Nick Butterfield challenge the “oxygen hypothesis” as far as it being the trigger, but more like an outcome. Following the controversies is a really good way to become familiar with the dynamics. As I have distilled that kind of information, I have actually presented some of my opinions on those controversies. I doubt that many scientists will take them seriously, and I really do not stray far from the consensus opinion today, but crossing those many disciplinary boundaries like I have has given me some perspectives that are uncommon, if nothing else.

    Where I will diverge, and even pretty radically, from mainstream science is in the areas of FE, related technologies, and the abilities of consciousness and trans-physical dimensions. But in those areas, I am relying on my direct personal experiences and the experiences of a very small circle around me. I am not relying on much at all that is not my direct personal experience or the direct personal experience of people in my circles, usually people that I know well, sometimes very well.

    So, to your points, yes, we could be just laying the groundwork for whatever replaces us after our self-made extinction event, and they adapt to using our trash to build their ecosystems, but if we acquire true sentience, it does not have to be that way. You are right in that we seem to be just repeating a very old pattern, but we can also change it if we become a truly sentient species. I am trying to help option number two manifest. It is also very possible that we could crash the applecart for nearly all life. If we destroy the ozone layer, for instance, it could end all land life, and only aquatic life would survive. Then in a few hundred million years, life might again colonize land. And encephalized land life might arise again in 500 million years, just when Earth can no longer support complex life. That is a very possible outcome, and there are others nearly as dire. Life may adapt to our trash, and maybe it can't. For instance, if we made Earth's surface highly radioactive, complex life likely could not survive, which could also extend to the oceans, and we are back at single-celled organisms, and it would take a billion years to get back to where we are, but it could take different directions and complex life might never reappear on Earth. Those are very possible outcomes, instead of something coming along and picking up the pieces of our self-made catastrophe. Humans have been uniquely destroying Earth's ecosystems like nothing else ever has, so it is hard to predict what might survive, and how it might survive.

    When I put up that previous chapter draft,

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post799633

    I said that it was very rough, and I just updated it with the current state of the draft, and probably won’t revise it publicly until I publish the essay. I particularly revised that last section:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post799636

    Hi Nine:

    My work is best digested in long stretches. I don’t want to sound like Mallove, but all of your questions have been answered on this thread. The best way to respond to my work is to digest it slowly, over a long time, and then respond with deeply thought out questions. Some of my best correspondents read my work for months and years before I heard from them. My work is not for skimming and stream-of-consciousness responses, but is best addressed by going deep, thinking comprehensively, see the connections, etc. Godzilla is a symptom, not a cause, and I really don’t pay much attention to him, other than when Godzilla's thunderstorms come through, I try to avoid the high ground and stay dry. I played lightning rod once, and I can only afford to do that once in my life, while Dennis takes the strikes again and again, which is kind of beyond my comprehension.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    I was just discussing this issue today, and it is a subject that is not a fun one for me, but it is Godzilla-related. When the Mafia decides to kill you, they will try their best, and when they succeed, it is usually a bloody end where nobody has any doubt that the target was murdered. But even the Mafia is far from being 100% successful. Dennis survived several mob hit attempts, and eventually earned their respect in one region to the point where they left him alone and no longer tried to kill him or muscle in on his businesses. But when the mob makes their hits, they do not try to make it look like something else.

    When Godzilla or the spooks try to murder you, especially when you are a free energy activist, fringe scientist, and the like, they try to make it look like something other than a murder that they were responsible for. They try to make it look like a heart attack, accident, suicide, cancer, random crime, and so on. They know that a trail of bodies is going to spook the herd, so they do their best to keep it quiet and make it look like something other than a Godzilla hit. They have quite a deep bag of tricks that they can use. However, when they try to kill you in those ways, they are carefully planned operations, and covering their tracks and making any successful murder look like something else makes it so that if their initial attempt does not work out, they will not keep on doing whatever it takes in that hit attempt to kill you. If the poison does not work, or you survive the attempt that made it look like a heart attack, they will not rush in with a gun to finish the job, because that would defeat the purpose of the operation, of which killing you is just one of their goals.

    Even if the induced heart attack does not kill you, it is usually enough to take you out of commission, and will kind of achieve their goal in the first place, which was taking you out of commission. It could also send a message where you then retired from the field, which was really their goal all along, whether by death, disability, or what have you. Again, they usually try the friendly buyout offer before they begin to play rough, on the FE front:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/advent.htm#ten

    But if their goal is death, and their first attempt does not work, which is not only killing you, but making it look like something else, then they retreat, regroup, and mount another operation. Their target is like the king on a chessboard, and they go about it very carefully, but it is not easy to kill people under those constraints, which is why somebody like Adam Trombly can survive all the murder attempts that he has. In summary, it does not work like when the Mafia does it.

    This is subject matter that I really don’t like dealing with much, as it gets conspiracists in a frenzy and it hits close to home. I am doing what I can so that I do not make it onto the hit list. I have all sorts of naïve people around me who offer their unsolicited advice about how I should be going about what I am doing, and almost invariably, if I took their advice, I would risk my life in several ways, with assassination being one of the risks. For instance, I will likely do some interviews when I finish my essay and start my forum, but if I decided to do the New Age and fringe science talk circuit, I would likely be risking my life, which naïve newbies cannot fathom, hence the kinds of unsolicited advice that they give me.

    I have very particular goals and a strategy, where I am trying to not risk my life or those that I end up interacting with. We will see how it goes.

    Time for bed.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    It is time to get cracking on the next chapter, but I was writing to a friend this morning who thinks that there may not be any hope for our species. I decided to make my reply into a post here.

    According to Michael, ensouled species that can manipulate their environments destroy themselves a third of the time:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#focus

    and they usually leave behind a devastated planet, which obviously creates a great deal of negative species karma, and all karma has to be balanced. That apparently comes with the territory of being an ensouled species. But the point of physical reality is developing consciousness, and if a species does that, the souls that had not finished their incarnation cycle (usually about 100-150 lifetimes worth of experience) have to pick another life form to finish their incarnation cycles. Michael also said that when a species destroys itself, the souls that were not finished will usually decide on a species that cannot manipulate its environment to finish their cycle, so they don’t risk that catastrophe again (usually on a distant planet, and I am not sure if it has to be in the same galaxy or not). According to Michael, there are presently a million ensouled species in our galaxy, and Earth has two: humans and cetaceans (in the way that Michael sees it, all cetaceans are the same species, but whales and dolphins play different soul games, with whales being more “mature”).

    One issue is if our brains are biologically wired to be how we are, and if humans can overcome it, and my reply was…

    I have been studying one hell of a lot of biology and anthropology in recent years, and I will read biologists say things like “evolution has a lot to answer for,” and I see the point. Being a man is a great way to rack up negative karma, and being a woman is a great way to pay it back. But warfare and environmental destruction have always been based in economics, namely scarcity. Remove scarcity and the fear and exploitation that comes with it, and a lot can change, and quickly. While I can understand the sentiment behind the question of if we are really a sentient species (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sentience ), we are, and while the USA is a declining empire with a lot of blood on its hands (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#fathers ), it is also an example of how industrialization and the resultant increase in standard of living (a vast increase) can help make societies far more humane. Scarcity breeds violence and environmental destruction more than anything else. Free energy can remove all economic rationales for violence and exploitation, and far more dramatically than how industrialization made chattel slavery and the oppression of women obsolete. A great deal of what seems to be human nature is really the human condition, which is greatly influenced by the economic situation. Also, human nature can change or be overcome by sentience. I have been studying warfare a lot, unfortunately, and all warfare has an economic motive at the bottom. I already knew it for modern nations, but it was interesting to see a bunch of anthropological studies conclude the same thing, whether it was studying chimps, hunter-gatherers, horticultural villages, or states.

    It could be very dicey whether humanity turns the corner or not. We are exactly at the juncture where that third of the ensouled species fail. I am told that I helped design Earth school, so devoting my life to my species turning the corner makes sense to me. On the human animal, Michael also said that men and women had greater sexual differences than 95% of all ensouled species, so Michael had an appreciation of the male/female divide and how much tension it has created. That kind of tension can create many karmic opportunities.

    That ended my response. My point is that the rigors of physical reality have shaped life on Earth, even as life has also helped shape Earth. But becoming a sentient species that can alter its environment brings great opportunity and peril. We can turn the corner or go down in flames, leaving behind a devastated planet. I do not know about you, but I vote for us turning the corner. Godzilla is playing chicken with Earth, but only because the vast majority of humanity is fast asleep, playing victim games, not creator games. One is based on fear, and the other is based on love. Love is how essence contact is made, in Michael terminology, and another way of saying it is that love is how species become truly ensouled and sentient. It is another way how love and FE are joined at the hip.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Hi:

    One more short one….

    I am always encountering scientists who are remarkably naïve about political-economic realities, even those who are multidisciplinary in their orientation. Recently, I read a book by a scientist who argued that Islamic nations were somehow a little more backward than the other Judeo-Christian religions in that there was no separation of church and state, so the kind of Islamic “backwardness” we see is a result of their nations’ religion. What that scientist was seemingly oblivious to is that a big reason for that seeming backwardness is that the West has enslaved those nations and actually forced them into that seemingly backward state.

    Take Iran. In the early 1950s, after World War II and the waning of outright colonialism, Iran formed a secular republic, and the US and Britain overthrew their government when the prime minister tried to nationalize their oil:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Ir..._d%27%C3%A9tat

    Then the USA and Britain installed their puppet. During the Shah’s rule, all democratic organizations were wiped out in the name of “anticommunism,” and the Islamic church was the only institution left. The USA and Britain very actively turned Iran into the theocratic oligarchy that it is today.

    Similarly, Iraq had long been the most secular Islamic state, and when the USA invaded Iraq:

    http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#invading

    which may one day be seen as similar to the Nazi invasion of Poland, the USA (with little buddy Great Britain carrying our bags once again) purposely destroyed all of Iraq’s secular institutions other than the Oil Ministry, so the USA actively turned Iraq into a nation where Islamic fundamentalists could come to prominence.

    So, when Western scientists make those kinds of “backwards” observations, their naïveté shows. That scientist was British, so that kind of blindness was somewhat understandable, but it really made his observations pretty worthless on that score, other than to point out how naïve nationalism can blind even “smart” people.

    Back to work.

    Best,

    Wade
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