Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Finefeather]

Posted by muthink (here)
We are in a prison of sorts, but its a self-imposed one. We are super-powerful beings, of that I have no doubt. And because of that power, we are using it to keep ourselves in this limited state. Right now, we are getting help from all over over the universe. But we are our own worst enemies. There are a lot of alien beings down here right now, walking around in human form and most of them don't know it. They are helping trying to get human beings out of this destructive cycle they have been in. They are working exhaustively to help us.

So many believe the ETs motives are sinister, but the sinister is within us. We are holding ourselves back. They don't want this "hunk of junk" called planet Earth. This physical reality, by the way, is not the principal reality. This is more like the "bottom of the barrel" to reality. It is a trap. The beings are trying to help us wake up to the flaws inherent in the physical reality. If we can reject it, we can get out. But getting super powerful beings (us) to reject it is proving to be very very difficult.

A most strange and puzzling point of view.
You believe we are “super-powerful beings”...in which case what would a super being be doing on this earth if it was so super powerful? And why would a super being be so ignorant to keep itself in this “limited state”? Why would anyone with the smallest brain want to keep itself in a prison if it was so powerful and presumably so advanced. This makes absolutely no sense and has no logic to it.

This thinking is probably the most amazing thing I hear almost everyday on this forum. We are super beings who some how have managed to get ourselves trapped on the earth by some really nasty bad guys who live in the astral....who fool us with white light and force us back onto the earth so we cannot get back to our super powerful buddies living just the other side of the astral ocean

Life is not an episode of Star Wars....so you can relax. No one is lost or being held prisoner against their will...and I am not referring to the physical world.

We come back here simply because our consciousness is not yet at a level where we are able to comprehend the higher realms we so desperately seek to enter.
We are babies at the life game and the sooner we all realize this fact the sooner we will all get on with our true goal and start to work on the growth of our consciousness which comes automatically when living and learning about the laws of the cosmos and of life, and the ways to unify with them, and the freedom which is gained by such actions.

The great trap is simply the extent of the illusion in which we have individually thought our way into.

Take care
Ray

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Posted by OnyxKnight (here)
If you find cyclical tabula rasa incarnation a bad thing, it should be a trap.

BST, Blank Slate Technology.

[Tony]

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Light in darkness.

In these dark times we mistake
the dark for light and the light for dark.

The dark is our confusion.
The light is clarity.

Ego is our confusion.
Clarity is our essence.

When we speculate
we do not know.

When we know
there is no need for speculation.

The blind lead the blind into darkness.
The light of clarity illumines everything.

The moment we recognise our confusion
the light dawns.

Darkness is a heavy heart.
Lightness is a light heart.

En-lighten up

Tony

[AngelArmy]

I recently saw the Simon Parkes interview and he said that when we die we shouldn't go into the light. I would like to know more about this. I have studied multiple NDE's online and this fascinates me. Where should we go?

[CaptnNemo]

Posted by starseed108 (here)
I recently saw the Simon Parkes interview and he said that when we die we shouldn't go into the light. I would like to know more about this. I have studied multiple NDE's online and this fascinates me. Where should we go?

Hello Starseed, I'm not really going to help but all I can say is that there was a thread not too long ago just about that and a pretty long one at it also...I just can't remember in which category it was...I looked for it but can't seem to find it & I don't remember the exact thread title...lol..That's probably because of the indian tobacco I smoke but that's a different subject...:D

But I'm sure someone will post the info pretty soon so don't despair my friend It's also a good subject to reflect upon ..I know for sure that either way, it's worth the try to just move away from the fake welcome home light & try to get back to the source directly...I will surely remember to try as hard as I can if it happens lol...

In the meantime have a nice day & try to make it your best yet...I know I try every day

Sam

[Synchronicity]

Well, hmm. He can have an opinion just as anyone else can. That doesn't mean that "going into the light" is really something not to do. Without going into it I would say telling people not to do that is a great way to keep people stuck here. And "the light" is simply a frame of reference and not something fake unless you are working with someone who is deliberately telling you to go to some fake something. The welcome isn't fake when people cross over. But to each his own opinion. And yes, besides other reasons, I have had NDE myself...I have seen ones afraid of the light, too. To each his own.

[heyokah]

Posted by CaptnNemo (here)

Posted by starseed108 (here)
I recently saw the Simon Parkes interview and he said that when we die we shouldn't go into the light. I would like to know more about this. I have studied multiple NDE's online and this fascinates me. Where should we go?

Hello Starseed, I'm not really going to help but all I can say is that there was a thread not too long ago just about that and a pretty long one at it also...I just can't remember in which category it was...I looked for it but can't seem to find it & I don't remember the exact thread title...lol..That's probably because of the indian tobacco I smoke but that's a different subject...:D

But I'm sure someone will post the info pretty soon so don't despair my friend It's also a good subject to reflect upon ..I know for sure that either way, it's worth the try to just move away from the fake welcome home light & try to get back to the source directly...I will surely remember to try as hard as I can if it happens lol...

In the meantime have a nice day & try to make it your best yet...I know I try every day

Sam

Here you are

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eath...-or-not

Start here for the White light.....

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show....-or-not/page3

[araucaria]

In a reply to a question on this subject, he says to focus on going 'home' to 'source'.

[seeker/reader]

On Simon's thread he answers some questions about the light and/or the tunnel here


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[Pam]

I think it is as simple or complex as you want it to be. When it happens trust your own intuition..I have read of many NDE's and all have experienced internal guidance. Would you rather take the word of someone else, especially someone that you don't know?

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi starseed108 I had an experience (3 times) that caused me much doubt about the 'Going to the White Light' But after asking Simon he quenched them,
now I totally say no to the 'White Light' I will go home to Source, as my signature now says! I will not be erased !

Here as just posted by seeker/reader are some answers to some of my 'White Light' questions to Simon, there are more in his two posts, ill try to find them when on my own computer!

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...031#post785031

[Hervé]

One way to look at this is to consider that, let's say for the last 10,000 years, there hasn't been much more than one iota of improvement on Earth from any of these dudes that went into that white light... when back on the ground... How come?

See?

10,000 years of prayers, hopes, incense burning, sacrifices, immolations, etc... and have a good look at where we are at.... I don't know about anyone else but I find that such an end result is an indication that there is something terribly not quite right.

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
One way to look at this is to consider that, let's say for the last 10,000 years, there hasn't been much more than one iota of improvement on Earth from any of these dudes that went into that white light... when back on the ground... How come?

See?

10,000 years of prayers, hopes, incense burning, sacrifices, immolations, etc... and have a good look at where we are at.... I don't know about anyone else but I find that such an end result is an indication that there is something terribly not quite right.

Yes Amzer Zo 10,000 years of poor erased Souls,
100,000,
1,000,000
Lost ERASED SOULS of Lost True Light and Love!
Each of those Life experience's and knowledge from them all (US) should have been brought back here in each Re-Birth, where would we be now Hmm?

[seeker/reader]

Here are some more posts from Simon where he addresses the light after death.

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[Jake]

Posted by starseed108 (here)
I recently saw the Simon Parkes interview and he said that when we die we shouldn't go into the light. I would like to know more about this. I have studied multiple NDE's online and this fascinates me. Where should we go?

Simon answered that in the interview. He said to demand to go to source,, or demand to go back to wherever you originated from. I have to agree with Simon on this... Although The white light is something very personal and archetypal to us, it can be mimicked by those with the energy and the motivation... There are processes that we go through after the death of the physical body,, natural processes that have nothing to do with Archontic types... But OUR view of death is much different than theirs... We have been cut off from our non-physical counterpart, and any form of non-physical existence MUST have to do with death. (It is part of the lie) I have experienced similar 'reconstructions' in my OBE adventures... Once free from your body,, whatever environment you find yourself in,, it is VERY thought-responsive,,, and you must proceed with a clear mind, or the experience will be completely augmented, and you will not see what is really 'before' you... Other entities have gained mastery over this type of deception,, and can/will project imagery/archetypes into your mind, which becomes your experience... This game has been going on since far before I got caught up in it!!! I can also say this:: There are natural arbiters of the 'death' process.. And I think it is safe to say that they lament being impersonated... Experiencing a physical life, as a human,, is fleeting. From a higher perspective,, birth and death happen almost simultaneously,,, a soul approaches Earth, then FLASH!!! It transforms into a different type of soul. The earth/human experience makes non-physicals quite jealous.!

It is liken unto the Wizard of Oz. The Wizard can pull off all types of deceptions,, but it is a gambit, a game, a lie!! And behind the curtain is a scared, weak little person...

"BEHOLD, THE LIE!!" ... And that is my take on the White Light,, and the NDE!!!

Love to all.
Jake.

[Synchronicity]

But some do see white light and they are headed to where they need to be going. There is a perception on the part of the dying person and one on the part of anyone who may be doing shamanic work or simply be with them at that time and have a different view of where they are going. If the light means to you that you are to go where commanded by another, I would agree that following directions with no consideration of your own feelings on the subject wouldn't be good, and I agree that many who help guide people might be giving inaccurate info or working without knowledge and skills to help. But that "white light" some see when they are actively ready to cross IS their source or home or whatever you want to call it. I don't see the problem as the idea of white light, but as lots of people talking about things that sound good on paper or in sound bites on some shows that makes them famous, but not actually working with people crossing or learning to help if needed and do it safely and ethically.

So perhaps he is talking about something different than I am talking about. White light isn't a bad thing...not essential, but many do see it, many don't but see something else, and some mainly slip quietly to where they are going. There is no one size fits all at death and telling people not to go to light isn't helpful in my view if you don't add the part about listening to your own intuition. Light can be great and really where you want to be, or it can be a charlatan telling you what you want to hear. The point I think is to listen and feel.

[sheme]

Don't worry you will go to the place that you are on a similar vibration to- you have no choice -it is the law of the universe.

Like attracts like and that is all there is to it, we cannot miss steps of development -we can only go one step at a time.

Aim for too high a vibration and we regress and are rejected.

However we may go lower to assist, but there are risks to this.

This is my understanding.

No matter how hard we wish to be something higher -we are what we are in the place that we are in.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
One way to look at this is to consider that, let's say for the last 10,000 years, there hasn't been much more than one iota of improvement on Earth from any of these dudes that went into that white light... when back on the ground... How come?

See?

10,000 years of prayers, hopes, incense burning, sacrifices, immolations, etc... and have a good look at where we are at.... I don't know about anyone else but I find that such an end result is an indication that there is something terribly not quite right.

This is more than wrong...it is almost blindness.
How many people do you think have been helped just by NDE reporting alone...where this light is mentioned...there are thousands of books out there...research is taking place.
There are videos and books all over the internet of how this experience has improved the way people think and have changed dramatically, for the better, since these experiences.

I hope you have one soon so you can get enwhitened...I mean enlightened

[Synchronicity]

And from the quote that Finefeather used I would add that this isn't true. Many people who have almost died have been profoundly changed and yes, they did and do grow and heal and try to help others. I had a NDE (well, more than one, but this one was the most profound and last so far) in 1987 and it changed my life forever. I didn't see a white light, but what I did experience intensified what I always was and it was really hard to come totally back. I guess I never totally did and that is fine with me, since I realized what my life's work is after it happened. I don't think it is anyone's place to tell people there is one "right" way to die and step through. I agree with Finefeather's post, too.

[Finefeather]

POST MODIFIED BECAUSE THE NAME HAS CHANGED.

The biggest problem IMO is that very very few people actually know who, or what, they actually are.

My understanding...for what it's worth...is that everything that we are, and ever will be, is right with us, right now. There is no out there or some where to travel to go to this 'source'.
We are each our own source...we just have a few layers wrapped around us which hide the true Self. When we die we just loose the physical body and change focus.

The white light is in our head and emanates from our core monad or primordial atom...it has been experienced by many enlightened beings and there are many who can see this during meditation as well.