Posted by heyokah
(here)
Posted by Agape
(here)
It's been discussed and will be discussed here yet many times and I'd encourage everyone disrespective of their religious backgrounds to get own copy of the Bardo Thodrol for full explanation about the process of dying, visions and lights you may experience . While living or leaving this state of human existence .
Hallo agape, thank you for your post, which gives me an opportunity to say something about the Bardo Thodol.
We are discussing here the different Lights that can be seen at the moment of transition and their 'realms' they could lead to, which by many is seen as fear mongering.
I've been a student of quite some Buddhist teachers during my life, among which Sogyal Rimpoche the pupil of
Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, which was my first teacher.
So I happen to be familiar with the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Bardo Thodol) and Sogyal's version, which is more suitable to the Western world, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying.
Reading the Bardos again, I can't see much difference in, what some members would call, 'fear mongering' between the Bardos and the insights of Robert Morning Star.
true
I will show you some Lights and Realms that are told to be there.... (I'm taking parts out of the text here, skipping most of the instructions as one can read them for one selves.)
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1. The First Bardo Afterlife Realm
The first bardo comes at the very moment of death, when there dawns the
Clear Light of the Ultimate Reality.
This is the very content and substance of the state of liberation, if only the soul can recognize it and act in a way to remain in that state.
The instructions intended to be read at the moment of the person's death are designed to help him do this.
a clear light, not a white light, there is a difference
Most souls, however, will fail to do this. They will be pulled down by the weight of their karma into the second stage of the first bardo, called the
Secondary Clear Light seen immediately after death.
2. The Second Bardo
If the soul is still not liberated at this stage, it will descend into the second bardo, which is said to last for two weeks. The second bardo is also divided into two parts; in the first, the soul of the deceased encounters what are referred to as "the Peaceful Deities.
-On the first day of the second bardo, there appears to the soul the divine Father-Mother - that is, the supreme deity of the universe, transcending all dualities, including the division into sexes
the existence in our down to earth god's cosmology of God represented as father/mother, STO lol
-On the second day, there appears the second-highest God in the Buddhist pantheon - in fact, he is actually the Second Person in the literal Buddhist Holy Trinity.
The son, Jesus, positive, STO
At the same time, there dawns
a smoky light from hell - the color is changing, maybe Djinns world; and here we note that, just as the Buddhist heaven is not a permanent, eternal state, neither is its hell.
Even the most wretched souls will eventually work their way out of even the deepest pit of hell, just as even the highest and purest souls will eventually lose their footing in heaven and descend again into the cycle of death and rebirth.
Liberation is the only way out.
Once again, if the soul responds to the
"dazzling white light" here the white light instad of the clear one[/B]
of the second God the son, Jesus or other, met with the joy of a pure heart, he will be liberated thereby; STO, love and joy to be emanating from oneself
but if he specifically reacts with ANGER from having indulged in this vice on Earth STS anger and fear emanating from oneself, he will recoil from the light in fear and be drawn into hell.
- On the third day; this time it is the fault if egotism STS that will cause the soul to react to the God with fear - fear emanating from oneself, and he will be drawn to the human world, where his next incarnation will thereby take place.
- On the fourth day dawns the God of Eternal Life; if the soul has a negative reaction to him because of miserliness and attachment - oneself emanations, he will be drawn toward rebirth in the Preta-Loka, a world of "hungry ghosts" who have huge stomachs and throats the size of pinholes, and so they wander about in a constant state of unsatisfied ravenous desire.Truly sounds like the archons feeding of our énergies relentlessly
-On the fifth day comes God in the form of an Almighty Conqueror; this time it's jealousy that will unseat the soul, and he will be born into the Asura-Loka, a world of fierce warrior-deities - aren't those the famous reptilians? (or demons).
-On the sixth day all the deities return and dawn together, along with the lights from all six Lokas.
-On the seventh day there appear the Knowledge-Holding Deities, who are more fierce and demonic-looking than those that have previously dawned; and in fact they are sort of a transitional element to the next stage of the second bardo, where the soul encounters the wrathful deities. deeper into reptilians
Meanwhile, if because of stupidity the soul cannot face the Knowledge-Holding Deities, he is drawn toward the Brute-Loka - that is, he will be reborn on Earth as an animal.
In the second week of the second bardo, the soul meets seven legions of Wrathful Deities: hideous, terrifying demons who advance upon him with flame and sword, drinking blood from human skulls, threatening to wreak unmerciful torture upon him, to maim, disembowel, decapitate and slay him.about perfect Dracos reptilians description
The natural tendency, of course, is for the soul to attempt to flee from these beings in stark, screaming, blood-curdled terror;but if he does, all is lost.
(Again, I left out the instructions.)
3. The Third Bardo
In the third bardo the soul encounters the Lord of Death, a fearsome demonic deity who appears in smoke and fireperfect description of the Djinns here, and subjects the soul to a Judgment.
If the dead person protests that he has done no evil, the Lord of Death holds up before him the Mirror of Karma, "wherein every good and evil act is vividly reflected."
Now demons approach and begin to inflict torments and punishments upon the soul for his evil deeds. little greys with their kidnap and thei r showing terrible earth events
The instructions in the Bardo Thodol are for him to attempt to recognize the Voidness of all these beings- thought in all the esoteric schools, including the Lord of Death himself; the dead person is told that this entire scene unfolding around him is a projection from his own mind.
Even here he can attain liberation by recognizing this.
The soul who is still not liberated after the Judgment will now be drawn remorselessly toward rebirth.
The lights of the six Lokas will dawn again; into one of these worlds the soul must be born, and the light of the one he is destined for will shine more brightly than the others.
The soul is still experiencing the frightening apparitions and sufferings of the third bardo, and he feels that he will do anything to escape from this condition.
He will seek shelter in what appear to be caves or hiding-places, but which are actually the entrances to wombs.
He is warned of this by the text of the Bardo Thodol, and urged not to enter them, but to [B]meditate upon the Clear Light instead; for it is still possible for him to achieve the
third degree of liberation -liberation from 3 D? and avoid rebirth.
Finally there comes a point where it is no longer possible to attain liberation, and after this the soul is given instructions on how to choose the best womb for a favorable incarnation.
The basic method is non-attachment:to try to rise above both attraction to worldly pleasures and repulsion from worldly ills.
The final words of the Bardo Thodol are: "Let virtue and goodness be perfected in every way."
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"Be not fond of the dull smoke-colored light from hell." - Tibetan Book of the Dead
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/buddhism01.html
From "Death"
The Stages of the
Bardo of Becoming
For most beings, the lights that appear now are pale in comparison to the vivid lights of the bardo of dharmata.
When we see them, we will naturally feel drawn to one more than others.
However, the instruction at this time is to refrain from allowing ourselves to be drawn into any one of these states.
The white light that appears is associated with the realm of the gods,
the red light with the realm of the jealous gods,
the blue light with the human realm,
the green light with the animal realm,
the yellow light with the hungry ghost realm, and the dark, fog-like light with the hell realm.
http://www.ralphmag.org/FJ/ponlop-reading.html
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Hello again, my friend. Once again, I must applaud your passion for truth!! I can imagine that if one has not experienced the White Light during an NDE, then one would not possess the knowledge it takes to have an intelligent conversation about it. I, personally have embraced a MUCH bigger truth,, one where I can see countless life forms, on countless planets,, in countless galaxies,, in countless realities,,, ALL PART OF THE SAME FAMILY,,, yet all calling each other ALIENS... 
"Don't you ever go anywhere again without a clear connection to Higher Self !!", (whatever HS is). If someone is talking to me, I've only heard it clearly and loudly a few times. Sometimes I think I'm here just to entertain Higher Self, as it smiles and says to friends "Look at what he is doing now!" 
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