Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Hervé]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
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.... My take on the tunnel is that it is a kind of vortex or wormhole. Not being a physicist I cannot accurately describe the technology.

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TLC

Apparently, and according to Andrew Basiago, similar electromagnetic tunnels have been manufactured by Earth humans to investigate "Time Travel"... as byproducts of the "Philadelphia Experiment."

It seems that it's a technology very similar to these "Jump Rooms" to Mars and elsewhere, etc.

In the end, this "white light" thing is no more than a last abduction with a different end destination...

[Synchronicity]

The fear-based part to me is reading tons of people saying all different things that are all the person's opinions and buying so totally into them that the person lives in fear, and I'm not saying that applies to anyone here since I don't know any of you and it's not my place to judge anyway. I know people who go through life in fear due to reading what this person says not to do and that person demands is the only thing to do. Some go through life feeling like soldiers, some go through this life feeling like the medics trying to help others go through this life. I've been through the white light to help people cross and make sure they are safe on the other side, so sure, could that be just my perception and some kind of trick? Sure. So could Simon Parkes' comments to keep people from the light. So could Courtney's comments be a trick and so could every other theory that can keep people running in circles. To me personally the battle involves not buying into everything everyone says when it doesn't feel right to me. Could I be tricked? Sure...we all could be tricked.

Some may be warriors who are fighting one battle and that is fine, but some may not be here to be warriors this time or may be fighting a completely different battle. And what if the way through the maze is to listen to our own guides and intuition and not all the noise of various conflicting theories? I have no idea and am not saying anyone else's way is wrong, but just that all the theories can't be right at once, just as all the religions can't be the only right one and all the political groups can't be the only right way to think.

So for me personally I think it's to each her/his own and I'm going to do what I do and live my life. I wish the best to everyone else and healing and peace to those who want it, too.

[Agape]

Posted by heyokah (here)

From "Death"
The Stages of the
Bardo of Becoming

For most beings, the lights that appear now are pale in comparison to the vivid lights of the bardo of dharmata.

When we see them, we will naturally feel drawn to one more than others.
However, the instruction at this time is to refrain from allowing ourselves to be drawn into any one of these states.

The white light that appears is associated with the realm of the gods, the red light with the realm of the jealous gods, the blue light with the human realm, the green light with the animal realm, the yellow light with the hungry ghost realm, and the dark, fog-like light with the hell realm.

http://www.ralphmag.org/FJ/ponlop-reading.html

Thank you for contribution Heyokah ,

I'll add only couple of short points right at the moment ...

vis the Clear Light of Mind : I've tried to explain the meaning of this two or three times at this very board ,

the latest 'parental post' can be found in another Simons' thread : https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post794641

another one is buried somewhere in Spirituality section in thread devoted entirely to the same discussion which indeed began with someone asking about a statement/quote from Robert Morningsky .

Esoteric texts of all traditions are confusing and it's sometimes done 'for purpose' .

Such as it is with descriptions of meditation stages and 'samadhis' , in all kinds of traditions, firstly .. the words to describe sublimity of these states and experiences are often difficult to find ..so we use metaphors .
While we use metaphors .. certain part of audience ( classroom ) are able to get meaning /direct insight to that metaphor while the rest will pick up on words or note them down , and interpret them literally .

So it happens with about every sort of communication and medial transmission we can possible have , as human beings and I'm afraid , even beyond this Planet .

Missing the true meaning of what's possibly being conveyed by someone tends to be grave error at the end .


The whole benefit of the Bardo Thodrol and many other such profound texts ( I'd really encourage everyone with serious interest in their own and others psycho-spiritual evolution to read the original /translation of the Book ) is that you can and are expected to practise the meditation on these states while abiding in this 'Bardo of Existence' ,
a Dream of Human Awareness as we tend to experience it here . Whatever we call 'human awareness' and awakening is but one such a 'Bardo' , state of consciousness that is ephemeral and lasts only as long as we remain practically attached to functions of this human body .
Naturally, when this body dissipates the state of consciousness changes .


It's said that there is no need of 'transference' and no 'afterlife' Bardo states for Masters who realised profound detachment from this human body and every other form of corporeal existence .

The only reason why we experience some of those states ( lights and apparitions ) is our attachment to some worldly pursuits and missions. No matter what we love here we're bound to lose it .

Now let me tell you this one .. to general reader again, since I don't know how many of you have had teachers and done some genuine practise of the topic ..

to an average but diligent meditator , it takes years to recognise the difference between 'true states' and 'illusory states' of mind , and the different 'lights' that 's been discussed here .

There are 'secret signs' described in old meditation texts associated with certain achievements,

starting with what you call 'dazzling white light' ( like if you happen to look to the bright Sun at noon and would lost consciousness ) ,

'all red light' ( that's like being absorbed by intense colors of red sunset )

'dark light' ( that's called 'all black' and there's no light and no object to be seen in such state of mind at all )

then there are states of 'seeing fireflies' ,

( again, the profundity of such meditation state can not match a chance experience of being 'dizzy ' and seeing fireflies )


'seeing mirage' and 'deep blue drop' .

I'm sure I've omitted few and there's much more to this than can be explained in short but what I wish to stress again is that such experiences are but a milestones on long journey .

They may even freak you out , with their depth and realistic impression..however .. many more people get scared of much lesser apparitions and mind states ,
and for any genuine meditation practitioner, guidance of accomplished teacher is priceless .

With mere reading of books and scriptures you may become knowledgeable , collect lots of information , or even become great scholar

but none of it grants you solid wisdom and experience of the Path.

The trick is .. that while experiencing some of these profound states of mind, with correct motivation and guidance , the depth of your wisdom and understanding forever changes .

The journey is long .. and steps and changes to go through are many .

Too many people get so excited after their first samadhi that they actually think of themselves as very lucky and enlightened people for several years .


Also , it should be said .. that trying some of these things at home.. while you're immersed in some kind of busy and stressful curriculum can feel rather disturbing , instead of 'spiritual' .
One good reason why people use/d to go for long meditation retreats to monasteries or lonely caves and searched for genuine masters and guidance .

It's not 'all easy' to do when your wife and kids , and boss shout from kitchen and TV has to be on , and bills have to payed .

There's a price of everything .. including our evolution..

[outerheaven]

Posted by Calamus (here)
Consider that when some of you get to SOURCE, that SOURCE might just be your Higher Self, and it might say "Nice try ... you did pretty good, but we have more work to do down there."

Are some of us trying to find an easy way out of the work we're here to do, which is MAINLY to spread love to dissipate the 'fear' clouds that bind us all here? I truly think there is a greater purpose we're missing, and it has something to do with Spiritual Evolution, where this painful Human stage is part of it. A little part of it, actually. We'll see! lol!

Very good series of posts Calamus, thank you.

When I first read about the white light trap theory, it exhausted and depressed me. It really does make everything here & now seem so hopeless.

The "solution" seems to be to subscribe to the ideology that perpetuates the implanting alien story, so that one can learn the ways of removing said implants. In other words, take that negative belief/fear, and send it even deeper into your being and make it a central part of your existence ... in order to overcome it. It feels like the entry point of a very negative set of beliefs. I'd have to essentially over-write my current ideology in order to make room for this one ... while it lacks the necessary "ring of truth" to inspire me on that path.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that means it's automatically untrue. I could have my head stuck in the sand, refusing to hear the truth and accept the shock and pain before I can begin down the road to recovery -- similar to the people who don't want to look at the myriad evidence about false flags, etc.

My defense aligns similarly to greybeard's sentiment; if a belief doesn't have the ring of truth, or somehow empower/improve myself, I'm not likely to accept it. I'm of the opinion that ultimately, underneath all of this Matrix programming (this includes implanter-and-implantee aliens, BTW!) and the reality we experience every day, the simple truth is that we manifest the reality we expect. If our reality is manifested by our beliefs, why should I include in my beliefs a hopeless, depressing view of us caught in a cycle of futile existence as alien slaves, from which there is no escape?

Massaging this idea further, it's funny how easily the "white light is a trap" belief can be seen as a negatively-oriented version of the truth that many around here already subscribe to. How many of you believe in reincarnation? How many of you feel like you have full recall of all that you ever experienced in a past life? How many of you believe in the return to Source, followed by a review of lessons learned and not learned? How many believe that we continue this cycle until we don't need it any longer?

So then it's not a stretch to say that many already believe that our memories ARE wiped upon reaching the white light, and will continue to be wiped, until we no longer need this process. All that's missing from this viewpoint is the evil implanting aliens! And supposing that the implanting aliens were true -- then that must be what we need to realize before we can graduate from this cycle, eh? So then, if this view were correct, those that subscribe to it would be further ahead than me in the process of working on themselves to end the cycle -- well, so be it, and godspeed!

In the end, IMO, all things will return to One/Source, one way or another. I accept that openly, and see little reason to fear the process, whatever it may be.

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As an aside ... I had what felt like a productive meditation on "the white light" phenomenon a little ways back, before I was sure what to make of it but after the emotional turmoil had subsided. What I finally saw in that meditation is similar to the idea you described in this post, Calamus: the tunnel is the path from your physical body to your higher self/Source/the white light. (I've heard OBEs describe the light body being connected to the physical body via a "golden thread." Perhaps this is what we "travel" through to reach Source/One/whatever when we pass over?)

[jackovesk]

I haven't weighed in on this conversation as yet, although I think I helped start it.

Because I came to a conclusion some time ago...

To Walk into the "Light" or Not Walk into the "Light"...

After weighing up both options, I will be using my own (Judgement/Intuition) when the time arises and I expect when faced with that decision it will be the right One...

[Agape]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
When my son passed, I had a private funeral with close family members and then a mass open to the public. It was when his coffin was placed into the hearse, I lost it in the car. With my head in my lap, I screeched out of anger and pain. But there was another part of me that watched myself travel down a semi-dark tunnel. There was enough golden light to catch glimpses of a cave-like brown terrain. It was a silent and peaceful place/state.

What does this have to do with manipulation, trickery, and white light? How does loss compare with personal death or NDE experience? For me, it’s the raw, unedited experience that is enough for me to know that I’ll flow within clarity rather than fear of the unknown. I know it's possible to live that silent-peace without trauma induced experience. Which in turn opens heart and fosters clarity of mind.

RunningDeer <3

I think it's only the Heart that knows the right answer

[Synchronicity]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
When my son passed, I had a private funeral with close family members and then a mass open to the public. It was when his coffin was placed into the hearse, I lost it in the car. With my head in my lap, I screeched out of anger and pain. But there was another part of me that watched myself travel down a semi-dark tunnel. There was enough golden light to catch glimpses of a cave-like brown terrain. It was a silent and peaceful place/state.

What does this have to do with manipulation, trickery, and white light? How does loss compare with personal death or NDE experience? For me, it’s the raw, unedited experience that is enough for me to know that I’ll flow within clarity rather than fear of the unknown. I know it's possible to live that silent-peace without trauma induced experience. Which in turn opens heart and fosters clarity of mind.

RunningDeer <3

Thank you for sharing that with us. You gave me much to think about.

During my NDE experience I saw no light. I was in a place I didn't want to leave...peaceful, calm, cave-like, and I knew people who had passed were in the distance but not where I could see them. They kept working on me and calling me back, and I was also in the hospital hall, up over them watching them work on my body, seeing the energies of patients wandering halls, noticing the doctor's tag hanging out of his shirt, and then I was back in that neutral and wonderful place I didn't want to leave.

Obviously I came back, but not completely. I'm not afraid of death at all and I have felt and seen many take that journey without fear or any battle, stepped with them if needed and saw no trickery or struggle. The experience is amazing and not traumatic at all. I can't speak for what I haven't experienced, but as you said, the raw, unedited experience is what I have to go on and I have never had any reason to doubt all the peace I have felt from so many over the years. Peace to you, RunningDear.

[Delight]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
Could I be tricked? Sure...we all could be tricked.

Some may be warriors who are fighting one battle and that is fine, but some may not be here to be warriors this time or may be fighting a completely different battle. And what if the way through the maze is to listen to our own guides and intuition and not all the noise of various conflicting theories? I have no idea and am not saying anyone else's way is wrong, but just that all the theories can't be right at once, just as all the religions can't be the only right one and all the political groups can't be the only right way to think.

So for me personally I think it's to each her/his own and I'm going to do what I do and live my life. I wish the best to everyone else and healing and peace to those who want it, too.

I enjoy your posts because they ask good questions. I appreciate the inclusiveness of your best wishes. Could it be the case that we choose to be tricked as one particular theme. After all, there is that Trickster (holy scam artist) archetype that calls for willing victims to play a role. The Abscam story underlying "American Hustle" was an entrapment tale. It was evident that entrapment is hard to withstand without strong principles. So a person of "principle" is IMO what we become more and more in the path. We become less and less involved in the collective story.

Example of a scam might be...if you give me "$5000 today, I will guarantee you back $50,000. This illogic appeals to all kinds of avarice. It was apparently very attractive to many who were suckered willingly (some twice). Poverty consciousness prevails until the being gets reconnected to infinite supply. IMO that is actually proof of benevolence in the Universe.

I suspect that any aspect of the "MANIPULATION FROM OUTSIDE" political and the exopolitical tales are locked in low frequency themes. They all seem to be about "taking" because there is no understanding of infinite supply.

To take grasping because one does not already own, to steal because one can "by virtue of my opportune position to take" has no SELF confidence or well being. This lack will manifest and greater poverty appear to be the case as in more strife, hunger, stealing, warring. Like alcoholics all do when seeking the anti-spirit cure one reaches bottom. One will accept utter defeat for a larger purpose.

IMO, we have a great opportunity to open up our channels and the stronger this tide of inner principles mastered, the louder the voices offering a sale on lies. When one has been through the scam mill long enough, one just will not be enticed. That is just duality change. I am almost positive that Leonard Cohen was right on in Anthem. We come to love like a refugee when sick and tired of being sick and tired.

The birds they sang at the break of day
"Start again", I heard them say
Don't dwell on what has passed away
Or what is yet to be

Ah, the wars they will be fought again
The holy dove, she will be caught again
Bought and sold and bought again
The dove is never free

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in

We asked for signs, the signs were sent
The birth betrayed, the marriage spent
Yeah, the widowhood of every government
Signs for all to see

I can't run no more with that lawless crowd
While the killers in high places say their prayers out loud
But they've summoned, they've summoned up a thundercloud
And they're going to hear from me

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in

You can add up the parts, you won't have the sum
You can strike up the march, there is no drum
Every heart, every heart to love will come
But like a refugee

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in

Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in

That's how the light gets in
That's how the light gets in

Read more: Leonard Cohen - Anthem Lyrics | MetroLyrics

[heyokah]

Posted by Flash (here)
I find this sooo interesting, this Bardo book. We could correlate almost every step of dying and what is encountered with the cosmogony of archons, reptilians, mantids, pleaiadians, etc talked about in this forum lol.

What i conclude is that we are dealing with archétypes of human on earth, the process being the same over time and groups. Are we to accept this creation of our minds or are we to look in the clear light, in which you se everything but are not blinded - the check point is "do i see everything there is or am I blinded by the light? (not the white one).

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by Agape (here)


It's been discussed and will be discussed here yet many times and I'd encourage everyone disrespective of their religious backgrounds to get own copy of the Bardo Thodrol for full explanation about the process of dying, visions and lights you may experience . While living or leaving this state of human existence .

Hallo agape, thank you for your post, which gives me an opportunity to say something about the Bardo Thodol.
We are discussing here the different Lights that can be seen at the moment of transition and their 'realms' they could lead to, which by many is seen as fear mongering.

I've been a student of quite some Buddhist teachers during my life, among which Sogyal Rimpoche the pupil of Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche, which was my first teacher.
So I happen to be familiar with the Tibetan Book of the Dead (Bardo Thodol) and Sogyal's version, which is more suitable to the Western world, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying.


Reading the Bardos again, I can't see much difference in, what some members would call, 'fear mongering' between the Bardos and the insights of Robert Morning Star. true
I will show you some Lights and Realms that are told to be there.... (I'm taking parts out of the text here, skipping most of the instructions as one can read them for one selves.)

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1. The First Bardo Afterlife Realm
The first bardo comes at the very moment of death, when there dawns the Clear Light of the Ultimate Reality.
This is the very content and substance of the state of liberation, if only the soul can recognize it and act in a way to remain in that state.
The instructions intended to be read at the moment of the person's death are designed to help him do this.

a clear light, not a white light, there is a difference

Most souls, however, will fail to do this. They will be pulled down by the weight of their karma into the second stage of the first bardo, called the Secondary Clear Light seen immediately after death.

2. The Second Bardo
If the soul is still not liberated at this stage, it will descend into the second bardo, which is said to last for two weeks. The second bardo is also divided into two parts; in the first, the soul of the deceased encounters what are referred to as "the Peaceful Deities.

-On the first day of the second bardo, there appears to the soul the divine Father-Mother - that is, the supreme deity of the universe, transcending all dualities, including the division into sexes the existence in our down to earth god's cosmology of God represented as father/mother, STO lol
-On the second day, there appears the second-highest God in the Buddhist pantheon - in fact, he is actually the Second Person in the literal Buddhist Holy Trinity. The son, Jesus, positive, STO

At the same time, there dawns a smoky light from hell - the color is changing, maybe Djinns world; and here we note that, just as the Buddhist heaven is not a permanent, eternal state, neither is its hell.

Even the most wretched souls will eventually work their way out of even the deepest pit of hell, just as even the highest and purest souls will eventually lose their footing in heaven and descend again into the cycle of death and rebirth.
Liberation is the only way out.

Once again, if the soul responds to the "dazzling white light" here the white light instad of the clear one[/B]

of the second God the son, Jesus or other, met with the joy of a pure heart, he will be liberated thereby; STO, love and joy to be emanating from oneself

but if he specifically reacts with ANGER from having indulged in this vice on Earth STS anger and fear emanating from oneself, he will recoil from the light in fear and be drawn into hell.

- On the third day; this time it is the fault if egotism STS that will cause the soul to react to the God with fear - fear emanating from oneself, and he will be drawn to the human world, where his next incarnation will thereby take place.


- On the fourth day dawns the God of Eternal Life; if the soul has a negative reaction to him because of miserliness and attachment - oneself emanations, he will be drawn toward rebirth in the Preta-Loka, a world of "hungry ghosts" who have huge stomachs and throats the size of pinholes, and so they wander about in a constant state of unsatisfied ravenous desire.Truly sounds like the archons feeding of our énergies relentlessly


-On the fifth day comes God in the form of an Almighty Conqueror; this time it's jealousy that will unseat the soul, and he will be born into the Asura-Loka, a world of fierce warrior-deities - aren't those the famous reptilians? (or demons).

-On the sixth day all the deities return and dawn together, along with the lights from all six Lokas.

-On the seventh day there appear the Knowledge-Holding Deities, who are more fierce and demonic-looking than those that have previously dawned; and in fact they are sort of a transitional element to the next stage of the second bardo, where the soul encounters the wrathful deities. deeper into reptilians

Meanwhile, if because of stupidity the soul cannot face the Knowledge-Holding Deities, he is drawn toward the Brute-Loka - that is, he will be reborn on Earth as an animal.

In the second week of the second bardo, the soul meets seven legions of Wrathful Deities: hideous, terrifying demons who advance upon him with flame and sword, drinking blood from human skulls, threatening to wreak unmerciful torture upon him, to maim, disembowel, decapitate and slay him.about perfect Dracos reptilians description


The natural tendency, of course, is for the soul to attempt to flee from these beings in stark, screaming, blood-curdled terror;but if he does, all is lost.

(Again, I left out the instructions.)

3. The Third Bardo
In the third bardo the soul encounters the Lord of Death, a fearsome demonic deity who appears in smoke and fireperfect description of the Djinns here, and subjects the soul to a Judgment.

If the dead person protests that he has done no evil, the Lord of Death holds up before him the Mirror of Karma, "wherein every good and evil act is vividly reflected."

Now demons approach and begin to inflict torments and punishments upon the soul for his evil deeds. little greys with their kidnap and thei r showing terrible earth events

The instructions in the Bardo Thodol are for him to attempt to recognize the Voidness of all these beings- thought in all the esoteric schools, including the Lord of Death himself; the dead person is told that this entire scene unfolding around him is a projection from his own mind.

Even here he can attain liberation by recognizing this.

The soul who is still not liberated after the Judgment will now be drawn remorselessly toward rebirth.

The lights of the six Lokas will dawn again; into one of these worlds the soul must be born, and the light of the one he is destined for will shine more brightly than the others.

The soul is still experiencing the frightening apparitions and sufferings of the third bardo, and he feels that he will do anything to escape from this condition.

He will seek shelter in what appear to be caves or hiding-places, but which are actually the entrances to wombs.
He is warned of this by the text of the Bardo Thodol, and urged not to enter them, but to [B]meditate upon the Clear Light instead; for it is still possible for him to achieve the third degree of liberation -liberation from 3 D? and avoid rebirth.

Finally there comes a point where it is no longer possible to attain liberation, and after this the soul is given instructions on how to choose the best womb for a favorable incarnation.

The basic method is non-attachment:to try to rise above both attraction to worldly pleasures and repulsion from worldly ills.

The final words of the Bardo Thodol are: "Let virtue and goodness be perfected in every way."

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"Be not fond of the dull smoke-colored light from hell." - Tibetan Book of the Dead

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/buddhism01.html


From "Death"
The Stages of the
Bardo of Becoming

For most beings, the lights that appear now are pale in comparison to the vivid lights of the bardo of dharmata.

When we see them, we will naturally feel drawn to one more than others.
However, the instruction at this time is to refrain from allowing ourselves to be drawn into any one of these states.

The white light that appears is associated with the realm of the gods, the red light with the realm of the jealous gods, the blue light with the human realm, the green light with the animal realm, the yellow light with the hungry ghost realm, and the dark, fog-like light with the hell realm.

http://www.ralphmag.org/FJ/ponlop-reading.html

Dear Flash,

First, I want to say that my post was highlighted in red by Delight and not by me.


What I wanted to point out with my post is, that in the Bardos a lot of 'traps' are mentioned and instructions are given to avoid them.

The same do Robert Morning Sky and Simon Parkes, when they give the instruction to avoid the luring (dazzling) White Light and turn away to look for one's "Own Light".

Note that in the Bardos the only light that will lead to liberation is the Clear Light of the Ultimate Reality. Not a luring White Light.


The "dazzling white light" is mentioned even in the Bardos as a risk to be drawn into hell when being in fear.

but if he specifically reacts with ANGER from having indulged in this vice on Earth, he will recoil from the light in fear and be drawn into hell.

[Synchronicity]

Thanks, Delight, and your post #105 makes sense to me. We are all on our own paths, and some may be on one part, while some on another. The part of my path that I am on now makes complete sense to me, but I have to acknowledge that it might not to someone else. When I see others on their path I have to choose to be respectful of where they are even if I have left that place or haven't been there yet, or I wouldn't be where I am and would be moving backwards. What I do and how I live is scary or wrong to some and I accept that as just part of their journey and mine. Yes, I do think sometimes we are in that place that we are okay with being tricked, and sometimes we see others being tricked and can choose to argue with them over who is right or just let them live as they wish and keep walking on our own path.

It's always fascinating to me when one person says, "Oh, I used to think that way about .........(whatever), but I know better now". It's fascinating because I also see someone else moving into where the other person just left saying, "Oh, this is amazing and I'm glad I discovered truth finally". It's all in the perspective and it's so easy to think we have discovered THE truth and the poor other fella hasn't been enlightened yet, but that "poor fella" may well be thinking the same thing about us! Now isn't that delightful in a way? There is so much to be learned and experienced and the vastness of the universe(s) is so...well, vast

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
When my son passed, I had a private funeral with close family members and then a mass open to the public. It was when his coffin was placed into the hearse, I lost it in the car. With my head in my lap, I screeched out of anger and pain. But there was another part of me that watched myself travel down a semi-dark tunnel. There was enough golden light to catch glimpses of a cave-like brown terrain. It was a silent and peaceful place/state.

What does this have to do with manipulation, trickery, and white light? How does loss compare with personal death or NDE experience? For me, it’s the raw, unedited experience that is enough for me to know that I’ll flow within clarity rather than fear of the unknown. I know it's possible to live that silent-peace without trauma induced experience. Which in turn opens heart and fosters clarity of mind.

RunningDeer <3

I think it's only the Heart that knows the right answer

I agree Agape. Ideally, the Heart is my chosen place to live. Though the mind says, “Pick me, pick me.” The way around this is to attend to perceived dramas before they run rampant. That’s what I meant by “clarity of mind”.

RunningDeer <3

[TrumanCash]

Posted by Calamus (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
This has been discussed on similar threads, but for those who are not aware of my experiences with this phenomenon, I will comment again here.

Not everyone "goes to the light" at body death. I have recovered several in-between life experiences vis-a-vis this planet of going toward the light at the end of tunnel.

This is, from our perspective as Earthbound humans, some incredibly high technology. What is at the end of the tunnel is nothing more than an implantation mothership. My take on the tunnel is that it is a kind of vortex or wormhole. Not being a physicist I cannot accurately describe the technology.

Simon Parkes uses the word "processing" instead of implant. He said that they are automated but also manned by Grays. However, in my experiences with these implanting stations it is the Mantids who are running the show. They disguise themselves as glowing beings. It is a deception. They implant false realities via what can best be described as telepathic hypnosis, e.g., dead relatives, etc, etc.

From my own past life memories I discovered that I was trying to stop the abductions on planet Earth over 15 thousand years ago. The Mantids apparently didn't like my interfering with their operations so they captured me nearly 12,400 years ago, implanted me in a body and set me back on Earth. Since then they have been following me lifetime to lifetime and making sure I report in to the implant station whenever I "die" in order to keep me from being a problem to their operations.

Simon has also confirmed that the Mantids not only orchestrate abductions but they also have the technology to implant a spiritual being into a body and even transfer a being from one body to another.

I am no longer at war with them as war and fighting is not a permanent, viable solution to the problem. It appears that they are implanted to be implanters and they are really stuck in that.

Mantids are in cahoots with the Grays and the human-looking bearded "gods"/ETs who have established Earth's god-worshipping religions and secret societies. In other words the Mantis beings are very instrumental in creating and maintaining war and chaos on this planet as well as operating and maintaining the artificial "reincarnation" system on this planet.

I have detailed my experiences vis-a-vis this subject in THE EYE OF RA, which anyone can download free of charge from the Avalon Project website (links below).

TLC

Given what is quoted above, which seems to be (I guess) corroborated by some others (all of which have their own contacts and experiences from who knows where, and with varying details, I gather) ...

If this Alien Domination 'paradigm' is true ...

What hope then do we HUMAN souls have against this oppressive force?

What is there to do as a collective to fend them off?

They seem to have an incredible power and advantage to the point of controlling everything on Earth.

Are we to just become hopeless in all of this?

Given that mankind is in this hopeless prison ...

Do we make a knowledgeable decision to go into death with this Intent to Go To Source, as is suggested, but not before spreading this hopeless story to others and recommend they do the same thing?

If this whole idea came out as a FACT to the world, everything would collapse overnight.

I mean, if our leaders are under their control, and KNOW about all this, I imagine trying to usurp them by revolution would be pointless, since the aliens could just come down and wipe us out, no? Or the governments would use their advanced weapons to control and subjugate us, no?

Are we to consider that there are good aliens who apparently have no power to save us? Are there no good guys?

I just don't get it.

Anyone want to enlighten me about this paradigm? I think this would be a fitting place to SUM UP the ideas of Simon and Truman and others who propagate this hopeless paradigm for those of us who by (perhaps a differently discerning) personal Intuition have a hard time following these stories.

What does the individual do to help themselves and others to overcome this? I just see it as hopeless right now, this 'world view' we are discussing.

----------------

On another note, I can only try and convey the idea (my personal opinion) that there is much more going on, and that the ones pointing out this current deception might be the most deceived (and in some cases, the most deceiving).

Truth Seekers are drawn to the internet in search of a Path, and they are being sidelined by these ideas, that may be orchestrated by great and confusing design, to draw people away from a proper Truth ...

[I suggest here that The Indigos (current and coming clans of advanced souls) are under preemptive attack. And some of these Indigos are some of us right here who are being led down, not a garden path, but a path toward a hopeless and derailing depression.]

... a truth might be that these side-lining tales are tied together in a current and mass deception of 'dis' and 'mis'-info, where it's difficult to get a read on persons, who as some suggest are CIA agents, Black Magicians, or just bold faced liars, people who are deluded and are playing into and along with a possible 'mass delusion' of mind and emotion ...

.. and a truth where Aliens are not as real and prevalent as we are being led to believe (if they are involved at all with us right now), but rather that Black Magic (which includes the conjuring of shape-shifting beings from another dimension [read: aliens]) on un-surveyable large and small scales is being used, along with (and perhaps in conjunction with) advanced technology in a masterful game of deception that will all come to light in our lifetimes ... and when it does we might be shocked to find out who were our true enemies and allies all along.

This is serious stuff, people. It's not enough to go lovey dubby into the night and day. Some of us have minds who depend on understanding Truth (and some of us are here to fight deception, of which all of these 'old' and 'new age' religions are part of)

A hopeless paradigm like this in the wrong soul could be death and derailment from an inspired lifetime.

Let's be certain and convicted of things before we go spreading 'the word' and making things worse for ourselves and others.

Lastly, given the fact (maybe) that we now read 'evidence' of 'agents of deception' work covertly through the internet (and through normally unseen dimensions perhaps) to derail and attack prevailing alternative theories and theorists, which I would suggest that also attack other and older 'systems of knowledge' as well ....

... I suggest that everyone is suspect, and one can't be too suspicious ... even right here on Project Avalon.

And trust me, I don't trust my own motivation these days ... thanks to these ideas I come across here and there.

Thanks for bringing up this very important point, Calamus. I understand that when one looks at the incredible technology of the ET Conspirators (ETCs) and their extremely elaborate matrix of deception to keep us in spiritual darkness, it can sometimes generate feelings of hopelessness. However, the truth is that there is now more hope than ever. For the first time in Earth's recent history, within the past several million years anyway, the common people are beginning to understand the bigger picture. Truth is rising, exponentially!

It might seem like a cliche to some, but TRUTH REALLY CAN SET US FREE. This is a universal principle that can be applied in so many ways and on so many levels. And, as I have found, it can free us from the machinations of the ETCs.

Please stop and ponder these questions:

Why do the ETCs spend all their time and resources to create an incredibly vast and intricate web of deceit?

Why do they use their technology to operate in secrecy and hide their activities from public view? Why do they wipe out the memories of abductees? Why do they keep us distracted by creating false religions and secret societies to foment war and chaos?

The answer is quite simple--Because they don't want us to know what they are doing and how they are doing it. If they could accomplish their goals using their incredible technology without secrecy, wouldn't they just be open about it? If they wanted to just wipe us out, why haven't they just done so?

The truth is that what they fear most of all is the TRUTH. Truth exposes the lies. Truth exposes the deception. The matrix dissolves in relation to the extent that the truth is revealed.

And the truth of the matter is that we are all very powerful spiritual beings. We are gods. They can't blow up the planet or otherwise kill us because you can't kill a spiritual being. They can only try to prevent us from knowing the truth about who we really are. That is the truth that the ETCs do not want us to know. They are in extreme fear of us. Why else would they spend their entire existence in oppressing us and keeping us in spiritual darkness?

But what they don't seem to realize is that this is the double-edged sword of karma. When one harms others then one can also be harmed. When they spend their entire existence in the effort to suppress the spiritual evolvement of other sentient, spiritual beings, then they themselves will not evolve spiritually.

Does it strike you as a very enjoyable existence to spend your life in an austere, tin can "flying saucer" in the cold, blackness of space with no other purpose than to suppress other beings? Wouldn't they rather be sitting beside a mountain stream in a beautiful forest filled with soothing melodies of singing birds and the incredible eye candy of colorful flowers and awesome butterflies?

These poor beings have sacrificed the enjoyment of a rich and wonderful spiritual life in order to fill their empty hours with a factory worker mentality of herding people through the monotony of endless abductions, implantations, sperm/ova extration, etc, etc. The upper level administrative ETCs have to somehow justify their importance by maintaining a stoic, we-know-best, arrogant demeanor. I know this because I know them personally.

I also know that they will respond to reason if one meets them as an equal and in the spirit of friendship. I was able to end my abduction status and have an insidious brain implant removed by telepathically communicating with the very Gray who had implanted me. We even became friends. I suggested he could leave his job and last I heard he did so.

We need to realize that we are them and they are us. No one has a reptilian soul, a Mantid soul or a Gray soul. We are all spiritual beings with the same basic needs and wants in spite of our cultural differences. We all have occupied "ET" bodies in our past lives.

A feeling of hopelessness can arise when we do not immediately see a solution to a problem. I certainly had to work through this myself. But if one persists one will eventually discover solutions and implement them. I got nowhere by fighting them. Polarization--the us-against-them mentality--is what holds the matrix together. I began making progress when I focused on developing my own spiritual abilities in the spirit of love and understanding. Communication and bringing about understanding are the keys to unlock and dissolve the matrix. There is more than just hope--There are solutions. And those solutions are being implemented by people who are not publicly known at this time operating quietly in the background.

What most ETCs may have not yet realized is that we are the positive change they have been waiting for.

TLC

[jp11]

Excellent reply TrumanCash. I especially related to this

A feeling of hopelessness can arise when we do not immediately see a solution to a problem. I certainly had to work through this myself. But if one persists one will eventually discover solutions and implement them. I got nowhere by fighting them. Polarization--the us-against-them mentality--is what holds the matrix together. I began making progress when I focused on developing my own spiritual abilities in the spirit of love and understanding. Communication and bringing about understanding are the keys to unlock and dissolve the matrix. There is more than just hope--There are solutions. And those solutions are being implemented by people are not publicly known at this time operating quietly in the background.

Thank you for that input.

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

Posted by Calamus (here)

Posted by TrumanCash (here)
This has been discussed on similar threads, but for those who are not aware of my experiences with this phenomenon, I will comment again here.

Not everyone "goes to the light" at body death. I have recovered several in-between life experiences vis-a-vis this planet of going toward the light at the end of tunnel.

This is, from our perspective as Earthbound humans, some incredibly high technology. What is at the end of the tunnel is nothing more than an implantation mothership. My take on the tunnel is that it is a kind of vortex or wormhole. Not being a physicist I cannot accurately describe the technology.

Simon Parkes uses the word "processing" instead of implant. He said that they are automated but also manned by Grays. However, in my experiences with these implanting stations it is the Mantids who are running the show. They disguise themselves as glowing beings. It is a deception. They implant false realities via what can best be described as telepathic hypnosis, e.g., dead relatives, etc, etc.

From my own past life memories I discovered that I was trying to stop the abductions on planet Earth over 15 thousand years ago. The Mantids apparently didn't like my interfering with their operations so they captured me nearly 12,400 years ago, implanted me in a body and set me back on Earth. Since then they have been following me lifetime to lifetime and making sure I report in to the implant station whenever I "die" in order to keep me from being a problem to their operations.

Simon has also confirmed that the Mantids not only orchestrate abductions but they also have the technology to implant a spiritual being into a body and even transfer a being from one body to another.

I am no longer at war with them as war and fighting is not a permanent, viable solution to the problem. It appears that they are implanted to be implanters and they are really stuck in that.

Mantids are in cahoots with the Grays and the human-looking bearded "gods"/ETs who have established Earth's god-worshipping religions and secret societies. In other words the Mantis beings are very instrumental in creating and maintaining war and chaos on this planet as well as operating and maintaining the artificial "reincarnation" system on this planet.

I have detailed my experiences vis-a-vis this subject in THE EYE OF RA, which anyone can download free of charge from the Avalon Project website (links below).

TLC

Given what is quoted above, which seems to be (I guess) corroborated by some others (all of which have their own contacts and experiences from who knows where, and with varying details, I gather) ...

If this Alien Domination 'paradigm' is true ...

What hope then do we HUMAN souls have against this oppressive force?

What is there to do as a collective to fend them off?

They seem to have an incredible power and advantage to the point of controlling everything on Earth.

Are we to just become hopeless in all of this?

Given that mankind is in this hopeless prison ...

Do we make a knowledgeable decision to go into death with this Intent to Go To Source, as is suggested, but not before spreading this hopeless story to others and recommend they do the same thing?

If this whole idea came out as a FACT to the world, everything would collapse overnight.

I mean, if our leaders are under their control, and KNOW about all this, I imagine trying to usurp them by revolution would be pointless, since the aliens could just come down and wipe us out, no? Or the governments would use their advanced weapons to control and subjugate us, no?

Are we to consider that there are good aliens who apparently have no power to save us? Are there no good guys?

I just don't get it.

Anyone want to enlighten me about this paradigm? I think this would be a fitting place to SUM UP the ideas of Simon and Truman and others who propagate this hopeless paradigm for those of us who by (perhaps a differently discerning) personal Intuition have a hard time following these stories.

What does the individual do to help themselves and others to overcome this? I just see it as hopeless right now, this 'world view' we are discussing.

----------------

On another note, I can only try and convey the idea (my personal opinion) that there is much more going on, and that the ones pointing out this current deception might be the most deceived (and in some cases, the most deceiving).

Truth Seekers are drawn to the internet in search of a Path, and they are being sidelined by these ideas, that may be orchestrated by great and confusing design, to draw people away from a proper Truth ...

[I suggest here that The Indigos (current and coming clans of advanced souls) are under preemptive attack. And some of these Indigos are some of us right here who are being led down, not a garden path, but a path toward a hopeless and derailing depression.]

... a truth might be that these side-lining tales are tied together in a current and mass deception of 'dis' and 'mis'-info, where it's difficult to get a read on persons, who as some suggest are CIA agents, Black Magicians, or just bold faced liars, people who are deluded and are playing into and along with a possible 'mass delusion' of mind and emotion ...

.. and a truth where Aliens are not as real and prevalent as we are being led to believe (if they are involved at all with us right now), but rather that Black Magic (which includes the conjuring of shape-shifting beings from another dimension [read: aliens]) on un-surveyable large and small scales is being used, along with (and perhaps in conjunction with) advanced technology in a masterful game of deception that will all come to light in our lifetimes ... and when it does we might be shocked to find out who were our true enemies and allies all along.

This is serious stuff, people. It's not enough to go lovey dubby into the night and day. Some of us have minds who depend on understanding Truth (and some of us are here to fight deception, of which all of these 'old' and 'new age' religions are part of)

A hopeless paradigm like this in the wrong soul could be death and derailment from an inspired lifetime.

Let's be certain and convicted of things before we go spreading 'the word' and making things worse for ourselves and others.

Lastly, given the fact (maybe) that we now read 'evidence' of 'agents of deception' work covertly through the internet (and through normally unseen dimensions perhaps) to derail and attack prevailing alternative theories and theorists, which I would suggest that also attack other and older 'systems of knowledge' as well ....

... I suggest that everyone is suspect, and one can't be too suspicious ... even right here on Project Avalon.

And trust me, I don't trust my own motivation these days ... thanks to these ideas I come across here and there.

Thanks for bringing up this very important point, Calamus. I understand that when one looks at the incredible technology of the ET Conspirators (ETCs) and their extremely elaborate matrix of deception to keep us in spiritual darkness, it can sometimes generate feelings of hopelessness. However, the truth is that there is now more hope than ever. For the first time in Earth's recent history, within the past several million years anyway, the common people are beginning to understand the bigger picture. Truth is rising, exponentially!

It might seem like a cliche to some, but TRUTH REALLY CAN SET US FREE. This is a universal principle that can be applied in so many ways and on so many levels. And, as I have found, it can free us from the machinations of the ETCs.

Please stop and ponder these questions:

Why do the ETCs spend all their time and resources to create an incredibly vast and intricate web of deceit?

Why do they use their technology to operate in secrecy and hide their activities from public view? Why do they wipe out the memories of abductees? Why do they keep us distracted by creating false religions and secret societies to foment war and chaos?

The answer is quite simple--Because they don't want us to know what they are doing and how they are doing it. If they could accomplish their goals using their incredible technology without secrecy, wouldn't they just be open about it? If they wanted to just wipe us out, why haven't they just done so?

The truth is that what they fear most of all is the TRUTH. Truth exposes the lies. Truth exposes the deception. The matrix dissolves in relation to the extent that the truth is revealed.

And the truth of the matter is that we are all very powerful spiritual beings. We are gods. They can't blow up the planet or otherwise kill us because you can't kill a spiritual being. They can only try to prevent us from knowing the truth about who we really are. That is the truth that the ETCs do not want us to know. They are in extreme fear of us. Why else would they spend their entire existence in oppressing us and keeping us in spiritual darkness?

But what they don't seem to realize is that this is the double-edged sword of karma. When one harms others then one can also be harmed. When they spend their entire existence in the effort to suppress the spiritual evolvement of other sentient, spiritual beings, then they themselves will not evolve spiritually.

Does it strike you as a very enjoyable existence to spend your life in an austere, tin can "flying saucer" in the cold, blackness of space with no other purpose than to suppress other beings? Wouldn't they rather be sitting beside a mountain stream in a beautiful forest filled with soothing melodies of singing birds and the incredible eye candy of colorful flowers and awesome butterflies?

These poor beings have sacrificed the enjoyment of a rich and wonderful spiritual life in order to fill their empty hours with a factory worker mentality of herding people through the monotony of endless abductions, implantations, sperm/ova extration, etc, etc. The upper level administrative ETCs have to somehow justify their importance by maintaining a stoic, we-know-best, arrogant demeanor. I know this because I know them personally.

I also know that they will respond to reason if one meets them as an equal and in the spirit of friendship. I was able to end my abduction status and have an insidious brain implant removed by telepathically communicating with the very Gray who had implanted me. We even became friends. I suggested he could leave his job and last I heard he did so.

We need to realize that we are them and they are us. No one has a reptilian soul, a Mantid soul or a Gray soul. We are all spiritual beings with the same basic needs and wants in spite of our cultural differences. We all have occupied "ET" bodies in our past lives.

A feeling of hopelessness can arise when we do not immediately see a solution to a problem. I certainly had to work through this myself. But if one persists one will eventually discover solutions and implement them. I got nowhere by fighting them. Polarization--the us-against-them mentality--is what holds the matrix together. I began making progress when I focused on developing my own spiritual abilities in the spirit of love and understanding. Communication and bringing about understanding are the keys to unlock and dissolve the matrix. There is more than just hope--There are solutions. And those solutions are being implemented by people are not publicly known at this time operating quietly in the background.

What most ETCs may have not yet realized is that we are the positive change they have been waiting for.

TLC

[Flash]

Posted by TrumanCash (here)

A feeling of hopelessness can arise when we do not immediately see a solution to a problem. I certainly had to work through this myself. But if one persists one will eventually discover solutions and implement them. I got nowhere by fighting them. Polarization--the us-against-them mentality--is what holds the matrix together. I began making progress when I focused on developing my own spiritual abilities in the spirit of love and understanding. Communication and bringing about understanding are the keys to unlock and dissolve the matrix. There is more than just hope--There are solutions. And those solutions are being implemented by people are not publicly known at this time operating quietly in the background.

What most ETCs may have not yet realized is that we are the positive change they have been waiting for.

TLC

Soooo true, I am actually presently Learning this too, no need to go to polarizartion, the solution is not there, it is holding the matrix. Love and truth, are the way out.

[Kalamos]

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[johnf]

Truman , Your comments are very insightful, the polarization in this thread seems to be coming apart, hopefully, we shall see that depolarization is an idea whose idea has come!
We just might see this show up in world events this month, and in those to come.

JohnF

[gripreaper]

I’ve kind of avoided this thread because the discussion about “white light” seems like a non sequitur to me.

Let’s go back to our collective agreement when we chose to descend into this density. When we were galactic souls, we differentiated into two, which many call the twin flames. This was the first mirror, the first contrast of self. As we descend further into density, the polarized extremes get more intense and well, more extreme. We chose to experience all of the diversified aspects of polarity, both positive and negative, in all of their extremes, so that when we return to the galactic state, we have the contrasting experiences to hold ourselves as differentiated and conscious souls, separate in experience yet unified in source.

That’s the deal we all agreed to. It takes hundreds of lifetimes to experience all aspects of polarity. One lifetime you are the tyrant and your co-creator is the victim, and the next those roles are reversed. Everything happens in balance and nothing is an accident. One lifetime you are a mother, next a father, a daughter, a son, and every possible archetype available over many cultures, religions, nations, and times. You choose to create beliefs, energy blocks based on those beliefs, karma to be worked out between you and your co-creators, grooved pathways which keep you in a certain frequency and a whole myriad of pathways unique to you. Everything you see and everything you believe is a construct of your own choices and beliefs.

In duality, the contrast of the opposites, you have right and left, light and dark, yin and yang, good and evil, masculine and feminine, positive and negative, etc. When you have had your fun, been there done that, have the T-shirt and the ticket stub, and you don’t want to play that polarized role any longer, just decide to be done with it. You will transition into the same frequency from which you emanate, regardless, until you have completed the fullness of spirit in a body and stand as a differentiated consciousness.

So, the question is not whether to go towards the light or not, the question is whether you stand in full integrity within your being, whether you are trapped by beliefs which sequester parts of your energy, and how this manifests in the physical as well as the astral. You’ll come back here and play more games if that is what your energy signature resonates with. You will “see” what you believe when you transition from this life into the next. You’ll be done here, or you won’t. You’ll go towards the light, or you won’t. You will be in complete harmony with the energy you hold and that is what you will emanate and be drawn to.

That’s my take on it anyway.

[thunder24]

Is de-polar-ice-ation something like Spiritual Global Warming from the intense heat of the Light?
...on a sirius note... when u die, wouldn't there be more colors then the ones we see now, and when one says clear light, is it clear as in transparent or clear as in translucent...?

[turiya]

Posted by Calamus (here)
If this Alien Domination 'paradigm' is true ...

What hope then do we HUMAN souls have against this oppressive force?

What is there to do as a collective to fend them off?

They seem to have an incredible power and advantage to the point of controlling everything on Earth.

Are we to just become hopeless in all of this?

Given that mankind is in this hopeless prison ...

Do we make a knowledgeable decision to go into death with this Intent to Go To Source, as is suggested, but not before spreading this hopeless story to others and recommend they do the same thing?

If this whole idea came out as a FACT to the world, everything would collapse overnight.

I mean, if our leaders are under their control, and KNOW about all this, I imagine trying to usurp them by revolution would be pointless, since the aliens could just come down and wipe us out, no? Or the governments would use their advanced weapons to control and subjugate us, no?

Are we to consider that there are good aliens who apparently have no power to save us? Are there no good guys?

I just don't get it.

Anyone want to enlighten me about this paradigm? I think this would be a fitting place to SUM UP the ideas of Simon and Truman and others who propagate this hopeless paradigm for those of us who by (perhaps a differently discerning) personal Intuition have a hard time following these stories.

What does the individual do to help themselves and others to overcome this? I just see it as hopeless right now, this 'world view' we are discussing.

----------------

On another note, I can only try and convey the idea (my personal opinion) that there is much more going on, and that the ones pointing out this current deception might be the most deceived (and in some cases, the most deceiving).

Truth Seekers are drawn to the internet in search of a Path, and they are being sidelined by these ideas, that may be orchestrated by great and confusing design, to draw people away from a proper Truth ...

[I suggest here that The Indigos (current and coming clans of advanced souls) are under preemptive attack. And some of these Indigos are some of us right here who are being led down, not a garden path, but a path toward a hopeless and derailing depression.]

... a truth might be that these side-lining tales are tied together in a current and mass deception of 'dis' and 'mis'-info, where it's difficult to get a read on persons, who as some suggest are CIA agents, Black Magicians, or just bold faced liars, people who are deluded and are playing into and along with a possible 'mass delusion' of mind and emotion ...

.. and a truth where Aliens are not as real and prevalent as we are being led to believe (if they are involved at all with us right now), but rather that Black Magic (which includes the conjuring of shape-shifting beings from another dimension [read: aliens]) on un-surveyable large and small scales is being used, along with (and perhaps in conjunction with) advanced technology in a masterful game of deception that will all come to light in our lifetimes ... and when it does we might be shocked to find out who were our true enemies and allies all along.

This is serious stuff, people. It's not enough to go lovey dubby into the night and day. Some of us have minds who depend on understanding Truth (and some of us are here to fight deception, of which all of these 'old' and 'new age' religions are part of)

A hopeless paradigm like this in the wrong soul could be death and derailment from an inspired lifetime.

Let's be certain and convicted of things before we go spreading 'the word' and making things worse for ourselves and others.

Lastly, given the fact (maybe) that we now read 'evidence' of 'agents of deception' work covertly through the internet (and through normally unseen dimensions perhaps) to derail and attack prevailing alternative theories and theorists, which I would suggest that also attack other and older 'systems of knowledge' as well ....

... I suggest that everyone is suspect, and one can't be too suspicious ... even right here on Project Avalon.

And trust me, I don't trust my own motivation these days ... thanks to these ideas I come across here and there.

Hi Calamus

Unless one has come to the point of knowing that this life is an utter misery, one will continue to be caught up in the many dramas that this world has available. It is ONLY when one comes to the point of saying to oneself - "enough is enough!" will a transformation be possible. If one has not yet come to the point of having a complete & utter breakdown & ready to commit a suicide - only then will the possibility of having a breakthrough become possible.

In other words:
The misery of this world provides the perfect backdrop for one to turn one's attention away from it, and to look inwards to where the real treasure is to be found. The real treasure is not in doing or having, but in 'being.'

turiya

[heyokah]

I'd like to share what George Gurdfieff (1866-1949) had to say about souls and the moon.

I loved his and his follower/partner Ouspensky's work very much in those days,.... and still.

They were the first ones (for me) to talk about the moon feeding on life on earth.

Gurdjieff was a remarkable man. Some see him as a charlatan others as an influential spiritual teacher.

Gurdjieff claimed that people cannot perceive reality in their current states because they do not possess consciousness but rather live in a state of a hypnotic "waking sleep."
"Man lives his life in sleep, and in sleep he dies."
As a result of this condition, each person perceives things from a completely subjective perspective.
He asserted that people in their typical state function as unconscious automatons, but that one can "wake up" and become a different sort of human being altogether.

Gurdjieff taught that most human beings are mere “slugs” with no souls and that following death, their remaining psychic energy is “food for the Moon.”
Like a magnet, the Moon draws the fine matter of human souls into it:
“Everything living on the Earth, people, animals, plants, is food for the Moon. The Moon is a huge living being feeding upon all that lives and grows on the Earth.”

Only through an intensive effort of conscious evolution (what he called “self-remembering”) was it possible for an individual to escape being eaten by the Moon.
“The liberation that comes with the growth of mental powers and faculties is liberation from the Moon.”

Gurdjieff always maintained: Man is not truly conscious, and his actions are entirely mechanical: “Everything ‘happens,’ he cannot ‘do’ anything. He is a machine controlled by accidental shocks from outside.”


Here are some of the teachings.

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In the cosmological schema, earth is like a mother to the moon which is still a fetus in the sense that it cannot yet “breathe” on its own, hold an atmosphere, or support life.
Gurdjieff said: “The Moon is actually a fragment of this Earth, which must now constantly maintain the Moon’s existence.”
In that sense, the moon is like a parasitic thought form.
Nevertheless, the equation is balanced because in exchange for the moon propelling our mechanical movement, we feed the moon so that it may grow and one day be born as a living planet.

As to how organic life feeds the moon, Ouspensky explained that upon death the physical body stays on the earth but the soul essence, the astral and etheric energies sloughed off by the evacuating spirit, float toward and deposit themselves upon the moon.
This comes with the dissolution of the body’s mechanical center.

During life, however, unprovoked emotional turmoil and unconscious psychological suffering produce subtle energies that feed the moon, and this much is detrimental to personal esoteric evolution.
To escape the more deleterious lunar influences Ouspensky said we must “create moon within ourselves.” By this he meant we must develop within us a driving mechanism that can take the place of the external lunar influence; in this way we would break free of the puppeteer.

Assuming for a moment a more general and practical interpretation, this simply says that in order to become free from mechanical conditioning and reactive behavior we must reinforce our sense of self-awareness so that conscious choice and awareness reigns supreme over any external stimuli that might provoke an unconscious reaction.

In this way we stop feeding the moon while living, and still properly pay our dues upon death.

http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon

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