Is the white light after we die a trap?

[we-R-one]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Hi We-R-One, I never limit myself to one option or one system/way of being.
I never limit myself to running out of time, I know you can always keep subdividing it.
I haven't even limited matter in my reality to just be solid or non-solid, I know it can be one or the other or anywhere in-between!
The above has saved my life many times now!

I had my experiences which gave me MY OWN found doubts about the White-Light. I came away from my experiences NOT IN FEAR, but was quite elevated and thankful for being shown not only a wondrous place, but to realize there could be a deception. This wondrous place also seems to have choices of direction, not just one path towards the Blinding-White-Light (The Head Lights), you can take the time to look around first and even see other Bright Coloured Light! My wondrous place has exits not just a one way street!

So I asked my questions in a few posts and got some very good feed back from many members. The questions and replies carried on and developed.

I have never been religious, I respect religious people if they seem to be good hearted people.
I haven't had the dogma of priests telling me the law or the way!
I haven't had the White-Light drummed into my reality in such a way!
I haven't let them tell me that so called reality or what I should do,
'm my own path.

Mr Simon Parks was one of the members who gave some answers and some of them resonated but! to say I am playing 'Simon Says' like a good little sheep is a total misinterpretation!

All other members have had their varying experiences and their minds and so has Simon.
None of them are telling me what to do and nor I them, they are giving me their views and conclusions which I/we then move on from in debate!
As I have said I have had my experiences and my mind, my questions and my conclusions.

If I am a co-creator (Which I know I am) of my reality well! my reality always has more than one option in it!

Love, Peace and Big Hugs to every one!

You might not be playing the Simon Says game but there are still those reading this who are and that was the point of the post. Maybe the title of the thread "don't go to the light", should be changed..though I know that wasn't necessarily the intention of the original poster, they merely brought it up for dialogue.

Just because 'Simon says' doesn't make it so for everyone. I didn't say that Simon was wrong all I'm saying is you can't put a one-size fits all on the experience because it defies what the new science is telling us and I wanted to put that science in front of people who might not be aware. My concern is for those who read this thread and rely on others to decide for them because they don't know where to go for information that could help them make a better decision. I didn't see anyone post any science as part of their reasoning behind their belief. Beliefs are energy fields. The way our reality is set up, is something only exists if we seek it out.

Remember this quote:
”The act of us searching, the act of the human heart and the human mind looking at the universe expecting to see something will always create something for us to see. The act of us looking with the expectation that something is there, is an act of creation unto itself.” - John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

That is what the science is telling us.

[Ealiss]

What a wonderful post we-R-one. I agree whole-heartedly.

People like you are rare. I better not say anything else because I will only annoy people. I am simply awaiting the result of earth turning up the volume (frequency).

[Tony]

Never forget your natural common sense.

When the light is on, we see clearly.
Light is clarity, that is why we use the word enLIGHTenment,
it means pure seeing/awareness.
Why would anyone want to reach enDIMment?

There is only one force in the universe
that wishes us dullness, and that's the dark forces.


Never forget your natural common sense.




Tony

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi we-R-one and yes the title of that post dose need changing.
The title as it stands sounds like an order or a affirmation,
'There are queries about going to the Light'
maybe a better title!

we-R-one
I didn't see anyone post any science as part of their reasoning behind their belief. Beliefs are energy fields. The way our reality is set up, is something only exists if we seek it out.

Most of this debate is concerned with personal spiritual and out of the norm experiences and observations, not science?

Remember this quote:
”The act of us searching, the act of the human heart and the human mind looking at the universe expecting to see something will always create something for us to see. The act of us looking with the expectation that something is there, is an act of creation unto itself.” - John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

That is what the science is telling us.

Yes we-R-one and that to me is one reason Science has to keep changing it's mind?

Which I believe it has done quite allot recently!
How dose, to mention one name 'Nassim Haramein's' new views of reality, black-holes, particles and the universe resonate with you?

BTW Don't think I'm anti-science but! most printed mainstream science is exactly that 'Mainstream'!
I'm not a big fan of Mainstream anything at the moment!

Same comparison could be the Health and medicine business, most people only see and rely on Mainstream version of reality!

This 'White Light' topic obviously connects and or concerns allot of Avalon members.
I hope they get what they need from the debate by asking their questions and or adding their experiences.
I hope they get what they need from the debate by using their own discretion and discernment.

we-R-one I'm glad you are pointing out concerns, I have not posted so much in this Avalon because I also don't won't to harm people! the possible 'White Light Trap' is a concern that I have found within myself that I think is important, important enough to debate about in open chat.

Love, Peace and Hugs
Alan

PS we-R-one I will be backtracking and try to develop my connection to the 'source field' I was once more connected but other negative events broke me.

Maybe you could add a little 'Best version links' to this essential subject!

[Becky]

please delete - double posted

[observer]

Allow me to point to one consideration you might wish to make, we-R-one, regarding what John Wheeler didn't address.

What you are referring to as a “Source Field” is called by the scientific community, "The Quantum Field of Infinite Potential". The double-slit experiment demonstrates how this Field, through observation, which prior to observation exists only as a field of energy, is collapsed into physical matter.

If then, this is a Field of Infinite Potential being individually collapsed into reality, why don't we all see something different when we perceive the same infinite field? Why do we all commonly collapse that energy into the manifestation of, say, an apple? Or, what makes us all see the same matter when we view this Infinite Field of Energy?

The only plausible explanation to this phenomenon is that there is some sort of control mechanism, outside of our perception, that is controlling the Quantum field of Infinite Potential.

So, for someone to use the double-slit experiment as an example of how we all create our own reality, one must further conclude that we are all preprogrammed in some way to collectively collapse this infinite field of energy into similar matter.

Regardless of how this works, it is a control mechanism.

The physical evidence points to anomalous structures on the surface of the Moon. Contrary to what some of the members are saying about these structures being photoshopped, I would suggest it is more likely that it is the quantum field of infinite potential being “photoshopped”- by highly advanced artificial mind manipulation technologies. That’s where the evidence points.

A mass realization of how this phenomenon works is the first step in releasing one's eternal soul from the trap.

This has nothing to do with fear, it has more to do with gaining a tactical advantage.

[Becky]

Hi We-R-one,
Thank you for your post, it's very interesting and enlightening in places.

I would like to say though that Simon does not mean to make us fearful with what he says and brings out into the light/open. Sometimes he's not as clear as he could be, or could elaborate more to enable people to get a bigger/better picture, but he certainly doesn't intend to mislead us. He says truths as he sees/understands them, then it is up to us as individuals to interpret that how we can. But he never intended to be a 'guru' and he certainly doesn't, as the 'Simon says' video demonstrates, 'say one thing and do another'. Simon lives his life as truthfully as he can. In his words to me...
'I am here to serve people ~ to combat evil and spread the awakening.'

This topic is vital, and for the most part people have been discussing it openly and from lots of different valuable viewpoints which have been enlightening to us all. We can all choose a pathway/idea that we find resonates the most with each of us, as individuals, at any one time.

What has crept in from time to time is a negative energy/attitude towards Simon - who incidentally has not even seen this thread - and this is not helpful or necessary as his quote has been taken out of context and given a different energy/angle/edge to that which it was originally delivered. So there's a slight hint or an outright statement that he is out to manipulate us. I think anyone who has worked with him would know from their heart that this is not true.

Just think this needs saying.

[Flash]

Becky and Observer, your posts are very important. Yes, there is a common field, that we agreed upon, either to participate in or to create or co-create. And this field we agreed on most probably can be manipulated by us AND by others, as long as a common, conscious or unconscious agreement is acquired. The trick then is to make us unconscious if one wants to control the field.

The field, controlled by some forces other than humans, would have been nevertheless unconsciously agreed upon. The trick is making us and keeping us unconscious. And us, accepting it. This is precisely why it is so important to see what is going on in order to Wake up.

The choice has to do with accepting to see the ways it worked and what it/we create. And chosing our créations. The problem is that it is unconciously chosen, so some other can imprint their needs/values/will on it. The choice is to Wake up and see, then chose. It has to be fair.

Then there is THE TRUTH. And that truth has to do with the field itself and its operation rules, which we call universal laws or laws of the universe. When broken, there is retribution, which is not a hammer on your head but the simple cause and effect rebounding on those who broke it.

Because of our agreements to blindness and chosing to be controlled, we brake it time and time again. As well as our "captors". So at one point, it ought to change, the effect being felt.

And yes, there is a META position from which we can see, if we want, the true situation and its risks/benefits on the higher self, soul and over soul levels. But we are not at this point yet, we are in 3D, making the decisions, chosing and making the jump if we wish, right now.

Right now, we are at a crossing and choice will have or has to be made. Will it be unconscious or not. Will we give up our sovereignty again?????? or decide to be strong enough to gain it back???

Very hard to explain, but hey we have try.

[Hervé]

Posted by we-R-one (here)
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.... The only reason I feel compelled to respond is because I see people being mislead and it bothers me to the very core.

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Hi "the-one-you-are" and welcome back!

See, it is for that very reason that some of us put a caveat on that “White Light” thingy since some of us have been able to recall the experience of that “Soylent Green” recycler and back to the grind.

Also to neglect this kind of evidence:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
One way to look at this is to consider that, let's say for the last 10,000 years, there hasn't been much more than one iota of improvement on Earth from any of these dudes that went into that white light... when back on the ground... How come?

See?

10,000 years of prayers, hopes, incense burning, sacrifices, immolations, etc... and have a good look at where we are at.... I don't know about anyone else but I find that such an end result is an indication that there is something terribly not quite right.

… and not taking into account 10,000 years of being led down the garden path is pure folly.

This, by the way, lends heavy credence to those catholic/christian preacher dudes who keep throwing at one’s face that one has only one life to make it out. Otherwise it’s back to the memory shredder and start over again.

You use results from science to demonstrate your point and that’s well taken: I have no problems with that whatsoever.

However, physics has this pesky law of reciprocality and therefore the corollary of one truth is also true…

In other words, if anything works one way, it also works in reverse. Human technology is now at a stage where these white light, honey or vortex traps can be understood:

Take orbs (particularly this post as well as this one <---- click) that are now being seen on digital snapshots.

Prior to digital cameras, they didn’t “exist” except for psychics/clairvoyants. Now, they are being revealed and “captured” on memory cards.

That they are being made visible via these digital cameras is something of extreme significance because it implies that these “spirits’ energies” floating around are interfering with the light wavelength used and, the corollary is that, that same light is interfering with them and, therefore, can be used to influence them via some waves/frequency/resonance of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Moreover, when an energy of “love” is directed at something, conversely, that 'something" can be made to “record” that energy/vibration/frequency/resonance/harmonic and be broadcasted back at the push of a button.

… right there you’ve got that “white light” trap as a carrier wave embedded with whatever matches the longing of the wandering spirit as a mirroring of the resonating frequency.

This is most probably also where the Buddhist’s quest for “detachment” comes from since any longing or desire gets to be a potential trap… “they’ll” give it to you: “you want to go home? No problem, this way, follow me!” ... and the Bardo Thodol was implemented to help avoid the many pitfalls one is bound to encounter on the other side of life.

So, if what's above is actually, really truly understood, what do you think is the actual psyop?

Personally I tend to think it is the one that’s currently being promoted via mass MSM distribution now that the main “religions” are fast losing their grip on populations.

“Out there” on the other side of life, as you already know, one creates one’s reality a lot faster and the “enslavers” have quite a head’s up on “us” humans in creating “their” reality and manipulating that same energy field.

Anything created on this Earth “below” has been weaponized one way or another especially in the field of mind control via electromagnetic frequencies/resonances/harmonics/waves; so, guess what one is going to run into in that “above” which this “below” is a mirror of?

[Delight]

Posted by observer (here)

If then, this is a Field of Infinite Potential being individually collapsed into reality, why don't we all see something different when we perceive the same infinite field? Why do we all commonly collapse that energy into the manifestation of, say, an apple? Or, what makes us all see the same matter when we view this Infinite Field of Energy?

The only plausible explanation to this phenomenon is that there is some sort of control mechanism, outside of our perception, that is controlling the Quantum field of Infinite Potential.

Bottom line on the whole discussion IMO is that an observer matters. Another way I would understand "control mechanism"is "process" or "the way things work" based on underlying structure. If it is the way things work that there is feedback mechansim (reverberating) between an observer and a field, it is like the chicken and the egg...which was first (I am not saying I know).

When we-R-one was writing, I felt her passion for her own understanding of the process. It seems it must have given her a perspective and she seems her intention is to help others reache her sense of sure footedness. That seems to me very supportive to my own sense of assurance that I am capable of perfect timing and inner guidance.

I have been thinking about an unraveling where the ideas offered hold a chaotic mess of contradictions. One will not be able to depend on another. Regarding Simon Parkes, I am not able to find very much that is not details of what he heard or saw. he did say we are creators and if we know that, we will be OK (my paraphrase)

There is no way to sort anything out for ourselves without the inner guidance of our beacon and our anchor of KNOWING. It creates a swirl of "right time right place". When you feel centered, connected to an inner and owned larger context plus deeply grounded, a coherence happens that one can feel. IMO, the source field responds to frequency and when we are in coherence, a clear pattern emerges. There is IMO no wrong frequency. We can modulate and yet, the clarity of our ability to vibrate is a key feature...not all muddy and wonky.

If you exercise the muscle of clear coherent awareness and attention, there seems to be a change in the way the source field responds. It is impossible to describe except that the interference one identifies as stress seems to be eliminated .One knows that one can be very relaxed and the smooth and resounding place of peace changes all relationships.

Whatever obstacles to confidence in one's own ability seems the place to chip away IMO to be the most powerful creative being in form.

[donk]

Posted by Tony (here)
Never forget your natural common sense.

When the light is on, we see clearly.
Light is clarity, that is why we use the word enLIGHTenment,
it means pure seeing/awareness.
Why would anyone want to reach enDIMment?

There is only one force in the universe
that wishes us dullness, and that's the dark forces.


Never forget your natural common sense.




Tony

Are you sure they “wish us dullness”, or perhaps rather they are just taking our light for themselves.

That’s the pattern I see over and over, as above, so below. This existence seems to be an intricate weaving of different manifestations of energy transfers…and we are discussing a particular one that happens to be manufactured into our greatest concern as a species—what happens to our consciousness when it leaves this physical vehicle.

To me, that tends to show that both Simon and wRo are correct—those that obtained and continue take (and hide) the light (information) from us, would definitely do what they could to manipulate it—by “their” nature, it is what “they” do. While at the same time, if we’ve obtained enough light/information/science, we should be able to exercise our will in a way that best suits us (create the reality we want).

Detachment means finding the choice that suits us despite those that would impose their will on us…throwing free will into the infinite energies woven to form the tapestry we find ourselves makes it so nothing is constant except change. Those with more understanding (light, whether stolen or honestly realized…it’s really “neutral”, to me—just “what is”) are more able to manipulate—who’s to say their “psyop” is any better or worse than what you would you do, in that position?

[Finefeather]

Posted by donk (here)
Are you sure they “wish us dullness”, or perhaps rather they are just taking our light for themselves.

If that was the case and we assume that light is 'good' and dark is 'bad'...would that not mean that 'they' would now be full of light...and would that not then make them 'good'...and 'good' people don't take from 'bad' people...do they?

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by donk (here)
Detachment means finding the choice that suits us despite those that would impose their will on us…throwing free will into the infinite energies woven to form the tapestry we find ourselves makes it so nothing is constant except change. Those with more understanding (light, whether stolen or honestly realized…it’s really “neutral”, to me—just “what is”) are more able to manipulate—who’s to say their “psyop” is any better or worse than what you would you do, in that position?

I suspect we switch sides, or may be simultaneously playing both roles, manipulator and the manipulated, dark team and light team. We may be playing the game with ourselves, learning the values of freedom and sovereignty. Maybe we will have a big party and lots of laughter when this game is over and we start the next chapter of our never ending adventure.

[Sunny-side-up]

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Are you sure they “wish us dullness”, or perhaps rather they are just taking our light for themselves.

If that was the case and we assume that light is 'good' and dark is 'bad'...would that not mean that 'they' would now be full of light...and would that not then make them 'good'...and 'good' people don't take from 'bad' people...do they?

It's one thing to take something but! it's what you do with it (or can do with it) that gives an end result!

One creature taking 'White Light' form a totally different creature and then using it for it's own distorted needs will not make them Good. It might give them food energies though!

[Tony]

Posted by donk (here)

Posted by Tony (here)
Never forget your natural common sense.

When the light is on, we see clearly.
Light is clarity, that is why we use the word enLIGHTenment,
it means pure seeing/awareness.
Why would anyone want to reach enDIMment?

There is only one force in the universe
that wishes us dullness, and that's the dark forces.


Never forget your natural common sense.




Tony

Are you sure they “wish us dullness”, or perhaps rather they are just taking our light for themselves.

That’s the pattern I see over and over, as above, so below. This existence seems to be an intricate weaving of different manifestations of energy transfers…and we are discussing a particular one that happens to be manufactured into our greatest concern as a species—what happens to our consciousness when it leaves this physical vehicle.

To me, that tends to show that both Simon and wRo are correct—those that obtained and continue take (and hide) the light (information) from us, would definitely do what they could to manipulate it—by “their” nature, it is what “they” do. While at the same time, if we’ve obtained enough light/information/science, we should be able to exercise our will in a way that best suits us (create the reality we want).

Detachment means finding the choice that suits us despite those that would impose their will on us…throwing free will into the infinite energies woven to form the tapestry we find ourselves makes it so nothing is constant except change. Those with more understanding (light, whether stolen or honestly realized…it’s really “neutral”, to me—just “what is”) are more able to manipulate—who’s to say their “psyop” is any better or worse than what you would you do, in that position?

This is what is known as being caught up in fantasy! Our true nature - yours and mine - is pure light. It is clouded by ignorance, confusion and fantasy. Nobody can steal it because it is not a "thing" to be stolen. There are silly beings who feed off overreaction and wild emotions. We become overexcited, and feed off one another.

We have two potentials: light energy and dark energy.
The light energy is the realisation of our true nature.
The dark is when we forget. We always have free will.
It all depends on what attracts your mind.

As you say, "as above, so below": if we feel compassionate, it is the compassion of the enlightened ones.
If we give in to our negative emotions, we are blessed by what people may term the Archons.

Enlightenment is within us all. Endarkenment is within us all. It is always our choice. However, the thinking mind can be subject to distortion by those who are misguided.

We are always in charge

Tony

[NancyV]

Light can be used as a method of attracting souls to a particular "place" where they can be delayed/trapped for a while and it can be a very valuable lesson. If one has not yet realized their powers of creation and absolute control they can be subject to others attempting to and often succeeding in controlling them. Eventually they will tire of being controlled, even if that control is by a "god" who seems to be benevolent and loving. So light has many aspects and can be used as an attractor tool in it's lower vibrational frequencies. The higher and highest frequencies of light also strongly attract us. Light is love and varying frequencies have greater or lesser intensities of love. We are attracted to love since that is what we are as Source.

There are many so called heavens where many souls remain and are trapped only by their own acceptance, acquiescence and beliefs. Some will eventually find their own powers of creation and will leave, others will be reborn, others will remain for an indeterminate time (time doesn't mean much at this point). Some will be aided by those who have chosen to help free souls who are trapped in either heavens or hells. All they have to do is to change their beliefs, tap into love and accept their power of creation. Then they can leave and the trap is no longer a trap but just a lesson along the way.

I don't look on this process as a negative or diabolical one, even if some who play these games are motivated by the desire for power and control over others. Others are actually helping more unevolved souls to evolve at a pace that suits them. As long as an individual soul accepts or is influenced by fear it will be able to be controlled. Love conquers fear and one who has merged into love completely cannot be controlled and has no fear. But if a soul is not quite ready to reach full power and merge with Source, these different planes and dimensions (including this earth reality we're aware of right now) all contain valuable lessons and exciting games, no matter if they seem to be hellish or heavenly.

We choose to be here and we choose to have an awareness of being apart from Source. I don't know the reason why we, as Source, choose to come into the Creation. But the Source and the Creation are in an endless loop with many dimensions to be experienced. At the same time the Source and the Creation are one and the same. It's hard for my mind to really comprehend this and I only have total knowingness when I am completely merged with Source....and then it doesn't matter at all. As Source I don't look for reasons I just AM...and it's all perfect. It is in the Creation where we play the games and vie for energy, power and control in various ways. So we are playing with other aspects of ourselves, the positive/loving and the negative/evil. We are not separate but only perceive ourselves as separate. It must be fun or we wouldn't continue doing it!

[Finefeather]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
It's one thing to take something but! it's what you do with it (or can do with it) that gives an end result!

One creature taking 'White Light' form a totally different creature and then using it for it's own distorted needs will not make them Good. It might give them food energies though!

My post was meant as a joke if you notice the smiley but anyway...
I think you might be confusing 'light' with energy or prana which is in fact the stuff which many parasitic 'astral' entities feed on...including emotional energy.

If you use the word light in the context of consciousness or enlightenment then you should not forget that no Being is without some form of consciousness...and consciousness is not energy.

If you use the word light as is used usually...then it also makes no sense, because all Beings on earth experience the light of the sun or a bulb etc...which in terms of darkness could also be related to awareness or consciousness..."I can see now that the light is on".

So I cannot for the life of me see how light in any form can be used to feed anyone...oh! wait I can...If there is light I can see what's in the cupboard, so I can safely choose the cornflakes over the rat poison

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Hope you still have a sense of humour

[Finefeather]

Posted by NancyV (here)
There are many so called heavens where many souls remain and are trapped only by their own acceptance, acquiescence and beliefs.

Nice...real...accurate post Nancy...thanks,
I think it is important to make it quite clear that the 'trapped' is not an event conspired by, lets say astral beings, but a self inflicted trap caused by ignorance and maybe just a little too much curiosity of things we should not mess with.
Entrapment, in this regard, is a mind game.

[Delight]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
So I cannot for the life of me see how light in any form can be used to feed anyone...oh! wait I can...If there is light I can see what's in the cupboard, so I can safely choose the cornflakes over the rat poison

Hope you still have a sense of humour

Laughing is the best medicine ever.

I heard the most amazing story about a man named Peter Erbe who wrote a book I like very much! (From Tragic to Magic: God I AM). I wondered about him then heard through people who know him that he "died" (whatever that means). I heard some stories that seem as though while he "lived" he was walking his fine talk.

One story is that a clear unmarked liquid (turned out to be a solvent type fluid) at a friend's house was mistaken for water. Someone poured it into glaesses. Peter Erbe just drank it down in one gulp. The other person sipped gagged, spit and freaked out. Peter's response was...I already drank it and I will be just fine and he was just fine. Did he transmute everything by some light he shone?

Apparently Peter Erbe was fearless so lived full on.
That is the kind of testimony I am glad to hear from a teacher kind of person.

Someone just sent this to me and it fits what seems the preparation for any phase of life IMO. The thread is about the light after death. Then it touched on the light here and now. Then it also implies that someone is experiencing life as light or dark shades.

What if our religion was each other
If our practice was our life
If prayer, our words.
What if the temple was the earth
If forests were our church
If holy water - the rivers, lakes, and oceans
What if meditation was our relationships
If the Teacher was life
If wisdom was self-knowledge
If love was the center of our being

~ Ganga White

[Finefeather]

Posted by Delight (here)
What if our religion was each other
If our practice was our life
If prayer, our words.
What if the temple was the earth
If forests were our church
If holy water - the rivers, lakes, and oceans
What if meditation was our relationships
If the Teacher was life
If wisdom was self-knowledge
If love was the center of our being

~ Ganga White

Dear Delight
I think that just about sums up the real goal IMO...love it...thanks.
Love you
Ray