Is the white light after we die a trap?

**donk** · 5th March 2014 18:38

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by donk (here)
Are you sure they “wish us dullness”, or perhaps rather they are just taking our light for themselves.

If that was the case and we assume that light is 'good' and dark is 'bad'...would that not mean that 'they' would now be full of light...and would that not then make them 'good'...and 'good' people don't take from 'bad' people...do they?

Well, all humor aside....I hoped to make two points with that statement--that I feel it is useful to not "judge" or "label" light as good--and not judge anyone either way. Especially in the sense of "wishing harm on us".

Why would a being do that--unless it was in some way "good" for them? (and therefore their wishes about our condition are only secondary, from their serivce to theirselves...)

**seeker/reader** · 5th March 2014 18:44

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**we-R-one** · 5th March 2014 18:53

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)

we-R-one
I didn't see anyone post any science as part of their reasoning behind their belief. Beliefs are energy fields. The way our reality is set up, is something only exists if we seek it out.

Remember this quote:
”The act of us searching, the act of the human heart and the human mind looking at the universe expecting to see something will always create something for us to see. The act of us looking with the expectation that something is there, is an act of creation unto itself.” - John Wheeler, American theoretical physicist

That is what the science is telling us.

Most of this debate is concerned with personal spiritual and out of the norm experiences and observations, not science?

Yes, I understand, but science is catching up, which is why I posted the information. I'm surprised no one else did, as I know there are many others familiar with the studies. For me, having this understanding kinda kills the debate in many arguments wouldn't you say?

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
How dose, to mention one name 'Nassim Haramein's' new views of reality, black-holes, particles and the universe resonate with you?

Honestly, I'm familiar with the name but not his work. Most of what I've learned has been self taught..I kinda do it backwards, lol. I can't keep up with all these guys. So for me, I'll have the experience and then read about it later. This is how I'm able to validate what some of these guys are saying. Their efforts give me the vocabulary and knowledge base to make sense of what I've been experiencing so now it's coming full circle.

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
BTW Don't think I'm anti-science but! most printed mainstream science is exactly that 'Mainstream'! I'm not a big fan of Mainstream anything at the moment! Same comparison could be the Health and medicine business, most people only see and rely on Mainstream version of reality!

The science I'm giving you isn't mainstream, cause if it was, would we even be having this conversation? It appears they like to call it 'new science', but to me it isn't 'new science' it's the way it's always been. For many, many years we were led to believe that we existed independently from the world we live in, now we know otherwise.

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
we-R-one I will be backtracking and try to develop my connection to the 'source field' I was once more connected but other negative events broke me.

Yes, this is what we all should be doing! This is what's real. Before one can access, one must learn the language it speaks, that's the challenge. I know it can be done as I've done it myself, so if I can do it anyone can as I have absolutely no training, lol...maybe that's the trick? No programming to interrupt the natural process......I have much to learn and look forward to...shall I say re-gaining my ability to read "the field" as I once played the role of an oracle in a past life, so surely...I must have had the skill set, unless I was a lousy oracle....hey what can I say, infinite possibilities, lmao.

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
Maybe you could add a little 'Best version links' to this essential subject!

I wish I could, but I haven't compiled a set yet. I highly recommend watching Gregg Braden's video The Divine Matrix if you haven't already; yep it's a doozy, 3:48:00, but well worth it. I hadn't seen this one until Donk brought it to the forefront, so thank you for that Donk. The key is changing the way you think...so instead of using your brain, focus on using your heart to make your decisions. I think us human try and make it too complicated so it deems the process even more difficult than it needs to be. I suspect this is due to all the programming we're having to weed through. If you'll notice when you watch the video, the ancient texts he sites give very simple instructions.
Gregg Braden-The Divine Matrix
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DRPfXHni1ok

**Violet** · 5th March 2014 19:02

Quite some reactions already, so forgive me if the question has already been asked but: can we escape the light? Even if knowing.

We can all know this information now and plan in our heads that when we die we're not to go towards any bright light, but when I look at earth,...How shall I say it? Apparently the light is very attractive...On earth experience has shown that is very difficult to not go to attractive "things"...You know?

**Synchronicity** · 5th March 2014 19:21

And we really don't know that going to any particular light makes any difference on where you end up anyway. Just saying...light isn't a bad thing...bright light isn't a bad thing. Shadows aren't bad things necessarily, either. Dark can be healing, too. It's not absolute.

I woke up this morning from a dream that I was told to remember. I was living in some house with a supposed husband and supposed child I didn't recognize, although if I didn't look with my intuition I would think they were my family. The house was kind of dark and gloomy, and I knew some energy there was negative. I saw it around my "husband" and after getting permission I worked on removing it. His eyes rolled back in his head to show only white and a growing sound came from him. But doing energy work has prepared me for this shows and I just asked, "Really? I don't think you are on tv. This isn't a scary movie and I'm not frightened. Now either ask for help or leave him. He is not yours", and I did remove that energy. It wasn't really big and scary, but was something that had attached to him and was gone soon. The house lightened up, the child was fine, the "husband" dissolved and I woke to my bedroom. The dream was about seeing through illusion, trusting my intuition and guides, and not accepting anything at face value without using that intuition. The message for me was that there is outside us that is for distraction and intimidation, and that lowers us to that vibration frequency. There is within and sometimes without that raises it and it is up to us to heal and be that positive ripple.

So yes, when I journey and end up between stars, sometimes I see a beautiful Earth and sometimes I see starlight. It isn't good or bad...it just is. That is what I see...things aren't good or bad. It's what we assign to them...one culture might assign evil to what another might see as a god or nirvana. Just my thought...I come back again to feeling it is about our own perspective. All I have...I guess I shouldn't say it again since I did already...lol

**greybeard** · 5th March 2014 19:34

I tend to go with what enlightened sages have said for thousands of years.
You will end up in the "heaven" that is concordant with your spiritual vibration.
Those that like drama and the bizarre will end up in that kind place.
Those who love joy, beauty, peace, harmony.kindness, sharing will end up in that kind of place--because that's how they act in this world.
Jesus said "In my Fathers house are many mansions"
The late Dr David Hawkins wrote quite a bit about attractor fields in Power vs Force and how you do attract into this life that which is of the same vibration as your self--- whatever you give out comes back to you.
Basically there is only love or fear and they both attract more of the same.
David Icke said--"There is only unconditional love the rest is illusion"---I agree with that.
Nothing complex---simple.
Love God. Love your fellow man---thats it.

Chris

**Wind** · 5th March 2014 19:37

Like attracts like.

**we-R-one** · 5th March 2014 20:31

Posted by observer (here)
Allow me to point to one consideration you might wish to make, we-R-one, regarding what John Wheeler didn't address.

What you are referring to as a “Source Field” is called by the scientific community, "The Quantum Field of Infinite Potential". The double-slit experiment demonstrates how this Field, through observation, which prior to observation exists only as a field of energy, is collapsed into physical matter.

If then, this is a Field of Infinite Potential being individually collapsed into reality, why don't we all see something different when we perceive the same infinite field? Why do we all commonly collapse that energy into the manifestation of, say, an apple? Or, what makes us all see the same matter when we view this Infinite Field of Energy?

The only plausible explanation to this phenomenon is that there is some sort of control mechanism, outside of our perception, that is controlling the Quantum field of Infinite Potential.

So, for someone to use the double-slit experiment as an example of how we all create our own reality, one must further conclude that we are all preprogrammed in some way to collectively collapse this infinite field of energy into similar matter.

Regardless of how this works, it is a control mechanism.

The physical evidence points to anomalous structures on the surface of the Moon. Contrary to what some of the members are saying about these structures being photoshopped, I would suggest it is more likely that it is the quantum field of infinite potential being “photoshopped”- by highly advanced artificial mind manipulation technologies. That’s where the evidence points.

A mass realization of how this phenomenon works is the first step in releasing one's eternal soul from the trap.

This has nothing to do with fear, it has more to do with gaining a tactical advantage.

Yes, I understand your point. There are more studies, but I can't post everything here as it will take me off topic, that's why it was difficult to do the initial post to make my case. I'm sure there are studies that I'm not even aware of which cover your question.

In pondering what you ask, I would say this....the answer already lies within the photons that our world is made of. Because we live in a holographic universe, the answer is already determined, it doesn't need to be discovered, it's already there, which is why we all see the same thing. I think you want to refer to this study:

1. Switzerland, University of Geneva July 25, 1997, by Nicolas Gisin- Whatever they do to one particle, the other particle acts like it’s still connected even though it’s 14 miles apart. This is called entanglement. Once particles are physically separated, even though they’re not together physically the energy is still connected. Scientists tell us, if we could go back in time, to the beginning of time of our universe, everything was connected. The point being, the experiment showed that once a particle is physically connected and then physically separated the energy is still connected, which is why we are all still connected. Summary: Particles once joined physically, appear to remain linked energetically.

Source: Gregg Braden

I'm no scientist, but if I'm understanding the material correctly I think that would be the answer. I'm sure it can be explained 20 times better, but for quickness, that's my perception.

Posted by observer (here)
The only plausible explanation to this phenomenon is that there is some sort of control mechanism, outside of our perception, that is controlling the Quantum field of Infinite Potential.

But when you say this...doesn't it sound like we're victims? I dunno, just thinking out loud here. I don't feel like a victim anymore so though I see what you're saying, I don't look at the situation as being a victim, but that's also because I believe we live in a false reality, so what happens here on Earth, isn't really what's real. It's a playground for one to evolve and you can't evolve if duality doesn't exit on some level. I also have the luxury if you want to call it of remembering a particular past life and the more I explore I see intelligent design and if my soul was trapped, why has there been so much care put into this lifetime ensuring that it matches that lifetime and not just myself, but also those who were around me during that time period and are with me today? I just don't buy the argument that they have the level of control they want us to believe they do.

**Sunny-side-up** · 5th March 2014 20:38

Posted by Finefeather (here)

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
It's one thing to take something but! it's what you do with it (or can do with it) that gives an end result!

One creature taking 'White Light' form a totally different creature and then using it for it's own distorted needs will not make them Good. It might give them food energies though!

My post was meant as a joke if you notice the smiley

but anyway...
I think you might be confusing 'light' with energy or prana which is in fact the stuff which many parasitic 'astral' entities feed on...including emotional energy.

If you use the word light in the context of consciousness or enlightenment then you should not forget that no Being is without some form of consciousness...and consciousness is not energy.

If you use the word light as is used usually...then it also makes no sense, because all Beings on earth experience the light of the sun or a bulb etc...which in terms of darkness could also be related to awareness or consciousness..."I can see now that the light is on".

So I cannot for the life of me see how light in any form can be used to feed anyone...oh! wait I can...If there is light I can see what's in the cupboard, so I can safely choose the cornflakes over the rat poison

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Hope you still have a sense of humour

Late reply: Yes your right Finefeather , I didn't mean the trap taking the Light and then using it as an energy. Got absent minded there (:! (Good opening there for you to weave a joke around

Don't worry though Finefeather ill never lose my sense humour . I love to laugh at myself many times a day

but never make fun of others. Not meant to be a hostility towards you there Finefeather, just stating my uses of humour.

Anyways all this be tit for tat on word play, I still (Myself) have this query about the 'White Light' as a possible trap! I still see it as a set of 'Blinding head lights' with a mind suck 'spelt with a F' the other side of it!

Taking the indoctrinated, ingrained for some image of the 'Light' 'Light Tunnel' and turning it into a trap ( Or maybe always has been an implanted trap) to where we have our memories erased and so, denying our true potential energy each incarnation. Enslaving us and using us for food, our prana/energy, which ever name you give to it!

I recharge my self (Not often enough) with visualized White Light, which in effect is a kind of feeding! that what we humans can do.
When ever I think of my personal light, I actually think and see it as Golden, when I send light energy, it is my intent to send Pure refined Golden Light! maybe with touches of blue or green or red or Pink (A mix), depending on the need as I see/feel it at the time. Refined colors of light from the source white light you might say.
Now that's say you like sweet drinks, I could send you a lump of raw sugarcane to sweeten your drink but, I bet you would rather have some refined sugar!

I do not fear death but! but if I am out walking my dog late at night in the pitch black of night, and I notice a bright white beam of light shining into my eyes well!
I instantly think self-defense and wonder who/what is Hiding the other side of it!

One (3 times) of my experiences I saw a Golden/Orange distant sun/star like object, it seemed to be a universe distance away but, nothing hidden or blinding about it. That was very inviting, it was emitting great feelings of Love and calmness! It was LOVE and CALMNESS! and so powerful all at the same time.

Anyways a great post/s that I have learned much from, even seen many defenses of views and beliefs,
noted have been the constructive informative concerns of safety.

Love, Peace and many Hugs to you!
Alan

**Realeyes** · 5th March 2014 20:44

Earth is a School.

Before I took my driving test, I had lots and lots of practice lessons driving a car in all ways and weathers; read a highway manual - when I felt confident I took my test and passed.

I learned to drive the car through 'practice' not through reading a manual.

I applied the same principle regarding the white light reincarnation loop conundrum.... I learned how to induce my own out of body experiences giving me firsthand experiences of the 'other side' exploring the different levels by learning to shift up a gear in conscious frequencies. Each journey would broaden my horizons giving me a vital road map with more options and choices as well as revealing to me where I still had limited beliefs/attitudes to work upon here in 3D.

Speaking for myself, this 'practical homework' has been most valuable in so many ways. With out of body experiences the fear of death soon fades away....Time and Space becomes fluid...... and actually the wonderful begins filling our moments in this 'here' and our other 'heres'.

I did write more to this post but scrubbed it, NancyV's post is eloquent and to the point, so re-posting it.

Posted by NancyV (here)
Light can be used as a method of attracting souls to a particular "place" where they can be delayed/trapped for a while and it can be a very valuable lesson. If one has not yet realized their powers of creation and absolute control they can be subject to others attempting to and often succeeding in controlling them. Eventually they will tire of being controlled, even if that control is by a "god" who seems to be benevolent and loving. So light has many aspects and can be used as an attractor tool in it's lower vibrational frequencies. The higher and highest frequencies of light also strongly attract us. Light is love and varying frequencies have greater or lesser intensities of love. We are attracted to love since that is what we are as Source.

There are many so called heavens where many souls remain and are trapped only by their own acceptance, acquiescence and beliefs. Some will eventually find their own powers of creation and will leave, others will be reborn, others will remain for an indeterminate time (time doesn't mean much at this point). Some will be aided by those who have chosen to help free souls who are trapped in either heavens or hells. All they have to do is to change their beliefs, tap into love and accept their power of creation. Then they can leave and the trap is no longer a trap but just a lesson along the way.

I don't look on this process as a negative or diabolical one, even if some who play these games are motivated by the desire for power and control over others. Others are actually helping more unevolved souls to evolve at a pace that suits them. As long as an individual soul accepts or is influenced by fear it will be able to be controlled. Love conquers fear and one who has merged into love completely cannot be controlled and has no fear. But if a soul is not quite ready to reach full power and merge with Source, these different planes and dimensions (including this earth reality we're aware of right now) all contain valuable lessons and exciting games, no matter if they seem to be hellish or heavenly.

We choose to be here and we choose to have an awareness of being apart from Source. I don't know the reason why we, as Source, choose to come into the Creation. But the Source and the Creation are in an endless loop with many dimensions to be experienced. At the same time the Source and the Creation are one and the same. It's hard for my mind to really comprehend this and I only have total knowingness when I am completely merged with Source....and then it doesn't matter at all. As Source I don't look for reasons I just AM...and it's all perfect. It is in the Creation where we play the games and vie for energy, power and control in various ways. So we are playing with other aspects of ourselves, the positive/loving and the negative/evil. We are not separate but only perceive ourselves as separate. It must be fun or we wouldn't continue doing it!

Excellent post NancyV!

**we-R-one** · 5th March 2014 20:57

Posted by Becky (here)
Hi We-R-one,
Thank you for your post, it's very interesting and enlightening in places.

I would like to say though that Simon does not mean to make us fearful with what he says and brings out into the light/open. Sometimes he's not as clear as he could be, or could elaborate more to enable people to get a bigger/better picture, but he certainly doesn't intend to mislead us. He says truths as he sees/understands them, then it is up to us as individuals to interpret that how we can. But he never intended to be a 'guru' and he certainly doesn't, as the 'Simon says' video demonstrates, 'say one thing and do another'. Simon lives his life as truthfully as he can. In his words to me...
'I am here to serve people ~ to combat evil and spread the awakening.'

This topic is vital, and for the most part people have been discussing it openly and from lots of different valuable viewpoints which have been enlightening to us all. We can all choose a pathway/idea that we find resonates the most with each of us, as individuals, at any one time.

What has crept in from time to time is a negative energy/attitude towards Simon - who incidentally has had not even seen this thread - and this is not helpful or necessary as his quote has been taken out of context and given a different energy/angle/edge to that which it was originally delivered. So there's a slight hint or an outright statement that he is out to manipulate us. I think anyone who has worked with him would know from their heart that this is not true.

Just think this needs saying.

Yes, I appreciate what you're saying. Many people will take this stance, but yet they continue to participate in fear based realities, this is part of the psyoping. Here's the trap that happens all the time....Let's take something that the masses believe to be good and flip its intention to change it's meaning. They do this all the time and we fall for it over and over again...all the time. So to me, this is no different. Lots of well meaning people push fear based agendas, it's part of the programming and yet none of them want to take any responsibility for it. Maybe for some, that's part of their test? Maybe their role is to teach another? Who's to say? Simon's actions are open for the individual to interpret. It's not my place to judge him. But I did feel a need to come on this thread and submit a viewpoint that hadn't been offered. The Simon says video was tongue and cheek humor. I posted it with the purpose getting people to think for themselves, not for the point of Simon saying one thing and then doing another, BUT, that being said, if you think about it, the portion of the video you're referring to is exactly the point I just made above. I think we can all say somewhere along in our incarnation we have played this game and played it well.

EDIT TO ADD: Couldn't you say the only reason fear exists is because we keep acknowledging it? And since we live in a holographic universe the more that we insist on that acknowledgment, the more it's mirrored within the universe. So what we're experiencing now, is that fear mirroring right back on us. So at some point somewhere, enough of us need to shut off the fear mechanism and start promoting a heart centered approach to handling our problems and we can't keep looking to others to do it..The very reason why our hearts are tied to the magnetics of this planet is so that there's a mechanism in place to help us heal and in the same way the problem is mirrored throughout the hologram, so is the solution.

**we-R-one** · 5th March 2014 23:25

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
[...]
.... The only reason I feel compelled to respond is because I see people being mislead and it bothers me to the very core. [...]

See, it is for that very reason that some of us put a caveat on that “White Light” thingy since some of us have been able to recall the experience of that “Soylent Green” recycler and back to the grind.

I would refer you to the Universal Law of creating your own reality. All possibilities exist because they lie within the hologram. So it's not that what you or others are experiencing isn't real, but based on what you believe determines what you will experience. We're not all going to experience the same thing, that's the beauty of it. Why? I would say it's because we're all at different stages in our growth. A hologram allows for individual choice! You see from reading what you wrote above, I would say you're still in victim mode.. you feel victimized which is why you refer to your experience as having been through the Soylent Green recycler. I would say there's something that hasn't happened yet within your soul growth to make you see otherwise. I'm not making fun of you either. If creating your own reality is a Universal Law, that puts the power in your hands to do as you wish and there's enough science to show this is real. If you truly believed this Universal Law you would no longer feel like a victim and you would embrace your experience as part of your growth. Just my opinion.

So it could be that you're just missing a part of the science that's not putting it all together for you? I'm referring to the study I posted earlier, I think on my response to Observer, post #165.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Also to neglect this kind of evidence:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
One way to look at this is to consider that, let's say for the last 10,000 years, there hasn't been much more than one iota of improvement on Earth from any of these dudes that went into that white light... when back on the ground... How come?

See?

10,000 years of prayers, hopes, incense burning, sacrifices, immolations, etc... and have a good look at where we are at.... I don't know about anyone else but I find that such an end result is an indication that there is something terribly not quite right.

… and not taking into account 10,000 years of being led down the garden path is pure folly.

This, by the way, lends heavy credence to those catholic/christian preacher dudes who keep throwing at one’s face that one has only one life to make it out. Otherwise it’s back to the memory shredder and start over again.

Hey I know, why don't you try accessing the source field as your answer lies there! lmao

kidding...well sort of....wish it was that easy. Yes I've heard this argument before. I have several answers for this... The time for change is now...we weren't ready back then. It's taken many lifetimes for souls to evolve. It doesn't happen overnight it's a process. I can see the changes in people now compared to what I see when I look back in history.

The preacher's message is fear based, can you see that? And because you embrace it as such, that's what you reap due to the hologram! If I remember correctly there are 45 very important text missing from the mainstream. Many of the answers lie within them; So much is hidden from the public, the information seems non-existent. They address reincarnation even in the bible, though if you talk to some Christians they'll tell you it's evil. Now does that sound like a message of love or does it sound like fear?

In regards to the 10,000 prayers my response would be- those orchestrating the prayers weren't speaking the language of the field which is why they went unanswered! They were asking with their mind not their heart, big difference. And the secret is not to ask, it's to feel as if it's already been done. We have been so programmed in addition to having the information pulled from our text, that we have lost where we come from, we have lost our heart center abilities. Now the science is matching what has been found in the ancient texts. Western civilization is so behind with this knowledge, that's why it seem so foreign to most. Some do experience miracles, but they're not miracles, it's that they talked to the field in a manner with which the field responded, hence the miracle is created. But it's not a miracle, it's the ability one has when they access the field with the emotion of their hearts! Dare I say, it's so easy, it's hard.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
You use results from science to demonstrate your point and that’s well taken: I have no problems with that whatsoever.

However, physics has this pesky law of reciprocality and therefore the corollary of one truth is also true…

In other words, if anything works one way, it also works in reverse. Human technology is now at a stage where these white light, honey or vortex traps can be understood:

Take orbs (particularly this post as well as this one <---- click) that are now being seen on digital snapshots.

Prior to digital cameras, they didn’t “exist” except for psychics/clairvoyants. Now, they are being revealed and “captured” on memory cards.

That they are being made visible via these digital cameras is something of extreme significance because it implies that these “spirits’ energies” floating around are interfering with the light wavelength used and, the corollary is that, that same light is interfering with them and, therefore, can be used to influence them via some waves/frequency/resonance of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Ok, I think I have the same response for this, and I think you're just missing a piece of the puzzle. When you say this, "In other words, if anything works one way, it also works in reverse."My answer is yes, because you live in a hologram. Anything is possible and has all ready happened, so everything you can think of already exists. Again, go to the photon study I mentioned on post #165 and it will make more sense to you.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Moreover, when an energy of “love” is directed at something, conversely, that 'something" can be made to “record” that energy/vibration/frequency/resonance/harmonic and be broadcasted back at the push of a button.

… right there you’ve got that “white light” trap as a carrier wave embedded with whatever matches the longing of the wandering spirit as a mirroring of the resonating frequency.

This is most probably also where the Buddhist’s quest for “detachment” comes from since any longing or desire gets to be a potential trap… “they’ll” give it to you: “you want to go home? No problem, this way, follow me!” ... and the Bardo Thodol was implemented to help avoid the many pitfalls one is bound to encounter on the other side of life.

I see what you're saying, but again I perceive this as a reflection of victimhood.

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
So, if what's above is actually, really truly understood, what do you think is the actual psyop?

Personally I tend to think it is the one that’s currently being promoted via mass MSM distribution now that the main “religions” are fast losing their grip on populations.

The pysop is fear. There are two emotions, love and fear. What do you see in your world now? Which emotion is dominating? FEAR....Geez you don't even have to get out of your chair, just look at all the threads on here. They're a reflection of all the energy we put out that's fear based. This creates the exact environment everyone says they want to get out of! Why? Because many won't look in the mirror and take responsibility for their actions. Many insist on promoting fear based concepts and ideologies. I see it every day, I've heard every excuse. So you wonder why it's taken 10,000 years, lmao.....It's how you treat people,..do you practice the golden rule? Do you believe in capital punishment? If you do, then you are promoting the eye for an eye concept which falls in the fear category. So you have a crime committed that creates a negative response and by choosing capital punishment you respond by killing the person which is a negative response, in doing so you promote the behavior of lower frequency. Every time you say, 'my gut tells me'.....you're promoting lower frequency. You want to say, "my heart says..." Get what I'm saying? Every choice has an effect as everything around you is energy, there's no getting around it so when deal with problems and how to handle them think about the energy that you'll create within that response. Being spiritual is about learning how to operate from the heart, not the gut.

I believe this time in history is different. I know I'm different and if I'm changing, others are changing too. I feel we have enough science to prove the point, and as more and more understand how they can make the changes it will happen, it already has, because it's within the hologram!

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
“Out there” on the other side of life, as you already know, one creates one’s reality a lot faster and the “enslavers” have quite a head’s up on “us” humans in creating “their” reality and manipulating that same energy field.

UUhh, there you go again...always the victim! I'm trying really hard to reach you... We as individuals are giving our power away on a daily basis, we make it easy for them because we keep choosing to acknowledge fear!That acknowledgment of fear goes back out into the universe and because we live in a hologram it reflects back at us creating a fear based society. As long as you keep thinking you're a victim you WILL feel like a prisoner trapped. Stop acknowledging and putting energy into fear based ideologies. Belief systems are energy fields, that vibrate at a frequency. Fear is a lower frequency. If constant belief systems based on fear are continually acknowledged and supported by the masses they are creating their own demise. Everyone is responsible for this, everyone! Emotions vibrate at a frequency that reverberates across the hologram and because you live in a hologram it mirrors the effect right back at you. If you think with your heart and not your mind and create higher vibrational frequencies in the hologram the same thing happens. The hologram is designed to work quickly and in the same way we can destroy our environment we can fix it. The studies show that emotions change the DNA in your body, the DNA changes the matter around you. the protons of this universe are designed to conform to your DNA. Everybody has to look at their behavior. Is your behavior one of supporting lower frequencies or higher frequencies? Do you promote fear or do you promote love?

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Anything created on this Earth “below” has been weaponized one way or another especially in the field of mind control via electromagnetic frequencies/resonances/harmonics/waves; so, guess what one is going to run into in that “above” which this “below” is a mirror of?

You're putting a one size fits all application to the situation. If you're the creator of your reality, Universal Law, and you believe all the above that is what YOU will experience, not necessarily what everyone else will. Remember there are unlimited possibilities and the answers have already been found. What about the people who don't know of weaponization? How can they experience something they don't know about? If they don't know about it, how can they believe? And if they don't believe, how does it exist, for them?

I know I probably sound like a broken record; I keep hoping if I say things differently it will click for someone. The lack of understanding could be from just missing a few pieces of the puzzle that I'm not relaying well enough for you or others to understand.

Forgive my typos, this is long.

**Kalamos** · 6th March 2014 00:21

[This is a long post, sharing my perspectives and suspicions based off very possibly incorrect representations of metaphysical ideas]

It has been suggested and reiterated by some that "no self-tutored seer or clairaudient ever saw or heard quite correctly."

Where is the metaphysical in all of this? Are any of the Light Trap Idea proponents at all clairvoyants to a great degree? Is any of it founded on the metaphysical systems of knowledge from past and present, or is everything just controlled by Aliens? All of the esoteric science of the soul was channeled to us by Aliens all this time? Really?

Systems that direct man on how to control his lower nature, to transmute himself by the Will of the SELF to be a being above the lower worlds, above fear and suffering through understanding of Evolution?

Or is it just Aliens trapping us here and feeding off our emotions, and recycling souls?

Some writers suggest that the Astral body is made up of unconscious material 'beings' (sleeping monads) that are descending into dense physical matter, on their involutionary path to become incarnate mineral beings, and from there begin their evolutionary journey (that old saying that the spirit [monad] sleeps in the mineral, awakens in the vegetable, develops motion in the animal, and realizes its individual consciousness in the human kingdom.)

To reach lower densities these unconscious monads of our astral body are attracted to the most dense aspects of the Astral sub-planes, as they correspond to the lower densities of physical matter. The lowest sub-planes of the Astral World are made up of our lower emotions (elementals/thought-forms), whereas the higher aspects correspond to lighter and less dense physical material substances, and begin and correspond at the superetheric physical plane, which is present in our physical world, but mostly unseen (to those without etheric sight) and which may appear in the afterlife as Light, and correspond to Higher Emotions, as is noted by those who've seen this Light ...

The Light, from whatever dimension, Feels Good, and meditators and NDE'rs describe Love.

Some may move from dark planes of a lower of confused and fearful emotions, toward a Light where they feel Love--a higher vibration/dimension/plane.

But we are told this is a Trap by Aliens now?

So continuing on about the Astral-Emotional matter of that body...

When we die, the Lower part of that body, which most strongly wants to continue to stay near the lower planes while descending toward physical matter by Natural Involutionary Tendency, which is the purpose of our co-operation with it as Evolutionary beings, as we as a conscious/awake evolutionary monad need to grow out of lower matter, where the unconscious involutionary beings/monads of our Emotional body are growing into it.

But why? It's for experience, for all monads involved to learn and gain experiences in all the dimensions, to come to know them and understand their workings, and so reach a goal of conscious creation in those dimensions according to Cosmic Processes. We carelessly do this now, as we are still learning about, experiencing, and evolving out of the lower Worlds of Man.

Anyway, so when we die a physical death, and we move, with our astral body away from dense physical matter, the natural tendency is for our (Man's) monadic SELF to separate from the monads of the Emotional-Astral Involutionary matter, starting from the lowest first, and progressing upwards. Where while alive we (monads) are co-creating experiences, each riding one another for experience that is mutually beneficial.

When we die, the Lower Emotional Body coalesces and forms an elemental sheath around our higher principles/bodies, which it does unconsciously, but by Natural Instinct, so to try and keep itself closer to the physical world--it's goal (the collective goal of those lower monads) for them is to incarnate into mineral bodies, the dusts).

This elemental sheath is called the Desire-Elemental.

The Lower Emotional Body in a coalesced sheath, called the Desire-Elemental, tries to dominate the situation for a time, and it succeeds for the most part, which is why many experience the lower planes first, and objectively, as well as remain near the physical world, it's closest correlating plane, in and near the most dense parts--physical, liquid, solid, and gas--what we see with our eyes.

By Natural process, and 'time' dependent on the Emotional nature/development of the dying personality (dependent also on an conscious and informed Will of the Self), this Desire Elemental eventually breaks up and dissipates as we (the monadic SELF of Man) ascend by Natural Tendency to our resting place in Higher Planes; the Elemental dissipates allowing us to gradually ascend into higher sub-planes of the Emotional World, those which correspond to the higher emotions, which correspond to higher forms of matter in the physical world-- the superetheric and higher (invisbile to physical eyes) which could seen as Light/Energy planes. There are correspondences likely to the higher Mental Worlds as well (but that comes later in our after death journey).

If I got any of that right, then I would suggest that avoiding a Loving Light, which feels good and is drawing you from the Darker lower densities of Earth and Astral matter; avoiding the Light could serve to prolonging your stay and life while your are dominated for a short time by the Desire Elemental.

This Desire-Elemental, that seeks to experience lower worlds, is built of material used by the spooks of Spiritists and Mediums, as well as the Elemental itself might become employed now by Dark Beings in the Lower Emotional Worlds, to 'act' like ghosts and Aliens (and other elaborate thought-forms), and so channel these ideas about alien domination (which no matter how much fluff is being mixed into it) cause confusion and fear to anyone who is unsure (and anyone not above a false surety) of their sovereignty as SELF.

Does it seem fitting that the Bad Guys suggest we stay, and prolong our life in the Astral by Avoiding the Light as it happens Naturally? ... which a longer stay in those lower planes puts the enveloped Soul inside the Desire Elemental at risk of being recruited into the Forces of Darkness for a time?

It is an intelligent trap indeed.

LIGHT=LOVE is no more? We have to be suspicious of aliens on Earth, and now after death?

I suggest one should go to the Light, to discard your Lower Bodies which do have a consciousness affect on us while incarnate and dis-incarnate, by way of being the vehicles of our Emotional expressions. But there are higher emotions in the Causal planes, True Joy, Peace, Love and Understanding, and that's where we go to rest after assimilating our experiences in the Higher Emotional, then Mental Worlds.

Or, you could dodge the Light and start walking around with the hungry ghosts, asking to go to Source. Soon enough, one of our rescue friends, those silent helpers here and there, will fetch you and bring you back to the Light.

If the Light Trap Idea is a False Idea perpetuated for whatever reason on the sensitives and truth seekers of the Alt community, then it would work to provide THEM bad guys with more servants and material forms to employ as aliens and ghouls in the fearful darkness of the night, while propagating this escapist mentality.
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further notes to this speculative post:

-The Idea coming into our minds about Aliens feeding and recycling our souls might be a polluted reflection of something more like this:

-that beings and nature spirits in higher and parallel dimensions do feed off or use our thoughts and feelings. The negative ones feed on fear based emotions, while positive beings feed up higher emotions. It's not just hungry Aliens. What happened to all the ghosts?

-the idea the beings have complexes on the moon that recycle our souls and wipe our memories might be a polluted reflection that, perhaps beings do do this, but it is their job to do this. They recycle the material of thought and emotion, which are energies that are intelligently linked to our Soul. These are beings who work in the planetary processes of Cosmic Law who's work it is to get our material and energies/tendencies/skandhas linked back to our soul for the reincarnation process.

There may be beings, great and small, in other worlds, in the order of magnitudes greater that the number of human souls. These are MYSTERIES, but we might be receiving Mental Ideas about these beings and processes now a days, for whatever reason, but likely do to the procession into a New Age, which will bring with it revelations of Knowledge about these worlds and their inhabitants.

My personal opinion is that we are linking Ideas, Beings, and Processes that we are just re-discovering, but are receiving them incompletely through the multitudinous number of people coming through with these ideas from the mental plane.

The Ideas and Knowledge may our earned right, but the Dark Forces may be purposefully twisting the ideas to cause us to fear the higher beings that may just be here to assist us, and are doing a job that we don't understand yet.

Disclosure might be nothing of what we think it is, but a new paradigm coming soon that will explain all of these processes that we are here and there all still guessing at; new science will be revealed that explains many of these fussy and fantastic ideas as Spiritual, Mental, Emotion --- psychological disorders of consciousness.

Lastly, I admit that I could have all of this backward, and I may be wrong about the Light. I do strive to keep an open, yet critical mind.

If and when we all find that the paradigms we've been emotionally and mentally investing in, and even the persons and teachers we've trusted, have either been wrong by human error of interpretation, or wrong because we've been deceived by others who've been deceived, then we'll all have painful adjustments.

I preface almost everything I write as hypothesis, because I know that I don't KNOW.

**Sunny-side-up** · 6th March 2014 01:27

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