Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Hervé]

Seems to me the signal got lost in the noise...

It's very simple, when Simon and others "talk" of the white light construed to be experienced with NDEs, we are talking about a similar BEAM that's used for abductions. Point final/Full stop.

With that, sovereign people will question and repel it tooth and nail whereas unaware ones will most probably be manipulated into: "Oh! Look! What a pretty butterfly!"

[carryattune]

I remembered this offering from Disney. It seems fitting.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTUQyEr-sg0

[Sunny-side-up]

Nice and yes Amzer Zo

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Seems to me the signal got lost in the noise...

It's very simple, when Simon and others "talk" of the white light construed to be experienced with NDEs, we are talking about a similar BEAM that's used for abductions. Point final/Full stop.
With that, sovereign people will question and repel it tooth and nail whereas unaware ones will most probably be manipulated into: "Oh! Look! What a pretty butterfly!"

I think my last words within this possible 'Light Trap' post are these:
I've got from it what I originally needed:

1) Input on my queries! sorted as sorted it can be for now

2) The post has shown what an interest the possible Light-Trap generates!

3) It has been a good observation of Members positions and knowledge's of such a high end Life-path/spiritual phenomenon.

4) The post has shown me how FEAR has shown it's silly head. I myself never mentioned FEAR I only had concerns, concerns because I found we might have a choice when the times comes! No FEAR mentioned!

carryattune
Thanks for this:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TTUQyEr-sg0

Good to have a laugh

PS that theme shows it self in this other Disney cartoon 'Wreck-It Ralph'!

Love, Peace, Hugs and Laughs,
Alan

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by we-R-one (here)

"3. move away from the light........ keep saying to your true self " I wish to return to source" " I want to go home" repeat this over and over head away from the false white light.
Simon"

This is absolutely FALSE, unless you live in a fear based reality of course. Why do I know this? Because I know for a fact that you are the creators of your reality, you've seen the science and the response above IS NOT, the language the "field"(source field) speaks and if you don't speak the proper language, the "field" won't respond to your request.

Hi we-R-one,

For this post, let's not consider which is the better choice, or if PSYOPS is involved. Let's not bring fear into the discussion at all. Let's talk about personal experience.

If you have memories of being in this situation of choosing the light or not, can you tell us what you chose and then relate your experience?

What "language" did you speak to get the "field" to respond? I'm only asking for, lets say, a brief explanation of the top 3 examples if you feel comfortable responding.

Are these fair questions? Or is this out of context of your post?

Thanks, Ron

[Synchronicity]

Just a thought. I have seen many, many people die, worked on them medically at that time and felt their energy beneath my hands, seen their spirit/energy leave them, then helped many, many step into/through death, worked with them on the other side when needed. Death itself isn't difficult at all. The time before it can be if there is pain, fear, confusion, reluctance, or anger present, but death itself just isn't painful, hard, or scary. We are told all kinds of things about it and punishment and so forth. But it isn't. I have seen a few screaming and begging not to go...very annoying religious types (not dissing religion...these were people trying to convert everyone and are totally obnoxious about it...not your average person), but at the moment of death that fear eased and they went off as well. Otherwise I'm not commenting, but had to say that. Take it for whatever you wish or feel free to ignore.

[AngelArmy]

Posted by lightseeker (here)
Starseed108, you might find the answer you are searching for on wespenre.com. I learned of this site from Kerry Cassidy two or three years back and have read all of his research, from Level 1 to his most recent Level 4. In section 4 go to book 16 I believe, you will find the answer you are looking for. Going into the light is a trap, so that you are perpetually recycled back to earth through re incarnation at the whim of En.Ki. AKA Lucifer etc. There is still a grid around this planet in which we are unable to escape accoring to Penre. I suggest that you begin reading his work from Level 1 on ward. It will take you a very long time to get through all of his very well researched material, especially is you decide to check out his references and do your own research as I have. It is well worth the effort. You are not obliged to accept what Penre says. He makes it very clear that his research is about his journey and all are welcomed to explore and read his discoveries. You may or may not agree with some of his findings but you will learn a great deal, and may not necessarily agree with all you read. The choice is your.

Fantastic!!!! muchas gracias

[AngelArmy]

Posted by Violet (here)
Quite some reactions already, so forgive me if the question has already been asked but: can we escape the light? Even if knowing.

We can all know this information now and plan in our heads that when we die we're not to go towards any bright light, but when I look at earth,...How shall I say it? Apparently the light is very attractive...On earth experience has shown that is very difficult to not go to attractive "things"...You know?

what worries me is if we dont go into the light - surely we are left in the darkness

[AngelArmy]

and lest we forget - the tibetan book of the dead

[seeker/reader]

Maybe the FEAR that we need to recognize is that we have been programmed since forever to FEAR the DARK. The dark has been loaded with all kinds of NEGATIVE connotations which I believe is one of the ultimate PSYOPs out there, orchestrated by the controllers with a long term agenda in mind.

The DARK has been connected with NEGATIVE themes such as evil, corruption, deception, ignorance and death. The dark is supposedly a place to be FEARED as it is full of all things vile and lecherous. It has been portrayed as a place where we will be consumed and can never escape from.

Like the DARK, the LIGHT has had many connotations tied to it, which I too think is another of the ultimate PSYOPs, done on purpose by the controllers with a long term agenda in mind.

The LIGHT is connected to many themes such as goodness, purity, the truth, knowledge and life. As a result, the light is supposedly a place of sanctuary. It is portrayed as a place where you should want to go.

Keeping these potential PSYOPS in mind, when we die and we find ourselves in the DARK VOID, maybe we should not allow ourselves to fall into the pre-programmed trap of becoming FEARFUL of the DARK.

Maybe we should follow the advice of Paul Atreides from the movie DUNE. Here is the litany against FEAR

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"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past me I will turn to see fears path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing......Only I will remain."
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Maybe we should not allow ourselves to become FEARFUL of the DARK VOID. We should let the fear pass over us so we do not run to the FALSE LIGHT for salvation. We should not follow the PROGRAMMING. We will not fall into the trap. We will let the fear pass over us and where the fear has gone, there will be nothing (a falsity).... ONLY WE WILL REMAIN.

Maybe we don't have to choose the light over the dark. Maybe it is a false choice. Maybe they are playing good cop and bad cop, but they are still playing both roles. Duality is crammed down our throats. Maybe a different path in necessary.

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maybe we need to take the concepts of light or lack there of, the dark, out of the equation. Maybe it is all a deception that is part of the 3D matrix that we need to rise above when we leave the 3D body.

[korgh]

Posted by starseed108 (here)

Posted by Violet (here)
Quite some reactions already, so forgive me if the question has already been asked but: can we escape the light? Even if knowing.

We can all know this information now and plan in our heads that when we die we're not to go towards any bright light, but when I look at earth,...How shall I say it? Apparently the light is very attractive...On earth experience has shown that is very difficult to not go to attractive "things"...You know?

what worries me is if we dont go into the light - surely we are left in the darkness

LOL!
I tought the same, hahaha..
Could we bring a flashlight? or maybe a dog?

[Sebastion]

What Nancy has posted here is excellent stuff, for I too, have found it to be as she has stated. Nancy has a beautiful way with words, I wish I had the same ability to write as eloquently as she does. After reading all posts on this thread, it is rather easy to come to at least one basic conclusion. It has been stated countless times that the "way" is within you, it always has been and always will be.

The greatest mistake one can make is to constantly look outside of you for answers that can only be found within you and you alone. No one can do for you what only you can do for yourself. This would include looking for the light "outside" of you upon death of the physical. Once you put your foot down and draw a line in the sand and decide that you are going to find out for yourself once and for all, what the truth is for you, then the journey to knowing can earnestly begin. Until then all else is conjecture.

Posted by NancyV (here)
Light can be used as a method of attracting souls to a particular "place" where they can be delayed/trapped for a while and it can be a very valuable lesson. If one has not yet realized their powers of creation and absolute control they can be subject to others attempting to and often succeeding in controlling them. Eventually they will tire of being controlled, even if that control is by a "god" who seems to be benevolent and loving. So light has many aspects and can be used as an attractor tool in it's lower vibrational frequencies. The higher and highest frequencies of light also strongly attract us. Light is love and varying frequencies have greater or lesser intensities of love. We are attracted to love since that is what we are as Source.

There are many so called heavens where many souls remain and are trapped only by their own acceptance, acquiescence and beliefs. Some will eventually find their own powers of creation and will leave, others will be reborn, others will remain for an indeterminate time (time doesn't mean much at this point). Some will be aided by those who have chosen to help free souls who are trapped in either heavens or hells. All they have to do is to change their beliefs, tap into love and accept their power of creation. Then they can leave and the trap is no longer a trap but just a lesson along the way.

I don't look on this process as a negative or diabolical one, even if some who play these games are motivated by the desire for power and control over others. Others are actually helping more unevolved souls to evolve at a pace that suits them. As long as an individual soul accepts or is influenced by fear it will be able to be controlled. Love conquers fear and one who has merged into love completely cannot be controlled and has no fear. But if a soul is not quite ready to reach full power and merge with Source, these different planes and dimensions (including this earth reality we're aware of right now) all contain valuable lessons and exciting games, no matter if they seem to be hellish or heavenly.

We choose to be here and we choose to have an awareness of being apart from Source. I don't know the reason why we, as Source, choose to come into the Creation. But the Source and the Creation are in an endless loop with many dimensions to be experienced. At the same time the Source and the Creation are one and the same. It's hard for my mind to really comprehend this and I only have total knowingness when I am completely merged with Source....and then it doesn't matter at all. As Source I don't look for reasons I just AM...and it's all perfect. It is in the Creation where we play the games and vie for energy, power and control in various ways. So we are playing with other aspects of ourselves, the positive/loving and the negative/evil. We are not separate but only perceive ourselves as separate. It must be fun or we wouldn't continue doing it!

[korgh]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
What Nancy has posted here is excellent stuff, for I too, have found it to be as she has stated. Nancy has a beautiful way with words, I wish I had the same ability to write as eloquently as she does. After reading all posts on this thread, it is rather easy to come to at least one basic conclusion. It has been stated countless times that the "way" is within you, it always has been and always will be.

The greatest mistake one can make is to constantly look outside of you for answers that can only be found within you and you alone. No one can do for you what only you can do for yourself. This would include looking for the light "outside" of you upon death of the physical. Once you put your foot down and draw a line in the sand and decide that you are going to find out for yourself once and for all, what the truth is for you, then the journey to knowing can earnestly begin. Until then all else is conjecture.
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Yep, i agree with you. The choice is yours but the traps exist.. as NancyV wisely said.
If we live in a world (our dimension) and we are here to evolve our spirit or energy, when we leave our body/shell another amazing journey is waiting for us and a panoply of unthinkable things are waiting for a new soul, fresh and ready to..ready for..(?) <-- that question really frighten me.
I'm not prepared yet (spiritual, emotional, etc..) to get in whatever light, but i don't want to stay and wait for something even worst in the darkness (if exist).. I hope to meet some people on the way and see whats going on around and if someone brings some "light" to the situation. If i die right now, i don't buy any ticket before see who will be served in the "menu".

Cheers
Korgh (The Wary)

[Christine]

I keep coming back to this thread, not in that I am uneasy about my transit out of the physical reality. .. but because I find the discussion very interesting.

starseed108 and others fear, if we don't go to the light surely we will be left in the darkness… unfortunately darkness is something not understood and we are taught to fear it. Having been a voyager of the "dark sea of awareness", having been literally cast into the void I can tell you that one learns to see in the dark.. the dark unknown is just that.. the dark unknown, it isn't sinister at all.

Unfortunately the sinister elements have been able to use the cover of darkness to hide.. no wonder they go to great lengths to keep us in fear.

Take heart… conquer fear and stand on the edge of infinity.. embrace the unknown.

One can be blinded by the light, just as one can get lost in the dark. It takes a KNOWING of the SELF. In other words KNOWLEDGE is key.. what we don't have knowledge of can trap us. We need more than anything to take off the shackles of ignorance.

So what we remember, what we experience, the knowledge we obtain, the people we meet, the fear we conquer are the only reality that will answer the question.. where am I going after I die? You decide.

Science has met spirituality.. we have everything we need to know available to us. Explore, explore, explore. This is Avalon at its best… each of us is a part of creation, each of us is creating our reality… and we need to remember this creation is a joint effort.

I have recalled many of my lifetimes and in-between lives now.. I have experienced implant stations (not recommended) and most certainly my memory has been blurred again and again.. On thing I have learned is this.. you don't have to go anywhere.. you are already there. So leaving the body you can choose to remain integrated. And if you want to "go somewhere" remember that all you have to do is BE there. I apologize if my words make simple of something that can appear rather complex.. after going through as much of the complexity as you can remember to come home to the simplest answer… it is ALL about you.

Posted by starseed108 (here)
what worries me is if we dont go into the light - surely we are left in the darkness

[Bill Ryan]

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1) Here's the rub.

Of course, Simon can't prove what he states (although I fully agree with him about "not going into the light"... and I'm not sure that I can "prove" it either).

And we have to remember that it's rather astonishing (to me, at least) that Simon is able to keep up with the barrage of questions and feedback comments that he receives here (and, I'm sure, in a number of other places as well).

If all Simon's answers were written with due intellectual rigor (that he does NOT have time to do), each time he makes what to a few might appear to be an irritatingly definitive statement, he might add as a footnote caveat:

* These are my own opinions only. I'm quite sure of what I say, but by the nature of personal certainty that is de facto a subjective phenomenon. I do have sources sometimes that I either cannot reveal (if they are human contacts), or cannot easily explain (if they are ET ones).

I fully support, encourage and endorse that all readers, whether Avalon members or not, should do their own research and not rely on me for instant 'that's-great-because-I-don't-have-to-do-any-thinking-for-myself' answers.

I am not an oracle or a guru; just a human being (sort of! ) doing his best to assist others in any way I can. I encourage all discussion on these matters. I also encourage everyone to work diligently to come to their own sovereign certainty on this and every other matter, just as I have myself.

If every post that Simon made had the above (or something like it) appended, then maybe he would not receive so much criticism -- which in some cases has been more than a little unfair and unkind.

2) Re "Going into the light":

The point is, I think, that when you leave your body, as we all sometime surely will, just REMEMBER REMEMBER REMEMBER that you can make a choice: and that going into the light does not have to be a kneejerk reaction. That alone might save you from what is known as the between-lives implant.

Socrates might have argued it like this:

So last time you died, you went into the light. And you tell me you have a compulsion to do exactly the same thing next time.

But now, you're here, with your memory wiped, and you can't remember a damn thing about anything.

Is it possible all this is connected?

[we-R-one]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

With that, sovereign people will question and repel it tooth and nail whereas unaware ones will most probably be manipulated into: "Oh! Look! What a pretty butterfly!"

You're thought process as do others, omits consideration of the available science. But that's ok because here's what I think you should do:

1. Run away from the light...wait...don't run, sprint as fast as you can.
2. Don't look within, ask others what to do as you have no power and can't think for yourself.
3. Only accept fear based ideologies because you're more comfortable vibrating at lower frequencies.
4. Absolutely without a doubt, ignore all science and ancient text, as it's just meaningless crap that no one can understand anyways.

Do all those things and you will be just fine as the hologram will respond accordingly to your beliefs.

[Hervé]

I guess it's a very difficult endeavour to look at this square in the eye:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Seems to me the signal got lost in the noise...

It's very simple, when Simon and others "talk" of the white light construed to be experienced with NDEs, we are talking about a similar BEAM that's used for abductions. Point final/Full stop.

With that, sovereign people will question and repel it tooth and nail whereas unaware ones will most probably be manipulated into: "Oh! Look! What a pretty butterfly!"

Sorry if that's too simple...

[we-R-one]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I guess it's a very difficult endeavour to look at this square in the eye:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Seems to me the signal got lost in the noise...

It's very simple, when Simon and others "talk" of the white light construed to be experienced with NDEs, we are talking about a similar BEAM that's used for abductions. Point final/Full stop.

With that, sovereign people will question and repel it tooth and nail whereas unaware ones will most probably be manipulated into: "Oh! Look! What a pretty butterfly!"

Sorry if that's too simple...

You're still missing the science and it's just as simple. You create your own reality, period. So if you want to believe that the beam of light is that of a light used for abductions that is the reality you create. Yes, this reality you suggest is true, ...why? Because you live in a hologram and all possibilities are available so you experience the possibility of what you believe. THAT IS WHAT THE SCIENCE IS SHOWING US. All possibilities are what's possible. You are in the driver's seat. Everyone will have a different experience.

[Hervé]

Please be Bill's guest and start a thread explaining "The Science" to the many abductees, past and current, members or guests, who gravitate around Project Avalon

[donk]

I have no strong feelings either way about each individual's decision upon the final time of leaving their body, but I think the discussion is great in planting the seeds of the ability to actually consciously make a free will decision at that time that you may have otherwise automatically unthinkingly made a choice of utmost importance.

I'm not sure what I'll do, but I do like to get everyone's take. Dissent is important, criticism is a gift, no one is beyond being questioned, and perhaps it is most important to question our most sacredly held beliefs.

Some great philosopher may say it better: Not all (or everyone) is exactly as they may seem.

[we-R-one]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Please be Bill's guest and start a thread explaining "The Science" to the many abductees, past and current, members or guests, who gravitate around Project Avalon

I've posted the some of the science. I've given a link of a video to watch that discusses the science in its entirety. No point in reinventing the wheel. If you won't take the time to watch the video I already posted than I can't help you or others. You are missing the entire point I'm making because you don't understand what it means to live in a hologram. So all possibilities are available. So people are making choices to believe whatever they want to believe and they can because that possibility is already available in the hologram. So what they're experiencing is real. But that does not make it real for everyone else. We will see the same things, but that's because it's already in the hologram. We know this because of the implications of several studies such as this one done in Geneva. I already posted this so it says to me you're not paying attention or absorbing what I'm posting.

1. Switzerland, University of Geneva July 25, 1997, by Nicolas Gisin- Whatever they do to one particle, the other particle acts like it’s still connected even though it’s 14 miles apart. This is called entanglement. Once particles are physically separated, even though they’re not together physically the energy is still connected. Scientists tell us, if we could go back in time, to the beginning of time of our universe, everything was connected. The point being, the experiment showed that once a particle is physically connected and then physically separated the energy is still connected, which is why we are all still connected. Summary: Particles once joined physically, appear to remain linked energetically.