Is the white light after we die a trap?

[Calz]

Posted by Calamus (here)

I'll take a break from posting my viewpoints (but I'll be back).

You have already had one thread shut down ...

Why are you here???

[Sebastion]

An outstanding post from a very wise Lady! My thanks and respect to you Agape!

Posted by Agape (here)
Calamus and all ..

there's something 'little' I wish to insert here , also with respect to another thread of yours that I've only happened to notice minutes ago and your recent post full of questions.

Please listen carefully .. as this does not pertain only to you but others coming up with questions of great importance , 'life and death' matters , evolution of this world and beyond .

The following should have been made clear by some senior members of the Forum :

1/ seeking spiritual advice over the internet is risky endeavour . I'll never stop repeating this enough . While someone , somewhere, on the other side of the world may be more experienced, calibrated with knowledge , endowed with psychic powers of whatever sort ,
very few have the intention or capacity to serve as your personal guides . Even friends .. there's lots of superficiality - pervading even seemingly serious matters - happening on the net .
The path for each of to walk, to think through, to meditate and sleep on, the food you eat and shoes you wear have to remain your own ,

not anyones elses .

2/ Simon comes from unique 'place' in life , with unique experiences .. that aren't repeatable for most of the other people here .
What maybe a curse for one may be a blessing for another . In either case , his experiences are as original and unique as he experiences himself and can be shared only to certain lesser degree ..
even if you have spent time with him in real life, you'd not experience what he does because you are not him.
One of his 'mysteries' may be that he allows himself to be with himself, to reflect on his experiences .

That's something each person can do ... if they feel a reason and strong inner call to do so ,
that's why some people become 'hermits' even if being 'hermit' is not a goal of life, it's a means how to isolate yourself from superficial influences from others and reflect on problems, paradigms and deeper questions that you feel compelled to find answer for .

Ultimately .. all true spiritual teachers and guides .. will confirm to you that you alone can find true answers to your questions.
They can satisfy your quests temporarily and you'll be never , ever satisfied with someones else's answers .

Buddha said the same , he advised his disciples to go and test every 'claim' and truth personally rather than putting blind faith to it .
Jesus told you to ''seek the Kingdom of Heaven in your Heart'' or you shall never find it .

Every other realistic Master will tell you the same thing . 'Knowing' with capital K comes from personal experience , direct realisation , encounter with reality , it does not come from getting many questions answered by someone else .


By no means I mean to derail the beautiful and sentient discussion that is happening here .

But I don't really think it was Simons intent to become your 'guru' and intents are important .

3/As above , some of Simons experiences pertain solely and only to him and that's what he came to share , and what makes him vulnerable .

The names and feelings he gives to his ET friends, are his names and feelings .

You can't do any service to him, yourself or anyone else by adopting them .

As human beings, and when we descend to this plane of human experience, no matter our origins, we are all subjective in ways how we relate to each other , in our likes and dislikes . The same subjectivity we tend to experience to every other species ,
from tiny insects, dogs and cats to 'higher intelligencies' including ETs.

When people speak about Angels, Deities , Gods or dogs, each one is entitled to their own .. and their relationships to them are sacred .


Just adding another posting to the pile of your postings ... no matter how well meant, it 's going to matter very little to most of you .

On approaching something that is truly sensitive topic, I can but advice : stay sensitive . When trying to speak to some super-human intelligence ..even by means of some kind of medium... I advice, stay alert and intelligent .

Do not go further with your questions than is decent to expect answers to , guarantees that you won't be disappointed at the end .

Be serious about your life and search for truth .. something that won't be resolved in the internet Matrix . The Truth is Out There ... truly.

[Kalamos]

I apologize for loosing my cool and getting preachy in my recent posts. I'm striving to be a better communicator, and this place is helping me to that end, I hope.

I understand I might be missing a bigger picture that some of you have, so I'll be patient and strive for better self control from here on out.

But I do not regret bringing up the concern I brought up in another thread, no matter the fact that I could have gone about differently. I tried my best, and I will learn from all of this (as I already have).

I'm open to being wrong about Simon and others who I might have (directly or indirectly) also cast suspicions toward.

I did it on my own accord out of a genuine concern and if you can't see that, then that's your problem.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by Calamus (here)

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
I suggest turning off the tv, closing the laptop, turning off the cell phone, going into nature if it helps you, sitting quietly without anyone telling you what is right or wrong, and just breathing, listening, looking at stars if you like or water flowing, grass waving in the breeze, or whatever you like...and then listening. Hear the voice within you, the breeze, the water, feel the sun on your face or moonlight, and if fear comes up gently let it pass by and move on. That takes out the egos of those who preach, takes out the middleman, and allows us to hear ourselves, hear the universe, and sort through the energy around us without the filters of people, agendas, media, programming, and expectations.

If you don't like to be still take a walk, if you like to lie back just get into yoga corpse pose, or whatever feels right to you. In the end (or the beginning of the next beginning) there won't be people telling us where to go and what to do, so finding out what is ours and what is put on us by others can be very healing. These things take us to whatever our personal source is...they reconnect us to who we are and the planet upon which we live, the universe, and remind us who we want to be in this life. It is nice to know what that voice sounds like to avoid making bad choices or ending up going along with the crowd without realizing it. When we die, if we know ourselves and who we are, that step over is much simpler.

I say close the laptop because I have had many people come with anxiety and depression, and almost always they watch a lot of tv news and read sites over and over. It changes how you feel and think and makes us doubt that we even have a voice or can make a difference if we aren't careful. FB is one place I see that takes over and makes it hard to hear anything but the negatives.

To each his or her own...just going by what I see really often.

Nice message. I can't help but feel it was directed to me, but I could be wrong. If it were, which I don't know if it was, but if it were, I would just try and reassure you that I am just fine.

We are too nice here, people. This is a discussion forum, and I'm here discussing ideas that I think are very important to some.

Again, I have my beliefs, and I am just fine. If you don't believe me, then PM me about it.

I'm here in this thread trying to understand a different viewpoint then mine, because I want to be here, not because I have any trouble in my soul or mind that is causing an emotional problem. If you feel differently, that's fine. Thanks for understanding.

No, it wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular, actually. If it were I would have replied with a quote of the person I was replying to. Unless I say a name or reply with a quote a comment is a general one. What do you mean that "we are too nice"? Why would anyone not be polite in a discussion thread? I'm a bit confused by that and why you would assume it would only be toward you when I didn't say that. If someone didn't ask me for help I wouldn't assume the person needed my intervention for anything unless it were an obvious emergency. I simply made a post based on what I see really often in real life...doesn't mean anything related to you in particular. You have your own path and I hope that it is everything you want it to be

[Roisin]

Posted by Calamus (here)
I apologize for loosing my cool and getting preachy in my recent posts. I'm striving to be a better communicator, and this place is helping me to that end, I hope.

I understand I might be missing a bigger picture that some of you have, so I'll be patient and strive for better self control from here on out.

But I do not regret bringing up the concern I brought up in another thread, no matter the fact that I could have gone about differently. I tried my best, and I will learn from all of this (as I already have).

I'm open to being wrong about Simon and others who I might have (directly or indirectly) also cast suspicions toward.

I did it on my own accord out of a genuine concern and if you can't see that, then that's your problem.

Suggestion: If you're in disagreement wrt to the prevailing sentiment in any forum on any particular issue, it's best to simply stay out out any discussions that are related in any way to topics of that nature. Believe me, you will save yourself a lot of grief by doing so. In the short run and the long run, it's just not worth it.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by Calamus (here)
I apologize for loosing my cool and getting preachy in my recent posts. I'm striving to be a better communicator, and this place is helping me to that end, I hope.

I understand I might be missing a bigger picture that some of you have, so I'll be patient and strive for better self control from here on out.

But I do not regret bringing up the concern I brought up in another thread, no matter the fact that I could have gone about differently. I tried my best, and I will learn from all of this (as I already have).

I'm open to being wrong about Simon and others who I might have (directly or indirectly) also cast suspicions toward.

I did it on my own accord out of a genuine concern and if you can't see that, then that's your problem.

I just want to say that my post where you thought I was talking to you was exactly what I said...suggestions. I would suggest those things for anyone...not rescuing anyone or telling anyone what to do, but just suggestions related to things I have seen and experienced to be helpful. I simply care about creatures, people, the planet...the list is long. That is where every single post I ever make comes from, and if one doesn't sound that way then I didn't make my point well. I agree there are many smaller pictures and then bigger ones, some things that are so important and some things not so much. My suggestions are never commands, just for the record. To each her own

[Gardener]

Maybe we are looking at the topic of this 'light trap' and the choices which seem to be present, in a little too much 3D perspective. Someone said 'we don't 'go' anywhere'; how can we 'go' anywhere where time isn't present there is no space in which to go. 'Go to' is 3D thinking, current identity based, we leave that behind probably when we 'give up the ghost' lol

No NDE's can accurately record what it is to fully transition, they are returning to their identity and there must be a way for the brain to encode the experience to explain to the mind what just happened, by its nature it seems to me to have a 3D overlay which is the only way we can make sense of it rationally on return.

Trust your beingness, that you will know unencumbered with a fading identity.

[we-R-one]

Sorry, weird, this double posted on me..see below

[we-R-one]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)

We-R-one,

Your personal experiences, including how you communicate with the "field" may be helpful to others who want to navigate what appears to me as being a multi-dimensional chess game.

We can learn from:

1. How other's interpret their experience.
2. How we interpret our personal experience.
3. Science.

Each of these are a cloudy mixture of truths mixed with distortions concerning the nature of our journey through what may be holographic realities.

I would not want to exclude any theories or interpretations as I put my reality puzzle together. But I'll choose the simpler versions to explore first.

Is there any personal experience you can share?

Thanks, Ron

My personal experiences will make more sense if you understand first how 'The Field' is set up and the language it speaks. Which is why I keep saying please watch the Divine Matrix video I posted, as Gregg does a beautiful job explaining in a simplistic manner. You might watch it a couple times, take notes if needed so you can reflect back on what he says for a reference. He does discuss the science behind its construction which is important. The video is long, but well worth it. You cannot just post a few sentences or even paragraphs to get the true meaning, you have to do the homework, you have to read and explore the topic. I need to do more of this myself.

Though most of my experiences have come naturally, had I not invested the time into reading and researching, the knowledge wouldn't have come full circle. Everybody wants a brief snippet myself included, but much of the message becomes lost and key pieces are missed if I were to take this approach. The point of introducing the science into this particular discussion involving Simon's comments was to eliminate a lot of the 'distortions' you speak of.

'The Field' is energy. Everything around you is energy. Your realities are created by the manipulation of energy, through the emotions of your heart not your brain. 'The Field' reads two emotions fear and love. This is how we are controlled. Fear shuts the brain down, ask any doctor. Look around your world...is it one of fear or one of love? Fear vibrates at a lower frequency. Love vibrates at a higher frequency.

When someone promotes beliefs of fear, they are having an effect on the energy fields and this is how you are controlled.

"Control the belief systems, control the energy fields." -we-R-one

During the times I'm reading 'The Field', I'm using my heart not my brain. When I had the kundalini, as described in "The Solutions" thread it was done within the heart. Somehow I just shut my brain off and the marriage of the thought and emotion of forgiveness came through my heart creating the kundalini. This was a form of manipulating energy. When I've been able to communicate with animals I've noticed I'm using my heart to hear them. It's difficult to explain until you've experienced it. I guess another way of saying it would be that your heart is like an intuitive guide you tap into..it's almost like you 'feel' the energy fields and the message comes within it, translating into words and pictures. You might find you've already experienced this at some point, but just didn't have the knowledge base to understand what you were doing or identify what was happening in those moments.

Sometimes communication with "The Field' happens spontaneously. So when I had the past life memories from a specific life time, the trigger was walking through a home that was a similar caliber as to where I had lived before. The memories started to rush in as a 'feeling'. One specific word came to me in that moment and it was Renaissance, the 'feeling' in my heart was I had something to do with the Renaissance period from the 1500's. Five years later when I had a past life reading done, the person doing the reading came up with the same word. I never told them about my experience 5 years prior so out of all the words in the English language he could have picked, he picked the same as me. He identified the Renaissance I was remembering during the 1500's, and said this incarnation will be my fourth. I originally thought I was actually remembering from my brain, but that experience taught me, I wasn't remembering from my brain, I was tapping into "The Field" for the information just like he was. So when they say the answer lies within "The Field", it's because all possibilities exist and can be tapped into when you talk and listen to 'The Field' in the right language. And no I'm not a pro at it by any means, I have much to practice, but I have a bit of a head start as the past experiences have helped my understanding, now that I have the vocabulary and knowledge base.

As I mentioned before, the hologram contains all possibilities. This is why what Simon is saying can be a possibility if that's what you want to believe. The hologram isn't a warm fuzzy feeling description to make excuses for someone(Calamus that's for you, saw your post in another thread ), it's how the Universe is set up. The hologram reflects back what we put into it so that's why much effort is put into instilling fear. You slow down an individuals growth in spirituality, higher consciousness etc. all those game changers that would allow for a new reality of higher vibration to exist....in essence meaning, those in power loose control.

Definition:
Hologram- every fragment of the pattern reflects, mirrors, contains the entire pattern. Every fragment, no matter how small, is a reflection of the entire pattern. Within us the entire universe lives within us.. The entire universe lives within every cell within your body. Every fragment is a mirror of the whole.

Another way of stating it: In a holographic universe you have a pattern within the universe that is whole and complete unto itself, which is part of a greater pattern that is whole and complete unto itself, etc. If a change takes place within one of these patterns within the universe, there is a ripple effect and that change is mirrored throughout the rest of the so called holographic universe.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...lly-is-a-holo/

"The Field" is a tool being used against us in the form of fear. This is why we as individuals need to be more responsible about our actions and what we promote. There's a reason why the character "V" from "V for Vendetta" says to look in the mirror. What they don't tell you in the movie is the energetic implications of your actions they just say 'look in the mirror'. Some of the nicest people promote fear because they're still programmed or they're still in victimhood and they don't understand the ramification of their actions nor do they have the knowledge base to reference why their energetic responses are literally enslaving them.

"The Field" is also known as:
The Quantum Hologram
The Field
Natures Mind
The Mind of God
The Matrix
The Divine Matrix


...you can't cover this stuff in a few short words.

[greybeard]

It would seem that one of the concerns is reincarnation endlessly.
Being in bondage.
Every enlightened sage I have listened to is very clear on several relevant points.
You are not bound--you are free, you are enlightened but you do have to remove the obstacles to un--cover this.
When the true Self is realised there are no further incarnations.
They are very clear--no ifs --no maybe --no perhaps.

If non-duality is fully understood--there is no individual person- - no subject or object, the me and the other is a mental construct.
A mind projection, a thought but very real to the unenlightened.
There is pure awareness.

The mind can not get this--just not possible.
The sage has direct knowing--wordless--awareness.
"They" try to explain this as best they can.
They see every one as enlightened--they see no difference between teacher and taught.
The True Guru is remover of ignorance. (Ignorance is just lack of knowledge/knowing)

One way of looking a it is. There are many appliances with different functions but one electricity powering them all.
You are that electricity that power.
Appliances eventually loose their ability to perform but the electricity is unaffected.

Basically If I want to escape the illusory wheel of karma--birth, death, birth, then I listen to those who have realised their True Self.

Books like "I am That" by Nasargadatta or any book by Ramana Maharshi--the Western equivalents are Eckhart Tolle and Adyashanti cds, videos, books and quite a few others.

To be very clear there is only One soul and you are That.

That is One without a second.

That One looks through the eyes of trillions of seeming different beings.

Namaste means "I greet the God in you"

Chris

[donk]

Posted by Calz (here)

Posted by Calamus (here)

I'll take a break from posting my viewpoints (but I'll be back).

You have already had one thread shut down ...

Why are you here???

Wow...so on a "truth" site, respectfully stating concerns about a whostleblower is somehow trolling a poster, while you can snarkily accuse a prominent poster of working for the dark side...

And of all people calz, I know you should know better than most that not everyone is exactly what they seem.

Calamus posted concerns that more people than just him actually have, that would be good for ANY truth site to pay attention, but apparently Avalon transcends all that just like Simon has apparently transcended the ability to decieve.

This is getting scary folks. Again, it's not about Simon, unfortunately he has nothing to do with it so can hardly do much about it...it's about the treatment he is getting.

This thread is about a belief that challenges a lot of peoples', it's really a discussion about the fear (denial) of death, which doesn't concern me really...but does a lot to a lot of people. To be able to a suggest the "dark side" is manipulating the white light but not being allowed to suggest the possibility that Simon is manipulating us (or being manipulated)** is hippocracy.

**i don't necessarily believe either of these, but believe that viewpoint should be allowed to be presented without baseless attacks, that it's important to discuss--maturely, hopefully

[Calz]

Posted by donk (here)

Wow...so on a "truth" site, respectfully stating concerns about a whostleblower is somehow trolling a poster, while you can snarkily accuse a prominent poster of working for the dark side...

Posted by Calamus

What could we do as a group if it became evident that he was lying to us here?
Instead of asking yourself, "what could we do if we find out," how about you just go and find out?

Post by Moderation

Calamus, if you have questions about the things that Simon is sharing, go to his threads, find out if the question has already been asked, and, if not, ask it yourself.

This thread is now closed.

From the guidelines:

1. TARGETING INDIVIDUALS

1. Posts should not be directed to any specific individuals such as Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy or any specific witness unless a discussion has already opened. We advise you to direct your comments, questions and concerns to the group, so anyone may answer you. This promotes community discussion rather than individual confrontation.

2. This also includes the family of Avalon members. If you have an issue with a member, please look for the REPORT button found below a members avatar next to their post.

3. Avatars that are offensive or in violation of the guidelines will be removed by the moderators.

4. Personal attacks on threads, where singling out a member(s) for purposes of negative or derogatory remarks is not permitted and will get your post/thread deleted and an infraction given to you which may deny you access to the forum.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...386#post805386

_________________


Hey donk,

Did you see his thread that was shut down?

Don't you think that may have gone just a *weeee* bit beyond expressing his truth?

Interesting timing in that the thread was started after Simon suggested he would be gone for awhile (thus not able to respond for himself).

When most members have a thread shut down for violating policy the natural reaction might be to reflect and consider what just happened rather than to immediately move on to another Simon thread and carry on.

Yes???

Anyway ... I am not the one to speak for moderation.

... and where exactly was it I suggested "the dark side"?

I have the right to state my own truth and if I can do so with very few words and an image (as opposed to a thread that goes on and on) then so be it.

[donk]

Of course you can bro, no one would ever pull a post around here, you can say whatever you want about anything, right?

And as to your suggestion about reflecting upon thread closures: when authority shuts down discussion on something, my (apparently un-natural) reaction is to wonder what exactly their intent was in stopping a conversation on that subject, and making sure they are actually adhereing to their own policy

My apologies for the "dark side" comment, obviously you were vague enough to imply that he's being the "good guy" and you were no way suggesting he had I'll intent--sorry, I totally misunderstood and misrepresented your neutral comment there--you're totally hilarious graphic had me thinking Star Wars so it came out that way

And the purpose of your posts? I would think it would be to shut down conversation--who are you working for

I think that thread was getting emotionally charged, and understood it being locked. But I think putting it on calamus "targeting" is bad for a truth site--now maybe you can call it that for some of the more hostile later posts by other members, but my opinion is that calamus was bringing up valid concerns, more than just he had

you think I'm "working" for somebody? I wouldn't blame or attack you for having that thought or even for saying it...so why can't someone do it to a whistleblower on a truth site?).

[Hervé]

Rabble rousing... isn't that some kind of rambling noise?

Ooohhh... Sh*t! I lied again:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

AFAIC I quit adding to the noise that keeps burying the signal.

[Calz]

Posted by donk (here)

Of course you can bro ...

I'm sorry donk (and if Calamus is a fine outstanding member then perhaps I owe him an apology as well). Had to drop kiddies at school so it took me a bit to respond.

I post in very few threads these days and follow very few topics (Simon obviously being one).

If Calamus has made great contributions to the forum then I must have missed it due to focusing on such a narrow group of topics/threads.

I will make this as clear as possible.

From the OP in the Calamus thread that was shut down:

Posted by Calamus

(snip)

Posted by Simon

I wanted to apologise to you all
as one of the Mods knows there is a situation in Ukraine that is alien related - I am a little tied up with this ( as others are) at the present, but as soon as its decided that no war is to be fought I will be back on Avalon - thank you for your patience.

Simon

Now he's out on a secret mission, and will not return until him and others help prevent a war?

I'm going to come out and say it, because if I'm right, it just hurts to sit by and watch it, but I think he's lying about a lot of things.

I actually think he is lying about everything except maybe his alien abductions, which his might been of a subjective nature if he even had any.

(snip)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...t-Simon-Parkes

You make good points donk about freedom of self expression "truth as we know it" (as you always do).

I had (or have) no intent on shutting down anything such as that.

I didn't post in the closed thread but followed along with interest.

It wasn't until after the thread was shut and the "conversation" seemed (to me) to continue on unabated in another Simon thread.

That was the point I felt the need to post (and perhaps I had a bit of attitude by then).

As mentioned I certainly do not speak for moderation.

I certainly do not speak for Simon.

... yet ...

As Calamus clearly pointed out in his OP Simon wasn't around ... right?


Now ... when a man calls another man a liar to his face that is one thing.

When a man calls another man a liar behind his back is quite another.


That doesn't fly with me ... and after having an attitude built up that's why I posted what I did.


My own *opinion* is Simon is totally sincere in all he suggests. To what degree it is all *true* is a matter of interpretation.


A remarkable story and anything and everyone has every right to question it.


Not going to post again about it ... it's between moderation and Calamus.


Shoot me a PM if you feel you must donk.

[we-R-one]

Posted by donk (here)

Posted by Calz (here)

Posted by Calamus (here)

I'll take a break from posting my viewpoints (but I'll be back).

You have already had one thread shut down ...

Why are you here???

Wow...so on a "truth" site, respectfully stating concerns about a whostleblower is somehow trolling a poster, while you can snarkily accuse a prominent poster of working for the dark side...

And of all people calz, I know you should know better than most that not everyone is exactly what they seem.

Calamus posted concerns that more people than just him actually have, that would be good for ANY truth site to pay attention, but apparently Avalon transcends all that just like Simon has apparently transcended the ability to decieve.

This is getting scary folks. Again, it's not about Simon, unfortunately he has nothing to do with it so can hardly do much about it...it's about the treatment he is getting.

This thread is about a belief that challenges a lot of peoples', it's really a discussion about the fear (denial) of death, which doesn't concern me really...but does a lot to a lot of people. To be able to a suggest the "dark side" is manipulating the white light but not being allowed to suggest the possibility that Simon is manipulating us (or being manipulated)** is hippocracy.

**i don't necessarily believe either of these, but believe that viewpoint should be allowed to be presented without baseless attacks, that it's important to discuss--maturely, hopefully

I have to admit I was going to ask the same thing Donk. So a person can be protected from tough questioning all under the guise of being a forum member? Wait what????

If anyone has followed my past posts, I've been subjected to the same treatment, which is why I don't post anymore, what's the point? If people are going to thrust themselves into the spotlight to the extent that Simon and others have, they have to be expected to be scrutinized. Simon is in legal terms a 'public figure' as are many others who come on to Avalon or discuss their knowledge throughout the alternative circuit. It's healthy behavior that someone would want to question, that's what an intelligent person does! Kinda funny how what's happening here is a reflection of what's going on in the bigger world. Perfect example of living in a hologram for those that might be new to that concept. I would ask if Avalon is about truth and exploring 'where no man dare to go', that they allow for robust discussion of individuals who want us to believe their stories or whatever it is they're promoting. Vetting is a natural process, even more so in today's climate, you can't afford not to. I think it can be done with respect. Maybe Calamus went a bit overboard with so many questions all at once, but that could have been easily addressed.

People are really sick and tired of getting lied to....the caliber of the poster Avalon attracts is going to ask hard questions, Why? Cause they're tired of playing the 'Simon Says' game. This is higher consciousness in the making...

[Flash]

Anyhow, the discussions on this present thread have changed from all involved, many members, to being led by and around at the most 3 members, if not in fact. just around 2 members. Wonder why?

It WAS a nice thread.

[we-R-one]

Posted by greybeard (here)
It would seem that one of the concerns is reincarnation endlessly.
Being in bondage.
Every enlightened sage I have listened to is very clear on several relevant points.
You are not bound--you are free, you are enlightened but you do have to remove the obstacles to un--cover this.
When the true Self is realised there are no further incarnations.
They are very clear--no ifs --no maybe --no perhaps.

If non-duality is fully understood--there is no individual person- - no subject or object, the me and the other is a mental construct.
A mind projection, a thought but very real to the unenlightened.
There is pure awareness.

The mind can not get this--just not possible.
The sage has direct knowing--wordless--awareness.
"They" try to explain this as best they can.
They see every one as enlightened--they see no difference between teacher and taught.
The True Guru is remover of ignorance. (Ignorance is just lack of knowledge/knowing)

One way of looking a it is. There are many appliances with different functions but one electricity powering them all.
You are that electricity that power.
Appliances eventually loose their ability to perform but the electricity is unaffected.

Basically If I want to escape the illusory wheel of karma--birth, death, birth, then I listen to those who have realised their True Self.

Books like "I am That" by Nasargadatta or any book by Ramana Maharshi--the Western equivalents are Eckhart Tolle and Adyashanti cds, videos, books and quite a few others.

To be very clear there is only One soul and you are That.

That is One without a second.

That One looks through the eyes of trillions of seeming different beings.

Namaste means "I greet the God in you"

Chris

Chris I'm so glad you brought up reincarnation. I wanted to add this in my post but it was already long enough. There is a science to it if you do it right. I went to a reincarnation research institute for help in my own case, not some psychic at the beach, so I feel I can speak with credence as the basis of my experience was aided by men with a combined sum of approximately 120+ years in the field. So the premise of the process was discovered by the works of Edgar Cayce, Ian Stevenson, Walter Semkiw and Kevin Ryerson, all big names in the industry, so these guys aren't screwing around.

I was a well documented person so this made it easy. You look for objectives. Objectives are names, dates, situations, quotes anything that might match to the person who you were. You begin to see a pattern. It becomes more believable when it happens to you, because you can't believe how many things start to match. What's even more convincing is when you start figuring out the people around you are matching in the same manner. Then you ask what are the odds if there isn't something to this???

The point being is you see intelligent design and the question I would ask, is why would so much effort be put into lining everything up to be 'just so' if the Archon's don't care about us? Why was I born into the same bloodline from that time period as this time period? Why are names matching, why are similar situations happening to me in this lifetime that happened in that lifetime? You see it just doesn't add up to me that they want to claim they have the control they do. So are we now to believe that they can control consciousness? Wait....wasn't it David Icke that said, "they can control your mind, they can control your body, but they can't control consciousness!" So who are we to believe? These are the questions I'm asking and so should everyone else.

EDIT TO ADD: And it's not just me, they have matched several people in the same manner, so the odds of the possibility of it being accurate go even higher reinforcing that there's intelligent design.

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Posted by Flash (here)
Anyhow, the discussions on this present thread have changed from all involved, many members, to being led by and around at the most 3 members, if not in fact. just around 2 members. Wonder why?

It WAS a nice thread.

Seriously Flash? A forum is for discussion, anyone can participate. Personally I thought Calz post was obnoxious myself and unnecessary. Is there some hidden trap that's only allowing two members to post that we don't know about?

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Has my thread been closed