Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Cidersomerset]

So that there was no dude on board who wasn't supposed to be. The truth is that there was one dude who was supposed to be on board but was not.

I posted an interview with Philip Wood brother earlier on the thread and
he was speaking as if he knew Philip was scheduled to go to china....

Still plenty of speculation.....

This is a different interview...It says Sarah, Philips girlfriend was waiting
in Beijing for him, so it looks like he was definitely supposed to be on
the flight. So ion may have meant someone else ??

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LcZcTppDcgA

[Elainie]

It is now being reported that satellites received signals from the missing Malaysian Airlines flight up to FIVE HOURS after it disappeared.

If true, this indicates that for those five hours, the flight could still have been flying through the air.

As reported by Sky News, a statement issued by satellite operator Inmarsat said: "Routine, automated signals were registered on the Inmarsat network from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur.

"This information was provided to our partner SITA, which in turn has shared it with Malaysia Airlines."

[Atlas]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
So ion may have meant someone else ??

See my post #379.

Posted by buares (here)
Greg Candelaria, who works in global technology services for IBM. He was scheduled to be on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 but changed his plans:


"Some would call this luck," he said. "I would absolutely consider it 100 percent the grace of God. Now, several days into this, it's still kind of a goose-bump freaky kind of thing." (source)

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So that there was no dude on board who wasn't supposed to be. The truth is that there was one dude who was supposed to be on board but was not.

ion's source may be an adept of reverse-speech.

[Rocky_Shorz]

interesting tidbit...

On July 25, 1995, Assistant Secretary for Export Enforcement John Despres
>signed an order assessing a civil penalty of $2,610,000 against the
>Halliburton Company of Texas. The civil penalty was the largest fine imposed
>by the Department for export violations, and was part of a global settlement
>related to unauthorized exports and reexports of oil field equipment made to
>Libya by two Halliburton subsidiaries, Halliburton Logging Services (HLS)
>and Halliburton Geophysical Services (HGS). HLS exported six pulse neutron
>generators to Libya between December 1987 and August 1989, and made three
>unauthorized exports of pulse neutron generators to Kuwait or Yemen between
>August 1988 and January 1989...


Even scarier, if you follow the letter of the law, if they find an HC12 in there, Freescale and Motorola would
both be liable as well... link

now it might just be a coincidence, considering the seismic shock hitting the location of the plane at the time of the equipment shut down...

but to me a pulse neutron generator, sounds like a device that could be used in "electronic warfare"

could it be a test of Satellite capability of shutting down an aircraft while in flight and taking control to fly it to the destination?

[Cidersomerset]

A bit of a different look.....



Malaysia Airlines Expands Investigation To Include General Scope Of Space, Time

‘Why Are We Even Here?’ Officials Probe

News • News • ISSUE 50•10 • Mar 13, 2014




Assuming the actuality of wavefunction collapse, Malaysia Airlines officials say flight
MH370 could currently be located in any possible alternate future.


KUALA LUMPUR, MALAYSIA—Following a host of conflicting reports in the wake of
the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 last Saturday,
representatives from the Kuala Lumpur–based carrier acknowledged they had
widened their investigation into the vanished Boeing 777 aircraft today to
encompass not only the possibilities of mechanical failure, pilot error, terrorist
activity, or a botched hijacking, but also the overarching scope of space, time, and
humankind’s place in the universe.

The airline, now in its fifth day of searching for the passenger jet carrying 239
passengers and crew, has come under fire for its perceived mishandling of the
investigation, whose confusing and contradictory reports have failed to provide
definitive answers on everything from how long the missing plane remained aloft
after losing contact with air traffic controllers, to whether the flight made a radical
alteration in its heading, to the very dimensions of space-time and the nature of
reality, and what exactly it is that brought us into existence and imbued us with
this thing we call life.

Additionally, the airline confirmed it had expanded its active search area to include
a several-hundred-square-mile zone in the Indian Ocean as well as each of the
seven or 22 additional spatial dimensions posited by string theory.

“We continue to do everything in our power and explore every possible lead—both
Cartesian and phenomenological—to locate the aircraft as quickly as possible,” said
Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, who went on to say that
authorities were still actively seeking tips from anyone claiming knowledge related
either to the flight, or to the mechanisms by which consciousness arises, or to the
question of why anything physical and finite exists instead of nothing at all. “At this
stage, we can’t rule anything out: not crew interference with the transponders, not
a catastrophic electrical failure, not the emergence of a complex topological feature
of space-time such as an Einstein-Rosen bridge that could have deposited the flight
at any location in the universe or a different time period altogether, nothing.”

“Could a parallel universe have immediately swelled up from random cosmological
fluctuation according to the multiverse theory and swallowed the flight into its
folds, or could ice have built up on an airspeed sensor? Those are both options we
are currently considering,” Rahman added. “Everything’s on the table. That is,
insofar as anything exists at all, which we’re also looking into.”

Rahman assured the press and families of passengers that officials would not rest
until they locate the plane, provided that sensory experience can be verified beyond
the existence of one’s own mind. Malaysian authorities also cautioned that they
were dealing with an unprecedented aviation mystery and that it could take months
to ascertain the airliner’s exact fate as well as, for that matter, the fate of mankind
itself, assuming a linear theory of space-time in which the future is unknowable and
objects travel in a forward trajectory which, authorities hasten to add, is not
necessarily the case.

In addition, airline sources attempted to assuage an uneasy public by noting they
had brought in top crash investigators from the Malaysian, Vietnamese, and
Chinese governments, as well as U.S. Navy personnel, Boeing technicians, leading
quantum physicists, theoretical cosmologists, metaphysicians, epistemologists, and
determinist philosophers to help scour all conceivable and as yet inconceivable
locations in which the plane might be located.

“The bottom line is that we have a sophisticated aircraft fresh off a safety
inspection with no prior incident of malfunction, flying in good weather at a cruising
altitude,” Rahman continued. “Why didn’t the pilot send a distress signal? Why
aren’t we finding a debris path? What are we to make of the contradictory radar
information? Where did the universe begin and can it be said to have a limit or an
edge? What is mankind’s role in it? Is there a God? If so, what is God’s nature?”

“It’s too early to answer these questions right now, but I can assure you that
Malaysia Airlines will get to the bottom of it,” Rahman added. “Our top people are
on it right now.”

http://www.theonion.com/articles/mal...-includ,35524/

[Atlas]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
theonion.com

Fake. This source is not reliable.

[Cidersomerset]

Back to the Beeb...



14 March 2014 Last updated at 18:24

Lost Malaysia plane 'may have flown on for five hours'



There have already been several false leads in the search for the plane
Continue reading the main story
MH370 mysteryTheories swirl
What we know
Search logistics
Passport fraud

The missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 may have been flying for more than five
hours after it disappeared, the BBC has learned.

It is believed the plane was sending automated signals to a satellite system long
after radar contact was lost.

This would mean the jet could have flown more than 1,600km (1,000 miles)
beyond its last confirmed position.

On Friday, US surveillance teams were sent to the Indian Ocean, much further west
than the initial searches.

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None of this explains, of course, what happened to the aircraft, and, if confirmed, why it deviated so far from its planned route”
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The Indian navy has also been asked to search an area in the Bay of Bengal off
India's Chennai coast, Malaysian authorities said on Friday.

Flight MH370 vanished last Saturday with 239 people on board.

The plane - which was supposed to be flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur - last
made contact with air traffic control over the South China Sea to the east of Malaysia.

However, the BBC understands that a satellite system operated by London-based
telecommunications company Inmarsat received an automated signal from flight
MH370 at least five hours after the plane was reported lost.

BBC science correspondent Jonathan Amos says the signal could only have been
sent if the plane was intact and powered, and may explain why search teams have
moved to the Indian Ocean.

Earlier, US media outlets also quoted unnamed officials as saying that the Boeing
777 was "pinging" satellites for hours after its last contact with air traffic controllers.

White House spokesman Jay Carney has confirmed that US teams were shifting
their focus to the Indian Ocean because of "new information", but gave no further details.

Malaysia has not yet commented on the latest claims.

The US - one of a number of countries helping to search for the plane - has sent a
navy destroyer and a sophisticated surveillance aircraft to the Indian Ocean.

The Indian navy, air force and coast guard are also now involved after a request
from the Malaysian government.

Indian naval spokesman DK Sharma said on Friday that six ships and five aircraft
were scouring the Andaman Sea.

Malaysian authorities later said that India's Eastern Naval Command was to search
an area of sea 9,000 sq km (3,500 sq miles) off the Chennai coast

Continue reading the main story
The passengers
153 Chinese including a delegation of artists
38 Malaysians including an official who was due to start a job at a branch office in Beijing
2 Iranians using false passports in a bid to seek asylum in Europe
3 Americans including an IBM executive who had recently relocated to Kuala Lumpur
2 Canadians returning to Beijing after a business trip
7 Indonesians, 6 Australians, 5 Indians and 4 French
2 each from New Zealand and Ukraine; one each from Russia, Taiwan and Netherlands
Passengers' stories
Theories swirl around flight MH370
Why do planes crash?

The BBC's Jonathan Head in Kuala Lumpur says the latest claims are being taken
seriously by the US.

However, he cautions that there have already been a number of false leads.

As the search continues, families of those on board are enduring an agonising wait
for news.

Feng Zhiliang, whose cousin Feng Dong, 21, was a passenger, told the BBC in
Beijing that families had spent the past week "in agony and desperation".

"It's been a time of extreme emotions, real ups and downs. We are very
disappointed with the response of the Malaysian authorities. The information they
give out is completely contradictory."

He added: "Until it's clear what happened we still have hope that our families will
return home safely."

Malaysia's acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein said that the search
area was expanding both east and west of the Malaysian peninsula.

He said he was aware of the claims about satellite data, but he would not comment
unless the information had been "corroborated by the relevant authorities".

China said on Friday it was sending a patrol ship to the Malacca Strait, west of
Malaysia, after a fruitless search in the Gulf in Thailand.

The official Xinhua news agency said experts and officials had met on Friday
and "analysed new information", but did not give details.

Some 153 of the passengers on board the plane were Chinese, and Beijing has
been pressing Malaysia to intensify its search.

Earlier this week, Chinese officials released satellite pictures of debris in the South China Sea.

Mr Hussein later said the images were not connected to flight MH370's disappearance.

But Chinese state TV said a warship was continuing to search for the debris.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26583342

[Cidersomerset]

Fake. This source is not reliable.

Yeah I thought this magazine was a bit satirical but
it did have a good graphic.




Though I thought I better come back to this earth with an update from the BBC.....

[Cidersomerset]

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
So ion may have meant someone else ??
See my post #379.




Quote Posted by buares (here)
Greg Candelaria, who works in global technology services for IBM. He was scheduled to be on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 but changed his plans:




"Some would call this luck," he said. "I would absolutely consider it 100 percent the grace of God. Now, several days into this, it's still kind of a goose-bump freaky kind of thing." (source)

------------

So that there was no dude on board who wasn't supposed to be. The truth is that there was one dude who was supposed to be on board but was not.
ion's source may be an adept of reverse-speech.

I was thinking about him from your post mate, it does seem very coincidental

[SunSea]

Hi! This video is about the weaponry that could have been used here. I don't believe this has been posted yet. Sounds quite plausible. According to this the wreckage was found early on with the oils slicks, cabin door and part of tail.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4

[Atlas]

Posted by ERK (here)
It is now being reported that satellites received signals from the missing Malaysian Airlines flight up to FIVE HOURS after it disappeared.

If true, this indicates that for those five hours, the flight could still have been flying through the air.

As reported by Sky News, a statement issued by satellite operator Inmarsat said: "Routine, automated signals were registered on the Inmarsat network from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur.

"This information was provided to our partner SITA, which in turn has shared it with Malaysia Airlines."

Posted by Inmarsat 14 March 2014
Inmarsat has issued the following statement regarding Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. Routine, automated signals were registered on the Inmarsat network from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 during its flight from Kuala Lumpur. This information was provided to our partner SITA, which in turn has shared it with Malaysia Airlines. For further information, please contact Malaysia Airlines.

http://www.inmarsat.com/news/inmarsa...-flight-mh370/

The statement does not mention for how long the signals were received or when they stopped.

[carryattune]

I am not making light of the current situation. Hijacking. Who knows. So many possilities. Does anyone remember this movie. I really enjoyed it way back when. The first few minutes are interesting.

.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yO-T1QNxPW0

I wonder if anyone watched this clip. An airplane with a full passenger load comes into contact with an incredidably large UFO. It really was a good movie.

[Cidersomerset]

14 March 2014 Last updated at 16:02

Malaysia missing plane: Automated signals offer more clues


A Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER taking off from Narita Airport near Tokyo, Japan, last year


The story of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is a mystery for sure, but information is
now starting to emerge that allows us to join some of the dots.

We know the aeroplane was fitted with a satellite system that enabled it to pass
information to the ground during its journey.

This system, called "Classic Aero" and operated by London's big satellite
telecommunications company Inmarsat, can transmit a range of data, even voice calls.

In its official statement, all Inmarsat will say is that it did indeed receive signals
over its network from the plane, and that these were automated "pings".

All this has been shared with the Malaysian authorities.

What my sources tell me is that flight MH370 continued to ping for at least five
hours after the aircraft left Malaysian airspace.

There is simply no way such a signal can be sent unless a plane is intact and powered.

Searching for the missing Malaysia Airways plane west of Malaysia, 14 March 2014


The search, including here in the Malacca Strait, has been widened
Automated pings are essentially just an "I'm live" message.

Nonetheless, their receipt alone should make it possible to work out not just an
approximate position for the aircraft at the time of transmission, but also an altitude.

All this may explain why the Americans have now suggested the search should be
extended to the Indian Ocean.

None of this explains, of course, what happened to the aircraft, and, if confirmed,
why it deviated so far from its planned route.

Priority

In this day and age, it seems remarkable that we do not know precisely where
every plane in the sky is at any given moment. After the tragic loss of Air France
flight 447 in 2009, equipping planes with everywhere-tracking equipment was
supposed to be a priority.

The technology exists in a range of forms. Systems like that operated by Inmarsat
could be used; and the European and German space agencies are even testing a
sensor in orbit that can track signals from ADS-B (Automatic Dependent
Surveillance-Broadcast) transmissions.

ADS-B is a situational awareness system that alerts planes to the proximity of other
planes, but with the right equipment placed on a constellation of spacecraft in orbit,
it would be possible to track these signals in even the remotest locations, such as
over the poles.

Space companies are already doing something similar with ships on the open ocean.

All aircraft entering European airspace will have to be equipped with ADS-B by 2015.

One of the issues is always cost, which will have to be borne most likely by the
airlines. But the distress of the families with missing loved ones on flight MH370
tells us these technologies have to be put in place, and soon.



Plane positions Space ADS-B: The signals give flight information such as speed,
position and altitude Jonathan Amos, Science correspondent Article written by

Science correspondent
More from JonathanFollow Jonathan on Twitter@BBCAmos via Twitter
#Plato just one of three big science projects to be promised UK cash today. See @BBCPallab report http://t.co/5mW17sN7T2 #SKA

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26583787

[Atlas]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Nonetheless, their receipt alone should make it possible to work out not just an
approximate position for the aircraft at the time of transmission, but also an altitude.

“Such signals are very reliable,” but would not indicate location, an Inmarsat executive told NPR’s Frank Langfitt:

David Coiley, vice president of aviation at Inmarsat, declined in an interview to discuss the specifics of the Malaysia Airlines case. But he said that in general, such signals are very reliable. ‘I‘d say way over 99 percent. It’s highly unusual to get a false positive that the system was still operating when in fact it wasn’t,’ he said.” [...]

Coiley, the Inmarsat executive, told Frank that the pings received by its satellites would not include data on altitude or a plane’s position.

Coiley said an analogy was signalling that mobile phones use that is noticeable as interference (eg near radios) even when not in use, as they establish contact with networks.

Such signals would not transmit location but can indicate a position and distance relative to the satellite which could give a guide to a rough direction of travel over several hours.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...ent-directions

[Elainie]

Guardian transport correspondent Gwyn Topham (@GwynTopham) has confirmed with the satellite company Inmarsat that its network registered “routine automated signals” from MH370.

“The signals, described as a series of ‘pings’ to the satellite, indicated that its communication system was still working, but not transmitting data,” Gwyn writes, and “such pings are only received when the normal data transmission is not operating, once per hour. The information would support theories that the plane’s system was deliberately switched off”:

David Coiley, vice president, aviation, at Inmarsat, said: “When the system is not transmitting or receiving data on the aircraft, it will send network signalling info to establish that the aircraft satellite communication is switched on, to say that the system could communicate. If we haven’t seen any activity from an aircraft or ship it’s a check. It’s a simple acknowledgement.

“The ping doesn’t say anything other than that the satellite communications is functioning.”

Coiley said an analogy was signalling that mobile phones use that is noticeable as interference (eg near radios) even when not in use, as they establish contact with networks.

Such signals would not transmit location but can indicate a position and distance relative to the satellite which could give a guide to a rough direction of travel over several hours.

The Inmarsat system is installed in over 90% of long haul passenger planes worldwide.

Coiley told Gwyn that any total absence of communication during normal aviation would be “a highly unusual situation. The systems are designed to allow people to communicate when they want to communicate, constantly.”

[Atlas]

Port Blair, March 13:

Updates: 1530 Hrs

• Operation Searchlight by Andaman and Nicobar Command Continues. Two Naval ships deployed east of Great Nicobar
• Island towards Straits of Malacca nil returns. All aircraft sorties nil returns. Ship and air search continue.

Updates: 1130 Hrs

• Two Naval ships in designated area East of Great Nicobar Island.
• Two Dornier aircraft undertaking search North to South of ANI over land and adjoining coast.
• Two Coast Guard ships on routine surveillance diverted to search along East coast of ANI.
• Navy Dornier undertook search from 1600hr to 2000hr on 13th Mar covering area 110 by 70nm approx 180nm SE of Carnic, with nothing to report.
• Mi-8 helicopter from Carnic searched seas around Nancowry Group of islands, with nothing to report.
• Search areas to be designated to ANC for search by P8I and C-130 awaited.

http://www.andamanchronicle.net/inde...ews&Itemid=142

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Port Blair, March 14:

India’s only unified tri-command, the Andaman and Nicobar Command has joined the global effort to search the missing Malaysian aircraft MH370, that went missing about a week ago. The search operation named ‘Operation Searchlight’ is being headed by the Commander-in-Chief Andaman and Nicobar Command, Air Marshal P.K. Roy who has been nominated as overall force commander.

The ANC today reported that two Naval ships have been deployed east of Great Nicobar Island towards Straits of Malacca that emerged with no positive returns. Apart from the two warships, all aircraft sorties too could not yield any results. Ship and air search continue.

As on today, two Naval ships has been designated in East of Great Nicobar Island. Two Dornier aircraft is undertaking search from North to South of Andaman and Nicobar Islands over land and adjoining coast. Apart from them, two Coast Guard ships which were on routine surveillance were diverted to search along East coast of Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

The communication also adds that a Navy Dornier had undertook search from 1600hr to 2000hr on 13th Mar covering area 110 nautical miles by 70 nautical miles (approx 180nm) SE of Car Nicobar Island. An Mi-8 helicopter from Car Nicobar searched the seas around Nancowry Group of islands, but both the sorties could not yield any results. The search is still on and will continue in the next few days, added the communication.

http://www.andamanchronicle.net/inde...=37&Itemid=142

[Roisin]

I just found this article and I think it's interesting. It may give some support to the possibility that 370 may have exploded:

MISSING MH370: Terengganu police receive report on explosion in Marang



"KUALA TERENGGANU: The Terengganu police today confirmed having received a report on a loud explosion heard by local villagers in Marang last Saturday morning, the day the Beijing-bound Malaysia Airlines (MAS) MH370 went missing.

Terengganu police chief Datuk Jamshah Mustapa said the report had been forwarded to the Bukit Aman police yesterday for further action.

He said from the report that was lodged, the eight men only heard the explosion, but did not see any object.

"So far, we only received one report at the Marang district police station yesterday morning," he told reporters after the commissioning of student leaders here today.

Yesterday, the eight men, who are residents at Kampung Pantai Seberang Marang, lodged a report on a mysterious sound they heard north-east of Pulau Kapas, believing it was linked to the disappearance of the MAS aircraft on that day.

They were seated on a bench about 400 metres from the Marang beach at 1.20 am when they heard the noise, which sounded like the fan of a jet engine.

MAS Flight MH370, carrying 227 passengers, including two infants, and 12 crew, went missing en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing about an hour after taking off from the KL International Airport at 12.41am Saturday.

It should have landed in Beijing at 6.30am the same day.

The aircraft was carrying passengers of 14 nationalities, with most of them from China and Malaysia.--BERNAMA"

Read more: MISSING MH370: Terengganu police receive report on explosion in Marang - Latest - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...#ixzz2vyLYnolp

[Atlas]

Info is from 2 days ago:

Posted by buares (here)
A police report have been lodged by villagers in Marang, Terengganu alleging that they heard a loud explosion early Saturday morning when the jetliner lost contact with the control tower. The Terengganu police confirmed today having received a report on a loud explosion heard by villagers in Marang on Saturday morning. Terengganu police chief Jamshah Mustapa said the report had been forwarded to the Bukit Aman police yesterday for further action. He said from the report that was lodged, the eight men only heard the explosion, but did not see any object.

“So far, we only received one report at the Marang district police station yesterday morning,” he told reporters



Yesterday, the eight men, who are residents at Kampung Pantai Seberang Marang, lodged a report on a loud sound they heard north-east of Pulau Kapas, believing it was linked to the disappearance of the MAS aircraft on that day. They were seated on a bench about 400m from the Marang beach well past midnight when they heard the noise, which sounded like the fan of a jet engine.

[Harley]

Just now received this via email:

A classified analysis of electronic and satellite data conducted by the United States and Malaysian governments shows Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 likely crashed into the Indian Ocean on one of two flight paths.

According to the analysis, one flight path suggests the plane crashed into the Bay of Bengal off the coast of India; the other has it traveling southeast and crashing elsewhere in the Indian Ocean.

[Roisin]

Here's a NY Times article that was just published online today a few minuties ago:

Sharp Changes in Altitude and Course After Jet Lost Contact

SEPANG, Malaysia — Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.

The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country’s largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/wo...adar.html?_r=0