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    Interesting information and tid bits in this interview, a must listen. I am half way through it.

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    To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen. Improbable but not impossible, experts say.

    Scott Shankland, an American Airlines pilot who spent several years as a co-pilot on Boeing 777s, said a captain would know how to disable radios and the plane’s other tracking systems. But a hijacker, even one trained to fly a plane, “would probably be hunting and pecking quite a while — ‘Do I pull this switch? Do I pull that?’ You could disable a great deal” of the tracking equipment, “but possibly not all of it.” Some of the plane’s data is transmitted automatically from equipment not located in the cockpit, making it even harder to avoid leaving electronic bread crumbs, he said.

    John Hansman, an aeronautics professor at MIT who is familiar with the Boeing 777, said it would be possible for an intruder to turn off the transponders, but knowing how to shut down other systems in a bid to be stealthy would be more difficult.

    If it was a hijacking, “they would have to be somebody who has detailed knowledge of the plane,” said Alan Diehl, a former NTSB crash investigator. “Could they get down below the radar and make a beeline to an abandoned airstrip somewhere? I suppose the short answer is yes. Even today, satellites don’t cover every square kilometer of the Earth.”

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    Just a thought.... This event has all the hallmarks of a covert military response to scare or retaliate against another nation. Think back to 2010 when a missile / ICBM was launched west of California that scared the sh*t out of the Pentagon. It was probably the Chinese that launched the ICBM to warn off the Americans from trying to meddle with their currency using economic terrorism. Looking at the passenger list of MH370, most were from China. It could be the US making an Aircraft full of Chinese disappear as a show of force. Take control by remote control, disable any transmitters on board, fly between land based RADAR systems to the middle of the Pacific Ocean to a very deep part of the Ocean which has been predetermined, ditch the plane in that location, have military ships in the area to clean up any flotsam and jetsam (crash debris) and make it "Disappear". It is strange that the aircraft lost RADAR contact when it was exactly residing in a shadow between the Malaysian and Vietnamese land based RADAR systems. Although it had only just left Malaysian airspace it was only about 1 min from entering the Vietnamese airspace where it would have been picked up by their land based RADAR system. Sea based RADAR systems, i.e. Military Ships, could pick up MH370 where land based RADAR system cannot. I bet that a lot of the sea based RADAR systems in that area were on US assets / ships. Boeing is not only American but is a very large Military contractor to the US with very tight links to the US Military. The 777 is state of the art with fly by wire technology which could be controlled remotely with the help of Boeing. Electronic warfare including Jamming may also have also confused RADAR systems that were not in on the plan. Just a thought...
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    Quote Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
    Doesn't it remind you a bit of, the, well, um, perhaps, the Sandy Hook fiasco?
    Exactly what came to my mind the other day when I listened to the Mel Fabrigas interview with Wolfgang Halbig who says he was threatened for investigating the Sandy Hook 'incident'. RECOMMENDED listening at http://veritasradio.com

    There is also a surprisingly revealing documentary, shown here in Oz a few nights ago, about the farcical coverup of the TWA Flight 800 downing. The evidence suggests it was most likely shot down by one or more missiles. Well worth watching if you can find it. Watch the governmental 'lying b*rst*rds' try to dismiss the testimony of around 200 eyewitnesses of the event.

    All-in-all, breathtaking arrogance - unless you are a psychopath/sociopath, in which case it's 'normal' behaviour - 'business as usual'.
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    Well it's official. Malaysian investigators conclude flight Hjjacked...

    http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-inve...035744022.html

    at least until other investigators conclude something else.

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    Quote Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
    Well it's official. Malaysian investigators conclude flight Hjjacked...

    http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-inve...035744022.html

    at least until other investigators conclude something else.
    Just as Joseph P. Farrell anticipated, in his conversation with George Ann Hughes, posted above by PurpleLama: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers -- Post #367

    I'm figuring that Farrell is right -- the cover-up is on, with Malaysia, Vietnam and all major powers (US, China, India, Russia, Japan, ...) cooperating in the cover-up.

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    It's certainly been an interesting ride, rather -- flight. My seatbelt is still securely fastened, however. I haven't participated in this thread because you folks got it covered, and then some.

    As a side note, as a pilot myself ( some 30+ years ) I belong to, and monitor several professional pilot forums. Although mostly technical, there is some wild speculation going on those threads as well. You'd think they were members of Project Avalon.

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    and this posted from craigslist on an airline pilot forum...

    http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html
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    Here is Dr. Paul LaViolette's take on the story.

    http://etheric.com/disappearance-mal...fo-connection/

    Quote Also there is the unusual radar activity over Malaysia that is most disturbing of all. The media has been playing this down by simply saying that flight controllers have been unable to properly interpret the radar records. But according to the story by Steven Cook presented in the first link above, while flight MH370 was in flight and just 250 km out from its departure airport, a UFO appeared on the radar map about 350 km to its southeast, transformed into a an apparent plane signal on the map, and then sped off to the northeast at about five times the speed of the other jets; i.e., at mach 3.5, only to come to a complete halt at the edge of the radar map and sit there motionless! At this time flight MH370 is about 330 km from its take-off location, and then after traveling just 20 more km (after the UFO has stalled out motionless), it also begins to momentarily stall out and make unusual jerk-like cuts to the left and right. These jerk-like flight corrections continue and then when the plane has traveled about 140 km from the point where these jerk-like flight cuts began, its altitude suddenly drops to zero, then at zero altitude the plane suddenly “shoots” 20 km forward along its previous northeast flight course at a speed of ~Mach 5, then continues forward for about 5 kilometers at its previous cruising speed (but again at zero altitude) at which point it vanishes into thin air! All these events from the point the jerks begin until the point the plane disappears would have transpired within the space of just 17 minutes!

    No wonder the air flight controllers say that they are confused by what the records show. Now just because a UFO was hovering offscreen about 300 km east from where this inflight “struggle” took place does not mean that it could not have had an effect on the passenger jet. As described in my book Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, now also available from Amazon in ebook format, microwave phase conjugate beam technology can create tractor beam effects that can reach even over distances of hundreds of kilometers. The unacknowledged U.S. advanced propulsion space program has had such technology for years which they developed in Project Skyvault begun just after World War II. The U.S. secret space program also has had hypervelocity space vehicles in operation for decades. So one possibility is that this was an attack on civilian aircraft technology to show the world how much superior this space program technology is. This though seems highly unlikely to me. I can’t imagine that even a secret space program would resort to such disgusting behavior. The other possibility which seems more plausible to me is that the hypervelocity craft off in right field was an alien vehicle. So if that is the case what would be the rationale of all this?

    The idea that comes to mind, and to many this may seem totally off the wall, is that an alien race is planning to make a public appearance in a very highly publicized fashion. What better way to do this than to make a jet mysteriously disappear, which turns into the leading worldwide news story, and then at an appropriate future date make it safely turn up in a prearranged location with all people on board claiming that they were safely treated, and to do this with hundreds of media channels covering the location of its appearance. Maybe even with even a few UFOs hovering near by. Then we might imagine that the people will be interviewed and claim that the ETs are in fact very friendly and that they did this just as a necessary publicity stunt. The ETs will instantly have won the world’s admiration, not only because their stunt took a lot of guts, but because it was done in a very sophisticated way. Then perhaps this alien race will make their grande appearance and claim that they had to breach the Prime Directive in order to point out to us that we only have x number of days until the superwave arrives.
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    Quote Posted by Hip Hipnotist (here)
    It's certainly been an interesting ride, rather -- flight. My seatbelt is still securely fastened, however. I haven't participated in this thread because you folks got it covered, and then some.

    As a side note, as a pilot myself ( some 30+ years ) I belong to, and monitor several professional pilot forums. Although mostly technical, there is some wild speculation going on those threads as well. You'd think they were members of Project Avalon.

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    and this posted from craigslist on an airline pilot forum...

    http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html
    That has to be a joke, right?

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    Yes, Sidney.

    and bad taste IMO.

    I'm wondering how long before craigslist removes it.

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    Hijacking By who? This has to be a government Job. Already I feel the dissinfo ready to fly. No pun intended.

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    PM Najib Razak just gave a press conference and said that there was a high degree of confidence that MH370 was hijacked.

    Satellite data indicates that MH370 flew for at least 7.5 hours last Saturday.

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    Unconfirmed: Incredible development: last communication may have been from Kazakhstan-Turkmenistan border. This, just hours after claims the plane was probably lost off the west coast of Australia.

    Don't know what to believe of course.. What drama.

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    "We can confirm that this was the missing plane.

    "According to the new data the last confirmed communication between the plane and the satellite was at 8.11am Malaysian time on Saturday March 8.



    "We are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.

    "We have determined that the plane's last communication with the satellite was in one of two areas."

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    The hijack theory seems odd to me.

    1. How many people had cellphones on board? Not one managed to send out a message? Everyone just handed phones to hijackers (who probably weren't armed) without anyone sending not even a one-word message? Was some kind of gas released to knock everyone unconscious? It's really a stretch to believe that the plane was hijacked and not one passenger sent out a message on a cellphone.
    2. The plane was hijacked and no one in the cockpit and among the crew could send any kind of message at all? There was an incident here within the last year ... a plane landed and was instantly surrounded by security. Hijack! There was no hijack but the pilot or co-pilot inadvertently, without realising it, pressed some kind of button or switch that sent out an emergency signal that says the plane has been hijacked. It took a while for the crew to convince security that the plane had not been hijacked - can we please get off the plane! I assumed that all airplanes now have this device, but I suppose it is not impossible that hijackers prevented crew from sending an emergency signal.
    3. Where is the airplane? First it was 4 hours, then 5 hours, now 6.5 hours that it flew after 'disappearing'. I saw an interesting interview with a pilot who said that it is possible the airplane is on land - either crashed in a jungle or it was intentionally flown somewhere and landed. He says there are only two explanations for the transponder being switched off: intentionally by the pilot (and he says no pilot would do that) or a catastrophic electrical fire, which means the plane would have crashed into the sea, quite quickly, and there would be no ping signal.

    If this was a hijacking, it was a very strange one.
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    "The plane's last communication with the satellite was in one of two possible corridors: a northern corridor stretching approximately from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, or a southern corridor stretching approximately from Indonesia to the southern Indian ocean. The investigation team is working to further refine the information."
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1



    Are they making **** up constantly or what? What news will tomorrow bring? Seems this has spun really out of control.
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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    OK, so whoever the perpetrators are they've certainly got the attention of the world.
    Sapere aude

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    Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

    Quote Posted by Paul (here)
    Just as Joseph P. Farrell anticipated, in his conversation with George Ann Hughes, posted above by PurpleLama: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers -- Post #367
    Quote Posted by Wind (here)
    Here is Dr. Paul LaViolette's take on the story.

    http://etheric.com/disappearance-mal...fo-connection/
    When two of the researchers I trust the most both come to a similar view, I pay close attention. Farrell and LaViolette both suspect deep physics, quite possibly at the hands of non-humans, behind the disappearance of Malaysian Flight MH370. Thank-you, PurpleLama and Wind for bringing these two to our attention.

    I will repost more of LaViolette's post here, with fancier formatting, for the benefit of other readers.

    ===============

    Disappearance of Malaysia Flight MH370: The UFO Connection

    In December 2013 Gillessen, et al. reported their latest assessment of the pericenter date for the G2 cloud, when it will be closest to the Galactic center. This was figured to be April 1st, 2014 ± 22 days (see G2 news posting: http://etheric.com/g2-cloud-likely-c...ore-explosion/). As I explained in the March 4th interview with Kerry Cassidy, the period from about March 10th to April 23rd should be a period we should be carefully watching what happens in the Galactic center in case a companion star or planet is torn away from the primary star believed to be hidden within the G2 cloud, because 2 weeks after that there is as much as a one in 15 chance that a Galactic superwave will be arriving on our doorstep.

    It is now very disturbing to hear that on March 8th, just prior to the beginning of this yellow alert period, Malaysia flight MH370 takes off and disappears in flight with no good explanation and no evidence of any wreckage! As the mystery deepens it has become the number one news story that media around the world has been reporting. If you Google this flight you will get over a billion webpage sites discussing it!

    Now suspicion has begun to emerge that there may be a UFO abduction connection. Stories on this are circulating on the internet and media news sites with almost 3 million hits showing up on a Google search. Here are a few examples of news stories on this:Two things don’t fit in with a typical crash. First there is the fact that people have called the cell phones of their loved one’s and they ring! In person reports even that his call was answered but then was disconnected. Cell phones don’t work if they are underwater. If they were underwater, they would not ring. However, as Alexander pointed out in the comments, a person calling a cell phone could hear ringing even when the cell phone is shut off. But this is not a general rule internationally. For example, when I shut off my Greek cell phone and call the phone number, it doesn’t ring. I instead get a recording that there is no good connection with an offer to take a message. So the interpretation of the ringing depends on the particular service that the cell phone was using.

    Also there is the unusual radar activity over Malaysia that is most disturbing of all. The media has been playing this down by simply saying that flight controllers have been unable to properly interpret the radar records. But according to the story by Steven Cook presented in the first link above, while flight MH370 was in flight and just 250 km out from its departure airport, a UFO appeared on the radar map about 350 km to its southeast, transformed into a an apparent plane signal on the map, and then sped off to the northeast at about five times the speed of the other jets; i.e., at mach 3.5, only to come to a complete halt at the edge of the radar map and sit there motionless! At this time flight MH370 is about 330 km from its take-off location, and then after traveling just 20 more km (after the UFO has stalled out motionless), it also begins to momentarily stall out and make unusual jerk-like cuts to the left and right. These jerk-like flight corrections continue and then when the plane has traveled about 140 km from the point where these jerk-like flight cuts began, its altitude suddenly drops to zero, then at zero altitude the plane suddenly “shoots” 20 km forward along its previous northeast flight course at a speed of ~Mach 5, then continues forward for about 5 kilometers at its previous cruising speed (but again at zero altitude) at which point it vanishes into thin air! All these events from the point the jerks begin until the point the plane disappears would have transpired within the space of just 17 minutes!
    Listen to this narrated discussion of the Malaysian air space radar record for the period covering the disappearance of flight MH370.

    No wonder the air flight controllers say that they are confused by what the records show. Now just because a UFO was hovering offscreen about 300 km east from where this inflight “struggle” took place does not mean that it could not have had an effect on the passenger jet. As described in my book Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, now also available from Amazon in ebook format, microwave phase conjugate beam technology can create tractor beam effects that can reach even over distances of hundreds of kilometers. The unacknowledged U.S. advanced propulsion space program has had such technology for years which they developed in Project Skyvault begun just after World War II. The U.S. secret space program also has had hypervelocity space vehicles in operation for decades. So one possibility is that this was an attack on civilian aircraft technology to show the world how much superior this space program technology is. This though seems highly unlikely to me. I can’t imagine that even a secret space program would resort to such disgusting behavior. The other possibility which seems more plausible to me is that the hypervelocity craft off in right field was an alien vehicle. So if that is the case what would be the rationale of all this?

    The idea that comes to mind, and to many this may seem totally off the wall, is that an alien race is planning to make a public appearance in a very highly publicized fashion. What better way to do this than to make a jet mysteriously disappear, which turns into the leading worldwide news story, and then at an appropriate future date make it safely turn up in a prearranged location with all people on board claiming that they were safely treated, and to do this with hundreds of media channels covering the location of its appearance. Maybe even with even a few UFOs hovering near by. Then we might imagine that the people will be interviewed and claim that the ETs are in fact very friendly and that they did this just as a necessary publicity stunt. The ETs will instantly have won the world’s admiration, not only because their stunt took a lot of guts, but because it was done in a very sophisticated way. Then perhaps this alien race will make their grande appearance and claim that they had to breach the Prime Directive in order to point out to us that we only have x number of days until the superwave arrives.

    OK, this may be a flight of imagination. But with some of the strange goings on so far, it does not seem that far out. If I am wrong, maybe Hollywood will make a movie out of the above abduction scenario (Though I claim screen rights). Along these same lines, I wonder what Courtney Brown of the Farsight Institute says he is about to reveal to us on March 15th that is so shocking that it will change forever the way we view the world. The date of his announcement is just 3 days away.

    To embellish the above scenario, which some may view as a “flight of fantasy”, here is a quote from the book The Bermuda Triangle by Gail Stewart in which radio contact was instantly lost from the missing ship. Thanks to a comment by Kim for pointing this out. Also in the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind, prior to the major close encounter event, a missing ship mysteriously appears in the Mongolian Gobi Desert and about the same time a torpedo bomber from Flight 19 which had gone missing in 1945 from the Devil’s Triangle suddenly appears in the Mexican desert.

    From the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    Another news story that surfaced March 11th, claims that the flight was seen momentarily on Malaysian military radar over the island of Pulau Perak, see following news item: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001780/pg1. This is in the middle of the Straight of Malacca. This implies a major U turn from its previous course if true. There is also a conflicting report from an Indonesian oil platform worker who claims he saw a fireball in the sky about 75 km away in the direction of where the plane first disappeared. But if that is the case, why has wreckage not been found at that location?
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    The hijack theory seems odd to me.

    1. How many people had cellphones on board? Not one managed to send out a message? Everyone just handed phones to hijackers (who probably weren't armed) without anyone sending not even a one-word message? Was some kind of gas released to knock everyone unconscious? It's really a stretch to believe that the plane was hijacked and not one passenger sent out a message on a cellphone.
    2. The plane was hijacked and no one in the cockpit and among the crew could send any kind of message at all? There was an incident here within the last year ... a plane landed and was instantly surrounded by security. Hijack! There was no hijack but the pilot or co-pilot inadvertently, without realising it, pressed some kind of button or switch that sent out an emergency signal that says the plane has been hijacked. It took a while for the crew to convince security that the plane had not been hijacked - can we please get off the plane! I assumed that all airplanes now have this device, but I suppose it is not impossible that hijackers prevented crew from sending an emergency signal.
    3. Where is the airplane? First it was 4 hours, then 5 hours, now 6.5 hours that it flew after 'disappearing'. I saw an interesting interview with a pilot who said that it is possible the airplane is on land - either crashed in a jungle or it was intentionally flown somewhere and landed. He says there are only two explanations for the transponder being switched off: intentionally by the pilot (and he says no pilot would do that) or a catastrophic electrical fire, which means the plane would have crashed into the sea, quite quickly, and there would be no ping signal.

    If this was a hijacking, it was a very strange one.


    Of course ... admitting that the plane is just a machine and no matter how safe you make it , it can meet its own end in some unexpected manner is very uncomfortable idea for both aviation industry .. and public .

    Second to it come any space anomaly the plane could have bumped into , that's still more uncomfortable idea .. because ''we can't successfully predict, prevent it , so we can't remedy it either' and 'it may or may not show on our radars' .

    There are plenty of natural ( not to speak about intelligently guided phenomena ) of that kind, no they don't happen often but they do happen .

    Half of the U.F.O.s people witness in the atmosphere are weird but natural phenomena .. I mean , probably much bigger percentage than 'half ' to be fair .

    There are various forms of electrical discharges originating somewhere in the upper stratosphere that may act similarly to 'pulse weapons' . There are things like charged clouds and forms of lightenings that you're lucky to avoid or not,
    I hear you.. they had good weather ..

    But I can well imagine the system bumped to something that disabled the transponders, and other electrical circuits on the board . There could have been a weakness in the system ( and the authorities, of course, will have hard time admitting this ).

    Even if all this happened and it could happened .. as result of encounter with natural or artificial phenomenon , and the plane virtually 'blacked out' , lost communication system , navigation went berserk, electrical systems shut down ,
    the plane is violently shaking, air pressure drops, the pilot makes all efforts to stabilise the machine in the air , find a course to the safest spot to land .. he's in black,
    people are half conscious.. he is good pilot so will be able to keep the flight in the air for as long as he can ..
    and the safest thing he knows he can possibly do is landing on water .

    The only reason why he'd have made U turn is to wanting to take the plane 'safe home' but there comes the 'hijack theory' and no it does not make sense and if you lose orientation in space, you're not making U turns .
    You have the map in your head, know roughly where the coast is, where to go to avoid the coast .. if they crash on land , the chances of survival are low.



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    Here is part of a discussion on the Courtney Brown thread which seems to be applicable here (possibly more so than there ):

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    Secondly, I would suggest that people ‘with even a moderate grasp of quantum mechanics’ are few and far between, notably because quantum mechanics have for a long time been divorced from macro-reality.
    I have a hunch this is exactly what Courtney Brown is going to announce on the Ides of March, by some manner of easy-to-grasp scientific discovery, that the world of quantum mechanics is not divorced from macro-reality.
    It seems that this 777 is behaving less like a particle than a probability wave. The whole world is imagining every possible scenario for what might happen next to a large aircraft when the oh so usual thing that happens next is for it to follow its normal flight path at known speed and altitude etc etc.

    It may be that for it to collapse back into our macro-reality, it needs us the collective observer to decide, want, visualize, hope and pray for, simply expect, all of the above, what is to happen next. What that is will be for the highest good, because that is what the majority desire, and because that is the way of the universe; and this will likely involve the passengers and crew turning up somewhere safe and sound in such a way as to demonstrate this fact and confound those who would have us believe otherwise.

    Somewhere safe and sound may simply be taking up where they left off x days afterwards. Instead of missing time, it would be the whole world that has experienced added time, the mother of all timeouts

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