Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Roisin]

Svd asked "The flight did hit a wall. But what was that wall?"

The first sentence in your statement above and the second statement in it which is a question tells us that you didn't even read the post where I posted that vision here in this thread. If you had read it, you would not be saying what you are saying here and you would not be asking that question either.

However, having said this, I personally think you stated things the way you did here and asked that question to cause confusion even though I stated everything about what I saw in that vision very clearly. As clear as.. "See Spot run!" .

So I think maybe you probably read it but because that inner vision does not conform to your view of what happened to that plane, you seem to be upset about that. I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do about that.

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Because you did what you just did, I don't want to even talk to you. Ok?

You distorted the details of my description of the contents of that inner vision and did that intentionally. IOW, you did a rewrite of a part of it for your own purposes.And then you asked me a question from your own rewrite of it that you intentionally messed up the facts in with regards to my description of what I saw in that inner vision.

No... we will not talk... you and I.

[Atlas]

Posted by sheme (here)
Before it's News has an interesting slant on matters.

P.S. We can now report that the Malaysian aircraft that had as its final destination Beijing, China did turn around and actually land in the nation of India. It was the heroic Vietnamese Air Traffic Control and their Air Force that communicated directly with the mystery flight out of Malaysia and told them that if they did not turn around the Chinese Air Force would shoot the plane down.
FACT: The recent attempt by the Chinese Politburo, CNN cable news network and the U.S. Nazi Paperclip NSA to put out disinformation aka false evidence about the Malaysian flight crashing in the China Sea confirms that the Chinese Politburo and the U.S. Nazi Paperclip NSA were preparing to shoot the Malaysian aircraft out of the air and commit massive genocide.
We can now divulge that three (3) members of the highest level of the Chinese military were on the flight bound for Beijing.
FACT: When the Malaysian aircraft separately turned off their transponders that was an attempt by the Malaysian aircraft pilot to disguise the aircraft from Chinese radar and accordingly safeguard the passengers from the criminal, crooked worldwide bank-controlled Chinese government...................

Crap. In the same article (http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/...3-13-2014.html), Tom Heneghan also wrote:

Posted by Tom Heneghan
It would be nice to put Erin Burnett, Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper, Chris Matthews and Bill O'Reilly on an island in the middle of the Indian Ocean. The island can be named "Conspiracy Theory Island".

[sdv]

Posted by Roisin (here)
Svd asked "The flight did hit a wall. But what was that wall?"

The first sentence in that your statement and the second statement in it which is a question tells me that you didn't even read the post where I posted that vision here in this thread. If you had read it, you would not be saying what you are saying here and you would not be asking that question either.

I personally think you stated things the way you did here and asked that question to cause confusion even though I stated everything about what I saw in that vision very clearly. As clear as.. "See Spot run!" .

So I think maybe you probably read it but because that inner vision does not conform to your view of what happened to that plane, you are seem to be upset about that. I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do about that.

So sorry that you were so offended by what I said, which was trying to support and affirm you. That you chose to attack me is something I will withdraw from. Goodnight and goodbye from my part of the world.

[Roisin]

SVD, I accept your apology. But have a good life, OK?

[Agape]

Since we can't identify the 'wall' , I propose brand new theory ... it was the Chinese con-artists . Not real terrorists .. real terrorists would have it planned better .
They probably wanted to talk the captain to taking them all to the US but it caused an argument onboard .
I think they flew towards Philippines because they could refuel there . So they'll be found somewhere in the China sea, or .. alternatively , in China town drinking coffee at bar .

[Roisin]

Here is that inner vision I had and my first interpretation of it:
Here's the link to that post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post807589

Default Re: Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

I had an inner vision during my morning meditation session today. But just before I started that session, I asked what happened to that plane. Well, I got lucky because while I was meditating, an inner eye scene popped in where I was sitting in a plane where the pilots were up front in an open cockpit so I could see what they were seeing out of the planes' windshield.
What I saw:
So I'm sitting in this plane as we are approaching a very tall brick wall. It was so tall, I couldn't even see the top of it and it seemed to go on forever. Well, when we were face to face with that brick wall, the plane then shifted into flying in a vertical direction, like a helicopter, up the that wall so fast, it made me nauseous. Then the plane stopped flying UP and the wall opened up showing a tunnel where the plane then flew into it ... and into darkness. That was the end of that vision.

Interpretation:
They say that when a plane crashes into the water, it's like hitting a brick wall. So that tall brick wall in that vision could have been the ocean and that airliner could have dived into it.

I'm surprised I saw that because prior to starting that meditation, it made more sense to me that the plane broke up in mid-air up 35,000 ft and that seems to be the prevailing sentiment of most aviation experts who have commented in the news about the demise of the plane.

But I saw otherwise because in my vision, it flew into a tunnel in that brick wall.

A detail I left out.
That tall brick wall first impressed me as a very, very tall building; like a sky scraper because it had windows too. But once we were face to face with that building, I didn't notice that we were passing any windows as we flew up that wall and then into that tunnel.

PS -- Just read over David Icke's explanation of what may have happened to that plane. He says it just vanished.

Of course, my own interpretation of what I saw in that inner vision of mine could be incorrect. Maybe the tunnel the plane flew into was something else and not the ocean. Maybe the brick wall only looked like it was made of brick but it was actually something else. If Icke's view is correct, then that would be something like a laser beam. But then again, maybe it flew into a spaceship. Who knows?

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Last edited by Roisin; 11th March 2014 at 11:37.

The next morning, there was a massive explosion in NYC of the same kind of brick building in terms of the color of the bricks and the style of the building and the windows that I saw in that vision I had the morning before.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/explosion-m...ry?id=22874973

Also, one detail that I left out in my original post describing what I saw in that vision was that there was another person sitting in the seat next to me where both of us were sitting behind the pilots of that plane.

Another detail I left out is that that tunnel was a spiraling tunnel and there was no light at the end of it.

[Elainie]

Jamie Doward
The Observer, Saturday 15 March 2014 13.17 EDT

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, centre, with Minister for Transport Hishamuddin Hussein, left, and civil aviaition director Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, delivering a statement to the media this weekend. Photograph: Wong Maye-E/AP
Why did it take so long before anyone realised the plane was missing?
It didn't. Malaysia's acting transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, has confirmed that the plane ceased communicating with ground control about 40 minutes into its flight to Beijing, but this information was not made public for many hours. Malaysia has faced accusations of not sharing all of its information or suspicions about the plane's final movements. It, however, says it would be irresponsible to narrow the focus of the search until there is firm evidence of the plane's flight path. Malaysia's reluctance to go public with the news that one of its planes had vanished is perhaps understandable. The disappearance of the Boeing 777 – one of the safest commercial jets in service – is one of the most baffling in aviation history. It is extremely rare for a modern passenger aircraft to disappear once it has reached cruising altitude.

Why did no one see the plane veering so far off course?
They did. The New York Times, quoting American officials and others close to the investigation, said radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appeared to show the airliner climbing to 45,000ft, higher than a Boeing 777's approved limit, soon after its disappearance from civilian radar, then making a sharp turn to the west. The radar tracking then shows the plane descending unevenly to 23,000ft, below normal cruising levels, before climbing again and flying north-west towards the Indian Ocean. What the military did with this information is not known.

Why this flight?
Here we enter the realm of wild speculation: the internet is awash with theories. It could be that Malaysia was geographically convenient. Some suggest that, if it is a hijack, it is probably the work of Uighur separatists in Xinjiang, western China, or Islamic terrorists. On 1 March attackers armed with knives killed at least 29 people and injured more than 100 in Kunming station in southern China. Chinese authorities and state media were quick to describe this as a terror attack by Uighurs in their "jihad". Hijacking a plane would be by far their most spectacular achievement. The plane had fuel to get as far north as Kazakhstan, according to some experts, which means it could have been flown to Pakistan or Afghanistan. However, given that the jet was not detected by these two militarised countries, this seems unlikely. Some say a flight from Malaysia to China was a softer target than, say, a transatlantic flight, but there is little evidence for this. There are, say pilots, many softer targets.

Why are the pilots' homes being searched only now?
This does raise questions about Malaysia's handling of the situation. The lengthy delay appears to bolster criticism that Malaysia has been ineffective in this crisis. Numerous false sightings of wreckage may have convinced the authorities that they were dealing with a disaster, not terrorism, which could explain why they did not immediately search the men's homes.

Why did Vietnam not raise the alarm?
Once an aircraft is more than 150 miles out to sea, radar coverage fades and crews keep in touch with air traffic control and other aircraft by high-frequency radio. About 40 minutes in, the flight was still the "property" of Malaysian air traffic control, which we know made contact with the plane just minutes before it disappeared. All seemed fine as the pilot reported "all right, good night". This last verbal communication came at the boundary between Malaysian and Vietnamese airspace. Malaysian air traffic control told the pilots the flight was being passed to Ho Chi Minh control. The Vietnamese authorities may never have assumed responsibility for the plane as it never entered their airspace. This would be consistent with where the search has now moved to.

How do investigators know the communications systems were shut off and did not just go wrong?
This is based on information from the Malaysian authorities who, admittedly, have given contradictory reports. The prime minister, Najib Razak, said investigators now had a "high degree of certainty" that one of the plane's communications systems, the aircraft and communications addressing and reporting system (Acars), was disabled before the aircraft reached the east coast of Malaysia. Shortly afterwards, someone on board switched off the aircraft's transponder, which communicates with civilian air traffic control.

How do we know the plane flew on after the transponder was switched off?
Routine, automated signals from the aircraft – known as electronic handshakes or pings – registered on the Inmarsat satellite network. MH370's last ping suggested it was in one of two flight corridors: one between Thailand and Kazakhstan, and another between Indonesia and the southern Indian Ocean. The last confirmed communication was made at 08:11, which would indicate that the Boeing continued flying for nearly seven hours after contact was lost. As a result, its location will be extremely difficult to pinpoint quickly. Without further radar/satellite/eye-witness testimony, say experts, it is very much like looking for a needle in a haystack. A source familiar with US assessments of the Inmarsat satellite pings said it appeared the plane turned south over the Indian Ocean, where it would presumably have run out of fuel and crashed into the sea.




More on the communications systems being switched off:

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...ssage.cnn.html

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Please everyone, post links to your information sources as we continue to explore what happened. We have a mix of identified sources and unknown sources. If your information is from intuition, inner knowing, etc., please say so if links are not available. Any source can be a mix of truth, unintentional distortions and intentional distortions.

As we all speculate on what happened, and learn more, we are also building a track record of information sources.

[thunder24]

heres what happened....

the plane is off the main stream radar, there are many people wondering what happened.... there are many people that think they know what happened.... there are some that claim this, and some that claim that.... and there are some "others" which could b human, but not necessarily human, that know what happened.....

that is all....but leaving room for more. <------------------room for more!

[Roisin]

Posted by Ron Mauer Sr (here)
Please everyone, post links to your information sources as we continue to explore what happened. We have a mix of identified sources and unknown sources. If your information is from intuition, inner knowing, etc., please say so if links are not available. Any source can be a mix of truth, unintentional distortions and intentional distortions.

As we all speculate on what happened, and learn more, we are also building a track record of information sources.

Notice that SDV didn't include a link to that post where I'm describing what I saw in my inner eye vision. I'm not going to say anymore about it except that I believe there was a reason why that person didn't include that link.

[Harley]

So then, has everyone now noticed the profound 'Shift in Direction' this story has taken ever since another "Official" Party became involved?

I am now fairly certain that we will eventually get an answer as to what happened to Flight MH-370. And that answer will be whatever they want us to believe. End of story. Period.

My original "Fictional Account" was based upon a terrorist/hijacking, remember that?

Based upon the 'Shift in Direction' this investigation has taken, and to be more specific the party who's responsible for this 'Shift in Direction', I can't discount the possibility of one thing: A CIA operation. So they would most certainly want to take control of this investigation in order to make it their own story.

This plane could easily have been flown to Thailand for refueling. (Guess what? Who controls large military bases in Thailand?)

And then this plane could easily have been flown to Afghanistan. (Even more remote and secure. Oh and Guess what? Who controls large military bases in Afghanistan?)

And then? I don't know because I wouldn't know the scenario. But I do know that Afghanistan would make a great jumping-off point for lots of stuff.

But whatever the outcome of this investigation, whether true or not, I'm fairly certain that the passengers and crew are lost.

[Shikasta]

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[Theseus]

158 Chinese passengers... to me this sounds like an extraction. Obama's brother worked for the Intel community in China.. Obama and his wife are both very much involved with all of it. I bet you there is a connection and I bet that it has something to do with the fact obama is making it easy for the chinese too buy our land from under our feet.
or and yet again I think it was a extraction go chinese spies.you know we have 250 k chinese troops on US soil protecting their investments.

Gimme some thoughts. Hit me wih a reply or a theory

[Harley]

Posted by Shikasta (here)

Harley, in your second paragraph I've quoted above, did you mean to type "Who controls large military bases in Afghanistan?

Corrected it right after I posted.

Thanks!

[Selene]

The problem – at least from my point of view – with these much more nefarious theories is that if this was a CIA-or-other-national-intel operation, they would have figured out the end game/cover story from the outset so that it was a more seamless narrative: plane crashed into sea, flotsam sighted, parts retrieved, fake black box data, yadda yadda, no matter what actually happens to the plane. They wouldn’t leave it hanging like this to become a story bigger than Russia Invades The Ukraine. (Hmmm.....nah.)

Instead, we’ve got – by all accounts – everybody scrambling for an answer, any answer. We should have had the MSM Official Version long ago if someone had already written the script.

This is still something wildly off the charts, IMO. The stewardess done it, with a mickey in the chicken divan.

[Elainie]

Captain Zaharie Shah appears to be an atheist and also was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality hours before flight 370 vanished it is reported.
I was having a look at his YT account: https://youtube.com/user/catalinapby1


I am in agreement with you Selene, I don't think this fits standard conspiracy theory.
My feeling is this was a rogue operation.

[Synchronicity]

Posted by ERK (here)
Captain Zaharie Shah appears to be an atheist and also was a fervent supporter of his country's opposition leader who was jailed for homosexuality hours before flight 370 vanished it is reported.
I was having a look at his YT account: https://youtube.com/user/catalinapby1


I am in agreement with you Selene, I don't think this fits standard conspiracy theory.
My feeling is this was a rogue operation.

What does being an atheist and/or homosexual have to do with this? He might not be liked or tolerated for his views where he lives, but neither thing means he would do something wrong.

[Harley]

Posted by Selene (here)
The problem – at least from my point of view – with these much more nefarious theories is that if this was a CIA-or-other-national-intel operation, they would have figured out the end game/cover story from the outset so that it was a more seamless narrative: plane crashed into sea, flotsam sighted, parts retrieved, fake black box data, yadda yadda, no matter actually happens to the plane. They wouldn’t leave it hanging like this to become a story bigger than Russia Invades The Ukraine. (Hmmm.....nah.)

Instead, we’ve got – by all accounts – everybody scrambling for an answer, any answer. We should have had the MSM Official Version long ago if someone had already written the script.

This is still something wildly off the charts, IMO. The stewardess done it, with a mickey, in the chicken divan.

Sure. But remember that the investigation is now more and more pointing towards hijacking - officially.

With the story now going in this direction, the plane could be used for nefarious purposes and then it would be very easy for them to say 'The So-And-So' Terrorists did it'.

And the mass would buy it.

[Elainie]

Synchronicity- doesn't have anything to do with my views (because I honestly don't care who is atheist or homosexual) but it might point to him being way more liberal than the average Malaysian. Again this could all be fabricated by the media as well but if you look at his likes on YT there are a few atheist/God Deception YT'es he liked. So of they are trying to target Zaharie it sure isn't for him being a radical muslim.

The report on his wife and 3 kids leaving him the day before and moving out are conflicting because it is said his two older son's didn't live at home and he had a 20 something year old daughter living at home with his wife. So maybe if this is indeed correct that his wife left him and he was responsible for the plane veering off , it could have due to sudden psychological crisis. Just a thought.

[SilentFeathers]

The pilot has to be a main suspect until completely ruled out IMO, I was suspicious about him from day one when all the media basically ignored him as a suspect and didn't bat an eye he had a 777 simulator in his home.

Even so, I don't believe he could of pulled this off all by himself.