Robert Stanley interview with a psychiatirst, schizophrenia - possible archon influence

[seeker/reader]

Below is an interesting interview by Robert Stanley and a psychiatrist, Dr. J, who contacted him regarding his decades long investigation into gaining an understanding of schizophrenia. He contacted Robert Stanley after he heard about his discussions regarding archons. He has worked in state mental hospitals, state prisons, mental health centers and in emergency room crisis centers.

The Dr. said early in his career he became intrigued by "the voices" heard by schizophrenic patients and after having personal interactions with them for many years he has concluded that they are not hallucinations, as traditional psychiatry says they are. He said that these "hallucinations" were always negative experiences. They were not random hallucinations, some good, some neutral and some bad, as you would expect true hallucinations to be. They were consistently negative and always drove the patient toward self-destruction.

He said no one ever had conducted a study into what the voices were, no one was interested in them, everyone just accepted they were hallucinations. He was discouraged from asking questions about them. Regardless, he pursued his interest and talked with patients directly about their situations. He found that many of them faked taking their meds. He could not understand why as they would descend into a hellish psychosis where the patients would become paranoid, have nightmares, see demons, become violent to others and also harm themselves sometimes to the point of suicide, when they went off their medication.

The meds. were tranquilizers that would quiet the voices and subdue them, so he could not understand why they would they would stop taking them as they would help relieve their symptoms. So, he asked them why they would choose a hellish situation over one of relief and they said that the voices would tell them not to take the meds. The voices told them that the doctors were trying to poison and kill them.

The voices also did not like the fact that he was asking the patient about them. They would call him names and tell the patient not to talk to him, however the patients would continue to talk to him regardless of their protestations, as he appeared to genuinely want to understand what they were experiencing.

One patient, who was a cocaine addict, told him that the voices instructed him on tasks to do. For instance, he was instructed to travel from CA to OR to find a pot field that was unknown to the patient. He followed their specific instructions and sure enough there was a pot field where they told him to go. They told him to harvest some of it and go to a park that they knew of to sell it and make money. He followed their directions and indeed there was a park there. He made lots of money and the voices then told him where he could go to by more cocaine.

Other patients told him that their voices would tell them which houses to break into, what times to do it and they knew the general area where the loot was located in the house.

These voices were not only intelligent but had intelligence unknown to the patient.

He began working closely with one patient who was willing to try things. Dr. J suggested that he do the opposite of what the voices instructed him to do and to try to think positively. The patient followed his advice and reported that the voices did not approve of him doing so, but he did it anyway. The voices told him to tell the Dr that what he was doing was dangerous. The patient reported that the voices had diminished in strength by following his recommendations. After a while of progress the patient came to him and said the voices wanted to speak directly to him. This had never happened before, in all of his cases and he was surprised to hear their request. He agreed to speak to the voices and he said the patient looked at him, his demeanor changed and he said, "You have no right to interfere with our way of life." The patient then left.

The Dr. said he was shocked to hear such a thing and he sat there thinking about what had happened. That was the moment that he knew that these voices were something else, something separate from the patient, some other entity. He had done some research and came across the Carlos Castaneda material and decided to meet again with the patient and get his input about it. He quoted from the book and talked about parasitic entities that live off of negative emotional energy, that exists on the earth plane, just like we do but they have been here longer and they treat humans like cattle.

He said he then looked at the patient to see his reaction and he was intently staring at him not saying a word. The Dr. then said he heard a loud crackling electrical sound off to the right, near the wall. The sound proceeded to move up the wall, on the ceiling over the patient, down the left wall, onto the floor and it then jumped into the trash can near the Doctors foot. It rattled the can for a while before stopping. He asked the patient if he heard that and the patient was still intently staring at him and said he needed to leave. The doctor thought the patient was going to attack him but thankfully he left the room.

He was shocked that these voices/beings could affect our physical world and wondered what else they were capable of. He avoided the patient for three months and finally got the nerve to talk to him again. He asked him if he heard the sound during their last meeting and he said he did and was surprised that the doctor could hear it too. The Dr. asked the patient what the sound was and he said it was the voices. The Dr. asked if they were saying anything to him while the sound was crackling and he said yes, they told him to go find a shank and to stab him in the stomach. The Dr. asked him why he didn't do what they instructed and he said he couldn't find a shank to stab him with.

Here is the full interview for those interested.

http://unicusmagazine.com/MP3/01-rob...03_28_2013.mp3

Here is the webpage it can be found on if the link does not work correctly.

http://unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm

Go down to where it talks about Dr. J affirming archons are real, in red bold text.

[Carmody]

Whatever the reasons, this covers them all. It gets it 'done', it removes the condition and threat basis, it cuts the feet out from under it.

To come up with an answer the covers all potentials and all avenues, all levels of understanding, in all mindsets, all systems of logic and reason.

That is key. Which is why I proposed exactly that given thing.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-domino-effect

[Hervé]

Interesting that said Dr. remains anonymous... not to be ostracized from his profession?

The "casting out" of demons has a long history... but that's "unfair" concurrence to psychiatric drugs' billion dollars business...

[frozen alchemy]

Whoa. This changes everything. I co-host a radio show and we had Robert Stanley on a while ago as a guest. He started to get into the discussion of archons, but frankly it's so strange that it's very hard to even discuss. I think I'll try to get both him and this doctor on to continue the exploration of this. Thanks for the post.

[kenaz]

I really enjoyed this interview. Very interesting!!!
Thanks for posting.

[andrewgreen]

Very interesting and thought provoking interview.

Found it amazing how the psychology institutions are so against investigation into the 'voices' when it seems like the obvious cause of the problem.

Terrance McKenna also made the point that people developing 'psychosis' in aboriginal societies would be initiated and later revered as witch doctors of the tribe as they had a gift which needed nurturing. It may also explain why some shaman's develop into evil sorcerers.

The condition is clearly massively misunderstand and has potentially wide reaching consequences for all of society.

[Mandala]

I always wondered why the voices and hallucinations were negative. After learning so much from Avalon and other research, I knew it was more than likely a demonic or some type of reptilian mind control thing. They probably get a lot of negative energy from the havoc they sow. What torture for so many sufferers.

[seeker/reader]

Posted by andrewgreen (here)
Very interesting and thought provoking interview.

Found it amazing how the psychology institutions are so against investigation into the 'voices' when it seems like the obvious cause of the problem.

The condition is clearly massively misunderstand and has potentially wide reaching consequences for all of society.

Yes, to me it seems as though there is an institutional cover-up. I find it unbelievable that they would not want to research the source of the "voices". No scientific inquiry???

I think the higher ups in authority of the Psychological community know the truth but want to keep it hushed up. The higher ups are probably cabal members assigned to keep an eye on the situation. They just drug the patients, ignore them, keep them quiet and discourage anyone from looking further into the matter.

[Chester]

Ready for the mind blowing coincidence?

Sunday I reached a new crossroads. I cried out to the universe - "Give me purpose!!" I heard Finefeather's "I told you so" chuckle.

Having drunk too much coffee Sunday, I slept poorly that night and so yesterday was a strange "off day" and things did not go smoothly. Seeing that it was going to be a "bad day" I decided to remain unengaged as "problems" arose.

My son's brand new iPhone5s went berserk and so I offered to run him to the store quickly before it closed. The store redirected us to the Apple store. So the next few hours I was held hostage to whatever happened which was a good thing. I "went with the flow."

They appeared to "fix" his issue though two hours had vanished in the process. On the way home, I passed a lighted billboard that said - "Schizophrenia Study 214 - 396 - 4848."

There it was!!! Purpose! I can "help them" understand what is going on regarding schizophrenia! Purpose! (save the world? again? I thought I had moved outside that pattern).

So I wake up this morning. I almost never look in General anymore on Avalon - I go to the Priority threads, Spiritual and Contactees sub forum only.

"Something" compelled me to look in General - BAM! This thread... BAM, the OP blows me away as I have so much I could offer to this "Dr. J" and I already have had several e-mails with Robert Stanley so...

So I suddenly look down at the number I written when home last night - the number that I had memorized from the billboard. I call. I get to person #2 (past the first screener). I suggest I could be quite helpful in their "study." Erroneously I had assumed "study" meant "to study the phenomena." When I was asked if I had been diagnosed as a schizophrenic, I replied, "Yes... and bi-polar as well." Wrong answer. Their study was limited solely to schizophrenics only. But they would be happy to take all my information just in case they ever did a study regarding that dual diagnosis. I said, "So you are telling me that the information I might be able to provide which might expand your understanding of the phenomena is of no interest because I have also been diagnosed as bi-polar?" She replied, that is correct. So I then asked what exactly they were studying? She replied, "accepted participants agree to take experimental drugs and it is the effect of those drugs we are hoping to study."

How naive I can still be??!!

I actually thought they wanted to learn more about this phenomena so that they might actually "help" people.

The above story is all 100% true. I am now wondering if Robert Stanley would put me in touch with "Dr. J." Should I even try?

I do not believe all these interactions have to result in the target being having a negative experience. Yes, perhaps for most this turns out to be the case. Perhaps if mainstream psychology would open up to the possibility these "voices" are beings from another realm (which I see as residing within my sub conscious and which then manifest in my outer reality experience) this can be treated so that beings who wish to retain their sovereignty have a better chance of so doing. I suspect the odds are extremely low one can get as immersed as I had in this type of phenomena and survive intact and actually emerge on top of the situation as I have (for now at least)... but this does not have to remain so.

[Carmody]

who was the drug company? I'm pretty sure they would not tell you that, though. They are screeners for their client. one who is trying to get to an exact answer,and is probably engaging in conformation bias as a lead in, a formation of the coming study. A common problem that plagues drug studies.

This is what one finds out.....one who does not just read the fine print, but personally questions the people involved in the actual study, and the definition and enactment of all activities that surround the parameter definitions.

Many times, in American drug studies, it is not an actual study, it is window dressing, and advertizement for the desired outcome. You've got a corporation, who has their own men in the FDA (corporate appointee as the head), so the studies are rubber stamped into being legal drug and proper unbiased studies..all this..as a form of window dressings and cover for anyone who might actually bother to look.

in OTHER countries, the corporations must pay upfront for a study, but into a blind trust that is administrated by committees that have nothing to do with the corporation, and the study is formed and carried out by a group that has nothing to do with the corporation, or the government offices, outside of basic accountability. Potentials for connections and bias are scrutinized.

The USA fails on those all important aspects, in any given drug study. almost to a '100% of all studies for drug approval' level.

What I'm saying, is that in other countries that have a proper drug approval system..., if a corporation wants an approval of a drug, they don't get to be involved in the approval testing, at all. They pay for it, and that is their sole connection. Until a yes/no and the study comes out the other end, they get nothing. Not even a peep. Which is how it should and needs to be done.

[Chester]

Hi Carmody - the woman I spoke with said it was funded by "several pharmaceutical companies" and I did not even think to ask which ones. I am of the mind that once one looks for the "funding trees" for these types of things, the picture may become foggy and/or intentionally misleading thus at my level (which is at the bottom), I feel attempting to pursue that would be a time waste and may raise my "threat level rating" as I am surely on the radar anyways. I am not here to make trouble.

I had also considered that the results desired were per-determined and so the study would be steered towards support of those desired results. But also, I do believe there may be a genuine interest in trying "new" drugs to see if there could be a way to sever the ability for some human beings to be "connected" with the world which generates these "voices."

This being a way to eliminate "witches" that may be perceived as threats ala the Inquisition.

My hope is that enough empowered human beings on earth desire from the depths of their souls to move into a more widespread amongst us all, sovereign dynamic with regards to these "beings" that generate these "voices." If enough of us do, it will happen. If enough don't, perhaps a point may be reached that the human physical body vehicle can be locked down such that souls who incarnate within them going forward will experience a prison as long as they continue to recycle back into this current Earth situation.

I did not know of the difference in procedure (massive difference) you outlined above. Wow... I feel terribly sad about this but if this is the case then "it is what it is" as they say. I hope the folks behind these US methods review carefully how they truly feel about applying these methods as it is clear it is a tremendously dark one. I can understand the view of some that perhaps some folks are so far gone, they appear to have no soul at all. It is very hard for me to accept this may be the case. Perhaps I am exposing another of my naive notions here too.