Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Harley]

From CNN:

Adding to the intrigue, ABC News reported that the dramatic left turn was preprogrammed into the plane's navigation computer. It's a task that would have required extensive piloting experience.

Preprogrammed in order to make a left turn, change altitude, and head in a new direction? What a crock of ****!

Tell me (CNN/ABC), what if a plane is approaching it's destination and the pilot gets a call that he has to divert to another field because his destination field has just closed for some reason or emergency? Does he radio back and say "I can't do that because it's not preprogrammed into the Flight Computer"?

The A/C Commander has full control of his A/C. He can go up, down, fast, slow, and in any direction he wishes. That's why he's called The Pilot.

I don't know where CNN, ABC, FOX, or the rest of these mainstream morons get their so-called experts from, but I gotta say that most of the stories that I've heard being propagated by these guys are alot crazier than I've been hearing from the conspiracy theorists.

Hey maybe the Honey Pot overflowed, contaminated the fluid in the Landing Light reservoir, which then started an electrical fire?

Wait for it!

[Elainie]

We have Nancy L. saying it was planet X too.

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/15mr2014.htm

[Elainie]

Anti-terror expert Dr Sally Leivesley, a former Home Office official, believes the speed, altitude and direction of the aircraft could have been changed by sending radio signals from a device.

She said: “It might well be the world’s first cyber hijack. There appears to be an element of planning from someone with a very sophisticated systems ­engineering understanding.”


I am sure they are scrambling to come up with answers as it's been what 10 days.

[Buck]

Maybe we are missing the forest for the trees.

There is a lot of speculation that this event cannot possibly be state sponsored, because it casts the superpowers and their intelligence apparatus as embarrassingly inept.

Maybe we should consider what is is the upside to a global event that unfolds in real-time, attracting massive, intensely emotional energy. What would be the upside to creating an event that sends a very clear message; "We didn't want to admit it, but the truth is, not even the combined might and the reach of all of the various superpowers- and all their surveillance and military expertise, can keep us safe from this threat. These forces are clearly formidable enemy, they have no morals, no ethical reservations about how low they will stoop in order to take over the world."

And with all of the world's attention focused on this compelling mystery- imagine the global psychic/emotional reaction if this 777 suddenly re-appears- heading for one of the major landmark, laden with some terrible payload. It's like the best action adventure epic disaster - horror story EVER written, AND it is happening right in front of your eyes.

All the citizens of every nation on earth would would be begging the PTB to keep us safe. We would be falling all over ourselves to offer up our Snowdens and Mannings, signing away our dwindling freedoms without hesitation-
anything to keep the lid bolted on.


plausible deniability for the hijacking; (for example;- pipe was laid long in advance of the event to implicate the captain)

no JSOC /CIA fingerprints on the event

no Chinese fingerprints, Isreali, nor Russian,etc.

A "straw man" organization will be implicated in the attack. They will be portrayed as a significant threat to national security.

massive amounts of money will be diverted to pay upgrades to all security devices/ security weaknesses and lack of coordination of various services will compel the voters to block

and we will be rendered sleeping sheep, again.

textbook psy-ops.

[Buck]

My apologies for jumping on and stating the obvious for everyone who has been contributing to this thread from the outset. I should be more respectful of the thread. I would remove this but it occurs to me it may serve as a sort of "control" session-
or mods, feel free to remove- whatever serves best is fine by me

Posted by Buck (here)
Maybe we are missing the forest for the trees.

There is a lot of speculation that this event cannot possibly be state sponsored, because it casts the superpowers and their intelligence apparatus as embarrassingly inept.

...

textbook psy-ops.

[Atlas]

In the last 24 hours, the Prime Minister has spoken to the Prime Minister of Bangladesh, the President of Turkmenistan, the President of Kazakhstan and Prime Minister of India. At 2pm today, the Foreign Ministry of Malaysia briefed representatives from 22 countries, including those along the northern and southern search corridors, as well other countries that may be able to help. These include Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and Australia.

Malaysian officials are requesting support from these countries – as well as others. This support includes general satellite data, radar playback – both primary and secondary – provisions for ground, sea and aerial search, and assets as appropriate. We are currently discussing with all partners how best to deploy assets along the two search corridors. At this stage, both the northern and southern corridors are being treated with equal importance.

We are asking countries that have satellite assets, including the US, China and France amongst others, to provide further satellite data. And we are contacting additional countries who may be able to contribute specific assets relevant to the search and rescue operation. Surveillance aircraft are required, and maritime vessels are needed, particularly for the southern corridor.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...ement-1.516168

[Atlas]

No hazardous cargo, just tonnes of mangosteens on flight MH370, says airline CEO



Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 was transporting 3-4 tonnes of mangosteens to China, said the airline's group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya today. Speaking at the latest press conference on the missing MAS flight MH370, Ahmad Jauhari added that there was no hazardous cargo on board the aircraft. - March 17, 2014.

[Agape]

Posted by buares (here)
In the last 24 hours, the Prime Minister has spoken to the Prime Minister of Bangladesh, the President of Turkmenistan, the President of Kazakhstan and Prime Minister of India. At 2pm today, the Foreign Ministry of Malaysia briefed representatives from 22 countries, including those along the northern and southern search corridors, as well other countries that may be able to help. These include Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia and Australia.

Malaysian officials are requesting support from these countries – as well as others. This support includes general satellite data, radar playback – both primary and secondary – provisions for ground, sea and aerial search, and assets as appropriate. We are currently discussing with all partners how best to deploy assets along the two search corridors. At this stage, both the northern and southern corridors are being treated with equal importance.

We are asking countries that have satellite assets, including the US, China and France amongst others, to provide further satellite data. And we are contacting additional countries who may be able to contribute specific assets relevant to the search and rescue operation. Surveillance aircraft are required, and maritime vessels are needed, particularly for the southern corridor.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...ement-1.516168

What about Philippines, are they engaged in the search ? They should have carried on with the search using navigational logic ,

the radar data maybe inaccurate , and there's no confirmation they come from this particular craft !!!! They have thousands of other Boeings showing similar signal on those radars , sending them on 180 degree arc search around the globe , what are these people doing ? Suspecting the captain ? Can't they just think normally ?

It's difficult anyway but they can't be further than in the seas nearby , what on Earth would they do in Pakistan ?

Their radar logic is about as good as their shamans .


Aaaaaaaaaa:

[Atlas]

Posted by Chua Chin Hon, from the New Straits Times
The new north-south corridors' maps issued by Malaysia just marginally better than the first

[Agape]

Posted by buares (here)
No hazardous cargo, just tonnes of mangosteens on flight MH370, says airline CEO



Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 was transporting 3-4 tonnes of mangosteens to China, said the airline's group chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya today. Speaking at the latest press conference on the missing MAS flight MH370, Ahmad Jauhari added that there was no hazardous cargo on board the aircraft. - March 17, 2014.

I don't know mangosteens a lot . But I saw little mango-trees singing to me ..in dream .. to yesterday ... high tune . So I think it's correct .

[Atlas]

Aiport security CCTV shows pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot Fariq Hamid:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=JE4MbiIGdZ4

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A tribute to Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vi8DIaqBnW4

[chocolate]

I am adding to the collection of data:


Barren Island volcano (active) http://www.volcanodiscovery.com/barren_island.html

Attachment 25274
in Andaman Sea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_Sea

and an update:
Attachment 25275

Edited to add:
By chance stumbled upon this yesterday: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post722565

~~~

What if we have this all wrong, and the situation was/is a 'prevention' rather than an 'intervention'...
Or is it just my wishful thinking, and my still firm belief in the true positive nature of the human race?

The plane will not reappear carrying a nuclear weapon to anyone's territory. I am sure of that.
But the weapon could have been on the plane that 'disappeared', and of a different nature...

~~~

I have come to realize sometimes conspiracy thinking comes in the way of the common sense way of thinking.
But I can be wrong, so it is up to everyone to make his own conclusions.

~~~

Have you read the last book from Dan Brown?
http://www.danbrown.com/

[Atlas]

Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says that Kazakhstan joined the search Monday in the farthest northwest section of the search area. Earlier Monday, Australia said was taking the lead in searching over the southern Indian Ocean.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...earch-1.518016

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by ERK (here)
We have Nancy L. saying it was planet X too.

http://www.zetatalk.com/ning/15mr2014.htm

She needs to apply for a spot in the Ancient Alien Series or see if MSNBC will hire her....

If this jet doesn't show up "somewhere", say, within the next week or two, I may actually start considering their original claim, that it evaporated.

[ponda]

Interesting theory from this blog

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/po...ar-using-sia68

Did Malaysian Airlines 370 disappear using SIA68 (another 777)?

Monday, March 17, 2014 - 12:01 AM EST

By: Keith Ledgerwood


As the search for missing flight Malaysian Airlines flight 370 drags on into the 10th day, so many questions continue to remain unanswered about how and why the airliner could have disappeared while seemingly under the control of a skilled pilot intent on making it invisible. With satellite pings showing where the plane could be after more than seven hours of flight, speculation has arisen that the plane could be on the ground anywhere along a path from northern Thailand to the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.

The major roadblock to this theory has been the insistence from India and Pakistan that their radar network showed no such unidentified aircraft entering or traversing their airspace. It would seem highly unlikely given such information that a Boeing 777 could indeed slip through undetected.

As a hobby pilot and aviation enthusiast, a theory began to form in my own mind on this 10th day as all of the latest information began to trickle in slowly through media outlets globally.

After being unable to escape the idea that it may have happened, I began to do some analysis and research and what I discovered was very troubling to me!

Starting with a set of facts that have been made available publically and verified over the past few days, I first plotted MH370’s course onto an aviation IFR map which shows the airways and waypoints used to navigate the skies. I plotted the point where it stopped transmitting ADS-B information at 1621UTC. I then plotted the Malaysian military radar track from that point towards “VAMPI”, “GIVAL”, and then onward toward “IGREX” on P628 ending with where the plane should be at 1715UTC when military radar lost contact.

That chart looks like this:


Nothing profound there… but then I looked to see what other planes were in the air at 1715UTC and I looked to see exactly where they were positioned in the sky and where they were flying. The picture started to develop when I discovered that another Boeing 777 was en-route from Singapore over the Andaman Sea.



I investigated further and plotted the exact coordinates of Singapore Airlines flight number 68’s location at 1715UTC onto the aviation map. I quickly realized that SIA68 was in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time. Moreover, SIA68 was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.



It became apparent as I inspected SIA68’s flight path history that MH370 had maneuvered itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 17:00UTC over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68. All the pieces of my theory had been fitting together with the facts that have been publically released and I began to feel a little uneasy.

Singapore Airlines Flight 68 proceeded across the Andaman Sea into the Bay of Bengal and finally into India’s airspace. From there it appears to have proceeded across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and finally Turkmenistan before proceeding onward across Europe to its final destination of Barcelona, Spain.

This map depicts the approximate flight path of SIA flight 68 on that particular day. Additional detail will be required from each countries aviation authorities to establish exact particulars of the route.



So by now, you may have caught on or you may be scratching your head and wondering if I’ve gone insane! How does SIA68 have anything to do with MH370 disappearing? Remember the one challenge that is currently making everyone doubt that MH370 actually flew to Turkmenistan, Iran, China, or Kyrgyzstan? That challenge is the thought that MH370 couldn’t make it through several key airspaces such as India or Afghanistan without being detected by the military.

It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying “dark” without transponder / ADS-B output, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.

Wouldn’t the SIA68 flight have detected MH370? NO! The Boeing 777 utilizes a TCAS system for traffic avoidance; the system would ordinarily provide alerts and visualization to pilots if another airplane was too close. However that system only operates by receiving the transponder information from other planes and displaying it for the pilot. If MH370 was flying without the transponder, it would have been invisible to SIA68.

In addition, the TCAS system onboard MH370 would have enabled the pilot(s) to easily locate and approach SIA68 over the Straits of Malacca as they appeared to have done. The system would have shown them the flight’s direction of travel and the altitude it was traveling which would have enabled them to perfectly time an intercept right behind the other Boeing 777. Here is a picture of a TCAS system onboard a 777.



How does this solve the mystery??? We know MH370 didn’t fly to Spain! Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan it would have been free to break off from the shadow of SIA68 and could have then flown a path to it’s final landing site. There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan. Each of these final locations would match up almost perfectly with the 7.5 hours of total flight time and trailing SIA68. In addition, these locations are all possibilities that are on the “ARC” and fit with the data provided by Inmarsat from the SATCOM’s last known ping at 00:11UTC.

There are too many oddities in this whole story that don’t make sense if this theory isn’t the answer in my opinion. Why did MH370 fly a seemingly haphazard route and suddenly start heading northwest towards the Andaman Islands on P628? If not for this reason, it seems like a rather odd maneuver. The timing and evasive actions seem deliberate. Someone went through great lengths to attempt to become stealthy and disable ACARS, transponder/ADS-B (even though SATCOM to Inmarsat was left powered).

After looking at all the details, it is my opinion that MH370 snuck out of the Bay of Bengal using SIA68 as the perfect cover. It entered radar coverage already in the radar shadow of the other 777, stayed there throughout coverage, and then exited SIA68’s shadow and then most likely landed in one of several land locations north of India and Afghanistan.

Sources: SkyVector.com, FlightRadar24.com, FlightAware.com, CNN.com, Reuters.com.

-Keith L.

[Atlas]

Interesting theory by hobby pilot and aviation enthusiast Keith Ledgerwood:

"I looked to see what other planes were in the air at 1715UTC and I looked to see exactly where they were positioned in the sky and where they were flying. I discovered that another Boeing 777 was en-route from Singapore over the Andaman Sea.

I investigated further and plotted the exact coordinates of Singapore Airlines flight number 68’s location at 1715UTC onto the aviation map. I quickly realized that SIA68 was in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time. Moreover, SIA68 was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.



It became apparent as I inspected SIA68’s flight path history that MH370 had maneuvered itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 17:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68. Singapore Airlines Flight 68 proceeded across the Andaman Sea into the Bay of Bengal and finally into India’s airspace. From there it appears to have proceeded across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and finally Turkmenistan before proceeding onward across Europe to its final destination of Barcelona, Spain.


(This map depicts the approximate flight path of SIA flight 68 on that particular day. Additional detail will be required from each countries aviation authorities to establish exact particulars of the route)

So by now, you may have caught on or you may be scratching your head and wondering if I’ve gone insane! How does SIA68 have anything to do with MH370 disappearing? Remember the one challenge that is currently making everyone doubt that MH370 actually flew to Turkmenistan, Iran, China, or Kyrgyzstan? That challenge is the thought that MH370 couldn’t make it through several key airspaces such as India or Afghanistan without being detected by the military.

It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying “dark” without transponder / ADS-B output, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.

Wouldn’t the SIA68 flight have detected MH370? NO! The Boeing 777 utilizes a TCAS system for traffic avoidance; the system would ordinarily provide alerts and visualization to pilots if another airplane was too close. However that system only operates by receiving the transponder information from other planes and displaying it for the pilot. If MH370 was flying without the transponder, it would have been invisible to SIA68.

In addition, the TCAS system onboard MH370 would have enabled the pilot(s) to easily locate and approach SIA68 over the Straits of Malacca as they appeared to have done. The system would have shown them the flight’s direction of travel and the altitude it was traveling which would have enabled them to perfectly time an intercept right behind the other Boeing 777. Here is a picture of a TCAS system onboard a 777.



Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan it would have been free to break off from the shadow of SIA68 and could have then flown a path to it’s final landing site. There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan. Each of these final locations would match up almost perfectly with the 7.5 hours of total flight time and trailing SIA68. In addition, these locations are all possibilities that are on the “ARC” and fit with the data provided by Inmarsat from the SATCOM’s last known ping at 00:11UTC.

After looking at all the details, it is my opinion that MH370 snuck out of the Bay of Bengal using SIA68 as the perfect cover. It entered radar coverage already in the radar shadow of the other 777, stayed there throughout coverage, and then exited SIA68’s shadow and then most likely landed in one of several land locations north of India and Afghanistan."

KeithLCincy@gmail.com

EDIT:

Thanks ponda. I was following the same lead.

[Operator]

I think that the idea to hijack a plane for later use is not realistic ...

You have to land it, hide it, refuel it, get it back in the air and fly it unseen to the place where you are going to use it ...
It is much easier to 'take' an airliner at the moment you need it in close proximity of your target.

If it was about not letting some passengers reach their destination it would have been much easier to shoot it out of
the air and make it look like an accident.

If it was about abducting some of the passengers to interrogate them it would be much easier to do so on the ground
before they board the plane. Besides they still have to get rid of the plane to wipe their tracks. They would have
staged a fake crash by now.

I think they are not truthful about the cargo ... a few tonnes of mangosteen ? Seems ridiculous to me. I am on an
island and everything needs to be imported here. Airfares for cargo are steep and if in anyway possible heavy stuff
or bulk will be transported by boat. Maybe it's wild speculation on my part but what about all that so called hidden
gold in Indonesia (close by to Malaysia) being transported to China (which is soaking up as much gold as possible).
Just a thought that at least stays close to logic ...

[Agape]

Posted by buares (here)
Malaysian Defense Minister Hishammuddin Hussein says that Kazakhstan joined the search Monday in the farthest northwest section of the search area. Earlier Monday, Australia said was taking the lead in searching over the southern Indian Ocean.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...earch-1.518016

I think they used to say 'morituri te salutant' ...to this assembly of friends ...

see you right there captain ...

we're taking the mangosteens out of the Solar System ... ( sorry Malaysia )

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1205wnS3Tzs

[Gardener]

Agape--->we're taking the mangosteens out of the Solar System ... ( sorry Malaysia )

This might be the closest approximation of the truth, in mankinds best interests.

[Atlas]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Well as I said in a post last night Bob let slip the plane was parked up in Hanoi.

When asked whether the missing jet of Malaysian Airlines had enter Vietnam's airspace or not, the Vietnamese prime minister Nguyen Tan Dung said, up to now, there has been no information on the entering of the jet into his country's airspace.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/wo..._133193178.htm