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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by seeker1972 (here)
    Hello Agape. Sounds like you are leaning towards the notion that we will all evolve together and help each other to rise back up? Sort of like our destinies are all tied together? Or do you think that it can be an individual process for each of us to choose or not choose, resulting it two people with future paths that completely diverge? In other words, could a husband one day find himself waking up to a new reality on a 4d earth while his wife (consciously or unconsciously) chooses to stay in 3rd D and ends up cycling through another age separately?

    I have read things that make it sound like both avenues are potentially possible, just was curious to see what you think about that.

    An important subject right now, no doubt.

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    Have no doubts that we are all bound together .. in this process of 'cosmic evolution', how could it ever be otherwise . Consciousness is a term very relative to our individual existence , more so to existence of civilisation as a whole ...
    yet, we are partaking of both , not all of us the same way , the same time .. but lets think we're slowly, heading forwards .

    What many people experience as 'truth' about their personality, consciousness , during their life time is limited to their individual perception of reality - no matter how expansive or solid they see the process .

    As Barry /SpiritWolf just posted in his thread ... song called ''If you saw through my eyes..'' ..
    I'd definitely wish that many more people had a glimpse at least , to the relativity , impermanence and inter-connectedness of our self-perceptions and sense of solidity and integrity and whatever we claim to be 'the truth' .

    When we learn language ( or two ) as children from our mothers, it's the first 'programming' we receive . It has a vocabulary and grammar that's been evolving from its older forms for thousands of years, together with human society .. and everything we are able to express depends on summa of knowables and grammar rules contained in the 'language program' .
    If you learn second, third, fourth language in your life .. long enough , or relocate and adopt other languages as your own .. you understand how they are programs , each unique in their grasping and inner structure and feelings to them .

    Who is the One who can see this all, the observer to the process ?

    It's your pure mind , beyond any language programming . I remember ( though perhaps I'm not supposed to ..) I'd have two minds as a young toddler , one that responded to others requests and demands and learn their ways,
    and other that would have mature opinion , beyond whatever it was told and taught . The 'other mind' could hardly be shared , except for a moments. It was /is completely non verbal . I would not say in 'what language' it operated because it's completely irrelevant and insubstantial to itself .

    I suppose we all have it . We've always 'been it' , been One . After all, we are part of one family of beings who started as few ...

    evolved to 7 billions almost which is amazing and hard to understand but it's obviously happened .

    So we are bound to understand each other .. and evolve together .. more as the time progresses because we get even less chance to evolve separately , as individuals than it was in past when people lived scattered over vast and empty territories and were much more firm , in certain stages .. in their individual evolution.

    As civilisation -- we totally depend on each other -- and it can feel even frightening because there are so many unknowns in the game .

    Yes, everyone is unique , and the way they experience their evolution during one life time too is unique ..

    I hear this very often .. people marry each other as young couple, almost children .. and it's great love .. they're fitting the best in the world ... after 10 or 20 years or sometimes much less .. each passes through his own inner process of individualisation differently and they find themselves 'worlds apart' and start blaming each other for that ..
    the blame is not right there, of course .

    People should understand they're being friends to each other, and we all need friends, virtuous friends . Yes we can have friends whom we support but we need friends who are stronger than we are, and supportive to us at the same time .. and friends are allowed 'to come and go' . They're not forced ... they are not bound to be there forever . They have a role .. to fulfil...

    otherwise the whole chain of human civilisations breaks to many pieces ,
    and no single individual is destined to uphold the chains hanging faithfully on them forever . It's often looking quite like that .. but it's not right, it should not be that way ..

    Sometimes , I had this beautiful idea... WHAT IF .. all people that are on the planet now would stretch hands and stand in the circle and hold hands .. would they be able to do that ..

    In Tibetan Buddism there's one beautiful term for what you call 'teacher' or 'guru' in Sanskrit and that is :'gewai shenyen' ( geshe - in short ) which exactly translates as 'virtuous friend' .
    It's an important understanding to me that anyone to teach you something substantial in life have to come around as friends .. first of all ..and they need to have some better set of virtues .

    Whether he/she is your wife or husband, teacher , student , friend of any sort , my virtues depend on their virtues , and vice versa.

    If we don't learn good things from each other ... we remain stuck. We can feel high as individuals but this civilisation gets nowhere ...


    These are two truth .. they call it 'absolute and relative ' truths . The absolute truth is 'we are always but One' . The relative truth is .. that we have to continue learning from each other and our survival and form of evolution depend on it ...


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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    My belief is that true ascension can only come with death. I voted for the gut feeling thing. Because that is all we really have.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by Zampano (here)
    Mr. Gripreaper I see what you did there ;-)

    Everything is here-and great things are happening if you allow it.
    One of my favourite quotes ...

    Quote "The State of Grace already exists. It always has. Yet most humans are blinded to it by the incessant machinations of the rational thought processes that they worship."
    .................

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    Quote Posted by Sidney (here)
    My belief is that true ascension can only come with death. I voted for the gut feeling thing. Because that is all we really have.
    Your consciousness has been ascending since birth, your deep subconscious has been ascending for lives ... just my 2 cents
    When you are one step ahead of the crowd, you are a genius.
    Two steps ahead, and you are deemed a crackpot.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by InTheBackground (here)
    I voted yes . . . and I hesitated as to whether I should elaborate or not, because I don't have "facts" that scientists and logical-minded, left-brained people would consider factual. But, this does go beyond intuition, so perhaps it's okay to share. Bear with me, I am more comfortable most often remaining quiet and "in the background." :-)

    What I do have are the things that my Guide has chosen to tell me directly.

    Put me in the Dolores Cannon & Inelia Benz camp. There are no dates because the timelines are fluid. There are only markers and choices. What will (likely, at this late hour) happen has to do with the vibration/frequency of every single person on this planet. Everyone needs to deal with their inner fears and doubts and anger and etc and get really clear on what they are choosing with their energy, every day, every hour. Getting to a place of peace and joy in your life, no matter what happens in the world, is important. Learning to be fluid, be flexible, stay in the flow. Be kind, to yourself, and to others. Love. I am told there will be more than one transition, what is referred to as ascension to a higher dimensional Earth. We are human -- how many times can you get a lot of people to agree on the same thing at the same time? ::smiles:: But we all have the same choices and decisions to make. Choose wisely. Love one another. Not all will make it. An awful lot of us are too focused on the wrong things. But we all have the same opportunity to grow as humans, to grow as the human race. I'm also told the ones of the Light who don't make it through the earthly/human chaos, their spirit energies will not be left behind to remain in the karmic cycle of this 3d Earth. They will have help.

    I realize many people who don't communicate directly with their Guides/Helpers will think this is just a bunch of hooey. And it isn't anything new. Others are receiving the same kind of information. I just thought I would share, at long last, for whatever it's worth to you.
    InTheBackground

    I have also received this information, I am unsure of the end results but it has been told that she has made her choice and these souls will remain with her. She is only able to save a set amount of souls these souls will move forward as we do.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Someone posted this link the other day and I just finished reading all the info, and looking at the drawing in the chambers of the Ancient Arrow archaeological site.
    I'm reading the poems from "Wingmakers" with Dr. Neruda jr. who is a photographic memory and linguist translator that is in the Ancient Arrow site. Amazing information in the poems about it/ascension, and the time we are at now. The Central Race of the Creator left 24 chambers of information on it. There are 6 more sites like it and it's said to have the weapon to repell the Animus, which sent a probe in 2011 to this earth. The Animus are Lucifer's animal/droid creation, and they want a "soul carrier/container" to go to tamper with DNA remove the soul. The Wingmakers were here in 8th century BC, and they spoke about the Animus return.

    www.wingmakers.com/neruda1.html

    Enjoy.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
    Quote Posted by Zampano (here)
    Mr. Gripreaper I see what you did there ;-)

    Everything is here-and great things are happening if you allow it.
    One of my favourite quotes ...

    Quote "The State of Grace already exists. It always has. Yet most humans are blinded to it by the incessant machinations of the rational thought processes that they worship."
    .................

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    Quote Posted by Sidney (here)
    My belief is that true ascension can only come with death. I voted for the gut feeling thing. Because that is all we really have.
    Your consciousness has been ascending since birth, your deep subconscious has been ascending for lives ... just my 2 cents
    I suppose that my individual definition of ascension means, that my soul will permanently travel to another dimension, anything other than 3rd density. And that permanence is the key to my definition. So we can evolve many many different times, and levels along the way, but that evolution to higher spiritual graces, to me is not the same as ascension.

    I also suppose there is a possibility that at death, a decention might occur, AKA Hell.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    There currently are 19 members who voted "Yes, I have actual facts to base my opinion on."

    Thus far I have seen members talk about how they can feel ascension/superconciousness from within, how everybody is on a different individual path, and how we need to appreciate changes in time and space based on creating our own reality.

    Although I think these things are important, I think that these beliefs are already heavily propegated on Avalon.

    I am very interested in those 19 members displaying their so called "facts" in which they base their opinions of. Is there something that some of you don't want to say or are simply holding back? Yes, we collectively create our own reality, but there are also external factors that we have no control over (i.e. energy wave coming from the center of the universe).

    I'm still waiting to see these so called "facts"
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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    I for one did not vote. I do not agree with either of the choices presented, especially as regards to a lack of clarification as to what the OP means by ascention/superconsciousness.

    I agree that things are changing, but IMO it is premature to say that something that is potential is therefore inevitable.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    I am happy with this poll so far - even though I am surprised how many themselves having substantial facts to base their YES-answer upon - I was frankly expecting NO to prevail 90% to 10%. I also would love to see more of these claimed facts presented. I do accept personal knowledge what few have presented here as being facts - I myself know somethings from personal experience that I cannot produce as a fact to another human being. At least in some cases I see it as carrying actual substance whereas reading it from somewhere carrying next to none.

    I would really love to see some facts that are not of personal experience presented here. Facts that someone else can check and verify. I have a gut feeling that significant percentage of the YES-answers are actually gut feelings or opinions.

    Thank you all for participating so far, carry on!

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    No, I don't pretend that I know. However, I am aware that at the moment we are going through massive changes, both in the internal and external world. It will only get more intense as the years pass and I have been told that in the decades to come there will be massive shifts in the society, I assume and hope that they are also related to the shift in consciousness. Will Earth turn into a paradise in my lifetime? I certainly hope so, but at the moment all I can is do to expand my own awareness and by doing that I will impact other people in the world positively.
    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    I am happy with this poll so far - even though I am surprised how many themselves having substantial facts to base their YES-answer upon - I was frankly expecting NO to prevail 90% to 10%. I also would love to see more of these claimed facts presented. I do accept personal knowledge what few have presented here as being facts - I myself know somethings from personal experience that I cannot produce as a fact to another human being. At least in some cases I see it as carrying actual substance whereas reading it from somewhere carrying next to none.

    I would really love to see some facts that are not of personal experience presented here. Facts that someone else can check and verify. I have a gut feeling that significant percentage of the YES-answers are actually gut feelings or opinions.

    Thank you all for participating so far, carry on!

    UT

    UT , I'm myself very curious about results of this poll . It's interesting one for me as an observer of events .. but I don't wish to use your thread for lengthy discussion , I thought it was meant honestly .. a poll ,
    to find out how many people 'feel they know.. etc ' , whether we can agree on terms or not ,
    and how many people 'just heard about it' .

    If you wish the poll remain impartial , I think it would be wise not to press the iron of misunderstanding to the white canvas of human souls who just don't know ,
    but agree to take part in the poll , and are part of its own answer ..

    in fact .. speaking of FACTS : if the answer would be known there'd be no poll , and no question.

    Second FACT commonly accepted by todays science is one or another form of human evolution, even THAT is not a FACT ( unless you want to be the same arrogant as some of them and throw fossils around and yell : THESE ARE FACTS !!!! ) , it's a HYPOTHESIS.

    Nevertheless ..if you have studied history , anthropology , biology to some decent degree ( not referring to your academic degrees but depth of interest here ) you've probably noticed that the physiognomy , psyche , mentality, shape of human society and consciousness of individuals and mankind change shape and evolve ,
    in more than one way , and more than one 'time-line' .
    Even if you check time-span of human civilisation on Earth AS WE KNOW IT TODAY, you will be walking through prehistory ... to faraway future ,
    from forgotten tribes in heart of jungle to NASA space labs .. and every part of human history in between ,
    with no well defined borders, with returners to the trees and 'quantum leaps' of consciousness , from the desert straight to the academy ,
    you will find millions of people with brains so retrograde that they're barely able to survive on their own.. and leaders of nations on the other end .. and everything in between .

    It may seem slightly confusing but so is the evolution of consciousness , and there's no 'commonly accepted' definition of "CONSCIOUSNESS' in Western science that would satisfy someone asking for 'scientifically provable facts' .

    Still we all accept Consciousness as a 'status quo' , and those who have done their practical home work , may also understand how Consciousness is both relative to its 'carrier' , the physical vessel , and impermanent , inter-depedent on others 'facts' and most importantly , their ability to understand ( those facts ) .

    It's also questionable whether someone 'sans personal experience' is competent to discuss matters of consciousness and evolution,
    because by the nature of our existence ..we are conscious part of .. it's the faculty of consciousness present and experienced in both facts and ignorance of them


    I understand that your question /poll is more specific to certain 'trends' or 'proclamations' of 'the day' ( though those prophecies always existed since human history is remembered ) and my own understanding here is more general ,

    and if I am too strict and faithful to what many here believe , such as 'is there any immediate ascension of consciousness coming in our way ' , I'd have to say no though I voted yes for the observable fact that people are evolving ..


    Hope I've put it nicely

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Are you any different than you were? If not, who's fault is that?

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    A 'bridge' between the void/the one/superconciousness (add your own 'term') and the physical '3d' body/mind is needed to make it a little 'easier' for the majority to experience what has always been.
    That link or bridge has been disabled in our physical mind/DNA somehow (or else we would resonate at a higher 'frequency' already). How to reactivate or enhance that connection is the key to 'waking' up the majority. I'm sure somewhere a 'device' is available to enable such a link (don't ask me where ... or else I'd have one ... make the item available to all ... then everyone would have one). Once the mind had learned how to connect to source direct, the 'device' would not be needed anymore.
    Just a thought about accessing higher levels, empowering the human race and thus diminishing the power of 'the controllers'.
    Sure, some people here can feel the presence of the 'one'/higher self without help, but the 99.9999999999% don't have a clue what any of us here are talking about much less accessing higher levels of 'being'.

    Ohhh err Yes, the answer to the question posed.. we are all a product of the 'one' therefore we are part of the superconcoiusness already.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    You want proof, why not give a more left brain, specific factual examples. You asked so nicely.

    If I were to use the word evolution or maturity instead of ascension and then say offer proof, I would say that because we are really opening doors to new ideas (I think) and asking questions like how the universe began? who are we? what is consciousness? are we alone? I say yes there is a step toward ascension that has already occurred. Truths more clear. More people admit to believing in ghosts, angels, aliens, something beyond, then ever before. And both sightings and documentation such as photos are showing up more so by magnitudes. Even this forum shows us connecting to like minds and working together dispite our diverse thinking and being from different countries. Especially when it counts like the missing Malaysia flight. Here it seems that most peoples hearts are in the right place. So I offer the forum as proof.

    I think if we had world peace I would say that is the ultimate proof of a more collective ascension. A ways to go yet.
    My problem is that personal and global ascension are not separate things but the same, for as one looks to new directions, others follow. I to see this as a process that has been going on for some time yet leaps and bounds are being made now more so than before. Personally I felt jumps from 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2013 seems to have small leaps.

    If the remote viewers find that missing plane, is that the proof you seek? Not the best example because they are not of like minds, but let's say that one group or that one person nails it right on. Is that the proof you mean?

    I've seen that there are certain abilities linked to levels of dimensions or awareness/ascension but I am not sure this is proof. Telepathy is being reported as a more common occurrence. Proof? Perhaps.
    I asked for UFOs to appear and days later I sight 3. My Avatar is proof. Is this proof?

    Some of us seemed to have had an upgrade and to me things got a lot easier and I already make crazy claims to be a psychic genius, yes a long time ago when I was younger. I actually am all about the doing. I have also worked hard to develop some abilities. I have stopped several droughts, in the southwest and including the big one several years ago in the US. (a couple witnesses) and one last year locally, I posted in advance (lightworkers.org actually) that I was ending a drought. And then did so. Is this what you mean by proof? Dispite this I don't feel any more ascended than I did before. An increase in abilities perhaps will led to a greater maturity.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    What constitutes a fact?

    It is claimed that a leap in consciousness is expected. One immediately wonders is there historical precursor of similar events.

    Some proof perhaps is referred to in the following - in a nutshell implying that in history humankind has experienced sudden leaps in consciousness due to DNA-copying, resulting in huge expansion in cognitive capabilities in relatively short period of time instead of millenia. That basically could be thought of as a precursor to what might once again happen. It is offcourse speculative whether there is a universal impulse for this DNA-copying to take place or was it just a happy coincidence?

    This is the type of fact I am willing to consider to speak on behalf continuing human evolution, however it is not a fact about anything coming our way in the future. A study about these fast beneficial mutations happening on regular intervals would be on those lines. As I haven´t seen that, I answered No. Circumstantial evidence so far I suppose.

    Fact:
    Charrier et al and Dennis et al. have produced studies of which it is written in summary that:

    "This innovation couldn't have happened without that incomplete duplication," Eichler said. "Our data suggest a mechanism where incomplete duplication of this gene created a novel function 'at birth'."

    and

    "If this gene duplication did indeed produce an immediate effect during evolution as Eichler and Polleux suspect, they expect there must have been a fascinating period in human history characterized by "huge variation" in human cognition and behavior. SRGAP2 and other human-specific gene duplicates might also help to explain the big differences between humans and other primates, despite few apparent differences in our genome sequences."

    also

    "Interestingly, the novel gene appears to have arisen just as the fossil record shows a transition from human's extinct Australopithecus ancestors to the genus Homo (as in Homo sapiens), which led to modern humans. That's also when the brains of our ancestors began to expand and when dramatic changes in cognitive abilities are likely to have emerged."

    Link:
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-egd042712.php

    UT
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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by Fairy Friend (here)
    I to see this as a process that has been going on for some time yet leaps and bounds are being made now more so than before. Personally I felt jumps from 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2013 seems to have small leaps.
    Funny that you should say that, because in the year 2008 I started to slightly awaken when I was deeply depressed. After that in the year 2010 a new me was born and I started to see through the veil and "remember". 2012 was a big year too, even though the end of it was a very deep disappointment for me. Then 2013, last year was mostly quite hard for me and not much seemed to happen. This year seems to be very promising again, I wonder what is it with those even years/numbers?
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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Hmmm I actually may not be using the word ascend in the same context as others. I still go with yes. The changes required in the DNA were made indeed long ago and selected for. Perhaps ascension has been happened ever since. Evolution from fire to wheel to touching the moon. But the leap, or big ascension I think is Not a physical change in brain size or capabilities.

    Indeed the domestic cat is the next on my list to take an evolutionary step. Polydactyl hands are new variants that allow the cat to pick up prey with one hand instead of two. This will increase it's ability to survive and catch prey but also allows multitasking and therefor farther brain development. The cat is upgrading it's intelligence. It doesn't mean it's ascending. But it might.

    Humans, may not appear to be bottlenecking or under selective pressure yet the dog arises as a species with many breeds in but 20-40,000 years. We are changing and preselecting sperm and egg donors so maybe we do have some selective pressure. An ever changing environment as well. Have we moved beyond Homo Sapiens? If that is what you mean then not sure, but we have seen a lot of change in humans even in the last 10,000 years.
    I think it's more about Why are we here? And who are we? And where did we come from? Not we as in the human body's evolution but the spirit's evolution. So far perhaps our track record is not so good with other intelligent species.
    The shift is our collective wills and the understanding that we can consciously alter our physical world. No DNA changes required. To me it's more like a switch went on the was always there. Or seeing through the veil. Reconnecting with the source which is the same as reconnecting with yourself.
    Australopithecus ancestors may have been more ascended than us. More intune and happier than us. I'm not sure we are spiritually more evolved than Australopithecus. I'm not sure I would say we have spiritually evolved recently but I feel changed. Many cannot define it and many don't need to, I want to understand what happened.

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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    I was thinking about this last night. I think the issue lies with the word "fact."

    We think of our 3D world as though it is made up of absolutes. What we can see, smell, touch, taste, hear, and *prove* is real. For the bulk of the western world at least, anything else must lie in the realm of imagination of wishful thinking or delusion. Mind playing tricks. Love is just physical chemistry, for instance. Wonderful chemistry, but still, just one body reacting to another body in a similar fashion. Some even doubt the existence of love other than in a familial way.

    So, what is fact? Fact is just a consensus agreement to believe the same thing. We say we can prove it because this equals that plus this plus that to the base root of bleep yadda yadda ad infinitum, but for most of us, even this is just an agreement that the equations the scientists have come up with truly mean what they think it does, because we will never work them out for ourselves. We just believe them at their word.

    The sky is blue, for instance. Everyone knows the sky is blue except for the color tinges that comes at dawn and dusk. But what if some of us told you the sky is blue but also has small white and silver and maybe even black sparkles? Especially down near the trees. Would you believe us if you don't see it for yourself? You might think we need our eyes checked. You might search for a scientific principle to explain it. :-)

    For the longest time, auras have been the stuff of nonsense and aura readers have been considered hoodwinkers. But I know someone who sees the full spectrum auras around people when she looks with that intent, and I can guarantee she is as normal and everyday as the teacher teaching your child, and she lives in and deals with everyday things, just like the rest of us. I and many others see the first layer, the energy body. Science is just now accepting that Kirlian photography might have something to it. Does that make the aura seers any less truthful? Should we apologize? :-)

    And then you have the Claircognizants. The Knowers. People who just know things, without ever being told, without any reason for knowing. Most would write their knowing off, saying, "You must have read about it or heard about it at some time."

    I could tell you everything that my guide has told me (it would take quite a while, I've been working with him for quite some time), but that won't make you believe it. It would be just another 1 minute clip from "The Ascension Chronicles, Season (what season are we on now, LOL?)." You don't have the long-term relationship with him. It would be worth nothing to you, and for me the "ascension" stuff is only a part of our working relationship. I do believe that everyone comes to their own knowing in their own time, when they are ready for it, when they are meant to. I thought I was ready for a lot of stuff fifteen years ago, but what I didn't realize was that there were things I needed to do within myself, beliefs about myself that I needed to overcome in order to get to the place I am now (and by no means do I feel I am at some exalted place, I am still a baby in these matters!).

    I do wish we could find another term other than Ascension, though. Somehow that seems to have been tainted over the years. To me, it's all about consciousness. Our consciousness as the human race, the next step on our path. And while it is a step on the path for humanity as a whole, when it comes right down to the nitty gritty it's about each of us doing what it takes to be more human (more compassionate, more kind, more empathetic, etc) and less concerned for ourselves. Humanity cannot take that next step unless we take responsibility for ourselves and what we project to others. There are other things going on here on Earth, terrible things, and that will continue, but the most important thing we can do is to leap over the fear, push our doubts into the background, forgive others for not finding strength enough to step beyond their programming of lies and illusion. We, each of us, need to become more. We need to follow the Golden Rule. We need to pay close attention where we spend our energy.

    I will leave you with a couple of teachings from my guide. Hope you don't mind. :-)

    "Humanity is a race of very plain and radiant beings. Plain, meaning simple and pure. Your light is not complex. It is not complicated. It is just very beautiful and bright. To put it in plain terms, you shine. That light is currently dimmed by stress and pain and anger and fear and negative behaviors of all kinds. It radiates in another way instead. It draws in negative beings and it feeds upon itself, becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most of all it feeds the negative beings on Earth and off. Earth has become a dinner party with all the worst kinds of guests. "

    "The Powers want humanity to cower in fear in certainty that all is lost. They are wrong. The human life force is very strong. So is humanity's capacity to love. It is humanity's most beautiful attribute, its most enduring strength."


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    Default Re: A poll - do you actually know that ascension, superconsciousness etc. is coming?

    Quote Posted by Ultima Thule (here)
    What constitutes a fact?

    It is claimed that a leap in consciousness is expected. One immediately wonders is there historical precursor of similar events.

    Some proof perhaps is referred to in the following - in a nutshell implying that in history humankind has experienced sudden leaps in consciousness due to DNA-copying, resulting in huge expansion in cognitive capabilities in relatively short period of time instead of millenia. That basically could be thought of as a precursor to what might once again happen. It is offcourse speculative whether there is a universal impulse for this DNA-copying to take place or was it just a happy coincidence?

    This is the type of fact I am willing to consider to speak on behalf continuing human evolution, however it is not a fact about anything coming our way in the future. A study about these fast beneficial mutations happening on regular intervals would be on those lines. As I haven´t seen that, I answered No. Circumstantial evidence so far I suppose.

    Fact:
    Charrier et al and Dennis et al. have produced studies of which it is written in summary that:

    "This innovation couldn't have happened without that incomplete duplication," Eichler said. "Our data suggest a mechanism where incomplete duplication of this gene created a novel function 'at birth'."

    and

    "If this gene duplication did indeed produce an immediate effect during evolution as Eichler and Polleux suspect, they expect there must have been a fascinating period in human history characterized by "huge variation" in human cognition and behavior. SRGAP2 and other human-specific gene duplicates might also help to explain the big differences between humans and other primates, despite few apparent differences in our genome sequences."

    also

    "Interestingly, the novel gene appears to have arisen just as the fossil record shows a transition from human's extinct Australopithecus ancestors to the genus Homo (as in Homo sapiens), which led to modern humans. That's also when the brains of our ancestors began to expand and when dramatic changes in cognitive abilities are likely to have emerged."

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    UT
    Unfortunately science doesn't deal well with understanding complex systems. The idea of a "fact" is a detail that while isolated in a certain set of events creates a single documentable result. This is the opposite of understanding a complex system where they synergy between the individual results equals different and more interesting outcomes than the sum of those individual results. Science is incredibly poor at dealing with complex systems, yet the human mind is quite good at being able to understand and see the subtle synergies happening -- therefore there are some people who might say within their understanding of these synergistic relationships mostly made up of "facts" -- that they constitute that as proof -- which may or may not be scientifically valid, but it may be an accurate assessment of the situation. I doubt anyone would be able to explain the depth of the relationship of these "facts" in a post here. There will be no one single "fact" that can prove or deny the existence of any suitably complex system.

    So I have to conclude that you may not get what your are looking for in a quick and easy way. Many people spend years finding the subtleties of these complex systems before basing any belief in them, unfortunately there is no quick way out to this conundrum You have to find the answer yourself .... My 2 cents.

    Besides, let's not forget that facts can be wrong. It was once a fact that the universe revolved around the earth, because every measureable and repeatable test proved this to be true at the time. But the system was a little more complex than was first realized, and not without far better observation tools were we able to replace one outgrown fact with another one, that we also believe is true just as much as the original "fact" was believed to be, that it replaced.
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