Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Gardener]

Response to Cass Sunstein interview. (A little off topic)
At least they have stopped calling it 'Paranoid Conspiracy Theories'.
A definition of paranoid, believing something is true despite a complete absence of evidence.
It is not paranoia if there is at least some evidence.

The video seems to be some kind of damage limitation, marginalising people who are using lateral and out of the box thinking to try to solve a mystery. Its not so long ago about 15 - 18 years (underestimated) there were discussions about microchips and a surveilance society, the 'big brother is watching you' stuff as in george orwell; if one subscribed to this line of thinking they were one of those cospiracy nuts. Well guess what?

I am sure we can all come up with at least one conspiracy theory which subsequently became fact or proven.

Give it time.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by buares (here)
Question to moderators: why can't I access this link:

Posted by qbeac (here)
Post #98, pag. 5. Methods and tactics to infiltrate and manipulate society, including Internet forums. The “Cass Sunstein” case.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post138763

Someone removed that thread from view. I don't know who removed it, but it must have been Bill or someone on the previous moderation team before my time. Only current admins and moderators can see that thread anymore.

The thread was a long and contentious poll thread, from the height of the Atticus controversy, in early February 2011.

That particular link above goes to a post discussing Cass Sunstein and government infiltration of Internet forums in the context of analyzing Atticus. I'm not quite sure what position the post is taking regarding Cass, but I'm guessing that Cass is mentioned as an example of someone who supports such infiltrations, and who is opposed to "conspiracy" sites (such as Project Avalon.)

A Google search for "Cass Sunstein and government infiltration of Internet forums" appears (at first glance; I didn't read closely) to bring up more articles of a similar vein (except of course not in the context of Atticus and Avalon.)

[Rocky_Shorz]

after earlier discussion of planes not able to follow closely behind another, I thought this was interesting...



"P-8A test flights have been carried out since mid-2010 at the Navy's test site at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. Here, a P-8A flying over the base on 31 July 2012 is overtaken by a U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighter. The F-35B and the carrier-based F-35C both are undergoing testing at Pax River. (photo by Christopher P. Cavas)"

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's what I thought of Cass Sunstein back in 2005 when I was a right wing conspiracy theorist, on FreeRepublic.com:

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That suggestion is now being carried forth by allies of Senator Biden like University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein who wrote in advance of last year's Presidential election that:

. . . In the last few years, right-wing activists have become far more ambitious. There is a great deal of talk about restoration of the "Constitution in Exile" -- the Constitution as it existed in 1932, before President Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal. Under this Constitution, the powers of the national government were sharply limited. The National Labor Relations Act of 1935, not to mention the Civil Rights Act of 1964, would have been impermissible. Under the Constitution in Exile, rights to have recourse against discrimination, and to protection of privacy, were minimal. A far more significant right was freedom of contract, which threw minimum-wage legislation into constitutional doubt. The Supreme Court tends to move slowly, and under a second Bush term, it would not adopt the Constitution of 1932; but it would probably move in that direction.

Very scary and conspiratorial stuff, indeed! The only problem is that the "Constitution-in-exile" movement is a near complete myth.

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I didn't like Cass Sunstein then; I don't like him now.

Hopefully someone on the mod team will step in now and remind me to get back on the topic of this thread .

[Atlas]

Posted by Gardener (here)
Response to Cass Sunstein interview. (A little off topic)
At least they have stopped calling it 'Paranoid Conspiracy Theories'.

He even said: "Some conspiracy theories are true"...

Posted by Paul (here)
I'm not quite sure what position the post is taking regarding Cass, but I'm guessing that Cass is mentioned as an example of someone who supports such infiltrations, and who is opposed to "conspiracy" sites (such as Project Avalon.)

Thanks Paul, this was my guess too.

[Rocky_Shorz]

wasn't CNN mentioning a black hole theory? Check this anomaly out...

[Rocky_Shorz]

"What is vitally important to understand about why both Colonel’s Hamilton and Olson were purged is that they were in charge of the incredibly vast and secretive US-NSA military global spying nexus located at the Royal Air Force Croughton base in Northamptonshire, England.

Colonel Hamilton as the commander of the US Forces 501st Combat Support Wings 422nd Air Base Group at RAF Croughton, and Colonel Olson who commanded the 422nd Communications Squadron, along with other critical duties, had operational oversight of The US Naval Space Command, which is the operational arm of the Space and Electronic Warfare Directorate within the Navy staff, and directs in near totality the United States gigantic global war machine. ."

relieved from duty to lead a team of 25 of the best electronic Warfare specialists in the world...

why would this guarded shipment be going to China at the same time as these specialists, when they are trying to stir up a war... Would Rothschild actually be giving this type of knowledge to the Chinese to make them a bigger threat to be dealt with? He has no love for China except for their money, was his plan to set up operations inside of China to secretly attack them locally?

the cargo was spotted and flight diverted, suddenly the plane changes course, cutting communications and rising to 35,000 feet so cell phones in the plane do not connect passing over cell towers in the population centers below, flew across the Maldive Island at low altitude to be spotted, landed in Diego Garcia to unload passengers and cargo before being destroyed in a location straight down the path it was seen flying over the Island, in an area 3 miles deep... one of the deepest in the world and impossible to do recoveries...

Why waste a perfectly good plane, a scrap tail section was flown to location and dropped in the sea as the clouds were clearing so it was visible by Satellite...

somewhere in the Pacific is an underground base with a group of Electronic Warfare Specialists... a fleet of drones... and a new cloaking technology to hide a flying attack center... a 777 they found laying around... a few dabs of paint...


what if the world's military are gathering their best to stop a space attack...

if you wanted to bring a divided world together, bring in something they will all stand against as brothers and sisters...


what if, the alien attack is being created?


is Putin really a member of Avalon?

[Flash]

The disappearance of the plane still remains a mystery, nothing was found in the Indian Ocean.

Search comes up empty for suspected debris from missing plane
Nathan VanderKlippe
BEIJING — The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Mar. 21 2014, 3:54 AM EDT
Last updated Friday, Mar. 21 2014, 6:31 AM EDT

The search for a missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner came up with nothing new on Friday, leaving distraught families with less and less to cling to. But American law firms are moving in to offer hope of a different kind: the potential for a multi-million-dollar payday.

Little is yet known about the fate of flight MH370. Its disappearance has sparked a massive search but only traces of solid information, including the likelihood that it was deliberately diverted from its original flight plan, and the possibility that its wreckage might be found in deep waters some 2,500 kilometres southwest of Australia.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...aign=114879180

[Cidersomerset]

20 March 2014 Last updated at 19:52

Could this radar spot Malaysia's missing plane?PreviousLatest


Science reporter, BBC News

Research team test photonics-based coherent radar system



The new laser system could send live cockpit video as well as pinpoint a plane's
precise location As the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight intensifies, a
new advanced radar system has been unveiled by scientists. But could it spot the
plane?The world's first photonic radar was tested at Pisa Airport in Italy and
achieved "world-class" performance, according to an independent expert.

It uses lasers to produce high fidelity signals that pinpoint planes precisely.

But there are doubts over its range, say researchers in Nature journal.

Could it really have followed flight MH370 as it veered off its route from Kuala
Lumpur to Beijing - possibly travelling far out over the southern Indian Ocean
where search teams are now investigating sightings of possible debris?

Today's radar networks track planes via a combination of ground stations and
satellites - as this guide explains.

Normal aircraft tracking



Graphic: How planes can be tracked
The new PhoDiR (Photonics-based fully digital radar) system is a working prototype
for next-generation radars - designed to let pilots and air traffic control exchange
far more information in a single signal.

Photonic systems promise:

Higher precision - less noise (interference) in the radar transmission
Higher bandwidth - able to transmit cockpit data (eg critical flight systems) as well as location data, simultaneously
Greater flexibility - more frequencies available
Smaller antennas - cheaper, lighter and more portable
PhoDiR was developed by Paolo Ghelfi and colleagues at Italy's National Laboratory of Photonic Networks.


National Laboratory of Photonic Networks, Italy

To test their radar, they put it on the roof of their lab - and pointed it at planes
taking off from nearby Pisa Airport.

"It was even more precise than we expected. We detected airplanes much farther
away than we expected, with even higher precision," he told BBC Radio 4's Inside Science.

"We're still trying to find out exactly how much better it is than conventional radar.
It's only a prototype - we don't have clear numbers yet."

The compact system could potentially be installed on aircraft, and has a very large
bandwidth - allowing pilots to transmit detailed information directly to ground
stations within range.

"In future, we imagine a system on an airplane that can scan objects around but
also communicate what's happening in the cockpit - what has been said,
movements in the airplane, everything," Dr Ghelfi told BBC News.

"One could imagine transmitting live streaming video, together with the radar
surveillance data. The advantage would be that a single system can do the entire
job, instead of multiple systems."

Map of MH370 information



Experts say photonic radar can overcome some of the limitations of current
electronic systems.A laser produces a finely-tuned digital signature, which is
converted into a radio frequency wave and transmitted from the radar antenna.

The returning wave is also converted via laser into a digital signal free from "jitter".

"Because the light is very precise, so is the radio frequency signal," said Prof David
Stupples, an expert on radar systems at City University in London.

"Currently we produce the carrier wave using electronics. But then you've got to
transport it up to the radar head through expensive, heavy cabling - and this
creates noise in the system.

"But if you use light - with fibre optics - it is cheaper, lighter and crucially - it has
less interference. It's very accurate."


The BBC's Richard Westcott takes a look at the gadgets used to track a plane in
flight

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ch4b9388hfk

Jason McKinney, of the US Naval Research Laboratory, said the performance of the
system's transmitter and return signal converter were "world-class with respect to
those of other photonics-based devices".

"These elements... are appealing components for future frequency-agile, software-
defined radar architectures," he wrote in a commentary in Nature.

The main limitation on the system, he says, is range. It's not clear how a photonic
ground radar could cover any greater swathe of ocean than current coastal stations.

Dr Ghelfi agrees. "Over oceans you might still depend on satellite capacity," he told BBC News.

And for this reason, the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 would likely evade
PhoDiR too - assuming it has taken a path across the Indian Ocean.

Rather than hunting planes over seas, the new system would be much more useful
over land - benefiting European air traffic control for instance, the researchers suggest.

In highly-congested airspaces - such as above London's Heathrow Airport - pilots
will know precisely how much breathing space they have.

But the photonic system could also have applications beyond air traffic control.

It could be used more widely in surveillance and wireless communications. Dr
Stupples even suggests it could help motorway drivers to avoid collisions in fast-
moving traffic.

"We are putting all these radar systems into a single small chip - low-cost with
multiple functionalities," said Dr Ghelfi.

"But it will not be something that you will see right away - we are in the range of
years and not of months."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26665305

[SilentFeathers]

Out of sight, out of mind.......they may as well be searching for penguins in Antarctica.

Australia says suspected plane debris may have sunk

also; notice they've directed this, in my opinion, "final" search location, to the farthest and most remote place on Earth that this jet could of possibly flown - and away from all civilization?

[Hervé]

Soooo...

That was/is a BIG problem, right?

And then, there's that BIG international reaction, right?

So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

[Gardener]

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Gardener (here)

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?

We'll see the UN make a move on a few solutions to this event, they probably drew the paperwork up for it years ago and blew the dust off of it on March 7th.

[Roisin]

Based on the super-sensible information I received 4 days ago, the plane didn't fly south, but in a northerly direction where it ended up in a country like kazakhstan or close to it.

It came in the form of a very lucid dream I had on the morning of March 17th.

Here's that dream exactly as I typed it out in notepad. Still was basically half asleep when I typed it out hence the typo's:

a smallish old teal with white stripe plane parked next to an airliner
other planes were parked there too.


the land was flat...

when I got to the plane, kids were looking at it and were
just getting out of the cockpit. It was my plane so I was
worried they were going to damage the plane. One of the
kids was female wearing a winter coat and a scarf..

Looked at an air-vent in back of the plane and saw a milky
coffee like liquid seeping out of it

went to the side of the plane and lifted up a opening like
a fair trailer that sells hot dogs or a food concession stand/trailer

the airport where the plane was at was near or affiliatied with
a university. it was a small airport. I was a flight student

Then I see someone riding a bike chained to a baby carrage
that was chained to the plane. I'm riding the bike pulling everything
down a runway.

Then I'm giving the plane a whirl and flying it off that runway
that was located near a water body.

Will post a screenshot of the notepad file and timestamp of that dream including an interpretation... a little later.

Note: the color of the flag of Kazakhstan is teal.
Pay attention to the "B's" i.e. bike, bicycle, baby carriage.
If the plane flew north, it flew past Bangladesh, Bhutane and maybe Burma. These country's are a cluster located in same region on the path to Kazakhstan.

More in a bit....
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Interpretation 1


The plane either flew into one of the "B" countries to refuel OR they (who ever was flying the plane) communicated to one of them along the way to Kazakhstan.
Once again... that teal plane was "connected" to 2 "B" county's along its northerly route as indicated by the bike and the baby carriage that was connected to that teal plane.

The teal plane was next to a large white airliner at that airport. The while airliner could have been the Malaysian airliner in that dream. It's sitting at a small airport in Kazakhstan OR was at an airport there for awhile before it took off again to some unknown location.

It stopped there for food too as indicated in the dream by the way the side of that smaller plane had that roller opening on the side of it.. like a food concession stand trailer one finds at county fairs.

The girl who got out of that smaller plane after looking at it was either dressed for cold weather or was Muslim... or both.... as indicated by what she was wearing i.e. scarf around head and longish coat.

Anyway, didn't post about this lucid dream until now because no one would take it seriously because everyone here has been fixated on the Indian Ocean outside of Australia... but I'm not getting that information.


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Also, a day before they came out with the news that they think they saw some debris in the Indian Ocean. an image of a google search page showing a small thumbnail of an airliner wreckage popped into my mind out of nowhere. But I think it popped into my mind like that to indicate than another news story was going to come out about another sighting of debris on the ocean just like that previous debris sighting that China broadcasted about a week or so ago that turned out to be a dud.

In this case too.... wrt to debris being seen outside of Australia, nothing was found once they investigated that area of the Indian Ocean.

PS --- the lucid dream connects to that inner eye vision I had on March 11th because the plane in that vision flew UP and that could have also meant that the plane flew north. I think my sources might have given me that lucid dream 4 days ago to reiterate to me that the plane flew north... not south. But they could have flown south after they stopped in Kazakhstan.

[panopticon]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Out of sight, out of mind.......they may as well be searching for penguins in Antarctica.

Australia says suspected plane debris may have sunk

also; notice they've directed this, in my opinion, "final" search location, to the farthest and most remote place on Earth that this jet could of possibly flown - and away from all civilization?

First off in Oz the images have been reported as possibly being wreckage from MH370 but equally likely being sea containers that fell off a freighter. There's all sorts of objects floating in the Indian Ocean Gyre (check out the other oceans too) and just because the Mad Monk (Tony Abbott) stands up in parliament and dribbles some rubbish to distract from an embarrassment in relation to one of his ministers doesn't make it real. Then bloody Truss reckons the flotsam might have sunk to the bottom of the ocean... Yeah, for our international friends, Warren Truss shouldn't be left to tie his own shoes so don't take his word as Gospel on anything.

Next, the area they are searching is huge and there is no way they can be sure of the water currents speed/direction without dropping trackers so they can project the flotsams present location. They only dropped those yesterday so have to wait at least a day to get a good indication of where they should be looking. The location in the satellite image is in the roaring 40's and the weather can get pretty serious in the Indian Ocean at that latitude:

The winds that cut across the sea are not slowed down by any land mass, which allow gusts to create waves taller than six metres and higher.

Sailors used to frequently take advantage of the conditions off Perth's coastline, but now most ships avoid the area. Global shipping routes have been redirected to head toward Asia or Europe to avoid these latitudes.

In the treacherous part of the south Indian Ocean where the search is underway, the average depths of the waters are well over 4000 metres. Combined with the strong currents of the sea, the possibility of finding any debris shrinks with every passing moment.
Source

Couldn't have picked a worse place to try and find a 24 metre bit of flotsam...

The Mad Monk swore that he wouldn't stop until he'd found the flotsam so there ya have it. Tony ta tha rescue.

-- Pan

[SilentFeathers]

Forever what reasons, they are in the process of conditioning the masses to accept this thing is lost, likely forever due to it's extremely secluded location. (The "shut it down" process has begun) They'll probably start to coax the family members to go home etc etc etc.

Tomorrow is 322, they'll likely make a bizarre announcement or something bizarre may happen tomorrow pertaining to this event.....that is; if it can actually get any more "bizarre" than it already is.

[panopticon]

Reference for anyone interested in the Southern search area (Southern Indian Ocean region off SW Western Australian coast):

Sea Temperatures & Currents
Marine Wind Forecast
Weather and Wave Forecast

Sea surface temperatures last week:



Image source

-- Pan

[araucaria]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Forever what reasons, they are in the process of conditioning the masses to accept this thing is lost, likely forever due to it's extremely secluded location. (The "shut it down" process has begun) They'll probably start to coax the family members to go home etc etc etc.

Tomorrow is 322, they'll likely make a bizarre announcement or something bizarre may happen tomorrow pertaining to this event.....that is; if it can actually get any more "bizarre" than it already is.

And yet they are claiming that they are still looking to find passengers alive...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9207016.html

[Ruby L.]

Another witness report to MH370's whereabouts?

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water near Andaman Islands on day it disappeared

- Latife Dalelah said she saw aircraft-shaped object on Kuala Lumpur flight
- She told an air stewardess what she'd seen, but was told to get some sleep
- A pilot said she would have been too high up to identify a plane in water

As aircraft and ships continued to search for debris which might be that of the missing flight MH370 on Friday, a Malaysian woman on a flight across the Indian Ocean claimed to have seen an aircraft in the water near the Andaman Islands on the day the jet disappeared.

The Kuala Lumpur wife was so convinced about what she saw at 2.30pm on March 8, several hours after MH370 vanished, that she filed an official report with police that very day - a full five days before the search for the plane was expanded to the area around the Andaman Islands.

News of her apparent sighting came as a blank was drawn after two days of searching in the Indian Ocean for two objects deemed by experts as possibly being from the missing plane.

JUST HOW CREDIBLE ARE MRS DALELAH'S CLAIMS?
Many will warn against dismissing Mrs Dalelah's claims too quickly.
The islands do lie across a route MH370 could have taken after radar contact was lost and it would easily have been able to reach them before Mrs Dalelah's sighting at 2.30pm.

After its transponder was turned off at 1.21am on March 8 the plane, with enough fuel to last 2,500 miles, turned west, following an established route towards India.
An ephemeral satellite ping registered at 8.11am suggested the plane was heading in one of two directions - south to where the potential debris was spotted, or north into China and central Asia.

The Andaman Islands lie 890 miles to the north-west of Kuala Lumpur, well within range.

Officials still haven't ruled out MH370 being found in a northerly location, with aircraft and ships renewing their search in the Andaman Sea between India and Thailand on Friday.

Her account will be seen by many as having credibility as the islands lie within the northern corridor officials speculated that the plane might have travelled along after radar contact was lost.

However, Mrs Dalelah said she had received scorn about her account, including from a pilot who said the aircraft she was on would have been too high for her to have seen anything on the ocean below.

But mother of 10 Mrs Latife Dalelah, 53, insisted she saw a silver object in the shape of an aircraft on the water as she was flying from Jeddah to Kuala Lumpur. It was about an hour after her aircraft had flown past the southern Indian city of Chennai.

'Throughout the journey I was staring out of the window of the aircraft as I couldn't sleep during the flight,' she told the New Straits Times.

The in-flight monitor showed that her plane was crossing the Indian Ocean and she had seen several shipping liners and islands - before she saw the silvery object. 'I took a closer look and was shocked to see what looked like the tail and wing of an aircraft on the water,' she said.
'I woke my friends on the flight but they laughed me off,' she added.

The same reaction has come from a pilot who questioned how anyone flying at about seven miles above sea level could see anything like a boat or ship from so high up.

But Mrs Dalelah insisted to the paper: 'I know what I saw. I am convinced that I saw the aircraft. I will not lie. I had just returned from my pilgrimage.'

A large part of what she thought was an aircraft was submerged, she said. When she tried to tell an air stewardess what she had seen, she was told to get some sleep.

When her plane landed at Kuala Lumpur at about 4pm on that Saturday she told her children what she had seen. 'That is when they told me that MH370 had gone missing,' she told the paper.

'My son-in-law, a policeman, was convinced that I had seen an aircraft and asked me to lodge a police report the same day.

'Many of my friends on the flight doubted me at first, but they are beginning to believe me now that we know the plane (MH370) turned back and entered the Indian Ocean.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2wc6iXNqY

[Roisin]

Posted by Gardener (here)

AZ---->So, now, well... I am waiting for it....

Solution?

Chip everyone flying anywhere?

Idk

Not everything sinks
500 seat cushions?

Just now seeing this.... who came up with the "AZ"?

What a coincidence but didn't see your post and then Silentfeather's post quoting that quote too with the AZ in it as I must have still been typing out my long post here about Kazakhstan at the same time why you guys posted your posts that's quoting that post with the "AZ" in it. Lol, am I making sense here?

Anyhoo.,... who ever came up with the "AZ" ... good work because it sorta matches Kazakhstan which is where my lucid dream indicated the plane might have flown into.... or it still could be there.. who knows?.