"Star People" -- stop worrying about where you came from, and help us get back there! :)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

WHO ARE WE?

WHY ARE WE HERE?

WHO CALLS US TO WAKEFULNESS?

Something occurred to me while thinking about Carryattune's thread about Tesla last night, and Jack's thread about the Pineal Gland (including theories on limiting human space travel). You could consider it one of those "Big Ideas" that usually generate a lot of embarrassment when they are shared publicly. But you guys and gals are good people. You can handle some honest question-and-answer, truth-or-dare...

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I was standing in the bathroom, doing something ordinary and boring (hopefully brushing my teeth), musing on all the people on our forum and across the internet who apparently "feel a connection" to other star systems and planets, people who even go so far as to say "I'm a Starseed, I'm a walk-in, I am the reincarnation of Nicola Tesla, etc".

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This thread isn't about arguing against the point made by the "Star Seed/Indigo" communities. It's about encouraging action based upon your own radical belief that there is a home in the stars closer to your hearts than this sad ball of earth we all ended up on.

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I'm not knocking Planet Earth/Gaia/Our Mother, either -- I'm just saying, I know how you feel! The separation anxiety, the emptiness of space, the massive distance and despair of knowing that our civilization may well have lost the necessary knowledge to breach those vast passages.

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"Where is the ship that will bear me hence?" ~Lady Arwen, LOTR

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In 100 years, it is highly probable that our species will have colonized many objects in our galaxy other than our native Earth. My concern is not regarding the probability of this occurrence. I take it as fact, that unless some catastrophe reduces us to ground zero, humanity will escape the planet within some of our lifetimes. Some of us here on Project Avalon will live to see HUMAN life on other worlds. Our children will grow up not even understanding what this means to the rest of us who were trapped here.

Will we let capitalism and warmongering lead the way into the Final Frontier? -- that is my question.

Or will we sentient living creatures take our lives back into our own hands, and walk away from this Earthly madness and into the stars -- on our own terms?

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Is there a Project Avalon Off-World Community Vision here? Are any of you (we?) Star People brave enough, strong enough, pious enough in your belief that our home is in the heavens, to make good on that belief and step through the open door into God's front yard?

Where will Humanity find itself in 100 years? Will we Star People and Project Avalon people be ready and willing, when the opportunity to colonize presents itself, or will we be left behind -- talking, knowing, understanding quite well -- but not doing?

Tell me if I am out of line, or presuming too much on this subject. There could well be efforts of which I am totally unaware at present. I have not been a member here very long. Maybe a year and a half, or a bit less. But I do have vision, and I hope that some of us grow to share the same vision, of a humanity free not only to dominate a limited environment, but ready to enter a limitless and terrifyingly beautiful World of Worlds.

Are we ready to leave home?

[birddog]

Do not ever accept an invitation to leave Earth. It is a one way ticket to the other side. I have read about the transports that change a lot of money.......This will be offered in the future.... But there are those collecting humans for other purposes....mining for one..and it gets worse. So stay put.

[sigma6]

Well pretty soon with Keshe's freely distributed instructions, we can all build our own hotrod spaceships (potentially) and traverse the galaxy... kind of like American Graffiti 2020... and with the over unity energy devices we should have all the power we need to build one... then again if I could just get the instructions to build the generator that would be a start... that's all I want, the simple bare bones - aimed at the layperson how to build your own home generator, (and save the planet millions of tons of sulphur and other hazardous waste while providing all the heat and hydro your family would need to live...

is that asking a lot?

with one of those generators you COULD go and rescind all your signatures and live in the woods, and there is nothing the government could do about it (no contract) and use that food generator until you could build your first aquaponic farm in your own greenhouse (powered with unlimited energy to keep it warm in winter)

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

I see the wisdom in both your opinions -- but staying put means accepting the mass surveillance etc. It means giving up individual culture for Big Brother!

I am not saying, take the next "free ticket to Mars" that some corporation hands off. This isn't like Willy Wonka and the Golden Tickets.

This is about the average human maintaining enough awareness and education to have a competitive edge, once space travel becomes commonplace, civilian, mainstream.
It's not about slaves being recruited for salt mines on the Moon or whatever (can that even exist without water lol).

It's about seeing past the 3D printers, the next Smart Phone, the "wonders of hi-res satellite feeds" and being willing to strike out into the unknown.
Our modern culture is all about staying comfortable, looking out from between the bars of a cell phone antenna.

What I am asking Avalon is, do you have what it takes PHYSICALLY and SPIRITUALLY (a lot is required!) in order to truly and wholly start a functioning colony on another world?

Or is my timeline off?

I think there will be two movements on Earth happening at the same time: the Luddite/Green Natives and the Techno-Space-Explorers.
One group will be entirely focused on "sustainable earth" and will try to ignore and pooh-pooh the space race.
The other group will feel the pressure of population stress and try to leave no matter how "sustainable" the planet's population becomes.

There is a clear division in the species, between seeker-establishers and maintainer-sustainers. If that makes any sense.
An explorer class and a "civilized" class, within the human race.

I know I am not civilized -- I crave constant change, constant motion, stimulation.
I'm not one of those peaceful, at-home-is-best people who can rake the same .25 acre garden twice a week.

[Robin]

I really don't quite know what you're asking here, Tesla. What you seem to be implying has been said over and over again, but it surely needs reiterating.

It is indeed a lonely existence for those who have ET souls, but we do not consider ourselves superior in any way (except Illuminati members with Draco Reptilian souls...). Most of us do not remember what our previous existence was like, becasuse we are subjected to the veil of forgetting as everybody else is on this three-dimensional plane of existence.

We only feel a deep sense of lonliness, a deep sense of frustration, and a deep sense of confusion for being subjected to such a screwed up civilization on a planet that has been abused.

Yes, I would love to know where exactly I come from, but I am not dwelling on it. What matters is that I have chosen to be here at this time to assist, and for what it's worth, I am currently being a HUMAN. A different soul origin and slightly different genetics does not change the fact that I am currently human, and it is my duty to act like a human should.

How should a human being acting at this point in time? The easy answer is the exact opposite humans have been acting for thousand sof years. Well, seeing how the average human on this planet has been reincarnating over and over again for thousands of years due to spiritual technology, falling deeper and deeper into the trap of Totaliterian Tiptoe, it would be most wise for every human to finally take responsibility for their actions. They have put themselves into this trap by accepting what was offered to them by their controllers. Out of their own free will, coupled with an infinite amount of ways of being subjected to mind-control, humans have put themselves into this predicament out of apathy and ignorance.

In order for humans to colonize space and become a sovereign race with rights to travel inter-galacticly, they need to take back their power and shake off the parasite that has been controlling them for so long. Learn to say NO!!!

Those with ET souls are here to assist, as we are currently your bretheren, your kin, and what affects you will affect us as well. Once you realize who you are and why you are in this situation, the Truth will ultimately set you free. Stop relying on outside forces to fix your problems. How could any race be given the right to travel in the stars if they do not know how to solve their own problems, and do not know what true sovereignty means?

I think Bill Ryan's thread The Cry of Gaia sums up my own viewpoints rather well.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Yes, but from the womb of the earth, humanity will deliver the future -- will we help or hinder, when humanity flexes its muscles and tries to escape the cage?

ET souls or not, will we accept our roles as guides in a physical capacity as well as the spiritual capacity we exercise here?

Will we function as the medium, the catalyst, in delivering tomorrow's people from Point A to Point B?

And sans guilt, please, I am beyond the racial self-hatred already.
You and I don't pick up a harpoon and go looking for Flipper and Bambi, right?
I got past some of that stuff a few years ago.

What's so horrible about a free humanity?


edit: BBL I have got to exercise! my PA butt is still too big lol

[white wizard]

This is a very philosophical post, so I will bite. I think we have one major

block in the road taking us to the stars. The idea we are alone in the

universe is still very dominant in today's world.I think about 15 years after

people realize we are not alone, space travel will begin to take off. To be

honest I am getting really annoyed that contact has not happened yet. It

will literally shake the minds of people globally, and finally people will

start looking up wondering what is out there. At that point we can actually

get a better idea of how long we have until we explore the stars. I see

a major migration of people off world to study the universe guided by

off world beings. This will all occur in steps.

-Awareness we are not alone shortly followed by contact

-Massive awakening

-Contact small scale world wide

- Reformation of world governments society reorganizes itself all within
the first year

- Establishment of organizations to begin dialogue with off world intelligence This will probably take 2 years after contact to build this system.

- You will then see a class of people emerge ready to begin working with aliens. This will happen by year 3 most likely possibly sooner.

- They will gain limited access to space vehicles and begin touring the
local universe on a small scale.

- This new space industry will begin to build itself with help from E.T.'s
We could be given ships or make our own.

- This industry will launch the first wave of people who become the
ambassadors to Earth who begin off world extended missions with other
societies. Mostly ten years after contact. These people may or may not
return. These people will be specially selected by there skills, and
knowledge of E.T.'s

- Small colonies of people will establish their presence on other
worlds and space trade/commerce will begin to really build itself. Space
ship airports will begin popping up in many countries.

- interest in space will grow, and focus will turn to off world industry. This
could take up to 50 years after contact, but it means we are more
focused on what is going on out their, than our own planet. Massive
industry will be in place for space travel, and our economy will become
dependent on it. at this point another wave of migration off world should
take place to gather resources and technology. small alien embassies
with communities will begin to become well established.

- I think after 75 years, tens of thousands of people will be
leaving and coming to the planet everyday. People born off world will
loose their identity with earth and new factions of humans with no
connections to earth will begin to form.

- after 150 years their will be groups of people established throughout
the local galaxies. people will grow up only hearing and studying of Earth.
Groups of people will establish small colonies throughout the galaxy
forming different factions of people based of beliefs. These factions
will eventually turn into societies of people different from earth,
independent.

So basically the only thing we need to happen is contact. After that things
will really take off, but until then were screwed.

[william r sanford72]

took some doing..i realized that i i am always home.no matter where i bee.nothing is ever wasted on earth when in tune.all things in nature are created for a purpose.were created for purpose and all are connected.ifn we manifested now.in this form.timeline.then i suspect its for a damn good reason.i fit in the middle.space and earth hold something so very important and close to my heart.spirit.soul.mind.Iam Strongly Drawn to both.
Great Thread!
truth always.
balance.
William.

[Freed Fox]

As long as racism exists at any level, then humanity should not be allowed to leave. There are plenty of issues which need to be worked on and remedied (not least of which is our propensity for war and exploitation), but this is still fundamental and important. If people cannot accept others OF THEIR OWN SPECIES based on physical, superficial differences, then they have no business exploring beyond this planets borders.

As far as Avalonians being at the forefront, we have some growing up to do ourselves before we would be qualified for such. For instance, speaking in broad generalizations about alien species which we clearly cannot understand (being that we don't have frequent, open interactions or communications with them) is indicative of the same basic problem of prejudice.

[Agape]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)

Are we ready to leave home?

Not in this state of terrestrial affairs , nope .. As far as I'm concerned , I'm always ready .
On the other hand ..one day we have to get everyone HOME and whatever will be true for them that time , I can't reveal at this moment ,

build a Ship yes . http://100yss.org

But this won't take you far ..

100 years is fairly nothing compared to the Universe and your technologies , no matter how proud of them we are, are in diapers .

There are too many ufo enthusiasts talking to the matter out there . Be logical, biological , and sort out self first before you give yourself to an AI.

No matter how advanced any technology is, it's always gullible .

[birddog]

"I am not saying, take the next "free ticket to Mars" that some corporation hands off." How does slavery working in the mines sound to you? That is until you can't work anymore...then it gets worse. There is no retirement. Nothing is free. As I said before...stay here, and don't listen to disinformation from anyone. Birddog

[ghostrider]

The path you seek is found in our thinking ... until we change our thinking as earth dwelling humans , we won't go anywhere ... our evolution requires us to rid ourselves of greed , ego , and the lust for power and control ... it cannot be allowed to infect the cosmos like a virus ... it happened in the past , and an entire galaxy was lost , hence the reason earth is called the prison planet , with a non-interference policy ...

[birddog]

Tesla, I know your separation anxiety. I felt it before....a very long time ago. I found out at a young age that I could see and do things that others could not. I had abilities others didn't have. I didn't know why. I also found out that I could turn this off and on at will, so that I could run away from it. This gave me time to adjust. We all are here at this time because WE CHOSE to be here at this time. We are all here to help, each in our own way. There is no higher or lower. Each has their own role in this to complete this timeline. Pray, and meditate, sending out love energy to the world and beyond, as you are feeling that love. They may pick up on your light and come to see you. And, it would be the right ET, from the higher realms. birddog

[white wizard]

I think there are people on this planet who are ready to leave. They
should not be held back by those who are not ready, they can leave when
they solve there own problems.

This doesn't mean everyone should jump in a random UFO and skip out,
that is how you could get kidnapped. Their will be several different species
coming to Earth with different interests. A system would have to be made
to separate good and bad Aliens coming to Earth. People may indeed
leave with bad aliens, because they are lured by concepts of greed. That
is their freewill choice.

Their will also be those who leave with aliens who are good. That is their
choice to do and there is nothing wrong with this. Their are many people
who will want to leave, but will not be accepted by certain aliens species,
because they are not spiritually mature enough. There is also the ones
who are stuck here until earth colonies are established on other planets,
but again their will be selection process for those leaving. No one is going
to take a corrupt person to a planet operation on a higher level of
awareness.

The sad thing is some people will most likely leave with negative aliens,
because that is their only ticket off Earth. That is their choice and
must be respected.

A lot of people probably will not go anywhere, because they prefer Earth.

I think what people do not take into account is the fact that most people
will be restricted in their travels. A negative person trying to visit a
planet, which operates on a extremely positive level will be turned away.
If they choose to visit a planet still operating negatively then they would
probably be welcomed. Its gonna be done on a personal level.

The bottom line is if your ready to go you should be able to leave.
People who are not ready probably won't leave and if they do it will
be to parts of the universe that reflects there spiritual maturity.

[Dorjezigzag]

Questions such as this are very much of the human condition it makes me think of the famous Paul Gauguin painting of the title

Where Do We Come From? What Are We? Where Are We Going?



I like this discussion on the painting

"In December, 1897, Gauguin decided to kill himself. He was sick and miserable, without enough money for medical treatment, he was in debt and abandoned by those who owed him money. His tropical paradise had failed. He wished, before dying, to paint one great, last testamentary picture, and summoning all his strength in a single burst of energy he painted this canvas his largest. The attempt at suicide failed, apparently through an overdose of the arsenic he took, and so in later letters, we have his own comments upon the picture and its genesis:

"It is a canvas about five feet by twelve. The two upper corners are chrome yellow, with an inscription on the left, and my name on the right, like a fresco on a golden wall with its corners damaged.


"To the right, below, a sleeping baby and three seated women. Two figures dressed in purple confide their thoughts to each other. An enormous crouching figure which intentionally violates the perspective, raises its arm in the air and looks in astonishment at these two people who dare to think of their destiny. A figure in the center is picking fruit. Two cats near a child. A white goat. An idol, both arms mysteriously and rhythmically raised, seems to indicate the Beyond. A crouching girl seems to listen to the idol. Lastly, an old woman approaching death appears reconciled and resigned to her thoughts. She completes the story. At her feet a strange white bird, holding a lizard in its claw [sic], represents a futility of words.

"The setting is the bank of a stream in the woods. In the background the ocean, and beyond the mountains of a neighboring island. In spite of changes of tone, the landscape is blue and Veronese green from one end to the other. The naked figures stand out against it in bold orange.

"If anyone said to the students competing for the Rome Prize at the Ecole des Beaux-Arts, the picture you must paint is to represent Where Do We Come From? What Are We? Where Are We Going? what would they do? I have finished a philosophical work on this theme, comparable to the Gospels. I think it is good."

Gauguin did more than describe the allegorical subject of this picture. He also told of the method and manner of its execution, stressing what his predecessors in romanticism would have called inspiration, and his twentieth-century heirs the uncontrollable workings of the subconscious, true source of the artist's genius:

"I worked day and night that whole month in an incredible fever. Lord knows it is not done like a Puvis de Chavannes: sketch after nature, preparatory cartoon, etc. It is all done from imagination, straight from the brush, on sackcloth full of knots and wrinkles, so the appearance is terribly rough.

"They will say it is careless, unfinished. It is true that one is not a good judge of one's own work, nevertheless I believe that this canvas not only surpasses all my previous work, but that I will never do anything better or even like it. Before dying I put into it all my energy, a passion so painful, in terrible circumstances, and a vision so clear, needing no correction, that the hastiness disappears and life surges up. It doesn't smell of the model, of conventional techniques and the so-called rules from all of which I have always liberated myself, though sometimes with trepidation . . .

"I look at it incessantly and (I admit) I admire it. The more I study it, the more I realize its enormous mathematical faults, which I will not correct at any price. The painting will stay as it is as a sketch, if you wish.

"But there is also this question which perplexes me: Where does the execution of a painting begin, and where does it end? At the very moment when the most intense emotions fuse in the depths of one's being, at the moment when they burst forth and issue like lava from a volcano, is there not something like the blossoming of the suddenly created work, a brutal work, if you wish, yet great, and superhuman in appearance? The cold calculations of reason have not presided at this birth; who knows when, in the depths of the artist's soul the work was begun unconsciously perhaps?"

After Gauguin recovered, in the spring of 1898, he sent the picture on to Paris, where it was shown at Ambroise Vollard's gallery. There it attracted considerable attention, and the critic Andre Fontainas discussed it at some length, sympathetically, but from a conventional point of view. For him the picture lacked any clear content; "There is nothing," he wrote, "that explains the meaning of the allegory."

In a letter of March, 1899, Gauguin took the trouble to reply at some length, writing in what was for him a very friendly tone, to explain his method and intention. After mentioning the "musical" role that color plays in his pictures (and will play increasingly in modern painting a prophetic statement), and its power of evoking "what is the most general, and by the same token the most vague in nature its interior force," he continues:

"My dream is intangible, it implies no allegory; as Mailarme said, 'It is a musical poem and needs no libretto.' Consequently the essence of a work, unsubstantial and of a higher order, lies precisely in 'what is not expressed; it is the implicit result of the lines, without color or words; it has no material being.' . . .

"The idol in my picture is not there as a literary explanation, but as a statue; is perhaps less of a statue than the animal figures, and is also less animal, since it is one with nature in the dream I dream before my hut. It rules our primitive souls, the imaginary consolation of our suffering, vague and ignorant as we are about the mystery of our origin and our destiny.

"All this sings with sadness in my soul and my surroundings, while I paint and dream at the same time with no tangible allegory within my reach owing perhaps to the lack of literary education.

"Awakening with my work finished, I say to myself, Where Do We Come From? What Are We? Where Are We Going? A thought which no longer has anything to do with the canvas, expressed in words quite apart on the wall which surrounds it. Not a title, but a signature . . .

"I have tried to put my dream into a suggestive setting and to interpret it without recourse to literary means and with all the simplicity the medium allows: a difficult task. Criticize me if you wish for having failed, but not for having tried . . ."

http://www.gauguin.org/where-do-we-c...hat-are-we.jsp

[Heartsong]

I don't and can't answer for the whole of humanity, but for my own personal, introverted, and graying self I will say, "I ain't about to go anywhere."

I'll soon be 64. I like my garden and my family. All that I value (and a great deal that I don't) is here on earth. It's familiar. My hope is to live the rest of my life gracefully and pass into some kind of heaven.
Heartsong

[TigaHawk]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
...and an entire galaxy was lost , hence the reason earth is called the prison planet , with a non-interference policy ...

To which i see as the right thing to do also.... if we were "Saved" and the psychopaths in power removed, good people put in and we were allowed to progress with all the hidden technologies released..... honestly how long do you think it would take before the same kinds of people (ones that happily step on others to get what they want, ones that lack a moral compass and would willingly manipulate people to achieve their goals) get into positions of power and start playing games with the world once more.......

Even tho we think that we are - sometimes i really think that we are still not ready (on the evolutionary scale) for the star's yet and we have a bit more to go, and because we don't think that - and we think we're almost there - that the threat of us wiping ourselves out - or messing up the planet so badly it's inhospitable - is not really thought about with that much priority or weight behind it in comparison to everything else.

Would it not be funny if we had wiped ourselves out before completely, and an ET race came along, found what happend and thought they would give us another chance by bringing us back.... perhaps a bit harsh but when you think of the dodo you can understand their extinction because they just did not fit in properly, their overfriendliness to everything and little caution... and the fact they could not fly was their doom........that kind of thing applies to us as well. Yes we dominate the planet, yes we have cool technology, but we all still just seem to be a bunch of territorial animals on the "real" scale of things, if you were to make a chart from the creation of a single atom to that of some sort of superbeing like thing.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

So.... are these predictions?
That "because we don't deserve to leave", we won't?

I'm frankly a bit shocked/surprised that even here,
people still hate themselves too much to have a dream.

When did I stop dreaming big?
Hmm around the time I stopped believing in myself.

Just food for thought.

p.s. whether or not you approve of his diet, the Eagle still flies.
p.p.s. and the salt mine thing -- jeez negative much??

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Ok so people don't get too mad at me: a joke:


"Why did the Star Person cross the Universe?"

"To get to the other side!"

meet you at the salt mines!!
p.s. mining would be... maybe... sort of FUN in space?

[Gerald Paris]

>.< Hey I like this planet! >.<


don't like the master magicians making the calls in this "SALT MINE" though.

mayhap I am just a human, and an earth hermit. /shrug


Fun thread though.

Much Love

G