Pope's PEACE DOVES attacked !

[Hervé]

FWIW...

Gypsy's/Tzigan's tradition as recounted by Pierre Derlon holds that humanity couldn't have chosen worse than doves for their symbol of peace... being the cruelest of animals in their books.

Also, the same tradition holds that "white" is the color that represents "death"... hence "sacrifice"... you know... white weddings... altar boys... etc....

[SilentFeathers]

What also must be considered is that the Pope was talking about Ukraine during this ceremony. The Pope called for harmony in the Ukraine right before the doves were released.

From wiki:

Ukraine has long been a world breadbasket due to its fertile conditions. The country, as of 2011, was the world's third-largest grain exporter. In 2011 the harvest was much larger than average harvest and export fees had been lowered.[16] Ukraine is one of ten most attractive agricultural land acquisition regions.

Sevastopol, which houses the Russian Black Sea Fleet under a leasing agreement. Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Ukraine continues to maintain the second-largest military in Europe, after that of Russia.

What is really going on in Ukraine? The PM just resigned also.....

Are we once again seeing the west stir up a hornets nest in another country? West vs. Russia?

The current crisis in Ukraine has its genesis in trade policy, with the protests originating in reaction to President Viktor Yanukovich’s Vilnius Summit about-face, turning to Russia for a bail-out package rather than initialling a much-anticipated Ukraine-E.U. association agreement.

Moreover, despite the fact that Ukraine already trades more with the European Union than with Russia, the Russian deal remained more attractive to those in power for two reasons: it contained a sweetheart deal on natural gas, and it came with a $15-billion cheque at no cost. European integration, on the other hand, would have required economic and legal reforms to bring the post-Soviet state to E.U. standards – including such things as anti-corruption legislation and anti-trust laws that might be unwelcome by the billionaire oligarch class of robber barons dominating Ukraine’s economy and ultimately controlling its politics.

But it is precisely through the business class that the West can map a road for Ukraine to its rightful place among European nations. The only way to break the status quo is convince the ruling elites that Europe and North America are ultimately more prosperous alternatives to the creaky-yet-convenient Russian market.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...ticle16540957/

Putin also very recently met with the Pope....

Putin to Meet Pope Francis as Church Relations Warm
25 November 2013 | Issue 5262
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...rm/490150.html

and on Dec 18, 2013 (this is a HUGE deal)

Ukraine and Russia have signed a major economic trade deal, despite massive protests in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, for European Union integration, with Moscow promising massive financial assistance and cuts in natural gas prices.
While there was shouting in Kyiv, there was applause at the Kremlin.
Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin signed an agreement that has slashed the cost of natural gas sold to Ukraine by one-third.
Moscow has also pledged to buy billions of dollars' worth of Ukrainian government bonds, as the country faces a major economic crisis.
http://www.news.va/en/news/ukraine-r...eal-trade-deal

I thought about this for a while before posting thinking I may be going off in the wrong direction, but after much thought I think this has very much to do with the topic of this thread, relating very much with the releasing/sacrifice of the doves and the power behind the Vatican.....and the innocence of the blood of children in some sick way......possibly sealing a deal between the Vatican and Russia.

If this is true, this in a way is a large separation between the Vatican and England......and besides, this is not too far fetched at all considering there was a huge separation and problems with the western bankers (JP Morgan being one of them) and the Vatican just a year or two ago.

This deal between Russia and the Ukraine (with Vatican support) is a huge deal for Russia, economically and on the military front....especially when it comes to Syria and Iran, and other problems in the Middle East.

also....

The Holy See is the only European subject of international law to have diplomatic relations with the Republic of China (Taiwan), although informal talks between the Holy See and the government of the People's Republic of China on the reestablishment of diplomatic relations have been reported.

During the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI relations were established Montenegro (2006), the United Arab Emirates (2007), Botswana (2008), the Russian Federation (2009), Malaysia (2011) and South Sudan (2013).[20] "Relations of a special nature" had previously been in place with Russia similar to those that continue to exist with the Palestinian Liberation Organization.[21]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...f_the_Holy_See

PS: and I just looked down and the clock on my computer say 9-11 am.......synchronicity once again is telling me I am on to something

[korgh]

Posted by chocolate (here)
Okay, after sleeping on it (I had another...hm...heartbreaking revelation that has nothing to do with this), but I think I see this one also more clearly.

Bobd, you know I have great respect for your wisdom?!
Jacko is also dear to me.

But this is only me speaking now:
there was a presentation of ritual sacrifice, done by the divinity in man. (It made me sick to my stomach. Next time I see the pope I will thr*w up).
I think we are too much looking for secret gestures while it is done in a more obvious way. I see a hand and yes, it might have a secret message, but in the current situation I doubt it.

Everything mentioned in the thread about the ritual, the hidden message behind it, the children and the colors of their clothing, everything for me is valid.

I also agree they are using the natural predisposition of having crows and seagulls around.

Now, after I just wrote this, I saw it as a final desperate gesture of a weakened and sick man (religion) on its death bed. I don't know, but I also sense a bit of sadness in me.

Just occurred to me:
The dove represents peace, but also love, and innocence. Adam And Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden when they tasted the fruit of knowledge , they lost their innocence ...

We have been eating from that tree of knowledge on the forum for a very long time. Overall mankind has had a lot of knowledge brought forward in the last few years if not decades.

I know it would be a stretch of the imagination to think of the (Vatican) religion as something that represents and cultivates innocence and love, but in the broader perspective religion is supposed to be doing just that, reminding mankind of the divinity in him.
Those (sick) people might have just shown that in their bloody message.

One of my neighbors takes care of doves, just across the street. I love waking up to the voices of (my) doves. Everyone that sacrifices doves will leave my hart and all the love in it.
end of rant.

Yep.. i understand your point of view.

Religion, esotericism or events that involve some mystical energy, I always try to seek some logic answer behind it all, something that has some scientific explanation.
I never commented here,but most part of my education (since 6 until 17yo) was in a Jesuit college ... (LOL do not kill me plz.. I'm a rebel ..)
My family is Catholic, very conservative and still hear sometimes that I'm the black sheep of the family because I always have to challenge things should not about religion. I should to keep my mouth closed most of times...
Many things that contributed to the technological advancement of mankind were once considered witchcraft. The nature of the human being tries to explain what it does not understand as supernatural. I believe there is something behind all this, but I try to keep some part of the active scientific reason in "orange alert" condition
We must keep an open spirit to changes but with the mind awake and sharp.

by the way, my father in law is a pigeon breeder.
...and they make too much noise early in the morning... mainly when i need few hours more to recovering from "scotch" abuse.

Cheers

[chocolate]

the rebels are the better (fallen) angels
apology Bobd. I am outta here in a minute. It was way too challenging not to comment.

Silentfeathers, I think you are on the right track. I haven't done that kind of thinking, but sure sounds as if it is true.
(just so that I don't derail the thread too much)

I also did not know doves are viewed as cruel by the gypsies. Will go research that, too.

[Bob]

Posted by chocolate (here)
Okay, after sleeping on it (I had another...hm...heartbreaking revelation that has nothing to do with this), but I think I see this one also more clearly.
[...]
there was a presentation of ritual sacrifice, done by the divinity in man.

[...]

Agreed, clear and precise and as mentioned the sum total of the events sets the stage for the activity to manifest - that is part of the "setup" for "ritual" (ritual anything is a function of the setup, the regalia, the "emotional charge") --- all of that is magick, and how such is accomplished using the vibe of the masses. ETHICAL use one tends to feel is about being steward ship. Abuse of good stewardship and we find that we have been "cut to the quick", burnt to the core, slammed at soul level..

[...]
Everything mentioned in the thread about the ritual, the hidden message behind it, the children and the colors of their clothing, everything for me is valid.

I also agree they are using the natural predisposition of having crows and seagulls around.

Now, after I just wrote this, I saw it as a final desperate gesture of a weakened and sick man (religion) on its death bed. I don't know, but I also sense a bit of sadness in me.

Just occurred to me:
The dove represents peace, but also love, and innocence. Adam And Eve were thrown out of the garden of Eden when they tasted the fruit of knowledge , they lost their innocence ...

We have been eating from that tree of knowledge on the forum for a very long time. Overall mankind has had a lot of knowledge brought forward in the last few years if not decades.

I know it would be a stretch of the imagination to think of the (Vatican) religion as something that represents and cultivates innocence and love, but in the broader perspective religion is supposed to be doing just that, reminding mankind of the divinity in him.
Those (sick) people might have just shown that in their bloody message.

One of my neighbors takes care of doves, just across the street. I love waking up to the voices of (my) doves. Everyone that sacrifices doves will leave my hart and all the love in it.
end of rant.

And that is what discussion is about, to not suppress it but to open it up to lets THINK ON IT, lets try to connect dots.

We do that by observing, by "bouncing off the walls" and if we are thinking about family we pick our selves up and find where we can help each other become stronger.

The narcissist egocentric psychopathic sociopath (mouth full) only wants attention on them and never wants others to become more able. The narcissistic egocentric psychopathic sociopath cripples minds, cripples bodies, steps on creativity - being able to see and connect and extrapolate are some of the greatest gifts mankind has, and can have more of when we are able to silence the internal dialog (the constant think think think), and then take a look around and with knowingness, see what is happening, understand how to get to the next step, and start to take steps to get there (doingness)..

I just talked about beingness, the first step - it is not about ego push, its not about wearing the fancy clothes, carrying the fancy staff, or wearing the sacred ring. It is more more Mother Terresa in viewpoint, the care about others and the facilitating of programs, be it consciousness, or schooling or providing ways for folks to know how to build better and safer communities. That gets into the stewardship we expect and want to respect in any leader..

If that is not there in either side, the goat side, or the man side, we have nothing to look up to, we have nothing to try to emulate. We turn back not to society, but back to tooth and claw, and become more beast than evolved being.. Where is the role model?

What is considered important. For me, it is any possible way that humanity can be assisted to get to the next stage, whatever that could be that assists where wisdom can be derived, and then to share that, to open a door. If the person chooses to learn, look, explore, that's ok, as it is perfectly OK to not explore. But don't push others who want to explore backwards - we expect our role models to assist not hinder.

Bob

[SilentFeathers]

hey Bob, what do you think about my last post about the Ukraine?

Also, keep notice; I'm predicting a wave of "events" and stories in the media coming soon about demons, possession, exorcisms, etc...

[Bob]

I think it is spot on. Brilliant connection of dots.

Ed: Absolutely including the prediction.. All of that would have to be there - very well done !

[Bob]

We've talked about this as a group - with the Syrian issues, and other events about to unfold..

Observation is the first step, the identify step, know what is happening.. I suppose getting into Quantum consciousness, a state of knowingness can happen, and then changes to outcome could be the next step. I believe drama is about to get our attention to learn and then understand - such becomes a tool in a school. ID and then start to look at what ideal scene could be. Test it, can it happen? If it can not, what HAS NOT yet been observed. Then motivate with joy and compassion, where the highest wisdom gained is the focus, the greatest amount of consciousness.. The joy quanta I believe are more powerful than the hate-conflict, they say love conquers fear, fear creates the pulling in separation from the Allness..

[Chanlo23]

Posted by Nanoo Nanoo (here)
the hand gesture is significant and it has been altered. .. There is no internal loop for its inner god to tranfer the blessing. You will notice that the mudras are so delicately different. Every tiny difference connects different conduits and channels. Slight varyants are so had to pick up unless you know what to look for.

During therapeutic massage/energy/healing sessions, folks spontaneously move their bodies into positions (and their hands/fingers) that connect known and little known energy systems in the body. Sometimes this appears to be an unconscious/spontaneous form of dispelling negative energy or stress (physical, spiritual, emotional) during the session, but at others it appears to be a form of communication with the inner/higher self and/or those present because there was/is an accompanying 'aha' that was vocalized by the person. I have even seen the skin seemingly display symbols or images in dark red, almost purple, (stigmata?) that fade after the session is over. Again, this appears to be a type of communication.

These positions DO correspond to known forms used in esoteric symbology (whether magical, religious, etc.) and they most often are variants. That variation is important and significant - as Nanoo says.

When the mind is distracted, as it might be by performing a physical act such as releasing the birds, the body will/can communicate further in the form of such gestures (or be used as a conduit).

Some folks will NOT see any conduit/channel of communication in these gestures, and that is OK. I do. That is OK too. Neither perception proves the presence or absence of meaning.

[Nanoo Nanoo]

i dont think the wave ( symbol ) was intentional personally .. his hand happened to be in that position when he released the dove....

N

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bobd (here)
We've talked about this as a group - with the Syrian issues, and other events about to unfold..

Observation is the first step, the identify step, know what is happening.. I suppose getting into Quantum consciousness, a state of knowingness can happen, and then changes to outcome could be the next step. I believe drama is about to get our attention to learn and then understand - such becomes a tool in a school. ID and then start to look at what ideal scene could be. Test it, can it happen? If it can not, what HAS NOT yet been observed. Then motivate with joy and compassion, where the highest wisdom gained is the focus, the greatest amount of consciousness.. The joy quanta I believe are more powerful than the hate-conflict, they say love conquers fear, fear creates the pulling in separation from the Allness..

As we observe, the mind can not help but to "digest" things through symbolism, it's how the mind works. With you noticing the boys fingers in a certain signal position really doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, it happened, it can not be denied it happened, and you saw it. It is a part of the event.

If it wasn't intentional, were supernatural forces causing it and causing it to be noticed? Is it foolish to think supernatural energies or forces were not involved in at least some parts of the whole event? Is the whole event just filled with coincidences and meaningless other than it being just a simple peace offering? Personally, I think not, my intuition, mind, heart and soul does not accept it being a simple peace offering when I observe the event from many different angles and start connecting different cycles, patterns, and synchronicity to it.

The history of the Vatican perhaps influences us to see things a certain way, but why is that? Perhaps it is because history has proven that simply little peace offers coming out of the Vatican often have been contradictory to their actions and behaviors.......the deception over time from the Vatican becomes less effective and those observing closely having a degree of the "knowing" often times see's things to a certain degree for what they really are.

[Bob]

Bravo SilentFeathers.

BTW, There are as you predicted, articles appearing about possession.. spot on..

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Bobd (here)
Bravo SilentFeathers.

BTW, There are as you predicted, articles appearing about possession.. spot on..

Yeah, I seen the one from Indiana, just wait though, there soon will be several cases being mentioned in the MSM from all over the place.

[SilentFeathers]

Sacrificing doves one day, a rock star the next!!!!! LOL!

[Valle]

The "rigged" second coming are soon here??.. together with Project Blue Beam?

[raregem]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
FWIW...

Gypsy's/Tzigan's tradition as recounted by Pierre Derlon holds that humanity couldn't have chosen worse than doves for their symbol of peace... being the cruelest of animals in their books.

Also, the same tradition holds that "white" is the color that represents "death"... hence "sacrifice"... you know... white weddings... altar boys... etc....

Interesting. My dear Aunt volunteered at a Heritage house -in a small, historic town -outside of Austin, Tx.
There was a homemade wedding dress from the late 1800's with a small hand beaded, matching purse. Guess what color it was............B L A C K ........... . I was told wedding dresses used to be black and black represented the Christian GOD. Remember Johnnie Cash usually wore black? He was very Spiritual and honored God through his clothing.