Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[panopticon]

Fairly long article. Key points:

• Thai satellite has detected what appears to be about 300 objects in the ocean ~200km from the area the French satellite detected 100+ the other day.
• Pilots youngest son says that he does not believe his father deliberately crashed the plane.
• FBI are still analysing pilots flight simulator to recover deleted data (unknown whether results will be released).
• Bad weather has meant no air search today however ships have remained in the area, no objects recovered.

Almost forgot this really important bit:

The batteries powering the underwater ping only last 30 days and are due to run out on April 7.
Malaysia said on Tuesday that the locator would not arrive in the search area until April 5.

So only 2 days to actually detect the black box ping...

Not in this story but relevant was the report I heard on the wireless that in about 2 months wreckage will probably wash up on the West Coast of Tasmania as we're in the Southern Ocean current/roaring 40's.

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Thai satellite finds 300 floating objects in search for missing plane
ABC/Wires, 27th March 2013

Thailand has spotted 300 floating objects in the southern Indian Ocean during the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

The Boeing 777 is thought to have crashed on March 8 with the loss of 239 people, after flying thousands of kilometres off course.

Thailand's Geo-Informatics Space Technology Development Agency says the objects, ranging from two to 15 metres in size, were scattered over an area about 2,700 kilometres south-west of Perth.

This is within the search area for the plane and is not far from where other satellite images of possible debris have been taken.

"We detected floating objects, perhaps more than 300," Anond Snidvongs, the agency's executive directory, said.

"But we cannot - dare not - confirm they are debris from the plane."

The pictures were taken by Thailand's only Earth observation satellite on Monday but needed several days to process.

Mr Snidvongs says the information has been given to Malaysia.



The objects were spotted about 200 kilometres away from an area where French satellite images earlier showed potential objects in the search for the missing plane.

The French satellite detected more than 100 objects in an area about 2,500km south-west of Perth.

Those objects were in a 400-square-kilometre area and varied in length from one metre to 23 metres.

Captain's son dismisses speculation of intentional crash

Meanwhile, the youngest son of the pilot on the flight has dismissed speculation his father may have crashed the plane intentionally.

Ahmad Seth, son of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, said he knew what kind of man his father was.

"I've read everything online. But I've ignored all the speculation. I know my father better," Mr Ahmad, 26, was quoted by the New Straits Times as saying.

"We may not be close as he travels so much. But I understand him."

Mr Zaharie, 53, along with his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, has come under intense scrutiny after Malaysian authorities said flight MH370's disappearance on March 8 was due to "deliberate" action by someone on the plane.

Malaysian police have already questioned the family members of the pilots and other crew and seized a home-built flight simulator which Mr Zaharie installed in his house.

But they have not announced finding any evidence against him.

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation will complete its analysis of data deleted from the flight simulator "within a day or two", its director said on Wednesday in Washington.

FBI chief James Comey did not indicate whether the results of the analysis would be made public.

Bad weather hampers search

A bolstered international search team of 11 military and civilian aircraft and five ships criss-crossed the remote search site on Thursday morning but could not locate the possible debris.

A full-scale search was called off later in the day due to poor weather.

"Ships staying in search area [and] will attempt to continue searching but all planes returning. Bad weather expected for next 24 hours," the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) tweeted.

It is not known when the full search will resume.

One day had already been lost earlier this week because weather conditions were too dangerous, but the Bureau of Meteorology says the forecast for Friday is better.

Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak confirmed earlier this week that flight MH370 had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean, citing satellite-data analysis by British firm Inmarsat.

Australia is leading the search, with help from the United States, China, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea.

Recovery of wreckage could unlock clues about why and how the plane had diverted so far off course in one of aviation's most puzzling mysteries.

The US has sent equipment to Perth to help locate the so-called black box that recorded the flight's data, as well as the final two hours of chatter in the cockpit.

A US Navy "towed pinger locator" will be fitted to an Australian ship in Perth in the coming days.

Time is running out to find the bright orange-coloured box, which emits a ping in water that can be picked up from a depth of just over 4km.

The batteries powering the underwater ping only last 30 days and are due to run out on April 7.

Malaysia said on Tuesday that the locator would not arrive in the search area until April 5.

Source

[Atlas]

Posted by panopticon (here)
Captain's son dismisses speculation of intentional crash

Pilot of missing plane was his normal self the day before.

The pilot was in a jovial mood as usual the day before, according to fellow members of a club he belongs to. Capt Zaharie shared comical pictures on WhatsApp with fellow members Wahida Zamri, 27, and Nor Azana Hamid, 47, of the 'Kelab Peminat Mila AF5' or 'Da Voice of Mila (Davom).

This was conveyed by Wahida and Nor Azana who had known Zaharie through the club.

Wahida said Zaharie was a reserved individual but a helpful person who participated in the various activities organised by the club. "He had also joined an activity to collect funds to help the victims of the war in Gaza," the administrative assistant said, adding that Zaharie communicated within their WhatsApp group to share information and views on the club's activities.

Nor Azana, who claimed to have known Zaharie since 2007, said he was a highly experienced pilot with 33 years of service. "He has talked about how he trains new recruits. He has the talent to teach people," said the accountant.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...efore-1.504192

[SilentFeathers]

It's interesting how all these different countries are now finding small chucks of garbage floating in the Southern Indian Ocean now via satellite, but in the wee hours of March 8th they couldn't find or see a run-a-way Boeing 777 ?????????????

Thailand satellite finds 300 floating objects in missing Malaysian jet search

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by buares (here)

Posted by panopticon (here)
Captain's son dismisses speculation of intentional crash

Pilot of missing plane was his normal self the day before.

The pilot was in a jovial mood as usual the day before, according to fellow members of a club he belongs to. Capt Zaharie shared comical pictures on WhatsApp with fellow members Wahida Zamri, 27, and Nor Azana Hamid, 47, of the 'Kelab Peminat Mila AF5' or 'Da Voice of Mila (Davom).

This was conveyed by Wahida and Nor Azana who had known Zaharie through the club.

Wahida said Zaharie was a reserved individual but a helpful person who participated in the various activities organised by the club. "He had also joined an activity to collect funds to help the victims of the war in Gaza," the administrative assistant said, adding that Zaharie communicated within their WhatsApp group to share information and views on the club's activities.

Nor Azana, who claimed to have known Zaharie since 2007, said he was a highly experienced pilot with 33 years of service. "He has talked about how he trains new recruits. He has the talent to teach people," said the accountant.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...efore-1.504192

They basically have to blame the pilot(s) at this point to steer this whole thing away a bit from the top shelf conspiracy that is unfolding. The US already made it official that the pilot had to of had something to do with this.

Malaysia jet disappearance no accident, investigator says

[panopticon]

I spent a bit of time looking up this and thought it might be of use to some one else.

I was very confused as to why a plane would have so much extra fuel on board so went a looking.

The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air.
Source

Now the fuel capacity of a Boeing 777-200ER is 171,170 Litres (source) so what percentage of capacity were the planes tanks at?

Well I found conversion of 1 m^3 (1000 litres) = 704.4 kg (source).
So... Long story short it works out that around 70,000 litres was loaded which is about 40% of the total fuel capacity. (I just had another look at the conversion and I used aviation fuel in my conversion as opposed to aviation turbo fuel [which is 807.4 kg per m^3] so the actual tank would have held 61000 litres which is around 35% of capacity with aviation turbo fuel).

While this is in excess of the required fuel it isn't a great deal of fuel in relation to the capacity...

So why put extra fuel in the plane? This was what was bugging me and then I found in a forum (aviation forum I came across somewhere in my wanderings but lost the bloody link) someone mentioning that Malaysia Airlines routinely loads more fuel on flights to Beijing as it costs more to fuel up in Beijing than in Malaysia etc.

So, there's a possible explanation as to why the plane travelled further/longer than anticipated... Could also simply be that the pilot liked a bit more fuel in the tanks and routinely rounded it up...

Well, this may seem like a useless post but I thought if there was some other poor bugger out there wondering similar questions this might give em a place to start investimigatering.

Hope it was useful to someone.

-- Pan

[Operator]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Folks, this is highly strange. It was referenced by Jim Stone, and this is the source article that he quoted. It states that it is apparently known and provable that there is a clone of the MH-370 Boeing 777 sitting in Tel Aviv.

Presumably, if this is true, then the setup would be that the Israelis are planning to do something with the identical plane to frame the Iranians, and justify war.
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I think the scenario is plausible but has been averted ....

If this was the plan they would have executed it more precise and much sooner after the disappearance. At this moment
there is not enough evidence that the plane moved along the northern corridor and it is taking too long.
My guess is that they are aiming to end this debacle by finding debris along the southern corridor flightpath.

The reason why the story is developing so slowly is that there are too many eyes aimed at the potential crash areas to
stage a crash site now with the original parts of the plane to confirm the find. They might find a pinging beacon of a
black box that is irretrievable but enough to identify the plane.

Success rate of surprise attacks is highly dependable on timing and speed ... their window is closed by now.

[panopticon]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
It's interesting how all these different countries are now finding small chucks of garbage floating in the Southern Indian Ocean now via satellite, but in the wee hours of March 8th they couldn't find or see a run-a-way Boeing 777 ?????????????

Thailand satellite finds 300 floating objects in missing Malaysian jet search

Wonder if before March 7th they had directed their satellites to view the Southern Ocean they would have found the same amount of debris...

Reckon they probably would, just no-one would have given a buggar...

-- Pan

[SilentFeathers]

Going back over this thread you'd think we are a bunch of conspiracy theorists!!!!! LOL!

Seriously though, this thread may actually be a bit historical and an important record, as I'm pretty sure some important puzzle pieces are contained within it.

[Operator]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
Going back over this thread you'd think we are a bunch of conspiracy theorists!!!!! LOL!

Seriously though, this thread may actually be a bit historical and an important record, as I'm pretty sure some important puzzle pieces are contained within it.

What's wrong with that? Probably the bad connotation it already has ...
I think we're moving on ... maybe call it conspiracy analysts. I think that at least some pieces of the
analysis will hit some nails on the head. Even partially exposing those pieces may keep the evildoers at bay.
How functional is that for a change ...

[Atlas]

Possible Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft lands on Maldives beach

Mar 25, 2014:



A police media official said that the islanders had found the object, washed up on the southern beach of Baarah in Haa Alif Atoll sometime early in the evening. He also reported that police had responded immediately by arriving at the scene and in turn reporting to Maldives National Defense Force (MNDF).

"MNDF is now at the island and preparing its extraction", the official said. The MNDF spokesperson major Hussein Ali reported that they are now looking into this "unknown" object that had washed up onto Baarah Island. He did not give details.

Mar 26, 2014:

Residents of the island have assumed the object, which was found washed up at the beach on Monday, to be bomb or sea mine, but the Maldives National Defence Force (MNDF) on Wednesday said it was not an explosive device. But the army did not specify the nature of the object.

An experienced local aircraft engineer, who wished to remain anonymous, told Haveeru that the object is "very likely" to be a fire suppression bottle from an aircraft.


A fire bottle is actually a fire extinguisher that puts out a fire in the APU (Auxiliary power unit)

"But I'll have to see it in person and cross check the part number on it. Then only I'll be able to say which type of aircraft it belongs to," the aircraft engineer said.

Two other aircraft engineers and a Maldivian pilot working at a foreign airline also said that the object was "likely" a fire suppression bottle from an aircraft. However, they also decline to arrive at a conclusion unless they see the object in person.

According to a statement issued by MNDF, the suspicious object found on the beach had been assessed by a special MNDF team and they had found that it was not an explosive or dangerous.

However, MNDF had still not identified what it exactly is. The unknown object discovered is now under inspection at MNDF Northern Area (Northern Command of the Maldives National Defence Force)


(A fire suppression bottle of an aircraft)

At present, we dont know if it was used one or still have gas. The bottle's connection to missing flight and amount of gas in it could be a key to unlock the mystery behind the plane's disappearance.

Mar 27, 2014:

The spokesperson of the Maldives National Defence Force, Major Hussain Ali, has confirmed to Maldivesfinest that they are aware of the talk relating object with missing MH370.

When asked if the MNDF is in touch with Malaysian Authorities or the Airline, the spokesperson declined to confirm but said they are in touch with the 'relevant authorities'.

When requested to grant access to our staff to photograph the object, the officer declined to give that chance. But, its likely that the military would soon release an update.

We are monitoring the developments and will update the story when there is new information available.

[Hervé]

A lot more significant than any satellite photos especially after the eye witnesses from these islands reported a "Noisy, low flying, big commercial jet with an horizontal red stripe on it."

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
A lot more significant than any satellite photos especially after the eye witnesses from these islands reported a "Noisy, low flying, big commercial jet with an horizontal red stripe on it."

Yes it is:

It wouldn't surprise me if agents aren't right now planting 777 plane parts all over the surrounding area of the Indian Ocean to make this whole event even more confusing for everyone! LOL!

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

new Thursday 27th March 2014 at 06:49 By David Icke





‘Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in
storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155,
an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November
2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it
be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making?’

Read more: Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

http://www.bollyn.com/are-the-israel...e-missing-777/

According to Wikipedia Malaysian Airlines has a total of 14 Boeing 777 aircraft.

A researcher (conspiracy analyst) might ask Malaysian Airlines if one of their Boeing 777 aircraft has been parked in Tel Aviv, and if "yes", ask why?

[Tesseract]

I read on RT that the special black box detector has to pass within a mile of the black box itself to get a signal [this seems ludicrous to me given the sensitivity of acoustic-electronics, but it does fit with the apparent difficulty in locating these things]. If that is correct, the chances of them finding the black box in the 2 day window they may have is very small indeed.

[meat suit]

Posted by panopticon (here)
I spent a bit of time looking up this and thought it might be of use to some one else.

I was very confused as to why a plane would have so much extra fuel on board so went a looking.

The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air.
Source

Now the fuel capacity of a Boeing 777-200ER is 171,170 Litres (source) so what percentage of capacity were the planes tanks at?

Well I found conversion of 1 m^3 (1000 litres) = 704.4 kg (source).
So... Long story short it works out that around 70,000 litres was loaded which is about 40% of the total fuel capacity. (I just had another look at the conversion and I used aviation fuel in my conversion as opposed to aviation turbo fuel [which is 807.4 kg per m^3] so the actual tank would have held 61000 litres which is around 35% of capacity with aviation turbo fuel).

While this is in excess of the required fuel it isn't a great deal of fuel in relation to the capacity...

So why put extra fuel in the plane? This was what was bugging me and then I found in a forum (aviation forum I came across somewhere in my wanderings but lost the bloody link) someone mentioning that Malaysia Airlines routinely loads more fuel on flights to Beijing as it costs more to fuel up in Beijing than in Malaysia etc.

So, there's a possible explanation as to why the plane travelled further/longer than anticipated... Could also simply be that the pilot liked a bit more fuel in the tanks and routinely rounded it up...

Well, this may seem like a useless post but I thought if there was some other poor bugger out there wondering similar questions this might give em a place to start investimigatering.

Hope it was useful to someone.

-- Pan

talked with a pilot a while back, and he said they always carry more in case of wind direction changes... it can make a massive difference if you fly against the wind rather than with it...., or if they end up going round and round a waiting loop at the destination airport etc.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Dahboo777 (backup channel for Dahboo77) also has a report on this plane, including some details of the purchase and location of it now in Tel Aviv:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wWYANJzVJvY

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Operator (here)
If this was the plan they would have executed it more precise and much sooner after the disappearance.

Unless, perhaps, it -was- their plan, but then something went awry, and they had to abandon their plan before finishing it.

(I am imagining Russian President Putin being shown some data from his satellites and giving Israeli President Shimon Peres a friendly little call <grin>.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
ADDED: If Dahboo is correct, Israel does have a like jet in their possession.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wWYANJzVJvY

Aha - you beat me to it by several hours.

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
... if a plan was in the works for Israel to frame Iran, well, the mission may of already been aborted.

...

Personally I would have to say it is very time sensitive if a huge event was planned with this plane, the window may have been missed.

Yup.

[SilentFeathers]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
ADDED: If Dahboo is correct, Israel does have a like jet in their possession.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wWYANJzVJvY

Aha - you beat me to it by several hours.

Posted by SilentFeathers (here)
... if a plan was in the works for Israel to frame Iran, well, the mission may of already been aborted.

...

Personally I would have to say it is very time sensitive if a huge event was planned with this plane, the window may have been missed.

Yup.

I'm really surprised they haven't "found" a piece of this jet yet to show every one, must still be some behind the scenes bickering going on

[Operator]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Looks like David saw the same thing or read Bills post...LOL

Dahboo777 (backup channel for Dahboo77) also has a report on this plane, including some details of the purchase and location of it now in Tel Aviv:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wWYANJzVJvY

If you click on the links in the description of the video and follow through you end up here:
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/GA-Telesis the owner seems to be GA Telesis LLC a US company ...

They're a global company and yet the page http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/GA-Telesis displays
that this company currently has a fleet of only 1 stored plane ... ? Weird indeed.