Avoiding the New Age "Flytrap", and staying Mainstream

[GuyFox]

Avoiding the New Age "Flytraps", and staying Mainstream




Dr Courtney Brown has described the "fly-trapping" phenomenon well:

Those who manipulate news flows (you can call them TPTB, The Powers That Be), like to dispose of potentially damaging news sources, by shuntle-ing them aside, out of the mainstream, and into the New Age "flytrap", where they can be ignored, and treated as "not serious".

Here's A SUMMARY of what he actually said in his Implications postings:
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#8 : The best place to hide information is in plain sight, protected by the risk of ridicule
#9 : Control over the masses is maintained by authorizing what information is accepted as "real"
#18 : TPTB maintain authority through ownership and control of media; denying access to dissenters
#22 : Flytraps are set up by TPTB capture and disarm critical new ideas; Seek what is revolutionary and life-affirming

(These are my summaries, for the full text check: a GEI thread, or a Youtube Video)

Dr Brown has been doing his best to get his research on Remote Viewing out of the Flytrap, and back into the mainstream.

His recent "over-promotion" (many would call it that) of some impressive RV viewing results on the Great Pyramid, got him much attention, and then many negative comments after the 3/15 Announcement, in the alternative media - but so far "bought" him limited attention within the MSM.

Is there a better way?

Perhaps there is. And, if there is, we can find that way, and discuss it on this thread.
Or perhaps we will just have to wait for the MSM to be ready for more controversial topics.

A risk that Brown fears, is that of having his efforts seen as being a purely New Age phenomenon, and therefore one that "should" not be taken seriously by the MSM.

[jackovesk]

There's an easy answer to your question GuyFox...

Just like the (Corrupt Politicians), the MSM aren't going anywhere until they are (Forced) too...

It really cracks me up the way the MSM are hopelessly trying to rescue their sinking ship of relevance when they post 40+ year old Conspiracy Theories to try and wrestle their readership back who have had enough of the lies and left for good...

Try this Decade's Old Conspiracy they decided to report on, 40+ years too late...

RFK must die...Was Sirhan Sirhan hypnotically programmed to kill Bobby Kennedy?
http://www.theage.com.au/tv/investig...e-5000101.html

PS - Exactly who are they trying to kid...

Is there a better way?

IMHO, not really...

The MSM is dead and they know it, so to suggest that we need to engage them to print more Truth is a furphy in of itself...

[GuyFox]

Jacko.,
I agree with you. And I think most folks on Project-Av. would too.
But we are all "in the choir", so to speak.

Dr Brown, and many others with "new" ideas want to reach that Majority out there who are still "asleep on their sofas".

A risk that Brown fears, and he has spoken and written about, is that of having his efforts seen as being a purely New Age phenomenon,
and therefore one that "should" not be taken seriously by the MSM. Of course, this is exactly what TPTB wants. In fact, Brown believes that the elites SET UP FLYTRAPS to capture new ideas and hold them in a place where they can be ignored by the Sleeping Majority, and the MSM.

Dr Courtney Brown spoke in detail about flytrapping in a recent podcast

(44:35 minutes in : "The message is stuck in the new age community"):

The Fenton Perpective Lorien Fenton guest Courtney Brown 2014 03 24

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iprlPHQBozs

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I totally "get" his point. And I think, without knowing it, he has coined a very useful new term: "Flytrapping"

This describes how the Flytraps established by the mainstream "grab" hold of a new and controversial idea and suck the potency out of it, be associating it with a group of "crazies".

I certainly do NOT regard Project Avalon as a Flytrap. Bill Ryan has served the world and our community well be setting up a community like this, with built in disciplines.

Here are some sites and/or movements that I do tend to think of as ...

Probable FLYTRAPS:
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+ Godlike Productions,
+ The OPPT "movement"
+ Swiss Indo

Maybe a mission of this thread might be to identify Flytrap sites, and help to shed light on how the flytrapping phenomenon is operating.

(Here's Dr Brown's main post about Flytraps):

Implications Posting #22:
Beware of “flytrap” organizations, media outlets, and people. When people become interested in new ideas that may threaten the credibility of an established authority in the eyes of the masses, the role of “flytraps” is to lead such people into unproductive settings. “Flytraps” spin your wheels, but you don’t go anywhere….

[AutumnW]

This is really interesting. Thank you so much for posting this. We really do have to be careful. Just out of curiosity, how do we know Courtney Brown isn't a flytrap? Not accusing, just curious.

[GuyFox]

I do not think Courtney, nor Farsight, is a Flytrap...

Because:

+ He is approaching his subject as a genuine truth-teller, looking for evidence

+ He is willing to let his search for evidence meet the test of reality, and be proven wrong

+ His examination of the evidence seems valid, not just relying on what "feels right"

The three I have identified as Flytraps meet none of these tests.
Just try presenting the OPPT or Swiss-Indo people with evidence about how much wealth exists in the world, and see how far you get.

I think "flytraps" in the New Age movement rely heavily on what Mark Passio has called: "New Age Bull****"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q51l_E8Tlp0

[Operator]

I have mixed feelings about this because he's using polarizing words and ideas, they confuse me ....

He divides the world in Main Stream and New Age. First of all I don't like that by this measure PA
would also be in category New Age but secondly it implies that the situation is hopeless.
When information gets out via MSM they will lie and misinform etc. If it gets out via New Age it will
be ridiculed and neglected. So what's the point? Besides via which channels did he bring out his
announcement? And how is that going to help him?

The way he did this made him being ridiculed even in the New Age channels ...

Here's by the way his latest email:

Hi Everyone,
We have begun the interview phase of our major announcement. Remember that my role at The Farsight Institute is to explain to the public what we do in our experiments. I hope some of you get a chance to listen to some of these interviews. Also, we have the latest Farsight Chronicles by Vic Guiza!
Warmly,
Courtney Brown, Ph.D., Director
The Farsight Institute

Interviews from this past week:

Here is an interview that I just gave with Phoenix Rising.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/phoenix3333/2014/03/23/special-dr-courtney-brown-of-the-farsight-institute

Here is an interview that I just gave with Lorien Fenton on Revolution Radio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iprlPHQBozs

Here is an interview that I had with Mel Fabregas on Veritas Radio.
http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2014/03mar/VS-140327-cbrown.php

Here is an interview that I had with René Barnett on LA Talk Radio.
http://www.latalkradio.com/archives/Rene-032714.mp3

And here is the latest Farsight Chronicles by Vic Guiza! Click on the graphic to see the larger version that is easier to read.

I guess Courtney needs help from professionals and he can use all the help he can get.

[GuyFox]

I see what you mean.

It does seem like Courtney Brown is doing himself no favors by talking about New Age flytraps, because most of his supporters are on non-MSM websites. Is he insulting his supporters? It may seem that way to some. I did think it a bit odd that he seemed to be doing that on Lorien Fenton's show, with some serious risk of alienating her audience who must have been thinking: "Is he telling us that we should not being taken seriously by people in the mainstream?"

I think he would do better to use the more nuanced approach of Mark Passio, distinguishing between those Alternative media sites and hosts who like to back their arguments with more "scientific" evidence (the Left-brained approach), and are not totally relying upon Right-brained intuition - ie just what "resonates."

My opinion is that too many New Agers get behind new ideas because they are hearing what they want to hear, and they then reject arguments which are opposed to the ideas they favor, WITHOUT bothering to examine the evidence. This destroys their credibility with Left brained folk, who prefer to test ideas against evidence. Clearly, Courtney Brown does want his ideas to be supported by evidence - and I have never seen him write or speak the phrase with truly irritates the Left-brainers and the MSM: "this resonated with me."

I am not totally sure how to characterize PA within this system of classification. What would people say? Do Avalonians prefer the "whole brained" approach (as described by Marc Passio) to a reliance on pure intuition?

[Agape]

I think it's incredibly easy ( for some ) . Do you want to swim in the mainstream ? Get a job .. in one of those Big Banks nearby . Start getting up everyday by 7 am latest , rush yourself to the office and spend endless hours on learning and furthering the marketing mentality .
Of course it's not all about it . As mainstream alternative , start a website .. start selling your products .
It does not matter what you have to offer, whether you call yourself science expert or fortune teller , your mainstream capacity is judged according to how much are people buying you , and your product .

If you're 'quiet genius' of any sort you may be the best in something in the whole world but no one will care for you unless you're willing to sell yourself .

Once people start buying to your philosophy or T-shirts , get couple of thousands of hits on your social media page .. it's absolutely irrelevant who you've been before or what are you really advertising .
You've been 'bought' by the 'mainstream' . Congratulate yourself and run


Disclaimer : This is NOT an advice . Children , do not read it .


Personally .. as long as truth is concerned .. mainstream is not an option the same way as most alternative communities are not a valid option .

If you're genuine truth seeker, science expert or fortune teller , you can't care less to be bought .

[GuyFox]

"Get a job... " - I see what you mean = Get compromised, Go Mainstream

Not many in the Fringe area make a decent living.

I was trying to think about those who carry Fringe material, and still make a decent living.

That might be sites like:

+ Coast-to-coast
+ Ancient Aliens
+ Alex Jones / Prison Planet

Have these sources "sold out"?
Some would say so - but they still provide useful information, even if compromised.

But they seem to know the limits. As an example: C2C fired John B Wells, seeming because he strayed into areas which made C2C sponsors uncomfortable, like his criticism of Obama.

The good news is that John B has re-emerged with his own website and a new show: http://CaravanToMidnight.com

He has a growing audience, and decent income (it seems) from those who subscribe to his site.

Is John B MSM? No, not with the guests and views he presents
Is John B a "sellout"? I would say: certainly not

In this recent show, he talks with his guest about how Mainstream Media works:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=goC1f5Uc9XY

"On the mainstream media, people do not get a picture of the truth" - from the guy who wrote Pirates of Manhattan.
"Things began to deteriorate (in the economy) when Nixon took the country off the Gold standard in 1971... we no longer have an honest measure."

[gnostic9]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
"Get a job... " - I see what you mean = Get compromised, Go Mainstream

Not many in the Fringe area make a decent living.

I was trying to think about those carry Fringe material, and still make a decent living.




That might be sites like:

+ Coast-to-coast
+ Ancient Aliens
+ Alex Jones / Prison Planet

Have these sources "sold out"?
Some would say so - but they still provide useful information, even if compromised.

But they seem to know the limits. As an example: C2C fired John B Wells, seeming because he strayed into areas which made C2C sponsors uncomfortable, like his criticism of Obama.

The good news is that John B has re-emerged with his own website and a new show: http://CaravanToMidnight.com

He has a growing audience, and decent income (it seems) from those who subscribe to his site.

Is John B MSM? No, not with the guests and views he presents
Is John B a "sellout"? I would say: certainly not

In this recent show, he talks with his guest about how Mainstream Media works:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=goC1f5Uc9XY

"On the mainstream media, people do not get a picture of the truth" - from the guy who wrote Pirates of Manhattan.
"Things began to deteriorate (in the economy) when Nixon took the country off the Gold standard in 1971... we no longer have an honest measure."

Hi guyfox! left v right, msm v alternative, same thing. money? does this define how we see? The answers are inside, without division. there are no opposites! We should be beyond this!

[Selene]

I think a big part of this is redefining – or reinterpreting – what is now actually “mainstream”. I think the [main]stream has shifting its course, bigtime and permanently.

Now, the early flow pattern data may be tentative - XX% decline in viewers/readership for CNN, XX% increase in ‘don’t trust MSM’ polls -etc. But given the size and strength of the river, these alterations in course are significant and enduring.

We are making significant changes in people’s ideas, beliefs and attitudes.

And this matters, bigtime. Over the course of history, much more has been accomplished with much less. The paradigm breakdown has more than begun; it is now palpable and tangible. It is real.

Be careful what you wish for, friends. The new world is truly yours to create. Think carefully with your hearts, and deeply.

Cheers,

Selene

[GuyFox]

Posted by gnostic9 (here)
Hi guyfox! left v right, msm v alternative, same thing. money? does this define how we see?
The answers are inside, without division. there are no opposites! We should be beyond this!

Gnostic, I PARTLY agree with this.

I would say: the answers are only partially inside.
Once you have been "informed" by your internal intuition, it is of great importance to seek external verification.
And by that, I do not mean going to the MSM, and checking what they are saying.
But rather, I mean going to the actual raw evidence, if you can. The data itself, not what the MSM has said about it.

I have met far too many people in New Age and alternative world, who seem to have NO interest in actual data,
or verifiable fact.

Courtney Brown IS interested in verifiable facts, and that is much to his credit.

Groups like OPPT and Swiss Indo seem to have NO interest in the facts - goodness knows, many have tried to confront them with those.

I think Dr Brown is right to call a flytrap, those New Age sources who happily discredit themselves in the mainstream, by have little or no interest in verifiable facts.

As Selene says in her post, many MSM sources are also discrediting themselves, and losing an audience, because they also ignore inconvenient evidence and the testimony of witnesses who question the official story.

In the end, it should all come do to who can muster the best facts, and maybe ordinary people will re-learn the importance of this!

[Agape]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
"Get a job... " - I see what you mean = Get compromised, Go Mainstream

Not many in the Fringe area make a decent living.

I was trying to think about those carry Fringe material, and still make a decent living.

That might be sites like:

+ Coast-to-coast
+ Ancient Aliens
+ Alex Jones / Prison Planet

Have these sources "sold out"?
Some would say so - but they still provide useful information, even if compromised.

Not necessarily , I see your point but they're exceptions compared to the overall 'mainstream media' mentality .

Example - Ancient Aliens : it's very well done , the quality of video production and content is very high , so also enjoyable . Someone had to pay that ..

When Milles Johnston wanted to push some of their abduction research related materials ( from the Ammach Project and Bases ) to mainstream TV so it's actually seen and heard and becomes common knowledge ,
they were allowed to do one hour documentary portraying about 4 witnesses ( including Simon Parkes ) that was later judged by most as 'mockery' .
Of course they had to be 'bought' by the Channel4 TV because they could not have sponsored the same standard equipment ( even Miles who has professional cameras and decades of TV production experience ) .

That these programs do exist within the MSM is a good sign, sign of freedom. The society is fluid and should be fluid .. except for countries with tightly controlled systems where you simply won't find any such broad minded programs on any of their national TVs or radio networks .

Yet , even in those so called 'free countries' there are monopolies in the organisation of media ( and about everything big and 'mainstream' , that's why I've specifically mentioned 'Big Banks' ..not just 'get any job' ) who control how many 'alternatives' do they allow .

What seems to be 'freedom' to you is unfortunately , still part of controlled monopoly .

I have quite few friends who work in the media , in some capacity and they all speak of the same , the philosophy behind the open market is aggressive .
We have had a friend who shot spiritual oriented and travel documentaries all around the world and had a 'fixed' place in 'Program2' TV where he shared space and was basically 'tolerated' by what he called 'Christian monopoly' and it again , had limited time .
The problem is .. he was almost the only one they allowed . He was there doing his job , quietly , producing documentaries what they judged is 'beyond interest' of average viewer , keeping head low .
If you approached him, lets say , with whistleblower testimony , they way people approach Kerry Cassidy, he'd say 'no'. He was not on par with journalist ethics as I see it and very few of them are.

The MSM philosophy is simple .. they seek to satisfy 'the average ' . That's what you call mainstream after all, average populace . Average populace does not ask for either too much science, philosophy or spiritual upliftment .

That's why there are alternatives . There are many programs on MSM TV that satisfy 'target audience' like Sports Channel for example , it does not mean that everyone is interested in it ..but .. it's enough people who are .

Media people say ..that even if you invited very interesting , well educated guest/s and have two hour deep philosophical debate with them about nature of life and all those nagging questions ,
most of your 'viewers' start switching off TV after 10 minutes .. Maybe 10% will hold on to the second hour, probably not even that .

[GuyFox]

"It really cracks me up the way the MSM are hopelessly trying to rescue their sinking ship of relevance..."

Your are right about that, Jackovest - Look at these articles :

1/
http://www.hangthebankers.com/cnn-an...s-in-one-year/

CNN and MSNBC lose almost half their viewers in one year

27 Nov 2013


2 /
http://www.infowars.com/msm-collapsi...s-own-writers/

MSM Collapsing: NY Times Now “Irrelevant,” According to its Own Writers

Opinion pieces have no impact on public discourse as statist media sinks

February 5, 2014

[genevieve]

Guyfox--
What makes you say the OPPT is a flytrap and has no interest in facts?
Did you read The Paradigm Report? Seemed factual to me.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[GuyFox]

"What makes you say the OPPT is a flytrap and has no interest in facts"

Every single fact they are presented with, they cannot answer with any better evidence.

As a starter:
+ There's no evidence that banks have lost control of their assets (they were supposedly foreclosed upon by UCC filings)
+ There never was any evidence that there was sufficient wealth in the world to hand people $5 Million, let alone the $5 Billion Heather claimed would be handed out one years ago - actual wealth per person on the planet is under $50,000 per person
+ The documents they were supposed to allow people to "access their value" did not work
+ Many people using CN's lost their homes, or wound up losing court cases
+ After a year of "educating the world", most of the OPPT dream team is now in Morocco begging for money for their latest project

Sources:
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QL : http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/view...php?f=6&t=9038
HQ : http://z13.invisionfree.com/HARD_Qs/...#entry22153184

In fact, I cannot see evidence that ANY of their fantasies worked out for anyone. And if you present the facts (above) to the dwindling band of followers, they have no answer for you.

[Synchronicity]

I think if Courtney wanted to be seen as legitimate by mainstream scientists he would have needed to do a scientific study with double blinds and enough participants to be valid, standard techniques, and he would have needed to present results with evidence and a review of all test parameters and procedures, results, and controls to the scientific community. Any scientist who builds up to announcements and presents something he says is most important because it is "theatrical", uses two men performing a test that has results no one can verify, releases snippets of results with a video pitch, doesn't release it in a valid scientific journal or venue, but instead decides anyone who disagrees with him is "noise" and that he won't release the rest of his "announcement" because of the "noise", which consisted of people who were annoyed that he didn't release evidence and that there was no group around the world or understanding why so many were annoyed in the first place, isn't going to be taken seriously by many people, much less mainstream science or even the media.

Whether his heart is good or his intent is good isn't the point. Presentation does matter. Arrogance turns people off. Not providing evidence gets you called new age or a kook. I'm not calling him a kook, but he just plain handled it in a way that wasn't scientific and then got upset that people didn't like the presentation or lack of facts and evidence. I haven't listened to his interviews, but I do know he has tried to get on many shows, and it appears wasn't asked to be on some that he wanted to be on.

RV works. Does it work for the far back past? We don't know yet. But if you want to be treated like a scientist then you have to act like one. This wasn't anyone dismissing him or sabotaging him. This was his presentation and a demonstration of how easy it is to get caught up in your need for approval and passions to an extent that you don't hear the honest feedback or keep your eye on your goal. I am not bashing him. I have watched this situation unfold and have spoken with him about the project and his passion more than once. I saw this coming and wish that it hadn't happened this way, but the reality is this isn't about anything but his own choices. I wish him the best and I hope RV gets more scientific credibility.

[GuyFox]

Posted by Synchronicity (here)
I think if Courtney wanted to be seen as legitimate by mainstream scientists he would have needed to do a scientific study...

Whether his heart is good or his intent is good isn't the point. Presentation does matter. Arrogance turns people off. Not providing evidence gets you called new age or a kook. I'm not calling him a kook, but he just plain handled it in a way that wasn't scientific and then got upset that people didn't like the presentation or lack of facts and evidence. I haven't listened to his interviews, but I do know he has tried to get on many shows, and it appears wasn't asked to be on some that he wanted to be on.

RV works. Does it work for the far back past?
We don't know yet. But if you want to be treated like a scientist then you have to act like one. This wasn't anyone dismissing him or sabotaging him. This was his presentation and a demonstration of how easy it is to get caught up in your need for approval and passions to an extent that you don't hear the honest feedback or keep your eye on your goal. I am not bashing him. I have watched this situation unfold and have spoken with him about the project and his passion more than once. I saw this coming and wish that it hadn't happened this way, but the reality is this isn't about anything but his own choices. I wish him the best and I hope RV gets more scientific credibility.

An interesting post. But not completely On Topic on this thread.
Where did anyone on this thread argue: "Courtney Brown's heart was in the right place."

Dr Brown himself made that argument in his interview with Veritas :
http://www.veritasradio.com/guests/2...327-cbrown.php
"This was a Hail Mary pass... we need the money to keep 'serious' Remote Viewing research alive." (I am paraphrasing here.)
I am sympathetic to that argument, but I did not make it on this thread.

As to Brown, "acting like a scientist": Because the Farsight institute operates on a shoestring, he does many jobs for it other than being the chief scientist. He does the editing and the PR strategy. I think he does the editing rather well, given the small budget that he had to work with. But I think he botched the PR strategy. He got plenty of attention; sure. But the very impressive results he got with this RV study of the Great Pyramid, are NOT what people are talking about. Instead, everyone seems to be focused on how he over-promised, and under-delivered. This is NOT the way to build credibility.

I have a new idea for Dr Brown. Now that he has everyone talking about his approach, he should SHIFT his strategy, while they are still talking and still paying attention to him. Here's my idea:

He should ASK HIS AUDIENCE for suggestions on the next project. And then: allow those who are interested to Buy a Vote (on which project to pursue next) with their donations. Maybe each $5 or $10 contribution might be associated with one vote. In addition, he can give a "free" vote to everyone who buys a video through his website.



This would transform the energy around him, and direct the intense energy around him in a positive way, that would help save and expand Farsight. It would be a sort of "jujutsu"* move.

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*"Jutsu" can be translated to mean "art" or "technique" and represents manipulating the opponent's force against himself rather than confronting it with one's own force