Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Gardener]

Its my understanding that in all radio communication you identify your call sign. In this case M360.
The 'alright goodnight' was not identifying.

[Gardener]

Pardon my ignorance but from the position of the satelite, the plane would be moving closer to the satelite if it took the route towards the Indian ocean. Clearly I am not undestanding something fundamental, but the last and latest handshake as it moved away from the satelite would be as it headed in northern arc towards Khazastan.

Posted by buares (here)
http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/0...ng-conclusion/

What was not stated initially by Inmarsat or the investigators was that each of the hourly arcs is further away from the satellite than the previous one. In other words the plane was moving away from the satellite continuously from sometime soon after the 2.11am ping.

[panopticon]

Missing Malaysia Airlines jet: Malaysia releases MH370 transcript
AFP. April 1, 2014 - 9:43PM


The shadow of a Royal New Zealand Air Force P3 Orion can be seen on low-level clouds as it flies over the southern Indian Ocean looking for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370. Photo: Reuters

* Full transcript of communications between MH370 pilots and air traffic control

Malaysian authorities on Tuesday released the full transcript of communications between the pilots of missing Flight MH370 and air traffic controllers, saying the exchanges showed nothing unusual.

"There is no indication of anything abnormal in the transcript," a statement by Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said.

The 43 separate transmissions over nearly 54 minutes are thick with air-traffic and navigational jargon and give no hint of trouble aboard the ill-fated plane, which disappeared en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 with 239 people aboard.

The transcript concludes with Malaysian air traffic control first bidding MH370 "good night", as it instructs the pilots next to contact controllers in Vietnam, over which the plane was due to fly.

The final entry from just after 1:19 am comes from one of the two MH370 pilots, who says "good night, Malaysian three seven zero".

The plane disappeared from radar shortly after and is yet to be found, though Malaysia now believes it was deliberately diverted and flew on for hours to the Indian Ocean, where it is presumed to have crashed.

The transcript - and particularly the final words from MH370 - have been the subject of much speculation following earlier statements by authorities and the airline that the last transmission from the plane was a casual "All right, good night".

That apparent non-standard sign-off fuelled speculation that one of the pilots - either Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, or First Officer Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27 - diverted the plane on purpose.

Under pressure to clarify the matter, the government corrected the final words late on Monday but until now had not released a full transcript.

Tuesday's statement said the transcript was "initially held as part of the police investigation", but gave no other reason for the delay.

Malaysia Airlines had said previously that the last words were believed uttered by First Officer Fariq, but the statement said the ongoing investigation was yet to confirm that.

Source

[Cidersomerset]

Flight 370 reality check: A Boeing 777 doesn’t disappear unless governments want it to disappear

Tuesday 1st April 2014 at 04:45 By David Icke





‘As the conventional news coverage of Flight 370 becomes increasingly delusional
and detached from reality, for the sake of all those families and loved ones still
suffering I thought it important to publish a reality check that can help bring the
discussion back to some common sense.

Let’s cover five indisputable facts about governments, radar and aircraft:’


Fact #1) Every modern nation tracks air traffic with military radar systems

All the key nations involved in Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 run military radar
systems 24/7. This includes Malaysia and India, of course. These radar systems are
operated for purposes of national defense, making sure each nation can identify
aircraft entering its air space.

If you don't believe that military-grade radar systems can track the altitude,
direction and speed of a Boeing 777, then you don't believe in radar at all.

Fact #2) Every modern nation runs civilian air traffic control "passive" radar
systems that work even without aircraft transponders

Beyond the military radar, modern nations also run air traffic control radar systems
which work in both "active" (transponder) modes and "passive" mode (requiring no
transponder). Although civilian air traffic control systems are generally not as
powerful or accurate as military systems, they are nonetheless fully capable of
detecting and tracking a Boeing 777.

In fact, as any air traffic controller will tell you, their radar systems are fully
capable of tracking flocks of birds and other airborne objects which are far smaller
than a Boeing 777.

Fact #3) A Boeing 777 has a massive radar signature

Unless equipped with some sort of exotic technology we've never heard of -- like a
radar "invisibility cloak" borrowed from the Klingons of Star Trek -- a Boeing 777
has a massive radar signature. The cylindrical fuselage, curved wings and surface
controls (flaps, ailerons, rudder) all reflect radar waves with very high efficiency. A
commercial Boeing aircraft is not a stealth bomber.

The explanation that this Boeing 777 "vanished" from radar simply doesn't hold
water. And if the explanation is that "the pilot flew the aircraft at very low elevation
to evade radar," then it makes no sense that the pilot would carry out this complex
evasion for 4-7 hours and then plunge the aircraft into the Indian Ocean.

Furthermore, a suicidal pilot has no need to evade radar in the first place! If he
wanted to crash the plane, he could have done it immediately after takeoff, or at
any point during the first few minutes of flight. There is no need to evade radar if
you wish to consciously crash the aircraft.

Fact #4) Boeing 777 aircraft cannot survive a collision with the ocean and remain intact

One of the most ridiculous theories currently being floated around the mainstream
media -- and written by journalists who apparently have no education in
fundamental physics or flight mechanics -- is that Flight 370 "crashed" into the
Indian Ocean and somehow magically remained fully intact!

Although it's comforting to think that airplanes are made of incredibly strong steel
that can withstand high-velocity impacts with bodies of water, the far more
sobering truth is that aircraft are flimsy structures made primarily of aluminum.
Aircraft are not rigid; they flex and bend, even during flight. If you've ever watched
the wings during flight, you've no doubt noticed that they have a surprisingly wide
range of movement, almost as if the wings are flapping. An aircraft fuselage moves,
bends, expands and compresses due to changes in temperature, ambient pressure
and structural stress.

A large commercial aircraft that crashes into water simply cannot remain intact.
While there are some miraculous water landings where skilled pilots were able
to "land" aircraft on water thanks to near-stall speeds, flaps and amazing flying
skills, a full-speed crash into water can never result in the aircraft remaining fully
intact. The nose, wings, fuselage and tail would all be torn apart by impact with a
body of water.

Even many attempted "water landings" still result in huge structural failures of the
aircraft, as seen in this photo of a relatively gentle water landing of a flight headed for Bali:



An actual crash into water would produce a massive amount of debris, including
seats, bodies and other debris easy to spot from satellite imagery or rescue
searches.

Fact #5) A vanishing of Flight 370 would have taken the cooperation of governments

Here's the most astonishing fact of all: because of all the facts stated above, the
vanishing of Flight 370 must have required intentional planning and action from at
least one government (and possibly more). Somebody is covering up the truth of
what happened to MH370, and it looks almost certain that the Malaysian
government is part of this cover-up, as I previously reported.

The mainstream media is extremely reluctant to ever report on any sort of
government cover-up, preferring to pretend that governments are always
transparent and honest with the people of the world. Although such an idea is
utterly laughable, it remains the default position of the conventional media. That's
why the media prefers to run with other theories such as "pilot suicide" or "flight
accident," neither of which withstand scrutiny of the facts. (Case in point: If it
crashed into the ocean, the black boxes would have been transmitting their location
for weeks now, and they would be easy to find.)

World governments routinely lie and deceive the public, of course. As a simple
example of that, the U.S. government has now been exposed as spying on all the
other governments of the world with an above-top-secret NSA spy program
revealed by Edward Snowden. Before his revelations, anyone suggesting the
government was "listening to your phone calls" was immediately called a crackpot
by the clueless conventional media. Now, of course, we all have come to realize
that the NSA really is recording all your phone calls, text messages, social media
posts and financial transactions. This is no longer a secret. It's not a conspiracy
theory. It's business as usual at the highest levels of government. And yes, it's
wildly illegal, but it goes on nonetheless.

That's why the idea that a government "couldn't possibly have lied about Flight
370" is preposterous. Of course a government could lie about Flight 370. It is far
harder for any government to tell the truth than to lie, in fact. And the government
of Malaysia no more adheres to truth and transparency than the U.S. government,
the Russian government or even the government of China. All governments
routinely lie to the public almost by default. To expect a government to tell you the
truth about anything is to live in fantasy land.

But if you are crazy enough to believe that governments never lie, then I'm happy
to report to you that Obamacare now has 6 million enrollees who have all paid their
insurance premiums, the national debt of the USA is rapidly shrinking by the hour,
nobody in Washington D.C. ever abuses power, the gun-running conspiracy by
California Democratic Senator Leland Yee never happened and your tax dollars are
always put to a positive purpose for the betterment of society.


Conclusion
Flight 370 most likely did not crash; it was almost certainly taken over (possibly by
remote control) and flown to a destination with all passengers alive and the aircraft
in one piece.

What happens from there is anyone's guess, but the most likely use of such a
stolen aircraft is to turn it into a massive airborne weapons delivery system to be
outfitted with biological, chemical or nuclear weapons. Believe me when I say this is
the real scenario being discussed behind closed doors at the Pentagon. The "pilot
suicide" explanation is merely the sucker's version of events for public
consumption.

Stay informed



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[Operator]

Posted by Gardener (here)
Pardon my ignorance but from the position of the satelite, the plane would be moving closer to the satelite if it took the route towards the Indian ocean. Clearly I am not undestanding something fundamental, but the last and latest handshake as it moved away from the satelite would be as it headed in northern arc towards Khazastan.

I was looking at the same thing, now realizing that the plane apparently flew away from the satellite. But on that map
the southern corridor seems still possible. The conclusion I made was that, if this data is correct, it could not have possibly
flown toward Diego Garcia.

Posted by buares (here)
http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2014/0...ng-conclusion/

What was not stated initially by Inmarsat or the investigators was that each of the hourly arcs is further away from the satellite than the previous one. In other words the plane was moving away from the satellite continuously from sometime soon after the 2.11am ping.

[treeman]

A very good piece with great questions raised....by Matthias Chang.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/disappe...rvices/5375780

Lets us begin.

1) Was the plane ordered to turn back, if so who gave the order?

2) Was the plane turned back manually or by remote control?

3) If the latter, which country or countries have the technologies to execute such an operation?

4) Was MH 370 weaponised before its flight to Beijing?

5) If so, what are the likely methods for such a mission – Biological weapons, dirty bombs?

6) Was Beijing / China the target and if so why?

7) Qui Bono?

8) The time sequence of countries identifying the alleged MH 370 debris in the Indian ocean was first made by Australia followed by France, Thailand, Japan, and Britain via Immarsat. Why did US not offer any satellite intelligence till today?

9) Prior to the switch of focus to the Indian ocean, was the SAR mission in the South China seas, used as a cover for the deployment of undersea equipment to track and monitor naval capabilities of all the nations’ navies competing for ownership of disputed territorial waters? Reuters as quoted above seems to have suggested such an outcome.



10) Why was there been no focus, especially by foreign mass media, on the intelligence and surveillance capabilities of Diego Garcia, the strategic naval and air base of the US?

11) Why no questions were asked whether the flight path of MH 370 (if as alleged it crashed in the Indian Ocean), was within the geographical parameters of the Intelligence capabilities of Diego Garcia? Why were no planes deployed from Diego Garcia to intercept the “Unidentified” plane which obviously would pose a threat to the Diego Gracia military base?

12) The outdated capabilities of the Hexagon satellite system deployed by the US in the 1970s has a ground resolution of 0.6 meters; what’s more, the present and latest technologies boast the ability to identify objects much smaller in size. Why have such satellites not provided any images of the alleged debris in the Indian Ocean? Were they deliberately withheld?

13) On April 6th, 2012, the US launched a mission dubbed “NROL-25” (consisting of a spy satellite) from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The NROL-25 satellite was likely rigged with “synthetic aperture radar” a system capable of observing targets around the globe in daylight and darkness, able to penetrate clouds and identify underground structures such as military bunkers. Though the true capabilities of the satellites are not publicly known due to their top-secret classification, some analysts have claimed that the technology allows the authorities to zoom in on items as small as a human fist from hundreds of miles away. How is it that no imagery of MH370 debris was forwarded to Malaysia, as this capability is not classified though other technologies might well remain classified? (Source: Slate.com)

14) Could it be that the above capabilities were not as touted?

15) However, in December, 2013, the USAtlas V rocket was launched carrying the spy satellite NROL-39 for the National Reconnaissance Office, an intelligence agency which is often overshadowed by the notorious National Security Agency (NSA), only it scoops data via spy satellites in outer space. The “NROL-39 emblem” is represented by the Octopus a versatile, adaptive, and highly intelligent creature. Emblematically, enemies of the United States can be reached no matter where they choose to hide. The emblem boldly states “Nothing is beyond our reach”. This virtually means that the tentacles of America’s World Octopus are spreading across the globe to coil around everything within their grasp, which is, well, everything (Source: Voice of Moscow). Yet, the US with such capabilities remained silent. Why?


Let me state from the outset that I totally agree with the press statements by Malaysia’s Defence Minister and Acting Transport Minister, Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein that “we have conducted ourselves fairly, responsibly and history will judge us for that.”

And to a mischievous and presumptuous question from a correspondent of the Financial Times, Datuk Seri with confidence and integrity rightly said without any fear of contradiction that, “I don’t think we could have done anything different from what we have already done.” Well done!

The Financial Times, CNN and other foreign media ought to pose similar questions to the US and its intelligence services and stop insinuating that Malaysia has not been transparent and/or engaged in a cover-up. Foreign media should stop engaging in dirty politics!

It is my hope that following the publication of this article, Malaysian mass media will focus on questioning the integrity of the US’s assistance to Malaysia in the first three weeks of the SAR mission, notwithstanding its recent offer of more assistance.

I take comfort that my reservations about the US and its intelligence services as well as other intelligence services closely linked to the US, especially British secret service, have been more than vindicated by Reuters in its news report on 28th March, 2014 entitled Geopolitical games handicap hunt for flight MH370

The search for flight MH370, the Malaysian Airlines jetliner that vanished over the South China Sea on March 8, has involved more than two dozen countries and 60 aircraft and ships but has been bedevilled by regional rivalries.

… With the United States playing a relatively muted role in the sort of exercise that until recently it would have dominated, experts and officials say there was no real central coordination until the search for the plane was confined to the southern Indian Ocean, when Australia largely took charge.

Part of the problem is that Asia has no NATO-style regional defence structure, though several countries have formal alliances with the United States. Commonwealth members Malaysia, Singapore, New Zealand and Australia also have an arrangement with Britain to discuss defence matters in times of crisis.

As mystery deepened over the fate of the Boeing 777 and its 239 passengers and crew, most of them Chinese, it became clear that highly classified military technology might hold the key.

But the investigation became deadlocked over the reluctance of others to share sensitive data, a reticence that appeared to harden as the search area widened.

“This is turning into a spy novel,” said an envoy from a Southeast Asian country, noting it was turning attention to areas and techniques few countries liked to publicly discuss.

Ultimately, the only country with the technical resources to recover the plane – or at least its black box recorder, which could lie in water several miles deep – may be the United States. Its deep-sea vehicles ultimately hauled up the wreckage of Air France 447 after its 2009 crash into a remote region of the South Atlantic.

While Putrajaya has been forced to reveal some of the limits and ranges of its air defences, the reluctance of Malaysia’s neighbours to release sensitive radar data may have obstructed the investigation for days.

At an ambassadorial meeting in the ad hoc crisis centre at an airport hotel on March 16, Malaysia formally appealed to countries on the jet’s possible path for help, but in part met with polite stonewalling, two people close to the talks said.

Some countries asked Malaysia to put its request in writing, triggering a flurry of diplomatic notes and high-level contacts.

‘It became a game of poker in which Malaysia handed out the cards at the table but couldn’t force others to show their hand,“ a person from another country involved in the talks said.

As in the northern Indian Ocean, where Chinese forces operate alongside other nations to combat Somali piracy, current and former officials say all sides are almost certainly quietly spying on and monitoring each other at the same time. (emphasis added)

WantChinaTimes, Taiwan reported,

The United States has taken advantage of the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight to test the capabilities of China’s satellites and judge the threat of Chinese missiles against its aircraft carriers, reports our sister paper Want Daily.

Erich Shih, chief reporter at Chinese-language military news monthly Defense International, said the US has more and better satellites but has not taken part in the search for flight MH370, which disappeared about an hour into its flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in the early hours of March 8 with 239 people on board. Shih claimed that the US held back because it wanted to see what information China’s satellites would provide.

The above is the reality which we have to confront. Therefore, desist any attempt to label the above mainstream media articles as a “conspiracy theory”. Reuters has let the Genie out of the bottle!

Malaysia’s Minister of Transport Datuk Seri Hishammuddin gave hints of Malaysia’s difficulties (as his hands were tied by intelligence protocols and or refusal by the relevant foreign intelligence services and diplomatic reluctance) but our local media failed to appreciate the nuances of his statements by not directing their questions at those parties that have failed Malaysia as their neighbour and in their duties under various defence treaties and arrangements.

Malaysian media, please read at the minimum three times, the sentences in bold AND WAKE UP TO THE REALITY that our country has been badly treated even though our country put all its national security cards on the table so that countries whose nationals are passengers on flight MH 370 could come forward with sincerity to assist in resolving this unfortunate tragedy which is not Malaysia’s making.

Malaysia is but a victim of this tragedy whose plane, MH 370 was used for a hidden agenda for which only time will reveal.

In my previous article posted to the website on the 27th March, 2014, I exposed how Israel is exploiting the tragedy to create public opinion for a war against Iran, a Muslim country that has close ties with Malaysia.

At the outset of the SAR Mission, all concerned stated categorically that every scenario, no matter how unlikely would be examined critically with no stones left unturned – terrorist hijacking, suicide mission, technical failures, inadequate security, criminal actions of the pilot and or co-pilot etc.

Given the above premise, families of the passengers and the crew of MH 370 have every right to ask the following questions of the US and other countries that have sophisticated technologies to track and monitor airplanes and ships in all circumstances.

Such questions should not be shot down by those who have a hidden agenda that such queries amount to “conspiracy theories”. Far from being conspiracy theories, we assert that the questions tabled below and the rationale for asking them are well founded and must be addressed by the relevant parties, failing which an inference ought to be drawn that they are complicit in the disappearance of MH 370.

Lets us begin.

1) Was the plane ordered to turn back, if so who gave the order?

2) Was the plane turned back manually or by remote control?

3) If the latter, which country or countries have the technologies to execute such an operation?

4) Was MH 370 weaponised before its flight to Beijing?

5) If so, what are the likely methods for such a mission – Biological weapons, dirty bombs?

6) Was Beijing / China the target and if so why?

7) Qui Bono?

8) The time sequence of countries identifying the alleged MH 370 debris in the Indian ocean was first made by Australia followed by France, Thailand, Japan, and Britain via Immarsat. Why did US not offer any satellite intelligence till today?

9) Prior to the switch of focus to the Indian ocean, was the SAR mission in the South China seas, used as a cover for the deployment of undersea equipment to track and monitor naval capabilities of all the nations’ navies competing for ownership of disputed territorial waters? Reuters as quoted above seems to have suggested such an outcome.



10) Why was there been no focus, especially by foreign mass media, on the intelligence and surveillance capabilities of Diego Garcia, the strategic naval and air base of the US?

11) Why no questions were asked whether the flight path of MH 370 (if as alleged it crashed in the Indian Ocean), was within the geographical parameters of the Intelligence capabilities of Diego Garcia? Why were no planes deployed from Diego Garcia to intercept the “Unidentified” plane which obviously would pose a threat to the Diego Gracia military base?

12) The outdated capabilities of the Hexagon satellite system deployed by the US in the 1970s has a ground resolution of 0.6 meters; what’s more, the present and latest technologies boast the ability to identify objects much smaller in size. Why have such satellites not provided any images of the alleged debris in the Indian Ocean? Were they deliberately withheld?

13) On April 6th, 2012, the US launched a mission dubbed “NROL-25” (consisting of a spy satellite) from the Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The NROL-25 satellite was likely rigged with “synthetic aperture radar” a system capable of observing targets around the globe in daylight and darkness, able to penetrate clouds and identify underground structures such as military bunkers. Though the true capabilities of the satellites are not publicly known due to their top-secret classification, some analysts have claimed that the technology allows the authorities to zoom in on items as small as a human fist from hundreds of miles away. How is it that no imagery of MH370 debris was forwarded to Malaysia, as this capability is not classified though other technologies might well remain classified? (Source: Slate.com)

14) Could it be that the above capabilities were not as touted?

15) However, in December, 2013, the USAtlas V rocket was launched carrying the spy satellite NROL-39 for the National Reconnaissance Office, an intelligence agency which is often overshadowed by the notorious National Security Agency (NSA), only it scoops data via spy satellites in outer space. The “NROL-39 emblem” is represented by the Octopus a versatile, adaptive, and highly intelligent creature. Emblematically, enemies of the United States can be reached no matter where they choose to hide. The emblem boldly states “Nothing is beyond our reach”. This virtually means that the tentacles of America’s World Octopus are spreading across the globe to coil around everything within their grasp, which is, well, everything (Source: Voice of Moscow). Yet, the US with such capabilities remained silent. Why?

It cannot be said that it is not within the realm of probabilities that the US may not want the plane MH 370 to be recovered if rogue intelligence operators were responsible for the disappearance of MH 370.

If the above questions have been posed to the US and other intelligence agencies and answers are not forthcoming, I take the view that the Malaysian government ought to declare publicly that our national sovereignty and security have been jeopardized by the disappearance of MH 370 and that the relevant intelligence agencies have been tacitly complicit in the disappearance of MH370.

By coming out openly to explain the predicament faced by our country, Malaysia may prevent a hostile act against a third country.

I therefore call upon Malaysian mass media to be courageous and initiate such queries as only the US and other intelligence agencies can give definitive answers to the above 15 questions.

It is futile to demand answers from Malaysia as we are not in any position to supply the information as we do not have the capabilities of the global and regional military powers.

Malaysians must unite behind the government so that our leaders need not feel that they are alone shouldering this enormous burden.

Matthias Chang is a prominent Malaysian lawyer and author, who served as political secretary and adviser to former Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohamad.

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by Gardener (here)
Pardon my ignorance but from the position of the satelite, the plane would be moving closer to the satelite if it took the route towards the Indian ocean. Clearly I am not undestanding something fundamental, but the last and latest handshake as it moved away from the satelite would be as it headed in northern arc towards Khazastan.

I was looking at the same thing, now realizing that the plane apparently flew away from the satellite. But on that map the southern corridor seems still possible.

The conclusion I made was that, if this data is correct, it could not have possibly flown toward Diego Garcia.

I do have a problem with those data as well:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

LOOK !






So, how did they managed to get this:



... with multiple eyewitnesses reporting of a low flying jet in the Maldives... North of Diego Garcia:

Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance

By Daniel Bosley | March 18th, 2014 |

With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.
“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

Police have confirmed they are looking into the reports without providing further comment.

Co-author of the original story Ahmed Naif explained that Haveeru had been receiving similar reports since March 9, but had been concerned about the credibility of the sightings.

“Later we were getting so many comments that we contacted the island and they said it was true,” explained Naif.

One islander, who identified himself as Hamzath, told Minivan News that had also seen a low-flying plane heading from north-west to south-east, though he remained wary of jumping to conclusions.

“People started talking about it when they realised that the flight that we saw had the same characteristics as of the missing plane,” he said. ”We are still not saying it is the same plane, we just wanted to report it just in case.”

Another witness – who wished to remain anonymous – confirmed a similar height and direction but did not see the plane’s colours, while another suggested that the reports had been exaggerated.

“A plane did fly near the island,” said the anonymous witness. “It wasn’t that big, as big as people say.”

“These days people will be out fishing every morning. Around thirty people would always be there in the morning – but no one talked about it then. If it was that noticeable, loud and big, people would talk.”

[Gardener]

This seems a reasonable assumption. Diego Garcia could it seems be a red herring intentionally propogated. Bearing in mind the movements 'rt, lft, rt' before it went off radar, if the plane was captured by remote auto pilot, that movement may have been a way of checking the control had been activated. So north or south are both still possible imho. I also took account of cloaking, it doesn't seem feasable that cloaking was used because there is this signal until 8.11am

Operator.....>I was looking at the same thing, now realizing that the plane apparently flew away from the satellite. But on that map
the southern corridor seems still possible. The conclusion I made was that, if this data is correct, it could not have possibly
flown toward Diego Garcia.

(my bold)

[Hervé]

The only reason the position of MH370 has been extrapolated outward is because of a pretended "Doppler Effect" analysis; that is, no hard data!

However, when one reverses said, alleged "Doppler Effect"... where does one end after a 7 hours flight?

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The only reason the position of MH370 has been extrapolated outward is because of a pretended "Doppler Effect" analysis; that is, no hard data!

Whoa, I lost a lengthy post this morning when the server was down and at that very moment I wanted to see how it looked like using 'advanced'.
Anyway it is important enough to repeat it, albeit a bit more summarized.

It was about the Doppler shift that allegedly provided some info about where the plane is. Well, it happens that I do have some hands-on experience
with Doppler shift using satellites. As a HAM radio operator I have played with OSCAR10 (quite a while ago). When you use SSB or CW, which requires
mixing the signal with a local carrier to get an audible/readable signal, you can hear the frequency shift. Up when the satellites approaches you and
down after it passes and vanishes over the other horizon again ... (they're not geo-synchronous). From horizon to horizon you only had a 15 .. 20
minutes time window.

So these satellites move at approx. the same high speed like ISS and are in no way comparable with the speed of airplanes. It seems to me that the
Doppler shift has a very tiny effect only and would be negelected at all.

Here's the formula ... we can use estimates for some of the data.


c = 300000 Km/s (constant speed of light)
v = velocity (in m/s)

I've read that the plane had an estimated speed of 450 nm/h
1 nautical mile = 1852 meters => 450 nm/h = (450 * 1852) / 3600 = 231.5 m/s

I.e. the Doppler shift = 231.5 / 300000000 = 0.0000717 % of the original frequency. That results in 92.6 Hz on 120 MHz (aviation communication
frequency) and 926 Hz on e.g. 1200 MHz. Those shifts are comfortably within bandwidth filters of receivers in order not to worry too much about
it when AM, FM or PSM modulation (likely for telemetry) is used. So how/why were they aware of the exact Doppler shift?

AND ... on top of that this is the most extreme case only when the plane flies directly toward or away from the satellite. Only a smaller vector
portion will result when the direction is under another angle ... So how valid/accurate is this all together ?

[Hervé]

Indeed!

Thanks Operator!

[Atlas]

THE INMARSAT-3F1 DOPPLER DATA DO NOT EXCLUDE A NORTHERLY FLIGHT PATH FOR MH370

A northerly route for MH370 deep into central Asia cannot be excluded on the basis of the publicly-available Inmarsat-3F1 satellite data.
By Duncan Steel, 2014 April 02

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has concentrated upon the Indian Ocean due to an assertion by Inmarsat personnel that the Doppler data could only be fitted by a southerly route of the aircraft. The announcement of this was made by the Malaysian Government on 24th March, with it coming an expression of certainty that the aircraft must have crashed unseen into the Indian Ocean.

I assert here that the assertion by Inmarsat is wrong. I do not assert that the aircraft definitely took a northerly route. However, I present evidence hereunder that a northerly route cannot be excluded on the basis of the satellite data, and that a northerly track remains viable in terms of what the satellite data can tell us.

Note that I make this assertion despite a lack of access to certain data that Inmarsat will only give to the “proper authorities.” My only sources of information with regard to the satellite data are:

(a) The graphic/map issued by the Malaysian Government on 15th March, showing the ‘ping ring’ with elevation angle from aircraft to satellite of 40 degrees; and

(b) The following graph, drawn up by Inmarsat and issued by the Malaysian Government on 24th March.



[...]

All simulant flights I put at a constant altitude of 35,000 feet (5.79 nm) apart from the initial take-off and climb. This does not significantly affect the results obtained here in terms of paths, line-of-sight (LOS) speed calculations and so on, although in the real world obviously the altitude does affect the aircraft through fuel consumption rates and so on.



[...]

Because Inmarsat has refused to make the basic data (i.e. ping time delays and Doppler shifts directly) available to the public I must go on various open statements made by the company, either directly or through the AAIB and thence the Malaysian Government.

What has been stated is that for all pings the aircraft (i.e. flight MH370) was moving away from the satellite. What this means is that I require the LOS speeds between satellite and aircraft as shown in the six plots above to be positive at all times at which data are available [...].

Looking at those plots above, one can see that this condition is met by the first four speeds (200, 250, 300 and 350 knots), but not by the final speed (450 knots); and at 400 knots the LOS speed at 1180 minutes is marginally negative, enabling one to understand that if that speed had instead been set as, say, 380 knots then a positive LOS speed would have resulted at that time.

Based simply on that inspection of the plots one can therefore say that:

(a) A northerly route is possible, and so Inmarsat’s assertion is negated/falsified; and

(b) The speed was likely below 380 knots.

However, please note clearly that the second statement there is based on a particular routing prior to the divergence point at latitude 07.25 degrees North, longitude 97.5 degrees East. I could easily invent other paths that do not contravene the apparent facts of the initial part of the flight and derive some different limit than 380 knots. My point here, though, is that Inmarsat’s assertion that a northern route was not possible or likely was based on a model predicated on an aircraft speed of 450 knots, as shown above the Burst Frequency Offset (BFO) graph at the start of this post; and I believe that assertion is incorrect.

Full post: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/507

[Operator]

Posted by buares (here)
THE INMARSAT-3F1 DOPPLER DATA DO NOT EXCLUDE A NORTHERLY FLIGHT PATH FOR MH370

A northerly route for MH370 deep into central Asia cannot be excluded on the basis of the publicly-available Inmarsat-3F1 satellite data.
By Duncan Steel, 2014 April 02

The search for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has concentrated upon the Indian Ocean due to an assertion by Inmarsat personnel that the Doppler data could only be fitted by a southerly route of the aircraft. The announcement of this was made by the Malaysian Government on 24th March, with it coming an expression of certainty that the aircraft must have crashed unseen into the Indian Ocean.

I assert here that the assertion by Inmarsat is wrong. I do not assert that the aircraft definitely took a northerly route. However, I present evidence hereunder that a northerly route cannot be excluded on the basis of the satellite data, and that a northerly track remains viable in terms of what the satellite data can tell us.

Note that I make this assertion despite a lack of access to certain data that Inmarsat will only give to the “proper authorities.” My only sources of information with regard to the satellite data are:

(a) The graphic/map issued by the Malaysian Government on 15th March, showing the ‘ping ring’ with elevation angle from aircraft to satellite of 40 degrees; and

(b) The following graph, drawn up by Inmarsat and issued by the Malaysian Government on 24th March.



[...]

All simulant flights I put at a constant altitude of 35,000 feet (5.79 nm) apart from the initial take-off and climb. This does not significantly affect the results obtained here in terms of paths, line-of-sight (LOS) speed calculations and so on, although in the real world obviously the altitude does affect the aircraft through fuel consumption rates and so on.



[...]

Because Inmarsat has refused to make the basic data (i.e. ping time delays and Doppler shifts directly) available to the public I must go on various open statements made by the company, either directly or through the AAIB and thence the Malaysian Government.

What has been stated is that for all pings the aircraft (i.e. flight MH370) was moving away from the satellite. What this means is that I require the LOS speeds between satellite and aircraft as shown in the six plots above to be positive at all times at which data are available [...].

Looking at those plots above, one can see that this condition is met by the first four speeds (200, 250, 300 and 350 knots), but not by the final speed (450 knots); and at 400 knots the LOS speed at 1180 minutes is marginally negative, enabling one to understand that if that speed had instead been set as, say, 380 knots then a positive LOS speed would have resulted at that time.

Based simply on that inspection of the plots one can therefore say that:

(a) A northerly route is possible, and so Inmarsat’s assertion is negated/falsified; and

(b) The speed was likely below 380 knots.

However, please note clearly that the second statement there is based on a particular routing prior to the divergence point at latitude 07.25 degrees North, longitude 97.5 degrees East. I could easily invent other paths that do not contravene the apparent facts of the initial part of the flight and derive some different limit than 380 knots. My point here, though, is that Inmarsat’s assertion that a northern route was not possible or likely was based on a model predicated on an aircraft speed of 450 knots, as shown above the Burst Frequency Offset (BFO) graph at the start of this post; and I believe that assertion is incorrect.

I think that I've seen somewhere that part of the engine data is about fuel usage and speed. Now, that will probably be air speed.
So they should have more precise data ... I also wonder how they synchronize the bursts of data by all these engines out there?
There must be additional info hidden in that 'protocol' too

[Hervé]

Soooo... if I managed to understand the above correctly, the whole thing is made to fit their theory since the decided upon plane cruise speed is totally arbitrary and they must have gone through what Duncan did to zero-in on the best fit to their theory...

Soooo...

... to re-iterate: NO hard data!

[Hervé]

Posted by Operator (here)
[...]

I think that I've seen somewhere that part of the engine data is about fuel usage and speed. Now, that will probably be air speed.

[...]

... that's when the airline company is connected to be monitored; which the Malaysian didn't allow.

Accordingly, RR Trent only received the requests (pings) for connection but with no answer/monitoring/data download follow-up.

[Operator]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
---
... to re-iterate: NO hard data!

Indeed ... besides measuring data, especially tiny sensitive bits, is a league of its own. So how hard is hard data?
Satellites don't get frequent calibration checkups ... built in calibration circuits would not be available if these measurements
were not intended to 'locate' an airplane. Without calibration unknown accuracy !

Since it is also a one of reading (measurement not repeated) how precise is it?

I could accept rough indications but not accurate data with known precision ... we don't even know the
measurement's granularity ! How could they take the responsibility to say it's conclusive?

[Atlas]

This morning Malaysia revealed it would gather “false’’ media reports over the crisis and consider filing lawsuits. Mr Hishammuddin said on his Twitter feed the country’s attorney general had been instructed to “compile evidence and advise’’ on possible legal action.

Earlier in the day he was quoted by the Malay Mail newspaper as saying: “We have been compiling all the false reports since day one. When the time is right, the government should sue them.’’

http://malaysia-chronicle.com/index....#axzz2xpZu0WPR

[Cidersomerset]

The little vid gives a few views on what may have happened, among which it said
no VIPs on board. No mention of the 30 VIP computer workers.....

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2 April 2014 Last updated at 07:36

Missing plane MH370: Malaysia mystery ‘may not be solved’

Short Vid on link...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26847402

Theories abound about what may have happened to flight MH370

Malaysia has warned that the reasons for the Malaysia Airlines plane's
disappearance may never be known, as Prime Minister Najib Razak heads to
Australia for talks on the search.

Malaysia's police chief said that their investigation could "go on and on".

Ten planes and nine ships are searching the southern Indian Ocean. A UK
submarine has also joined the hunt.Flight MH370 disappeared on 8 March as it was
travelling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. It was carrying 239 people.

Mr Najib will arrive in Perth, Western Australia, on Wednesday evening. He will visit
the new Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC), where the southern Indian
Ocean search is being led.He will meet Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, and
retired air chief marshal Angus Houston, who is leading the JACC.

'Isolated thunderstorms'




Pilots sit in the cockpit of the Japan Coast Guard Gulfstream V aircraft as it flies
over the southern Indian Ocean looking for debris from missing Malaysian Airlines
flight MH370, 1 April 2014 Teams have been searching for the plane for more than
three weeks Meanwhile, Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar said the criminal
investigation could "go on and on and on. We have to clear every little thing."

"At the end of the investigations, we may not even know the real cause. We may
not even know the reason for this incident," he said.

He added that police had "cleared" all the passengers of the four key areas being
investigated: hijacking, sabotage, and psychological and personal problems,
Malaysia's Bernama news agency reported.



File photo: Royal Navy submarine HMS Tireless, 1 March 2012 British submarine HMS Tireless will also assist search efforts

Khalid Abu Bakar added that more than 170 interviews had been conducted with
family members of the pilots and crew members, and that even cargo and food
served on the plane were being investigated in case of sabotage.

Wednesday's search area is around 221,000 sq km (85,300 sq miles), but cloudy
conditions, "sea fog and isolated thunderstorms" will reduce visibility for search
planes, JACC said in a statement.

The British submarine HMS Tireless has also arrived in the southern Indian Ocean.
It will soon be joined by Royal Navy ship HMS Echo.

The private jet of film director Peter Jackson has also joined the search.

On Tuesday, ACM Houston said it was the most challenging operation he had ever
seen, and warned that search efforts "could drag on for a long time".

"The last known position [of the plane] was a long, long way from where the
aircraft appears to have gone," complicating the task, he said.

Several floating objects have been found in recent days, but none is believed to
belong to the missing plane.Also on Tuesday, Malaysian authorities released the full
transcript of communications between flight MH370 and Kuala Lumpur's air traffic
control.They said there was no indication of anything abnormal in the transcript,
although the last words received by ground controllers are different from those
previously stated.

Officials say that based on satellite data they have concluded that flight MH370
crashed into the southern Indian Ocean, but many relatives of those on board have
demanded proof and expressed anger at what they perceive as a lack of
information.

A closed-door briefing is being held in Kuala Lumpur for families of those on the flight.



Map: Latest search area

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26847402

[Atlas]

Malaysia did not release the cargo manifest yet.

Posted by malaysia-chronicle.com, 25 March 2014
WHY NOT START BY RELEASING CARGO DETAILS!

Dato' Aloyah Mamat and Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar on 11 March 2014:

Q : This is Pui Kuan from bloomberg. Thinks to ask question on cargo. In term of hijacking the cargo, what kind of cargo the plane are carry inside anything that was a explo, anything could be explosive or inside anything expensive as it like gold or something?

A : We are going to that piece by piece from the photograph and video footage that we got.

[...]

Q : Sir, Martin Merock from the Sydney Morning Herald, is one of the area of your investigation the possibility that there were some bomb loaded through the cargo section of the plane or is there any area of you looking at?

A : Of Course, we will look into all the angle, all those thing and we will.

Q : Could you give us some clue? You told us there some was possible leading, could you give us some clue you got? Could you provide us some clue you got?

A : That what we have going through now. 1 by 1. Slowly.

Q : What confirm information have you got?

A : What confirm information?

A : No, nothing. That’s why we are going to those four area and we have to do it slowly one by one. If it’s confirm means it’s easy for us.

Full transcript
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April 2, 2014

Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar said the police had to look at every aspect to rule out sabotage.

“For example, when we knew there was a load of mangosteens onboard, we had to find out where the mangosteens came from. We tracked down who plucked the fruits, who packed them and shipped them out, and who put them on the plane.

“Then we had to determine who would have received them in China and who paid for it, and for how much. Imagine how many people we must interview to rule out sabotage and that is just the mangosteens,” Khalid said, adding that the fruits had come from an orchard in Muar.

Khalid added that the food served onboard was also scrutinised.

He said that investigations are still ongoing with over 170 statements from foreign and local sources as well as the families of passengers and crew aboard MH370 already recorded.

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Natio...-every-detail/

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Link

The closer that millions of online sleuths come to tracing the trajectory and destination of the missing Malaysian Airlines jetliner, the likelier it becomes that the National Security Agency and CIA will resort to disinformation, including the planting of falsified evidence, to throw off their pursuers in what increasingly appears to be an electronic hijacking by those spy agencies.

More layers of the ongoing cover-up are being hatched now that eyewitnesses at the Huvadhu Atoll, a diving area in the southern Maldives,, have reported sightings of "a low-flying jumbo jet.: South of Huvadhu Atoll, the closest U.S. military facility is Diego Garcia in the Chagos Islands. The joint U.S. Navy submarine and Air Force facility has underground hangers huge enough to conceal B-52 bombers, a convenient hiding place for a Boeing-777.

Huvadhu is a prominent marker in the vast Indian Ocean, used as the turning point for flights into Diego Garcia. There valuable cargo - either classified documents or a human intelligence asset - can be secretly landed and reloaded on a USAF cargo jet or a Navy submarine. Countless secret and illegal "extraordinary rendition" flights were sent to Diego Garcia in the war on terror, and there is no practical reason why the same US intelligence agencies would not use it to land a civilian aircraft hijacked by remote control.

Pieces of the wreckage spotted by US ally Australia further south of Diego Garcia could be a decoy site, salted with physical evidence of airplane parts that have been moved surreptitiously. As in the unsolved mystery of Amelia Earhart, who was on an espionage mission against the Japanese forces in the South Pacific before her disappearance, there is the possibility that a hostile military force moved tantalizing evidence from the actual landing site to a more distant remote island by plane or ship.

Malaysia Targeted by Air-Sea Battle Plan

The case of a MH370 has been solely focused on the possibility of a route diversion by the on-board crew. Completely ignored in press releases and news reports so far is the elephant in the room, or perhaps a better analogy of a Great White Shark in the bathtub - the massive U.S. Navy and Air Force presence in the seas and airspace surrounding Malaysia.

There is absolutely no way that a flying object as large as a Boeing-777 could evade the 24-hour watch over the South China Sea and the Andaman Sea by NSA-USAF spy satellites, high-tech AEGIS destroyers, the new class of Littoral Combat Ships and P3 surveillance planes.

The reasons for targeting Malaysia becomes clearer ..... More