Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Barry]

oops sorry, new to forums did not realise there are 57 pages to this thread so far.

I posted after page 1

But Thanks I did not know they where not on the plane

Thanks NightOwl and buares

[Atlas]

New TV interview with Sarah Bajc aka Sarah Hamil:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jpKot27qbyw

In a strange twist of events Sara Bajc, the girlfriend of missing flight 370 passenger Phillip Wood, told CNN how the Malaysian military and even the U.S. are likely involved in a massive cover-up surrounding the aircrafts disappearance on the morning of Mar. 8.

Astonishingly Bajc told CNN, “The jet [flight 370] had actually been accompanied by fighter planes, there is some witness to that.”.

“I think we need to have a better view into where that plane went and who has got it now”, Bajc told CNN going on to explain how she felt her boyfriend Phillip Wood was still alive somewhere. Bajc also pointed out that the general consensus amongst family members also leans toward the plane still being intact somewhere, alluding to a militarized operation.

“I am sure that the military in Malaysia knew that plane was there and has tracked that plane in some way. Now whether they were in control of it or not we don’t know. Many people are saying that the United States is involved [...] but the general thinking across the families here and even non-families [...] believe this was a military operation of some sort.”, said Bajc.

http://intellihub.com/girlfriend-370...d-still-alive/
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Posted by Ren Jie Neo


If you live in Malaysia or anywhere around here in southeast asia, you would know that it is totally possible that the Malaysian military ignored MH370 going over their airspace. In fact it is highly likely that it happened. It's really typical of the incompetent Malaysia.

[panopticon]

Evidently something is happening in the search for MH370 (according to CNN):

A Chinese patrol ship has discovered Saturday a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz in the southern Indian Ocean, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Let's see where this goes.

-- Pan

Update reported 37.5kHz is the correct frequency for a black box. The ship that has been reported as locating the signal is in the North of the search area.

No confirmation from Australian authorities as of yet (though it has been reported that they are aware of the Chinese report and no denial has come as of yet).

[Hervé]

Posted by buares (here)
Here's the real "Mystery" of MH370:

Not included or omitted from that summary:

Possible Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft lands on Maldives beach

On 25 March, a mysterious object, possibly a fire suppression bottle of an aircraft washed up ashore at Baarah, Maldives. Islanders first thought of it as a bomb and reported to authorities. The Maldives military has said its not an explosive device, but did not confirm if it was fire suppression bottle as people suspected or otherwise. Here are the updates over the past days.


5 Apr 2014
We still have no updates on the object. We have written a possible hypothesis Why authorities keep shut over possible fire suppression bottle found in Maldives

Why authorities keep shut over possible fire suppression bottle found in Maldives

5 Apr 2014:
[...]

The case of unknown object washed up ashore at Baarah was progressing fast, just like any other, till an aircraft engineer said it looked like fire suppression bottle of an aircraft. That was the turning point. Updates stopped and media-friendly military kept shut. But, why?

2 Apr 2014
We have not gotten any additional information about the possible fire suppression bottle found washed up on Maldives beach. It is now rising questions why the authorities are not releasing updated information on this object. Are they simply trying to ignore the fact that an object possibly belonging to MH370 has been found? Or the authorities want the world to focus on the depths of massive oceans just to say, at last, the plane may never be found? We cant believe Boeing and the Malaysian authorities are not aware of this object. Why have not they said anything so far?

Why are the major news networks not reporting this? May be they dont like reaching it to any conclusion. So that they can keep reporting "may be" or just the daily "search planes take off from Path" for as long as they can.


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31 Mar 2014
We have contacted the spokesperson of the Maldives National Defence Force, Major Hussain Ali, but we did not get any additional information about the object. When asked about pictures being sent to Boeing, the spokesperson said that he cant confirm that and he does not have any additional update of the investigation. We told him that we will be calling him tomorrow and we are very much in need of fresh information on the investigation of the object.



Photo: unknown object on the beach


Photo: Object close-up shot

29 Mar 2014: Unconfirmed reports say the Maldives military has sent pictures of the object to Boeing. We are unable to independently confirm the report, but the report appears to be credible. We will be in touch with military probably tomorrow.


Exclusive to Maldivesfinest

27 Mar 2014:
The spokesperson of the Maldives National Defence Force, Major Hussain Ali, has confirmed to Maldivesfinest that they are aware of the talk relating object with missing MH370. When asked if the MNDF is in touch with Malaysian Authorities or the Airline, the spokesperson declined to confirm but said they are in touch with the 'relevant authorities'. When requested to grant access to our staff to photograph the object, the officer declined to give that chance. But, its likely that the military would soon release an update. We are monitoring the developments and will update the story when there is new information available.

P.S.: Authorities or international media who would like to verify authenticity of this news may contact Maldivesfinest and we shall provide the contact details of the Maldives military. We will also tell you how to verify these contacts, so you know that you are speaking to Maldives military, without a doubt.


26 Mar 2014
A mysterious object was found washed up on beach of Baarah island in the Maldives yesterday. The villagers reported it to police who then handed over the case to Maldives military. After investigation the Maldives Defence Force has said its not a bomb or any kind of explosive device. Read full story published earlier.

An aircraft engineer from Maldives has now said the mysterious object is likely to be a Fire Suppression Bottle of an aircraft. The engineer could not say if it is the type used in Boeing 777 model as he did not personally inspect the object. Meanwhile, we have received multiple messages from readers saying that it looks like plane's fire extinguisher and requested to report to authorities.


Photo: Object found on Maldives beach


Photo: A fire suppression bottle of an aircraft. Source: aircraftengineering.wordpress.com


Location of Baarah in the Maldives map

This object got landed on Maldives beach amid a multinational team looks for missing Malaysian Flight MH370 which is now believed to be gone down in the Indian Ocean. There has been countless satellite images of possible debris from the missing jet, but so far authorities have failed to find actual debris. If this fire suppression bottle belongs to the missing plane it would be the first piece of hard evidence.

We have earlier reported that an islander from Kudahuvadhoo island claimed to have sighted a low-flying aircraft of the similar size as Boeing 777. Maldives authorities investigated and said the claim not valid. Read full story - Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives

The object is currently held in the Northern Command of the Maldives National Defence Force.


A key to unlock the mystery
If this object turns out to be part of missing flight, it may suggest that the plane was smashed on touch down or blown to piece in midair. At present, we dont know if it was used one or still have gas. The bottle's connection to missing flight and amount of gas in it could be a key to unlock the mystery behind the plane's disappearance.

[panopticon]

Posted by panopticon (here)
Evidently something is happening in the search for MH370 (according to CNN):

A Chinese patrol ship has discovered Saturday a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5 kHz in the southern Indian Ocean, state news agency Xinhua reported.

Let's see where this goes.

-- Pan

Update reported 37.5kHz is the correct frequency for a black box. The ship that has been reported as locating the signal is in the North of the search area.

No confirmation from Australian authorities as of yet (though it has been reported that they are aware of the Chinese report and no denial has come as of yet).

Chinese ships location:
25.58 S, 101.26 E (Source)

From Xinhua:

Chinese search vessels discovers pulse signal in Indian Ocean

ABOARD PATROL SHIP HAIXUN 01, April 5 (Xinhua) -- Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01, searching for the missing Malaysian passenger jet MH370, detected a pulse signal with a frequency of 37.5kHz per second in southern Indian Ocean waters Saturday.

A black box detector deployed by the Haixun 01 picked up the signal at around 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longtitude. It is yet to be established whether it is related to the missing jet.
Source

Australian officials are still unwilling to comment about this. There are references to not wanting to upset family and friends of those who were on MH370 if this turns out to be something unrelated to the flight.

[Operator]

'Black box Boeing localized'

A Chinese ship may have picked up signals from the black box of the missing Boeing Malaysia Airlines in the Indian Ocean. There would also be white debris are seen near that spot.

It is not yet confirmed that it actually is the black box of missing flight MH370. Reported by the Chinese news agency Xinhua.

Google Translate

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/2...iseerd___.html

Here ya go ... another indication of a 'last minute' find of the black box pinger.
I have worked on a passive sonar, propagation of sound in sea water is very good.

If they really wanted to locate that pinger they should have done so immediately ...
SAR and navy planes can drop off buoys to listen for submarines and pingers like
this. They can scan vast areas in a couple of hours.
In case of submarines there are emergency pingers mounted on the escape hatches
to locate them exactly and land a rescue vehicle over the hatch.

Interesting article about these pingers here.

[Atlas]

Loop during air turn back untrue, says DCA

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) Flight MH370 did not make an air turn back that resembled a loop, clarified the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) on Saturday.



DCA director-general Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said images that have surfaced, of a circular turn to the right, which was apparently briefed to Chinese families recently, was untrue.

“The manner that the aircraft make the turn as reported in Beijing to the next of kin, is not true. The aircraft does not make a loop and turn to the left. It’s not true,” Azharuddin said.

The images, which was believed to have been prepared by the government for families, had contradicted previous assumption that the aircraft had made a left turn.

[panopticon]

I just had a look at those co-ordinates and, if accurate, the location is a lot further North than the search area. What were they doing that far North?



-- Pan

[Atlas]

Posted by Datuk Zolkipli Abdul, chairman of Advanced Air Traffic System (AAT)

Boeing should have the technical capacities to significantly contribute to MH370's search and rescue operation.

It is not acceptable for Rolls-Royce being the engine maker of an engine that costs more than RM500 million to not have the technology to track the engine from the plane.

MAS spend a great deal of money to secure the best services from both Boeing and Rolls-Royce but when this incident happened, both of them seemed to have clammed up.

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-co...olved-1.551330

[Cidersomerset]

In a strange twist of events Sara Bajc, the girlfriend of missing flight 370 passenger Phillip Wood, told CNN how the Malaysian military and even the U.S. are likely involved in a massive cover-up surrounding the aircrafts disappearance on the morning of Mar. 8.

Astonishingly Bajc told CNN, “The jet [flight 370] had actually been accompanied by fighter planes, there is some witness to that.”.

“I think we need to have a better view into where that plane went and who has got it now”, Bajc told CNN going on to explain how she felt her boyfriend Phillip Wood was still alive somewhere. Bajc also pointed out that the general consensus amongst family members also leans toward the plane still being intact somewhere, alluding to a militarized operation.

“I am sure that the military in Malaysia knew that plane was there and has tracked
that plane in some way. Now whether they were in control of it or not we don’t
know. Many people are saying that the United States is involved [...] but the
general thinking across the families here and even non-families [...] believe this
was a military operation of some sort.”, said Bajc.

I think she made it clear that she is not sticking up for any government......

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5 April 2014 Last updated at 13:45

Malaysia missing plane search China ship 'picks up signal'

A Chinese ship searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in the southern
Indian Ocean has picked up a pulse signal, Chinese media say.

They say the signal has a frequency of 37.5kHz per second - the same as those
emitted by the flight recorders.

However there is no evidence so far that it is linked to MH370.

Dozens of ships and planes have joined the search, with the operation moving into
its most intensive phase before batteries on the data recorders fade.

On Saturday the Haixun 01 - one of two Chinese ships in the area - picked up the
signal at about 25 degrees south latitude and 101 degrees east longitude, the state-
run Xinhua news agency said.

"It is yet to be established whether it is related to the missing jet," it cautioned.

China's Liberation Daily reported that three people on board had heard the signals,
which were not recorded as they came suddenly.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26902127

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by panopticon (here)

I just had a look at those co-ordinates and, if accurate, the location is a lot further North than the search area. What were they doing that far North?

Denied high-tech info from the American surveillance apparatus (and why might that be?!), the search team coordination function is basically guessing.

They may know how much fuel was on board, but (a) cruising speed and (b) altitude are major, major unknown variables that affect the plane's possible duration in the air by thousands of miles each way.

See this extremely important post for how the conclusion that the plane must have flown south (not north) was based ONLY on INMARSAT's assumption about the cruising speed. I've not yet seen this very important analysis copied and discussed elsewhere.

[Ahnung-quay]

There are several satellite blackouts at that location on Google Earth.

[panopticon]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by panopticon (here)

I just had a look at those co-ordinates and, if accurate, the location is a lot further North than the search area. What were they doing that far North?

Denied high-tech info from the American surveillance apparatus (and why might that be?!), the search team coordination function is basically guessing.

They may know how much fuel was on board, but (a) cruising speed and (b) altitude are major, major unknown variables that affect the plane's possible duration in the air by thousands of miles each way.

See this extremely important post for how the conclusion that the plane must have flown south (not north) was based ONLY on INMARSAT's assumption about the cruising speed. I've not yet seen this very important analysis copied and discussed elsewhere.

I get that Bill.

Edit: the search area was split yesterday and the second search area is within the region that the Chinese vessels located the signal.

[Hervé]

The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.

So far, the only certainties there are, are as follows:

• a Boeing 777 with its passengers and crew "vanished" from radar tracking after a U-turn and communication disconnection
• the plane's engines kept pinging RR detection network for 7 more hours

... and... that's that!


Dismissed, are eye witnesses of a low flying jet over the Maldives as well as a fire suppression container likely to be from an airplane:

Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo Island in the Maldives have claimed to have seen a large low-flying aircraft, around 6.15am (Maldives time: GMT+5hrs). Any international flight passing over that island would be highly unusual and domestic transport uses small aircrafts. Police has now started an investigation.




Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance

By Daniel Bosley | March 18th, 2014 |

With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.

“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

[Atlas]

Update from Duncan Steel:

Ping Rings from the Inmarsat-3F1 Data

Here is a large view that covers all feasible end points for MH370. Note that in this projection the ping rings are by no means circular: all maps are distorted in one way or another, and this projection keeps all meridians (lines of longitude) equally spaced regardless of the latitude. Note also the black dots showing the sub-satellite points at the different times: yes, the satellite moves/drifts:



Here is a close-up covering the area of the early part of the flight of MH370, with a good margin around, just in case it is useful to people thinking about a path taken that did not go very far:



Having these range rings early on would have helped to stop some wild speculation, and also suggested paths that can now be seen to be non-viable with fuller information (assuming that these ping rings are correct).

For example, consider the final two range rings, at 22:40 and 00:11 UTC. They are not quite concentric, but for present purposes it is adequate to assume that they are. Their radii are 2206 and 2652 nautical miles. The difference between those figures is 446 nautical miles, and the aircraft took 91 minutes to fly between those rings. That means that the lowest speed it could have had at that time would have been near 294 knots. For that to be the case, it would have needed to be flying such that it was taking the shortest route between each ring (i.e. flying perpendicular to each).

At any other angle the speed would have been higher. Taking into account the approximations made, one might take 290-300 knots as being the minimum speed in the latter part (the last 90 minutes or so) of the flight. Following from previous posts and considerations, it is perhaps a valid assumption that the aircraft was being flown for the last several hours of its flight by the autopilot; and at a constant speed, which we have seen was at least 290-300 knots.

[...]

From this one gets the idea of a path which, compared to the ping rings, is gradually turning (but is also a great circle from its start point) so as to cut the rings at increasing angles, culminating in the largest angle being at the outermost rings. This would also be in accord with the Doppler evidence: the speed away from the satellite keeps increasing.

Full post: http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/549

[Atlas]

I have superimposed Duncan's ping rings with another map showing the oil rig worker's sighting and I can't help but notice the coincidence between the last ping ring and the alleged asteroid sighting...



Amazingly, on this map, the distance between the "military radar" and the "civilian radar" is EXACTLY the same as the distance between the "civilian radar" and the "oil rig worker spotting" !

[Generous]

History may be repeating itself here.
Remember Egypt Air flight 990 crash in 1999. Egyptian military servicemen had just completed a 3 year training exercise in the US and were heading home on that flight. You do the math

http://www.enterprisemission.com/egyptair3.htm
http://www.rense.com/general14/egyptair990.htm

[Cidersomerset]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BBzqFCmgfoU

Published on 5 Apr 2014


A Chinese ship searching for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in the
southern Indian Ocean has picked up a pulse signal, Chinese media say.

Oceanographer Dr Simon Boxall told BBC News that the 37.5kHz frequency
was used by other devices, but if it proved to be emitted by MH370's flight
recorder then the search would go "from virtually the impossible to the plausible".

"If this is the pulse, you're going from tens of thousands of miles to tens
of miles... this becomes a viable search region."

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.

So far, the only certainties there are, are as follows:

• a Boeing 777 with its passengers and crew "vanished" from radar tracking after a U-turn and communication disconnection
• the plane's engines kept pinging RR detection network for 7 more hours

... and... that's that!


Dismissed, are eye witnesses of a low flying jet over the Maldives as well as a fire suppression container likely to be from an airplane:

Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo Island in the Maldives have claimed to have seen a large low-flying aircraft, around 6.15am (Maldives time: GMT+5hrs). Any international flight passing over that island would be highly unusual and domestic transport uses small aircrafts. Police has now started an investigation.




Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance

By Daniel Bosley | March 18th, 2014 |

With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan

Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

“It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.

“I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.

where was the fire suppression bottle found in relation to the sighting?

[Hervé]

Would his majesty condescend to follow the links provided?