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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    The more I look at these INMARSAT data the more convinced I am that they are less than valid and reliable and may be part of an intentional misdirect.

    So far, the only certainties there are, are as follows:

    • a Boeing 777 with its passengers and crew "vanished" from radar tracking after a U-turn and communication disconnection
    • the plane's engines kept pinging RR detection network for 7 more hours
    ... and... that's that!


    Dismissed, are eye witnesses of a low flying jet over the Maldives as well as a fire suppression container likely to be from an airplane:

    Residents claim to have seen low-flying aircraft in Maldives

    Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo Island in the Maldives have claimed to have seen a large low-flying aircraft, around 6.15am (Maldives time: GMT+5hrs). Any international flight passing over that island would be highly unusual and domestic transport uses small aircrafts. Police has now started an investigation.




    Kudahuvadhoo islanders spotted low-flying mystery aircraft in hours after MH370 disappearance

    By Daniel Bosley | March 18th, 2014 |



    With additional reporting by Ahmed Nazeer and Ahmed Rilwan


    Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.

    “It was about 6:30am in the morning, I heard a loud noise and went out to see what it was,” Adam Saeed, a teacher at Kudahuvadhoo school, told Minivan News.

    “I saw a flight flying very low and it had a red straight line in the middle of it. The flight was traveling north-west to south-east.”

    While Saeed’s sighting has been corroborated by a number of witnesses, others remain skeptical that the aircraft could have been the missing jet, whilst aviation authorities maintain that they have no “credible” evidence to support the claims.
    where was the fire suppression bottle found in relation to the sighting?
    Maldives and Maldives

    Quote Residents of Kudahuvadhoo in Dhaal atoll have reported seeing a low flying aircraft heading in a south-easterly direction in the morning of March 8, prompting speculation that it could have been the missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370http://minivannews.com/society/kudah...pearance-80268
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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    where was the fire suppression bottle found in relation to the sighting?
    The red dot is the fire suppression bottle and the green dot is the sighting:

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    he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

    onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...



    that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...



    the bottom black line on the flight path is the island




    to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...

    Quote The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
    March 29, 2014
    tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

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    and yes you read that right...

    seen 6:15

    Lands 6:20...



    final pings for flight 370 was 10 days after the disappearance?

    one of the whistle blowers mentioned setting off the landslide in Africa that would create a mass tsunami that would hit US East coast...

    can a plane be made into a big enough explosion to really set that off?


    from Rense 10 years ago...

    "What most don't know, however, is that on one of the Canary Islands lies a major global catastrophe in the making, a natural disaster so big that it could flatten the Atlantic coastlines of Britain, Europe, North Africa and the United States of America and cause enormous damage to London and other UK cities. Scattered across the world,s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs which, once unleashed, create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, called a Mega Tsunami. These are able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. The word Tsunami derives from the Japanese for harbour wave. They are normally generated by offshore earthquakes, sub-marine landslides and undersea volcanic activity, and range from barely perceptible waves to walls of water up to 300 feet high.

    Recently, scientists have realised that the next Mega Tsunami is likely to begin on one of the Canary Islands, off the coast of North Africa, where a wall of water will one day race across the entire Atlantic Ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States, the Caribbean and Brazil. link"
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    With a frequency detected that matches the black box output, they ought to locate floating debris (if there is any) within the next 24 h. I do not at all understand what is behind the comments that the noise could well be something else, 37.5 kHz is in the ultrasound region of the spectrum... today I read that a dolphin can make sounds up to 150 kHz, but what are the chances one would start clicking away at exactly 37.5 kHz? Perhaps commentators are just being over-conservative given all the false leads that have occurred so far.

    I imagine the search teams know the pulse rate of the black box sonic device as well, and if that matches then there really is no other explanation [aside from someone deliberately mimicking the signal]. I read that the signal has been detected two days in a row - they should have enough data to be able to predict with reasonable accuracy where the black box is resting on the sea bed.

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    Media release from the Australian Joint Agency Coordination Centre on the signal detected yesterday by the Chinese vessel.

    Houston, the head of the Australian task force, is giving an update atm. Evidently the signal detected has been re-acquired by the Chinese vessel.

    Houston just told the media off, though I'm not sure they would have understood what he was saying. He said that over the coming days, weeks and months there may be unconfirmed reports. He asked the media to not report unconfirmed reports as fact as it may cause family & friends of those missing distress.

    Evidently the signal was first detected 36 hours ago. It was a single signal. 24 hours later and 2 km from where the first signal was acquired it was re-acquired, again a single acoustic signal event. The water at the site of Haixun 01 is 4500 metres deep.

    There has been another acoustic signal detected by Ocean Shield in another location about an hour ago. It will be at least 24 hours before Ocean Shield can get to the location of the Haixun 01 (about 300 nm away) if the signal the Ocean Shield is presently investigating is found to not be related to MH370.

    Houston just said that these signals are not continuous transmissions. The two signals detections by Haixun 01 have only been between 1 and 2 minutes in length and 24 hours apart. The Ocean Shield signal is going to be investigated before it relocates to the Haixun 01 location.

    Also the satellite data is being re-analysed (again) and perhaps MH370 may have been going faster than anticipated and possibly in the vicinity of the Haixun 01. (Making the data fit the observations?)

    Houston is a professional but he's looking a bit frustrated.

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    Media Reporting on Chinese Ship Detection of Electronic Pulse Signals
    Media Release, 5 April 2014—pm

    The Chief Coordinator of the Joint Agency Coordination Centre, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret'd), said reports that the Chinese ship, Haixun 01, had detected electronic pulse signals in the Indian Ocean related to MH370 could not be verified at this point in time.

    “I have been advised that a series of sounds have been detected by a Chinese ship in the search area. The characteristics reported are consistent with the aircraft black box. A number of white objects were also sighted on the surface about 90 kilometres from the detection area. However, there is no confirmation at this stage that the signals and the objects are related to the missing aircraft,“ Air Chief Marshal Houston (Ret'd) said.

    “Advice tonight from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority's Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC) and the Australian Transport Safety Bureau is that they cannot verify any connection to the missing aircraft.

    “The RCC in Australia has spoken to the RCC in China and asked for any further information that may be relevant.

    “The deployment of RAAF assets to the area where the Chinese ship detected the sounds is being considered.

    “I will provide further updates if, and when, more information becomes available.”

    Source
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    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

    onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...



    that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...



    the bottom black line on the flight path is the island




    to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...

    Quote The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
    March 29, 2014
    tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

    link
    and yes you read that right...

    seen 6:15

    Lands 6:20...



    one of the whistleblowers mentioned setting off the landslide in Africa that would create a mass tsunami that would hit US East coast...

    can a plane be made into a big enough explosion to really set that off?


    from Rense 10 years ago...

    "What most don't know, however, is that on one of the Canary Islands lies a major global catastrophe in the making, a natural disaster so big that it could flatten the Atlantic coastlines of Britain, Europe, North Africa and the United States of America and cause enormous damage to London and other UK cities. Scattered across the world,s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs which, once unleashed, create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, called a Mega Tsunami. These are able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. The word Tsunami derives from the Japanese for harbour wave. They are normally generated by offshore earthquakes, sub-marine landslides and undersea volcanic activity, and range from barely perceptible waves to walls of water up to 300 feet high.

    Recently, scientists have realised that the next Mega Tsunami is likely to begin on one of the Canary Islands, off the coast of North Africa, where a wall of water will one day race across the entire Atlantic Ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States, the Caribbean and Brazil. link"
    Oh my! There are so many brighter minds here than mine, and I am so grateful for that! Could this plane have been weaponized to set off the Global Coastal Event that Cliff High's Half Past Human website has been predicting for a long time now. If so, let us go to work to change that timeline now!

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    So there has been 3 separate detections of a signal. 2 from the Chinese vessel (Haixun 01) and one (in a different location approximately 300nm away from the Haixun 01) within the last 90 minutes by the Ocean Shield. The signal lengths are very short (less than 90 seconds) and not continuous. In addition the signals detected by the Haixun 01 were 24 hours apart.

    The Ocean Shield will investigate the signal it has detected and then, if required, move to the location of Haixun 01 (this will take at least 24 hours).

    Also, the satellite data has been re-evaluated (shock horror) and it is thought that MH370 may have been travelling faster than anticipated making the location of the Haixun 01 a viable location...

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    Was just watching the press conference with Angus Houston, he repeatedly tried to compare the difficulty in verifying an audio signal with that of verifying a visual signal - which is a complete nonsense. When asked what else could present a 37.5 kHz signal he refused to answer the question. When asked what was the frequency of the signal detected by the Australian ship he refused to answer the question, he was then asked again by someone else and admitted he didn't know that yet, and didn't even acknowledge that the frequency was of importance.

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    Quote Posted by Tesseract (here)
    Was just watching the press conference with Angus Houston, he repeatedly tried to compare the difficulty in verifying an audio signal with that of verifying a visual signal - which is a complete nonsense. When asked what else could present a 37.5 kHz signal he refused to answer the question. When asked what was the frequency of the signal detected by the Australian ship he refused to answer the question, he was then asked again by someone else and admitted he didn't know that yet, and didn't even acknowledge that the frequency was of importance.
    Yeah, saw the same report. My interpretation of what Houston was saying when it came to comparing the visual and audio was to let the media know to back off and let the search teams do their job. The comparison was not meant, I don't think, to relate any similarity between the visual search and the signals detected other than there could be false leads that need to be treated carefully. He repeated a number of times that he would like unconfirmed reports to not be reported as fact so as to not harm the family & friends of those missing.

    I agree that he didn't answer the question about what else could produce a signal @ 37.5 kHz (I thought that frequency was chosen because there wasn't anything else that uses it [natural or not]) however saying he refused to answer what frequency the signal was detected by Ocean Shield I think misrepresents what he said. He said he hadn't been advised what the frequency was however re-iterated that the signal detected was viewed as a potential lead. He also said that the information had only just been reported to him and he was relating it so as to explain why the Ocean Shield wasn't moving straight away to the Haixun 01's position.

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    Quote Posted by heretogrow (here)
    Quote Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
    he wasn't landing at male, he was attempting to drop into kadhdhoo airport with a wounded plane...

    onboard fire, communications out, and he had one small landing strip right in front of him when the natives heard the low flying plane...



    that landing strip is the Island below the green dot...



    the bottom black line on the flight path is the island




    to give this a reason for a closer look, after the fire tank was found, suddenly an official story appeared...

    Quote The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar – National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport
    March 29, 2014
    tags: flight 173 mH 370 maldives 615 am 8 mar 2014 INMARSAT satellite data jacksons intl airport flight 55093 N13979 Google Maps, flight MH370 pings maldives indian ocean hong kong gulf of guinea march 2014 flight 173, maldives mar 8 2014 flight 173 and flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport no Radar - pings INMARSAT SATELLITE with ACAS, N13979 Google Maps (1), no Radar flight Mh370 Kadhdhoo Airport eyewitness 8 mar 2014 615 am lands 620 am defense military technology Google Maps (2), The Maldives where flight MH370 was seen 8 mar 2014 615 am not picked up by Radar - National Defense Force or Kadhdhoo Airport

    link
    and yes you read that right...

    seen 6:15

    Lands 6:20...



    one of the whistleblowers mentioned setting off the landslide in Africa that would create a mass tsunami that would hit US East coast...

    can a plane be made into a big enough explosion to really set that off?


    from Rense 10 years ago...

    "What most don't know, however, is that on one of the Canary Islands lies a major global catastrophe in the making, a natural disaster so big that it could flatten the Atlantic coastlines of Britain, Europe, North Africa and the United States of America and cause enormous damage to London and other UK cities. Scattered across the world,s oceans are a handful of rare geological time-bombs which, once unleashed, create an extraordinary phenomenon, a gigantic tidal wave, called a Mega Tsunami. These are able to cross oceans and ravage countries on the other side of the world. The word Tsunami derives from the Japanese for harbour wave. They are normally generated by offshore earthquakes, sub-marine landslides and undersea volcanic activity, and range from barely perceptible waves to walls of water up to 300 feet high.

    Recently, scientists have realised that the next Mega Tsunami is likely to begin on one of the Canary Islands, off the coast of North Africa, where a wall of water will one day race across the entire Atlantic Ocean at the speed of a jet airliner to devastate the east coast of the United States, the Caribbean and Brazil. link"
    Oh my! There are so many brighter minds here than mine, and I am so grateful for that! Could this plane have been weaponized to set off the Global Coastal Event that Cliff High's Half Past Human website has been predicting for a long time now. If so, let us go to work to change that timeline now!
    this was the first time I heard that the flight pinged 10 days later, but wait, it was in the air over the US on the 22nd? Did it fly the cargo back?

    remember the headline "March 21, 2014 Malaysia Airlines “Suspicious Cargo” Destroyed In Massive New Mexico Explosion"



    I've never heard of these other pings, does anyone know anywhere to confirm the info?

    could a jet used in cloaking or running ping diversion have been flown back to Colorado without changing it's signal back?
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    I think at this point in the game, it would be fair to say that they have found that plane as indicated by those black box pings. And even if the pings stop pinging, which, according to the experts should be very soon, regardless if they are not able to locate that plane at the bottom of the ocean anywhere in that area where those pings are being picked up now, the official announcement about the demise of that plane will be that it crashed into the ocean due to mechanical failure probably as a result of a fire. Of course, we'll never know the details on that and if the fire was started intentionally or not but rest assured, there are no survivors in this incident.
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    A senior Malaysian government source told CNN that Flight 370 flew around Indonesian airspace after it dropped off Malaysian military radar. The plane may have been intentionally taken along a route designed to avoid radar detection, the source said.


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    So from that report, we could surmise that:
    * The plane was not controlled via remote
    * The plane was hijacked
    * Whomever was flying it was a trained 777 pilot
    * That possibly it was one of the original pilots of that plane but maybe he had a gun to his head and didn't have much choice in the matter wrt doing what the hijacker wanted.
    * That the airliner ran out of fuel and ended up crashing into the ocean?
    * Or the hijacker ordered the pilot to dive into the ocean?
    * Or maybe that was the decision of the pilot because by that time he didn't see any other options?

    Ques: So they flew around Indonesia to avoid radars just to crash in the Indian Ocean? If they planned on diving into the ocean anyway, why bother avoiding radars?
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    Malaysian police trawl through CCTV recordings for clues

    Police on Wednesday said they had "obtained some clues" on what might have happened to the flight, based on the statements recorded from more than 170 people. This number is climbing. It was the same day that they cleared all 227 passengers of the flight. They, however, did not give the same clearance to the aircraft's crew. Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar had said police were looking at the crew of the flight, as the main "subjects of investigations".

    Among visuals extracted from the CCTV recordings were that of a senior crew member who had a cigarette before the six-hour flight to Beijing. This visual was taken from the only available smoking area of the airport, located in its Satellite Building's East Zone. After checking in, some two hours before the flight, many of those on board the plane had at some point made contact through their phones. Some of the passengers took the opportunity to shop for souvenirs.

    Among those traced through the recordings were the two Iranians who went on board using assumed identities. Investigators combing the recordings, first spotted them at the toll plaza in separate vehicles.



    "One was in a taxi while the other was sent by a friend in a Proton Satria ... the vehicles stopped near each other and they walked in the same direction separately. They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands, but after that they again kept a distance from each other, they were very calm throughout. Their hands were glued to their phones, texting non-stop ..."

    The recordings also traced the 19 Chinese artists and calligraphers, the second largest group that were travelling together on MH370. After a visit to the the city centre in the scorching heat that Friday, they arrived at the airport much earlier before they checked-in. As the group of artists reached the boarding gate, the head of their delegation, Hou Bo, received a call from their Malaysian host asking how they were doing.

    Daniel Liau, who is the director of Art Peninsular Enterprise, the exhibition organiser, said he last contacted the delegation head Hou Bo when they boarded the plane on Friday midnight. “He (Hou Bo) told me on the phone that everything was fine with them. I regret this thing happened to them. Most of them are old people and very professional. Despite their age, they stayed at the exhibition venue from 10am until 10pm and yet didn’t complain of tiredness,”

    It is also learnt that Mr Fariq and chief stewardess Goh Sock Lay, 45, both communicated via messenger application WhatsApp about 11.30pm. This was the last exchange they made through the application.

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    Quote Posted by buares (here)
    They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
    If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.

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    They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
    If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.
    Their school friend said they were changing their hair colors before the flight to match the passports. It seems logical they would try not to appear together and stick to their phones so that no one would notice them.

    See my post: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post807786
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    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by buares (here)
    They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
    If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.

    Sorry but I don't agree with that even though it's fashionable within some conspiracy groups to debunk any connection to terrorism to Iranians or Arabs.

    That they both arrived at that airport at the same time in separate cars like that automatically raises some red flags including the fact that they were walking next to each other at that airport yet trying to appear like they didn't know each other so the prudent thing to do is to evaluate that in a more in-depth manner.

    PS -- that friend said that he took them to the airport but now we are finding out that each one arrived in a separate car. That's another red flag too.

    "An unnamed Iranian, who met both passengers in Malaysia and went with them to the airport, has spoken to the BBC's Persian service about the days before their departure. "One of the two was my friend from high school," he told BBC Persian on Monday by phone from Malaysia, apparently referring to Nour Mohammad."


    "I accompanied them to the airport. It was almost 8pm that we headed to the airport, and we arrived around 9pm to 9.15pm at the airport and we stayed in the car for few minutes and chatted."
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    Quote Posted by Roisin (here)
    Quote Posted by araucaria (here)
    Quote Posted by buares (here)
    They were trying hard to appear as if they didn't know each other at the airport. It was only much later that they pretended to bump into each other and shook hands
    If I read this in a piece of fiction I would put the book straight down. It is utter gibberish. If this is they best they can do to incriminate Iran(ians), it is pitifully inadequate.

    Sorry but I don't agree with that even though it's fashionable within some conspiracy groups to debunk any connection to terrorism to Iranians or Arabs.

    That they both arrived at that airport at the same time in separate cars like that automatically raises some red flags including the fact that they were walking next to each other at that airport yet trying to appear like they didn't know each other so the prudent thing to do is to evaluate that in a more in-depth manner.

    PS -- that friend said that he took them to the airport but now we are finding out that each one arrived in a separate car. That's another red flag too.

    "An unnamed Iranian, who met both passengers in Malaysia and went with them to the airport, has spoken to the BBC's Persian service about the days before their departure. "One of the two was my friend from high school," he told BBC Persian on Monday by phone from Malaysia, apparently referring to Nour Mohammad."

    "I accompanied them to the airport. It was almost 8pm that we headed to the airport, and we arrived around 9pm to 9.15pm at the airport and we stayed in the car for few minutes and chatted."
    You are taking the veracity of the narrative for granted (‘the fact that’…). Let me deconstruct this bad fiction for you. Typically a fictional character, as the name suggests, will be characterized. For example, he will be either smart or dumb, or smart playing dumb or dumb trying to act smart. If he is somehow inconsistent in such matters he will be either poorly characterized or it will be an attempt at depicting a personality disorder of some sort.

    Applying these principles here, you have two Iranians who are supposedly smart. You need to be somewhat smart (albeit ethically dumb) to take a Boeing 777 out of sight for a month – and that is what they are unavoidably involved in (otherwise why bring them up at all?). You don’t have to be a genius to act as a pawn in the bigger scenario, but you do need to be streetwise in connection with your part in that. Hence you would expect a terrorist at an airport to be aware of surveillance cameras, whose purpose is not to dissect a case a month after the event but hopefully to cause timely action to be taken before anything happens. They might choose to act smart, or to be even smarter by acting dumb. But they would be aware of the cameras at all times. And they would not act smart by staying apart, and then act dumb by shaking hands. In fictional terms it is poor characterization, and in real-life terms it makes no real sense. These guys would have to be real dummies trying to play smart and failing miserably. It is hard to say which was the dumbest thing to do: a) arriving almost together and having to pretend not to know each other, when even a totally inexperienced terrorist like you or me (well me at any rate ) would know to stagger arrival times, or b) subsequently pretending to bump into each other and shaking hands for the camera (how smart was that?) or c) realizing their mistake and splitting up.

    To imagine a terrorist plot employing such grossly incompetent actors beggars belief. If this is truly what is shown on the surveillance cameras, then a much simpler explanation is the totally innocent situation of two Iranians bumping into each other and exchanging a brief word. They may have been two semi-strangers who had just met at some conference for example. That would not even involve a coincidence. But again, the whole narrative is probably made up.

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    Yesterday, Sarah Bajc 'liked' the following article on her Facebook page:

    Phillip Wood, Flight MH370, Diego Garcia and the black photo. - ThatsNonsense.com

    [...] We contacted a website called fourandsix.com who deal with digital forensics, and they reiterated that altering the EXIF information can be done, and even ran an instance of the photo through a project belonging to them called izitru.com, a website designed to tell if photos have been modified. The results suggested that the photo was not the original, and that it has been run through a type of photo editing software. This is not to say that the photo itself had been digitally manipulated, but highlights a strong possibility that the photo had indeed been modified in some significant way.

    We ran multiple instances of the photo, obtained from various websites, through the same site and received similar results.



    One of the tests performed by izitru.com suggested that the EXIF information present was not consistent with that of an iPhone 5 output – this information seems to be supported by an evaluation from a site known as fotoforensics.com, who analysed the photo and maintained that important EXIF information that would normally be present in an iPhone 5 photo was not there, and many values were inconsistent to what one would expect to find in a photo from an iPhone 5. Ultimately suggesting [again] that the photo had been modified.

    Quote Posted by fotoforensics.com
    Some conspiracy sites claim that this is a photo from one of the passengers on the missing Flight MH370. The specific claim is that this is a camera-original "selfie" with GPS coordinates that identify the location as the island of Diego Garcia. The claims are false. The conspiracy is promoting a hoax.

    While the GPS data does identify the location as tiny island of Diego Garcia, the metadata is inconsistent with an iPhone 5 running iOS 7.0.6. In particular, it is missing metadata fields that should be present (e.g., Makernotes and EXIF thumbnail), contains metadata that should not be present (Image Unique ID and IPTC Digest information -- both are created by applications), and has inconsistent timestamps: the "Modify Date" is 18 minutes 53 seconds after the creation date. Even the GPS information is inconsistent with the data generated by an iPhone. The metadata has been intentionally modified in order to support the hoax.
    Furthermore, after more investigation into the photo, we found the term “Picasa” located inside the images EXIF output.


    The EXIF information

    Picasa is a Google owned image organiser and editor that, amongst other things, has the ability to alter EXIF information, including GPS coordinates. It’s entry into the EXIF information of the photo is not consistent with an original iPhone 5 photo.

    [...] Whilst many conspiracy theorist will invariably come out with plenty of “100% confirmed evidence” that they claim will prove the theory that MH370 was hijacked or captured, this photo – that the entire Diego Garcia theory seems largely reliant on – certainly does not qualify as any kind of evidence, and frankly shouldn’t be trusted at all.

    “I think this is the first time I’ve seen a photo of nothing presented as proof of anything.”www.fourandsix.com
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    araucaria,

    Supposing the Malaysian authorities who made those observations about those 2 young men were not lying and were, in fact, telling the truth. Supposing there's even a video showing each one getting out of a separate car when they arrived at the airport even though BBC news interviewed a close friend of theirs who said that he went to that airport with them in ONE car. So who's lying and who's telling the truth?

    The friend who said they all arrived at the airport in one car or those investigators who stated that each passenger arrived in a separate car as indicated by a surveillance video showing each one exiting a separate car at the door of that airport?

    And if that friend was lying about that, what else was he lying about?

    But in this case, we have 2 people who are using fake passports. So for that reason it would be understandable why they would be streetwise and act like they don't know each other... at least not until they are in the small waiting area where they are waiting to board the plane. By then they will have already gone through the hurdle of checking-in using their fake passports so there would not have been any reason for them to carry on the charade that they didn't know each other anymore -- though they did it in such a way to make it seem like they were surprised to see each other getting ready to board the same plane. Yes, that was all an act and it's one that I'm sure any professional intelligence officer would pick up on right away. lol

    At any rate, based on this most recent update that the plane was hijacked, for all we know, there may be others who have orchestrated this hijacking who hired those Iranian men to divert our attention from the real culprits having to do with the hijacking and disappearance of this plane. But at least on the surface, that we have 2 people with fake passports from a hostile country that pumps out terrorists is something that all investigator's are going to be looking at. Sometimes the culprit is in plain sight and for all we know, those 2 may have hijacked that plane. We don't know any more about that than what any of those other theories are saying but in this case, we at least have something more tangible than nothing at all; a video indicating that their friend had lied to the authorities about them arriving in one car when in fact they each arrived in a separate car.

    That's something that they will have definitely taken note of.
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