Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[Atlas]

The below article was published 3 weeks ago:

Could a small BOMB have been hidden inside one of the crates of fruit stacked in the cargo hold on MH370?

Why didn't you post it ? Did you refuse to do so, or what was your motive ? Please explain...

(source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...estigated.html)

[Roisin]

Buare... please stop diverting from the topic of this thread. We are not talking about it being first published on the 18th... And so what if it was. That does not make that information any less valid.
Please go back to that other thread ok?? Please???


Once again.... here is the topic of this thread. It's on this NBC news article:

U.N. Says It Detected No Crash or Explosion


"Sensitive nuclear monitoring equipment has found no evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 exploded or crashed, the U.N. said Monday.

While seismic systems used by the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization are intended to detect nuclear explosions, they're also capable of picking up "the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water," Stephane Dujarric, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon's spokesman, told reporters in New York.

But tests over the weekend had confirmed that "neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Dujarric said Monday.

The organization's executive secretary ordered that all its sensors be used to try to find the plane, and he encouraged scientists from around the world to "carefully study the available data," Dujarric said."

[Bob]

Roisin posted in another thread, "Missing Jet Update, UN says it detected no crash or explosion" (with a suggestion that that thread be merged with this one).. that there is an organization that uses monitoring stations that can detect atmospheric infrasonic (very low pressure waves) - such is part of the monitoring network for the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

They monitor in the Air and Water (infrasonic microphones and hydrophones), they monitor from seismic (sensitive seismometers) earth mounted detectors, and they monitor 24/7 using a 4 geosynchronous 100% earth monitoring satellite system not letting any area of the earth be un-monitored at any time (synthetic aperture radar). And they use other sensors for picking up radio-active substances in the air.

The organization doing the monitoring publishes a FACT SHEET in PDF form. - http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documen...fact-sheet.pdf

They also publish a map showing the sensor locations worldwide..

Something that caught my attention in their map:
http://www.ctbto.org/fileadmin/conte...s_mapfront.pdf
(full map at the above pdf)
snipped map here:

Legend:

There are two sensor locations "out in the ocean" - with corresponding identification numbers..

One location looks like it is at Diego Garcia - with sensors identified as:
IS52 - InfraSound monitor
RN66 - Radio Nuclide Station
HA8 - underwater hydrophone

Another one towards the Australian continent:
IS6 - Infra Sound Monitor
RN8 - RadioNuclide Station
(What other island(?) is this and does it have a big runway? Who is based there?) A: Cocos Keeling Islands, over 8000 foot runway, potential key strategic military base location

The data according to the statement at the bottom of "the map" says, the data is transmitted to the IDC (international data center) located in CTBTO PrepCom in Vienna.

My suggestion is for someone to request that data from those two monitoring locations pointed out above.

NB: To get the last 45 days from sensors - IS52, HA8, and IS6

If one wanted to try "triangulation of anomalies" adding in InfraSound sensors from IS16 on the mainland would add the third point. A hyperbolic curve (similar to Inmarsat's projected flight curve) could be obtained with just the data from the two sensors IS52 and IS6 though which should be closer to the "crash" area.

Obviously a "second opinion" on the data-sets stored in Vienna would be appropriate to verify, and cross-check data, potentially leading to an explosion site (or air explosion if such happened), and potentially a crash site (but I seriously doubt that a crash into the water would set off a very large infra-sonic signature at such a distance from the monitors).

Can anyone help with getting this exact data from those monitors? with reference to take off's and landings.

Potential useful tracking "data" obtained from these locations:

As far as the InSar satellites goes - in theory, the interference pattern created by a jet flying would leave a track (if the data has been captured), showing the movement, directional heading of this flight. Supposedly we could assume then, the IDC (international data center) located in CTBTO PrepCom in Vienna would have that data as well, or could obtain such if it hasn't already..

ref: INSAR Q/A understanding the monitoring satellites.

[Atlas]

Posted by Roisin (here)
Buare... please stop diverting from the topic of this thread. We are not talking about it being first published on the 18th... And so what if it was. That does not make that information any less valid.

It was published on the 11th and no, that does not make the information less valid.

[Roisin]

It either crashed or it didn't. Scientific data indicates that it never crashed on land or water.

That's the topic of this thread Buares. Ok?

There's no scientific data that indicates in any way, shape or form that it did... as you believe, crash in the Indian Ocean.

PS .... Buares... for the 100th time, the topic of this thread is on that NBC article that I posted at the beginning of this thread... I even labeled this thread with that headline.

Please refrain from diverting any conversation on the contents of that article in this thread. Ok? Thank you.

[Atlas]

Here is the official data:

[Roisin]

Please post the link to that article Buares. thank you

Here's the original file on that and it's 5 pages long:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ines_MH370.pdf


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Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

UNITED NATIONS: A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

"Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight... the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far," Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Source: http://articles.economictimes.indiat...ne-crash-ctbto

[Atlas]

EDIT: Threads were merged (see next post) so I remove this double post.

[Billy]

Posted by Roisin (here)

Like I said, no prob here if the mods want to transfer this thread to that main one. In fact, now that you bring this up, I would prefer that they do that. thanks

Threads Merged.

Peace

[Bob]

Posted by buares (here)
Here is the official data:

IS06 then is Cocos Island, and IS52 and H8 is on Diego Garcia..

It is suggested that 45 days of monitoring data is essential to be obtained from those locations. I would say essential actually.

The runway at Cocos is 8,009 ft × 148 ft, which should be "long enough".. in theory. Its a bit out of the way tho..

Roisin does this pix look familiar?

Ed update:

see above, the LAST PARAGRAPH should be obvious what that means for the IS52 sensor log..

[Roisin]

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

Tags: Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization, CTBTO, Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, Malaysian Airlines Flight, MH370

United Nations, Mar 18: A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight… the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS). While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

CTBTO said infrasound is produced by a variety of natural and man-made sources like exploding volcanoes, earthquakes, meteors, storms and auroras in the natural world; nuclear, mining and large chemical explosions, as well as aircraft and rocket launches in the man-made arena.

Infrasound monitoring is one of the four technologies used by the International Monitoring System (IMS) to verify compliance with the nuclear test ban treaty. The IDC routinely detect signals from commercial planes taking-off and landing at airports located in the proximity of IMS infrasound stations. In the past, CTBTO stations have detected some plane accidents, including the crash of a plane at Narita airport in Japan in March 2009.

Modified Date: March 18, 2014 1:31 PM

http://www.india.com/loudspeaker/mal...etected-24478/

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Flight MH370: UN N-watchdog says no explosion or crash detected

The verification system put in place to detect nuclear explosions is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft as well as its impact on the ground or on water

United Nations, Mar 18 (PTI): A UN-backed nuclear watchdog has said that it did not detect either any explosion or crash that could be linked to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, amid continued speculation over fate of the aircraft.

“Regarding the missing Malaysian Airlines flight… the Vienna-based Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO) confirmed that neither an explosion nor a plane crash on land or on water had been detected so far,” Spokesman for UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon Stephane Dujarric told reporters here yesterday.

Dujarric said plane accidents may be detected, depending on individual circumstances, by three of the four technologies used by the CTBTO’s International Monitoring System (IMS).

While the verification system has been put in place to detect nuclear explosions, it is also able to detect the explosion of a larger aircraft, as well as its impact on the ground or on water.

CTBTO Executive Secretary Lassina Zerbo had last week said that he would put the sensors of the organization at work to see if a possible explosion at high altitude of the missing Malaysian Airlines plane could be detected.

Zerbo has also encouraged all scientists from UN member states to carefully study the available data. He had said the CTBTO uses “infrasound” – or infrasonic sensors – to monitor the earth mainly for atmospheric nuclear explosions.

Dujarric said the CTBTO has a network, as part of their Test-Ban-Treaty, of extremely sensitive sensors throughout the world that detect nuclear explosions and earthquakes.

The flight MH370 carrying 239 people has been missing since March 8 and a multi-national search has so far shed little light on where the plane could have landed or crashed.

Zerbo had asked the head of the CTBTO’s International Data Center (IDC) to look at the data to find any clues about the missing plane.

Zerbo said infrasound would be the best technology to check for an explosion on the missing plane if there was a monitoring station nearby, “or the explosion is at a level or at an amplitude that it could be detected.”

“There’s a possibility, it’s not absolute, that the technology like the Infrazone could be able to detect” an explosion, he had said.

The mystery of the missing plane from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing since March 8 continued to baffle aviation and security authorities who have not succeeded in tracking the aircraft despite deploying hi-tech radar and other gadgets.

http://www.tehelka.com/flight-mh370-...rash-detected/

[panopticon]

Posted by Bobd (here)

Posted by buares (here)
Here is the official data:

IS06 then is Cocos Island, and IS52 and H8 is on Diego Garcia..

It is suggested that 45 days of monitoring data is essential to be obtained from those locations. I would say essential actually.

The runway at Cocos is 8,009 ft × 148 ft, which should be "long enough".. in theory. Its a bit out of the way tho..

Roisin does this pix look familiar?

Beat me by that much...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(Keeling)_Islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(...slands_Airport
http://www.cocoskeelingislands.com.au

-- Pan

[Roisin]

Posted by panopticon (here)

Posted by Bobd (here)

Posted by buares (here)
Here is the official data:

IS06 then is Cocos Island, and IS52 and H8 is on Diego Garcia..

It is suggested that 45 days of monitoring data is essential to be obtained from those locations. I would say essential actually.

The runway at Cocos is 8,009 ft × 148 ft, which should be "long enough".. in theory. Its a bit out of the way tho..

Roisin does this pix look familiar?

Beat me by that much...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(Keeling)_Islands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocos_(...slands_Airport
http://www.cocoskeelingislands.com.au

-- Pan

That photo is interesting to me because that small airport that I "saw" seemed somewhat retro... and the runway in that photo looks old and not modernized. Also, from my viewpoint or rather, my line of vision saw a waterbody on one side of that runway... I had my back to the other side of it so I could not tell what was behind me. But very interesting photo and it does have a certain familiarity to it. Not just saying this either... it really does.

[Hervé]

Bumpity-bump:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Now, back to the topic, the only realistic conclusion that can be drawn from the "seismographic" data analysis is that there was no high altitude free fall crash nor huge explosion fitting in that time window.

That doesn't exclude low altitude crash or belly landing or multiple small explosions, etc...

[Bob]

An airport about this level of "development" ?

Cocos Keeling "international" airport

topic - did "it" land there, this is in the route projection as a possibility..

also- there are sensors here that MONITOR aircraft takeoff and landings as was posted earlier, infrasonic sensors.. and sensors on diego garcia (hint hint hint) that routinely monitor take offs and landings..

Please see my post above https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post820111 above for the significances..

[Roisin]

Saw a muslim girl wearing a scarf and a bike in that lucid dream of that airport and runway with a jumbo jet parked on the tarmac pic above is showing a wedding party on that island.

Bikes are in an old rack in front of the airport's building so that indicates that people use the bike to get around on that island.

Also I said that there could be a university nearby or affiliated with that airport and based on Babd's pic... that building apparently is an Information center and Museum at that airport. Not the same but all of those are learning educational centers.


interesting!

[avid]

Oh deary me = come-out come-out wherever you are, it's only a small matter of time, as the batteries are 'shot', so the HMS Echo ship dashed to Diego Garcia, collected the 'black box' and dropped it off to another ship so it could be 'found' just on deadline...
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-...t-2461592.html

The thot plickens.... will this never end? We just want to know who did what to whom, why, and if there was a global catastrophe averted? Also - to give closure to all of those missing people, who seem to be expendable in the technological nonsense. Of course 'they' know - but as Selene said earlier - they can't admit their technology!!! Unforgiveable, inhumane and stinks of corporate greed again.

[Bob]

One can "drop a box" from an aircraft, and lots have been flying in the area, as pointed out, and the "boxes" cost 10K-15K$.. not a big investment considering how much it costs to search with ships.. they are designed to withstand being tossed about from an aircraft from thousands of feet.. no need to drop one off by boat.. As to Diego Garcia, all the points are simple, the flights in and out of Diego Garcia AND Cocos are on record.. and could be checked against projected landing times.

As pointed out in an earlier post, any black box flight data recorder can be programmed, "filled with simulated/emulated data" and what's then stored in there can say anything desired as far as data goes. (An example patent that showed an apparatus for doing such type of programming was mentioned). A recorder putting out signals past it's battery life time easily could be from a "freshly dropped" recorder.

Should all that be the case as far as the "box" goes, why would such have to be done, other than it will give a convenient method to keep a plane and its events disappeared.. or a convenient way to "create closure".

As mentioned on the UN report, if they are not fabricating their capabilities of monitoring aircraft taking off, and landing, by using infrasonic records, that their records prove one way or another, landings/takeoffs as previously suggested in the various conspiracy websites, and other websites, that correspond to "CDC lands at Diego Garcia (US and China) long before the missing plane.." (reference to a potential hazardous cargo/infection), or they could verify possibly the plane seen at the Maldives (the vibration of such could have been recorded if it in fact happened) that morning, or if it landed at the projected landing time at Diego Garcia. AND if it took off afterwards..

[Roisin]

US military eyes Cocos Islands as a future Indian Ocean spy base

United States military aircraft, including drones undertaking surveillance operations over the South China Sea, could be based on Australia's Cocos and Keeling Islands in the Indian Ocean.

As part of enhanced US-Australian military co-operation announced in November by Julia Gillard and the US President, Barack Obama, the islands would replace the US's present Indian Ocean base of Diego Garcia, which the US leases from the British and is due to be mothballed in 2016.

The Washington Post reported yesterday that the US was eyeing the Cocos Islands, 2700 kilometres east of Diego Garcia, as ''an ideal site not only for manned US surveillance aircraft but for Global Hawks, an unarmed, high-altitude surveillance drone''.


''Aircraft based in the Cocos would be well positioned to launch spy flights over the South China Sea,'' the Post reported....

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politi...#ixzz2yK8I4C79

Published March 26, 2012

[Atlas]

Military secrets are not for civilian TV news
by Tony Gosling, April 04

[...] MH370’s pilot was simply called by the military on a frequency not being recorded by Air Traffic Control and told something along the lines of, “Vietnamese and other unspecified airspace is suddenly unsafe to fly in due to a military incident so please change frequency and follow instructions to a distant airstrip where we can put you down safely." The was followed by something like, "Please do not inform passengers as this may alarm them.” The pilot would then be likely to simply comply and passengers may never know that anything was wrong. [...]