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    What is the monetary system? Enslavement.
    Enslavement is as old as the world. Money enables some sort of a civilized, modern form of enslavement in a certain period in time in the natural evolution of species (cf. Thomas Hobbes, Adam Smith). Money has the capacity to get the best and worst out of men. Money accelerates time and history as the absolute majority of men are attracted to it. The energy dynamics of all those billions running after a small salary raise are enormous.

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    Personally (and I hate to get all negative like this) I look at the math and can only come to the conclusion that we are irrevocably F'd in the current system and any follow-on system that shares the capitalistic mind set ...
    Yes, alternative money systems within the same capitalistic setting are more of the same and won’t change a single bit. Only the radical inside-out has the potential for change, ex. sacred economics (cf. Eaglespirit's post above). Giving without expecting anything in return versus the fittest takes (controls) it all. It's important to know whether systems, institutions, laws exist to limit the principle of love or whether they exist to limit men being a wolf for his fellow men. Below an image posted by Ulli in the village next door.

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    IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION. HOW LONG DO
    WE WANT TO LIVE IN THIS ILLUSORY WORLD, IS ALL UP TO US...


    Sure has a familiar ring to it.... but on a larger scale. Interesting.
    It's a slow day in the small town of Pumphandle and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.
    A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.
    As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
    The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
    The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.
    The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.
    The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.
    The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything
    At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.
    No one produced anything. No one earned anything.
    However, the whole town now thinks that they are out of debt and there is a false atmosphere of optimism and glee.
    And that, my friends, is how a "government stimulus package" works!

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    Thanks Target, Jake, Bill, Paul and T-Smith for all the info.
    I am trying to learn and understand the money system, since it is one of the key components that need to be addresses by humankind soon imo.

    I think it's very encouraging that more and more people are waking up to the fact that we have a rigged money system and that it is going to blow up any time soon.
    The more consciousness is raised about this issue, the more we stand a chance to change it.

    Paul, you mentioned in one of your early post that you think that whoever is issuing the money, it will always attract the power hungry sociopaths.
    Even a government that is issuing it's own money would not escape from it.
    This may be so, but when a government would issue it's own money and bring it into circulation without interest, would that not be a great improvement?
    Also, there would be some form of control to it, since we can vote the government off if it is not performing as it should.

    Bill Still seems to be an advocate of this idea anyway.

    Here he is talking with an Israeli man who is leading an initiative to get this idea into the Israeli government.


    According to Bill Still, Israel is on it's way to become the first nation that beats this thing (the current money system).
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    Paul, you mentioned in one of your early post that you think that whoever is issuing the money, it will always attract the power hungry sociopaths.
    Even a government that is issuing it's own money would not escape from it.
    This may be so, but when a government would issue it's own money and bring it into circulation without interest, would that not be a great improvement?
    Also, there would be some form of control to it, since we can vote the government off if it is not performing as it should.
    Hah - do informed and competent voters control their government in the US or the Eurozone?

    In the history of the US, it took the banking bastards over a century and a few assassinated Presidents to complete the deal, but they finally rammed the Federal Reserve through Congress on Christmas Eve of 1913.
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    Quote Posted by Creative Lorraine (here)
    IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION. HOW LONG DO
    WE WANT TO LIVE IN THIS ILLUSORY WORLD, IS ALL UP TO US...


    Sure has a familiar ring to it.... but on a larger scale. Interesting.
    It's a slow day in the small town of Pumphandle and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.
    A nice story ... but it obscures the essential nature and dangers of our present debt-based monetary system.

    Unlike that story, we can't pay it all ... not ever.

    There are always more goods and services promised to be repaid than exists. The promises come in many and confusing forms, including not just the debt itself and interest owed on that debt, but also the promised social benefits, bank "savings", the apparent wealth in promised pensions, and inflated stock, bond and real estate values.

    What's more, the Banksters are not like that naive visitor to Pumphandle. They consciously control the money supply, by consciously controlling how much is lent, in order to control society, governments, corporations and individuals. It's a game that no one else can win, and that only they control.

    Like the opiate drug dealer (or the present-day conventional allopathic medical doctor and your friendly neighborhood pharmicist), they get you hooked and then they suck you dry. Indeed, since money is convertible to and from all these other more specific addictions, the big businesses (be it Afghan poppy fields or Sloan-Kettering) feeding these addictions are just particular manifestations of big banking.
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    Paul, you mentioned in one of your early post that you think that whoever is issuing the money, it will always attract the power hungry sociopaths.
    Even a government that is issuing it's own money would not escape from it.
    This may be so, but when a government would issue it's own money and bring it into circulation without interest, would that not be a great improvement?
    Also, there would be some form of control to it, since we can vote the government off if it is not performing as it should.
    Hah - do informed and competent voters control their government in the US or the Eurozone?

    In the history of the US, it took the banking bastards over a century and a few assassinated Presidents to complete the deal, but they finally rammed the Federal Reserve through Congress on Christmas Eve of 1913.

    Exactly.... and because the whole setup was done covertly and non transparent, people remained ignorant of what was going on behind the scenes and had no idea to who the government had to answer (the bankers instead of the voters).
    At least, when the government would issue the money, there would be transparency (to some degree) and when it is done free of interest, you wouldn't get the bursting bubble that we experience now.

    I'm not saying that this would be a problem free solution, but at least with this, the control lays closer to the people and not to the elites.

    All I'm really trying to say is that imo there is a difference between the two systems and that the one where the government issues the money offers much more opportunity for a thriving society.
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    All I'm really trying to say is that imo there is a difference between the two systems and that the one where the government issues the money offers much more opportunity for a thriving society.
    Agreed - now if only the bastards would let it stay that way.
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    Money, or any form of currency or trade, is simply a tool.

    Someone figured out a form of currency is needed to trade, buy or sell.

    Someone decided what the ‘tool’ will be.

    Someone figured out how to produce or manufacture the ‘tool’.

    A few learn to master (or use) the tool and can use the tool correctly and to their advantage and within the system it was created.

    Many try to redefine the ‘tool’ thinking they can do it better and completely miss the original point of the ‘tool’s’ use and design.

    The large majority think they know how to use the ‘tool’ and completely destroy any benefit they would have had and have to call in professionals to correct what they have done to themselves and their ability to buy, sell or trade . . . . which then further acerbates the problem.

    Many (most) are jealous and angry toward the few that completely understand the full use and mastery of the ‘tool’ and demand that those few share their knowledge without putting any effort or work in their own understanding of how the ‘tool’ works or their ability to work the 'tool'.

    A very few understand the true benefits and downfalls of the ‘tool’ and fail miserably in weighing out those benefits and downfalls.

    A very few understand that using the ‘tool’ without fully understanding the use of the ‘tool’ and the reason for its creation will put them in perpetual failure within the created system that they choose to remain in.

    A very few understand and are wise enough to know the limits of their ability to use the ‘tool’ in the way it was designed and intended. They study hard to learn what they can on using the ‘tool’ and stay securely within those parameters they understand and build from this foundation.

    The ‘tool’ is not evil. The reason (buy sell trade) the ‘tool’ was created is not evil. Those who created the ‘tool’ or are masters in the business of using the ‘tool’ are not evil.

    What I see are the many that put such unrealistic value and deep desire in ‘owning the tool’ and what they think that ‘tool’ could create for them that they create a life illusion that entraps them.

    Study the ‘tool’ and be realistic in how the ‘tool’ can benefit you and your life. Be realistic and modest with your ability to use the ‘tool’. Don’t covet or desire what you feel those who have mastered the ‘tool’ have and what you think of their lifestyle.

    Money is simply a ‘tool’ and nothing else . . . . .

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    Quote Posted by Creative Lorraine (here)
    IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION. HOW LONG DO
    WE WANT TO LIVE IN THIS ILLUSORY WORLD, IS ALL UP TO US...


    Sure has a familiar ring to it.... but on a larger scale. Interesting.
    It's a slow day in the small town of Pumphandle and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.
    A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.
    As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
    The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
    The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.
    The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.
    The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.
    The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything
    At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.
    No one produced anything. No one earned anything.
    However, the whole town now thinks that they are out of debt and there is a false atmosphere of optimism and glee.
    And that, my friends, is how a "government stimulus package" works!
    It is an amusing anecdote, and one that illustrates well the concept of slavery. But actually, if you think about it, it's not quite accurate that no one earned anything. The Federal Reserve Bank, as silent creditor that enables the entire cycle of debt, earned (okay, perhaps not exactly the right verb) extracted, in a vampiric manner, interest on top of that $100 dollar bill. Since the interest doesn't exist to begin with (until it's created), we can envisage this abstraction by understanding it as a certain percent of all the human capital and expenditure of labor/energy, in the aggregate, extracted from every aspect of our lives and fed back to the Federal Reserve Bank.
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    Quote Posted by T Smith (here)
    Quote Posted by Creative Lorraine (here)
    IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION. HOW LONG DO
    WE WANT TO LIVE IN THIS ILLUSORY WORLD, IS ALL UP TO US...


    Sure has a familiar ring to it.... but on a larger scale. Interesting.
    It's a slow day in the small town of Pumphandle and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody is living on credit.
    A tourist visiting the area drives through town, stops at the motel, and lays a $100 bill on the desk saying he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs to pick one for the night.
    As soon as he walks upstairs, the motel owner grabs the bill and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher.
    The butcher takes the $100 and runs down the street to retire his debt to the pig farmer.
    The pig farmer takes the $100 and heads off to pay his bill to his supplier, the Co-op.
    The guy at the Co-op takes the $100 and runs to pay his debt to the local prostitute, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer her "services" on credit.
    The hooker rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill with the hotel owner.
    The hotel proprietor then places the $100 back on the counter so the traveler will not suspect anything
    At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, picks up the $100 bill and leaves.
    No one produced anything. No one earned anything.
    However, the whole town now thinks that they are out of debt and there is a false atmosphere of optimism and glee.
    And that, my friends, is how a "government stimulus package" works!
    It is an amusing anecdote, and one that illustrates well the concept of slavery. But actually, if you think about it, it's not quite accurate that no one earned anything. The Federal Reserve Bank, as silent creditor that enables the entire cycle of debt, earned (okay, perhaps not exactly the right verb) extracted, in a vampiric manner, interest on top of that $100 dollar bill. Since the interest doesn't exist to begin with (until it's created), we can envisage this abstraction by understanding it as a certain percent of all the human capital and expenditure of labor/energy, in the aggregate, extracted from every aspect of our lives and fed back to the Federal Reserve Bank.


    I must admit that I am not an expert in money... This analogy is quite clever, I like it. However,, I wonder if there would be any money left at the end of the cycle based on the fact that everytime the money changed hands,,, there would be taxes!! Taxes, interest, etc... If this same hundred dollar bill was exchanged 100 times during a day,, (based on a ten percent tax rate),, sure, you are still left with the original 100 dollar bill,,, but the tax man and banker have made a THOUSAND DOLLARS,,, just by watching ONE HUNDRED dollars circulate!!

    If a single dollar bill was exchanged and traded and taxed 100 times during a day (based on a ten percent tax rate) the tax man gets a hundred dollars from that single dollar bill... if we are talking loans, and debts,,, the banksters get paid too!!

    I don't think that my brain has the capacity to understand how much money is being 'generated' by taxing every single exchange of every single dollar,,, borrowed or not. I cant wrap mee brain around it.


    I personally lament money. Wherever there is money,,, there are greedy people trying to take it!! That has been my experience... Somebody somewhere in history began to stockpile money,,, and we all been trying to build stockpiles ever since. It is madness... Now,,, if you don't have money,,,,, you have no worth!! Not based on anything natural or organic about the human condition,, just based on OTHER peoples love of money... I really have no problem with people having lots of money,,,, Go for it. Get rich,,, take a bath in your cash!! My problem is that the mad rush for money has left behind an exposed underbelly of ever-worsening conditions for the poorest of people. And as they continue to siphon money from the world,,, the giant pile of poor people continues to grow...

    I don't know enough about it to make too much of an intelligent analogy of how I feel. I just don't have a materialistic view of the world... I can't think of what I would buy with a million dollars,,, much less ten or a hundred million. It all blurs past that.. There is a world of filthy (pathetically) rich/elite folks that have gone mad with money/power/greed... I don't understand!!

    I'm like Adam Sandler in Wedding Singer,,, I'd be happy to be paid in MeatBalls...

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    It is an amusing anecdote, and one that illustrates well the concept of slavery. But actually, if you think about it, it's not quite accurate that no one earned anything. The Federal Reserve Bank, as silent creditor that enables the entire cycle of debt, earned (okay, perhaps not exactly the right verb) extracted, in a vampiric manner, interest on top of that $100 dollar bill.
    It's worse than just the interest extracted, I think.

    They gained control over the property and resources, and over the tax and income revenue streams, that were offered as collateral for the loans.

    They gained control over the individuals, organizations, corporations and governments that went more than a little bit into debt.

    They gained control over the world's economy, with centuries of boom and bust cycles, driven by the over extension of credit followed by its retraction.

    Would that it were only that bit of interest .

    They care not who makes our laws, so long as they make our money (presently by the means of lending it into existence, at such times and places, to such borrowers, for such terms, as they might choose.)
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    Quote Posted by Jake (here)
    If this same hundred dollar bill was exchanged 100 times during a day,, (based on a ten percent tax rate),, sure, you are still left with the original 100 dollar bill,,, but the tax man and banker have made a THOUSAND DOLLARS,,, just by watching ONE HUNDRED dollars circulate!!

    If a single dollar bill was exchanged and traded and taxed 100 times during a day (based on a ten percent tax rate) the tax man gets a hundred dollars from that single dollar bill... if we are talking loans, and debts,,, the banksters get paid too!!

    I don't think that my brain has the capacity to understand how much money is being 'generated' by taxing every single exchange of every single dollar,,, borrowed or not. I cant wrap mee brain around it.
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    Money, or any form of currency or trade, is simply a tool.
    Well, not "simply" a tool. That down plays the use to which money has been put, as perhaps the most effective tool of enslavement of humanity ever invented.
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    What? What? What?
    So even if I omit myself from debt by paying cash for everything. No loans, no debt. Cash for McDonalds, cars, houses, even hotels, that I still promote a debt based system. The taxes still go for a debt that cannot be paid off? So even if I use money more true to it's original nature, so I don't have to barter with cows or chickens or carry gold, that I still feed a debt based society? Once that money goes into the bank it gets inflated 10 times more. Although, I am not so naive that not all banks do the same amount of requesting huge amounts of money but that most of the big players are the ones that are more ruthless. I certainly have asked where does the money go.

    Hmmmm Unless everyone does the same thing at the same time and starts literally paying cash for everything we cannot be free, which is a hard battle since this is already skewed in favor of those who have wealth now and are still holding a lot of power. Complicated by some people do make huge amounts of money yet have huge debts and some people make very little and are millionaires.

    Well, I can stay on a deserted Island never to trade again and declare myself a nation of one. Problem solved for me, the rest of you are on your own. Wait, that doesn't feel right and boring.

    While not addressing the true root of the problem as you are trying to fix the cause of what's going on here in the forum, a step might be to not tax the poor at all. The rich pay 30%-40% tax rate in the USA and I think it is a huge chunk. So why still tax the poor. This stimulates growth and spending in an area that needs it.

    I wouldn't want to separate classes farther. We already say upper middle class and lower middle class etc. Sounds like a caste system, a hierarchy which is an old and rooted concept true.

    My mom has suggested, only tax goods and services and not income at all. This reflects better one's economy whether in a growth spurt, stable economy or depression. Tax only the things we buy or services rendered, which reflects the potential as well as true production and what people truly want also. Do not tax income at all. Again, does not address the true root of the problem but steps farther down the road maybe. Also get rid of 30 year loans, loans are OK but that long is too long a period of time to be able to seize property, especially not allowing a buffer period when the economy does go bad. And it doesn't reflect a more mobile society. FYI It is unwise to argue with my mother she is always right.

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    Hmmmm Unless everyone does the same thing at the same time and starts literally paying cash for everything we cannot be free, which is a hard battle since this is already skewed in favor of those who have wealth now and are still holding a lot of power. Complicated by some people do make huge amounts of money yet have huge debts and some people make very little and are millionaires.
    I wouldn't matter if every single person used "cash" to trade for goods and services. Cash is still debt. Every dollar printed is a loan to the U.S. government, backed by its ability to tax its citizens. So even if you personally are not in debt, if you use cash you are under the yolk of debt in the aggregate. You are still a slave.

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    While not addressing the true root of the problem as you are trying to fix the cause of what's going on here in the forum, a step might be to not tax the poor at all. The rich pay 30%-40% tax rate in the USA and I think it is a huge chunk. So why still tax the poor. This stimulates growth and spending in an area that needs it.
    The poor already don't pay income tax, for the most part. I'm not sure of the exact statistic, but I think it is something along the line of 50% of all Americans do not even pay the income tax. But that speaks more to the decline of the middle class than anything else. And that's not to say the poor aren't taxed heavily. For the most part, the taxes they do pay (payroll, excise, sales taxes, local, state, etc.) reflect a much greater percentage of their income than the taxes the "so-called" rich pay. (I do take issue with that term, however. Middle class is not rich, despite the caste-system conditioning that leads the lower-income castes to view any higher-income castes as "rich". This conditioning is foisted upon the populous, in a balkanizing manner to ensure everybody will eventually belong to the lower-income caste). The tax that is the most pernicious and unfair to the lower-income caste is the hidden tax, a.k.a. inflation. When the real rate of inflation is 9% a year, that debasement of purchasing power represents a HUGE chunk of discretionary income in proportion to the overall income of low-income earners, who, at best may have increases in wages at the "official" rate of inflation, say 1 - 2% a year. In my humble estimation, very few people understand this dynamic.

    Finally, I would just add that taxation on any income class, be it on low, middle, or high, has nothing whatsoever to do with funding the operations of the government. Taxation is for purposes of social engineering and control, not for revenue. But I would disagree with those who do understand this dynamic with the proclamation that the government should abolish the income tax (they should of course) on grounds that the tax isn't needed to fund the government. It isn't. But...the tax is required as long as the government continues spending with reckless abandonment on whatever it deems necessary (this is the social engineering component); in effect the government must remove productive money out of the economy, via taxation, to offset its expenditures to avoid runaway inflation. In other words, eliminating the income tax would not stimulate the economy; it would jolt it into a politically inexpedient environment of hyperinflation. As central planners, the government has to tax income to manage this.

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    My mom has suggested, only tax goods and services and not income at all. This reflects better one's economy whether in a growth spurt, stable economy or depression. Tax only the things we buy or services rendered, which reflects the potential as well as true production and what people truly want also. Do not tax income at all....FYI It is unwise to argue with my mother she is always right.
    No need to argue. Your mother is a wise woman
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    What is money? This question is as good as they get. Personally, i'd like to do away with money. Sure, If you get a good job with more pay, then youre okay,,, but what if you don't make a lot of money? It is a tragedy, but some say its a gas!! Money was supposed to be a means to an end, but now its all about seeing who can grab that cash with both hands and make a stack... Why, so they can buy a new car,, or some caviar,, a four star daydream. I'd love to end famine,,, naaa i think ill buy me a football team.... hell yeah!!! Money is the new god, brother,,,, you'd better get back. Get your own,,, I'm alright, Jack. But what about you,,, you'd better keep your hands off of MY stack.. I friggin hate money!! But most folks think its a hit. Then they walk away like they are ****in innocent,,, hey brother,,, "DONT GIVE ME THAT DO GOODY GOOD BULL****!". I'm in that van down by the river and they are in a high fidelity, first class traveling set,,, I think it is bull****,,,, do they think i need a lear jet??? Money,, what is it?? ITS A CRIME!!! You can share it fairly,, but DONT take a slice of MY pie!!!! Too much money... Believe it or not (so they say) it is the new law, of ALL evil today. Millions of taxi cabs all over the world,,, but if you ask for a ride, there is really no surprise that they're giving NONE away..... I want to get away... where do i go,,,?? Where is AWAY,,,, AWAY...

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    Love the post Paul and it reminded me of a letter I wrote my state Rep, Sherrie Sprenger a couple years ago so, I included the relevant part. I'm blessed she has empathy and that is why I enjoy her as a wonderful friend.

    Did you here that?.?.?. The rich just got richer Money doesn't have to be the root of all evil but it has an undeniable and stellar track record. If only a persons integrity could be their currency? WOW, think about how many problems that would solve? I'm not going to cast stones because Kyle William Lewis Is helping me be positive but, think about the possibilities? Our armed forces would live like kings and they deserve that.The size of a check for an elected official would depend on their integrity...What's your Utopia? What's your opinion of OUR foreign relations (policy)?

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    The monetary system is the means of subjugating humanity and ensuring that a privileged few at the top can wield power & parasite off us.

    It appears that humans are the only creatures in the universe which are enslaved by this system, as I have yet to see ET or my dog pay for a round.

    If we were not so pre-occupied with making sure we have enough of the damn stuff maybe we could devote more time to developing our own natural or undiscovered talents which we could exchange freely or combine with one another to make sure everybody can live comfortably.

    With free energy and flying family cars the world would be ours to enjoy.

    If you can let your dog live in your house rent free, feed it and take it on holiday with you etc, why can't you do it for a fellow human being ?

    Some people enjoy getting together to produce something, whether it be an orchestra or a car assembly plant.
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    I just bumped into this great article and video.

    Small Pieces of Paper Required For Necessities? Can’t The Human Race Do Better Than This?

    Planet Earth and the human race have continually gone through dramatic, paradigm shifting transformations throughout history. For example, we once thought the earth to be flat, but now we know it to be round. This is one example of many where the curtain has been pulled back and as a result the way we see and perceive the world has completely changed.

    These shifts haven’t happened in what we would consider “rapid time” throughout our lives, but today things are different and multiple paradigm shifting realizations are occurring on multiple levels all at the same time. Millions of people across the globe are waking up to what’s really happening on the planet, and more people are beginning to question it and ask themselves, does it really have to be this way? What’s going on? Why aren’t we living in peace? Why aren’t we living in balance with mother nature? Why does money have to come in the way of basic human necessity?

    What exactly have we created for ourselves here? Do we really need to spend a large chuck of our entire human experience working to acquire little tiny pieces of paper, so that we can exchange that paper for our necessities and wants, with hardly any time to live freely? Not too smart is it? Why can’t these necessities be available to everyone, for nothing? Why do we glorify the idea of “being busy?”

    The system of finance and economics we chose to surround ourselves with always people to justify the need for money. Education in particular has made it very hard for some to see a better way, but the solutions are out there and we are definitely capable of it. You should not have to pay for live, it’s a right given to us when we are birthed into this world.

    Our educational institutions teach us about finance, economics and how the world works without questioning it. We are taught that this is the way it is, and that it is necessary to avoid complete chaos. Do we not already live in a world full of chaos? Is this really the only way? Why do so many of us just accept it?

    Most of the things we acquire aren’t even our wants, they come from a lifetime of programming, they come from a specific picture that’s painted for us, a life to follow, a certain way to be, how to live and what to do with our life. Most (if not all) of our wants are the byproduct of clever marketing.

    Meanwhile, while we are busy taking care of ourselves and trying to survive, our attention is turned away from what’s really happening to our planet. In order to preserve our current way of life, we destroy our planet, strip it of its natural resources, murder animals and their homes, continue to throw toxic chemicals into the atmosphere and watch as billions of people around the world live in complete poverty, and that’s not all. Time is something we’re running out of, and that’s why so many souls across the planet are feeling a deep desire to step away from the way things are today, step outside of it and begin creating something new, a paradigm shift, a desire to show the world that yes, a utopian society is possible, it is achievable and it is necessary if we want to move forward as one human race.

    What we spend on war in a few days could feed the entire planet for one year. We have more than enough means and necessities to provide everybody on the planet with clean water, food and shelter. So ask yourself, why don’t we? Who is thriving off of keeping so many people in such a harsh environment, especially when we have the means to make things better?

    What is money? It’s tiny pieces of paper and digits on a computer that we believe is needed to survive, to live comfortably and more. We give so much power to it without recognizing that the power lies within us. So, again, why is the medium for accessing the world’s “resources” this little piece of paper? Why can’t everyone have free access to human necessities? Food, shelter and water, especially when it is clear that we have the means to do so?

    Our bodies of governance give us the illusion that these problems are being discussed and tackled, that programs are constantly put into place by peace keeping organizations to solve these problems and that they are complicated issues. The truth is, it’s not that complicated, so what’s really going on?

    This is a prison type environment that forces us to depend on others, instead of ourselves. I have a hard time believing how we can continually sustain a system that no longer resonates with anybody, and continues to destroy our planet.

    Our time for change is now, the window of opportunity grows shorter and we must shift the planet. This shifting requires drastic changes on multiple levels that range from energy, health , education and more. It starts with waking up, questioning what you believe and taking in new information and evidence with an open mind. Sometimes, what we fear (change) can prevent us from seeing things in a clearer way.

    Imagine a race that has evolved past the concepts of greed, war, fear, ego, money and competition (we are also heavily marketed and programmed with these concepts) to one that lives in cooperation, understanding, peace , sharing and love. From this place of freedom we could very easily access our unlimited potential, which (as one human race) is huge.

    I know many of you think that this type of large scale change is not possible, I am here to tell you that it really is possible, and we do have the potential to do it. Will we succeed? Our race must evolve past these archaic concepts if it is to join the greater community that awaits us.

    Quote “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world, indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has”
    Margaret Mead
    Right now, we are living in very special times. For those who work directly in the “world change” department, it’s very easy to see. So many things have been happening, and so much light has been shed on concepts that people were afraid to question.

    Quote “We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to a Malthusian-Darwinian theory, we must justify our right to exist.”
    Buckminster Fuller
    Here is a great little video that makes a number of related points for us all to take in and think about:

    "When you've seen beyond yourself, then you may find, peace of mind is waiting there." ~ George Harrison

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    Thats it.

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