Megaliths found in Southern Siberia

[aranuk]

I saw these pics before and read the article above. What I would like to know is why there are no pics which show the stones from farther away so you could see the formation of the walls. I read somewhere that they could be a natural formation. From what pics I have seen I am not convinced they were actually built into a wall. On the other hand the site at Baalbek is certainly amazing and NOT a natural occurance.

Stan

[Sidney]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I saw these pics before and read the article above. What I would like to know is why there are no pics which show the stones from farther away so you could see the formation of the walls. I read somewhere that they could be a natural formation. From what pics I have seen I am not convinced they were actually built into a wall. On the other hand the site at Baalbek is certainly amazing and NOT a natural occurance.

Stan

Hi Stan, try this.
http://media.englishrussia.com/02201...oria002-22.jpg

I plugged Mount shoria megalithic stones into google images, and there are a few good photos there mixed in with other random stuff. linked here

https://www.google.com/search?site=&...94.jCtplP0R4rA

[Billy]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
See this thread: Megaliths found in Southern Siberia

Threads Merged.

Peace

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

my post got annihilated by the merge lol

damn the luck.

i was asking if Pulleys, water floats, or sand ramps could account for the stones' placement.
also asked about the Moai and what you guys think.

i mentioned Blade of the Immortal where one of the Kenshi from Itto Ryu speaks of how his thin body can control a heavy barbarian axe by lightly manipulating the natural course of the weapon -- riding gravity so to speak...

i used to wonder about the pyramids too... did they drop the stones onto wooden wheel sections that were strapped to the blocks and rolled up ramps with help from pulleys?



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[Billy]

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[Atlas]

Some more pics:

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[Hervé]

Thanks Buares!

These sure are big pieces of rock!

However, I am far from convinced they qualify as "megalithic" stones because:

What's the structure?

Megalith
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A megalith is a large stone that has been used to construct a structure or monument, either alone or together with other stones. The word "megalithic" describes structures made of such large stones, utilizing an interlocking system without the use of mortar or cement, as well as representing periods of prehistory characterised by such constructions. For later periods the term monolith, with an overlapping meaning, is more likely to be used.

The word "megalith" comes from the Ancient Greek "μέγας" (megas) meaning "great" and "λίθος" (lithos) meaning "stone." Megalith also denotes an item consisting of rock(s) hewn in definite shapes for special purposes.[1][2][3] It has been used to describe buildings built by people from many parts of the world living in many different periods. A variety of large stones are seen as megaliths, with the most widely known megaliths not being sepulchral.[4] The construction of these structures took place mainly in the Neolithic (though earlier Mesolithic examples are known) and continued into the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age.[5]

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As far as I can see, the only "structures" I can figure out are those which naturally occur with granitic outcrops. I don't see anything like a Machu Pichu wall or a Great wall of China nor a henge, dolmen or menhir... i.e. something sticking out of the landscape.

These rocks ARE the landscape!

[Flash]

wow, really nice, any idea of the age of it, and Siberia, rather cold, when could they have been put up?

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

We had some square glacial (sandstone?) rocks on our farm -- deposited near hilltops.

But -- they were not stacked up like those.
It's suspicious, lol.

The fact that it looks natural makes me more suspicious.
Because that's exactly what pioneers would have done.

Space pioneers.

[Atlas]

Posted by Flash (here)
wow, really nice, any idea of the age of it, and Siberia, rather cold, when could they have been put up?

I'm not a geologist but maybe this document can help:

Late Riphean Plagiogranites of Kuznetskii Alatau: Composition, Age, and Sources (2005/2006)

Recently, it has been established that Late Riphean–Early Vendian(?) and Late Vendian–Early Cambrianophiolitic associations, which extend as belts along the Kuznetskii Alatau deep fault, are the oldest igneous rocks in Kuznetskii Alatau and Gornaya Shoria (Fig. 1).


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"The Riphean is a stage or age of the geologic timescale from 1,400 to 800 million years ago."
Source: wikipedia.org/Riphean_(stage)

[Michel Leclerc]

Lefty Dave, thanks for sharing this with us.

The megaliths are magnificent, and the photographs are excellent.

I concur with your idea about their size.

What strikes me is what appears as a displacement of the megaliths due to geological forces (?), on the 2nd and 4rd photograph. This would raise questions about strength of these forces, age of the megaliths etc., rendering this find as puzzling and revealing as the Puma Punku site.

What do you, and what do other members think?

Michel

[Michel Leclerc]

Dear fellow members, I should have read your earlier reactions first. The newcomer's mistake; sorry!

Also -- a lot more of these photographs. One would like to be there.

Natural formations as well as artificial interlocking prisms, is my impression. Straight lines curved and broken by geological upheaval.

Michel

[Hervé]

Well... if there were such destructive forces as invoked for disjointing the alleged structure...

WTF is this doing standing up:

?

... strongly reminiscent of those:

Posted by buares (here)
Gornaya Shoria is a natural formation.

... otherwise known as "tors":

Tor (rock formation)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


A tor is a large, free-standing residual mass (rock outcrop) that rises abruptly from the surrounding smooth and gentle slopes of a rounded hill summit or ridge crest. In the South West of England, the term is commonly also used for the hills themselves – particularly the high points of Dartmoor in Devon and Bodmin Moor in Cornwall.[1]

Kit-Mikayi, a celebrated tor near Kisumu, Kenya

Anyway...

I was looking for a map location for "Gornaya Shoria (Mount Shoria)" to compare with the geological map in the paper buares posted above... no luck so far

[seeker/reader]

I do have a background in geology. I am no expert but I do have a M.S. in geology, for whatever that is worth. LOL.

Granite is typically emplaced in plutons at great depth and under great pressure. When that over burden rock is removed the rock's over-pressure is removed and expansion occurs resulting in jointing.

[Atlas]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I was looking for a map location for "Gornaya Shoria (Mount Shoria)" to compare with the geological map in the paper buares posted above... no luck so far

The two towns in the geological map: Kemerovo and Novokuznetsk are seen below in relation to Gornaya Shoria:



Gornaya Shoria coordinates: 52°50'18.0"N 87°56'14.0"E

Google Earth shows this:

[Hervé]

Thanks a zillion buares!

The coordinates point to a tree-covered high ridge/mountain that's outside of the geological map to the south.

Google earth shows a lot of open pit mining in that area.

My guess is that the whole story is from a "bushed" prospector's tall-tale

[aranuk]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Thanks Buares!

These sure are big pieces of rock!

However, I am far from convinced they qualify as "megalithic" stones because:

What's the structure?

Megalith
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A megalith is a large stone that has been used to construct a structure or monument, either alone or together with other stones. The word "megalithic" describes structures made of such large stones, utilizing an interlocking system without the use of mortar or cement, as well as representing periods of prehistory characterised by such constructions. For later periods the term monolith, with an overlapping meaning, is more likely to be used.

The word "megalith" comes from the Ancient Greek "μέγας" (megas) meaning "great" and "λίθος" (lithos) meaning "stone." Megalith also denotes an item consisting of rock(s) hewn in definite shapes for special purposes.[1][2][3] It has been used to describe buildings built by people from many parts of the world living in many different periods. A variety of large stones are seen as megaliths, with the most widely known megaliths not being sepulchral.[4] The construction of these structures took place mainly in the Neolithic (though earlier Mesolithic examples are known) and continued into the Chalcolithic and Bronze Age.[5]

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As far as I can see, the only "structures" I can figure out are those which naturally occur with granitic outcrops. I don't see anything like a Machu Pichu wall or a Great wall of China nor a henge, dolmen or menhir... i.e. something sticking out of the landscape.

These rocks ARE the landscape!

You took the words out my mouth Amzer! They look to me like they are natural. Some of the pictures are from other countries Machu Pichu and Baalbek in Lebanon. Those are definitely not natural. Any good geologist will tell you there are some strange looking rocks around the world. I am still not convinced they are man made or made by extra terrestrial beings. As Amzer pointed out, to qualify as megaliths there has to be certain recognition of basic details which could not be accidents of nature. I am a retired builder, but not an archeologist or a geologist for that matter, so I would have to see more pictures. From what I've seen there is no bonding of courses and even smooth surfaces seem to be absent. In nature, some stones split down a grain with almost perfect symmetry. I will not rule out the possibility they are genuine man made artifacts but I need convincing.
They sure are interesting. There was one photo which looked interesting. It was the one where a man was standing in a corridor or passageway. I don't know if that was taken at the same area.

Stan

[Billy]

I think they are natural formations, Nature has a wonderful way of expressing herself. Ancient volcanic activity then cooling can cause cracking and amazing geometric formations. formations from Ireland.










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