Boeing MH370 disappears in flight with 239 passengers

[avid]

Aragorn - That series was weird - but hopefully not relevant to some ghastly false flag and missing folk today!

[araucaria]

Posted by buares (here)

On April 7, Utusan had said that it was time "to think outside the box" over the incident, saying it could be a ploy to tarnish the good relations between Malaysia and China. "If the CIA could arrange for the attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001, it is not improbable to link MH370 with the intelligence agency," wrote Utusan's assistant editor Ku Seman Ku Hussein.

Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein compared the paper's claim to speculative reports in the Western media, saying it was their freedom to do so. "At the end of the day, if their report is false, they will lose credibility,” he said.

Hishammuddin, however, pointed to the US's strong participation in the Defence Services Asia exhibition, which opens tomorrow. “If there is (CIA involvement), I don’t think we would see such a strong presence of the US here,” he added. Hishammuddin's denial today was the second in two days related to flight MH370.

"If the CIA could arrange for the attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001

Wow, he said that?

“If there is (CIA involvement), I don’t think we would see such a strong presence of the US here,”

We might if the CIA = US gov't.

[panopticon]

Latest media conference by Houston just ended on search for MH370.

In short, as there's been no more signals received in almost a week the search is changing to using the autonomous underwater vehicle. It will start mapping the sea floor in the region and see if there's anything there.

Once again Houston repeatedly said that without the discovery of wreckage there can be no confirmation.

Preliminary article from ABC Oz below.

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Malaysia Airlines MH370: Autonomous underwater vehicle to be deployed as use of pinger locator winds up

Searchers on the hunt for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 will deploy underwater vehicles to search for the missing plane without any new signals from plane's black box.

Retired Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston, charged with leading the recovery effort, says an oil slick has also been spotted in the vicinity of the search area, however it is unclear whether it is from the plane.

He says autonomous underwater vehicles will be deployed in the place of the towed pinger locator - used to detect black box signals - to visually locate any wreckage in the Indian Ocean.

The Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) has said there were no acoustic signals detected over the weekend with fears batteries in the plane's flight recorders - or black box - may be fading.

The last of the four signals detected by Australian ship Ocean Shield were received last Tuesday night.

"Despite the lack of further detections, the four signals previously acquired taken together constitute the most promising lead we have in the search for MH370," he said.

"We need to pursue this lead as far as possible.

"Analysis of the four signals has allowed the provisional definition of a reduced and manageable search area on the ocean floor.

"The experts have therefore determined that the Australian defence vessel Ocean Shield will cease searching with the towed pinger locator later today and deploy the autonomous underwater vehicle, Bluefin-21, as soon as possible."

The aircraft vanished off radars on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people on board, including six Australians.

More to come.

Source

[panopticon]

Today's press conference given by Houston:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=it9UPN4aS_w

Houston ended the press conference questions with this:

So at the moment, this is really all we've got. We have got no visual objects. We have—the only thing we have left at this stage is the four transmissions and an oil slick in the same vicinity. So we will investigate those to their conclusion and that's where we are.
Source

-- Pan

[Harley]

Just now from CNN:

CNN Breaking News BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com
9:59 AM (20 minutes ago)

A U.S. official with firsthand knowledge of the investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 told CNN's Pamela Brown today that a cell phone tower in Penang, Malaysia -- about 250 miles from where the flight disappeared -- detected the co-pilot's phone searching for service around the time the plane vanished.

The revelation follows reporting over the weekend in a Malaysian newspaper that co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid had tried to make a telephone call while the plane was in flight. However, the U.S. official -- who cited information shared by Malaysian investigators -- said there was no evidence the co-pilot had tried to make a call.

The details do appear to reaffirm suggestions based on radar and satellite data that the plane turned around and was likely flying low enough to obtain a signal from a cell tower, the official said.

For your info:

The max distance a typical cellphone can ping a tower under perfect line-of-sight conditions is approximately 45 miles and the max distance a typical cellphone can work reliably (again under perfect line-of-sight conditions) is approx 20 miles.

Also, it didn't go to Diego Garcia. Although all of the info about this base that you've been able to dig up from the internet and other sources is quite interesting, that's just my point. Do you really believe it would be all that easy? Think about it.

Also, a plane on autopilot cannot change course unless commanded to do so. So why would someone command this plane to fly around Indonesian airspace and then head South just to crash in the South Indian Ocean, and to do so without any sort of contact? Think about it.

Remember, the search area was completely diverted to the opposite direction when the US/UK were asked for help. Maybe you might want to think about going back to the point where last contact was initially reported lost.

The plane is not in the South Indian Ocean, but as I said many moons ago (in this thread) that's where it'll be found.

[Atlas]

It seems like the plane disappeared twice, once at the northernmost point of Malaysia (at the crossroads between Thailand and Vietnam) and a second time at the westernmost point of Malaysia (at the crossroads between Thailand and Indonesia).

Posted by Philip Steinberg, a professor at Durham University
Given that the last known location for the aircraft was just on the Malaysian side of the Malaysia-Vietnam maritime boundary (but with the aircraft headed toward Vietnam), both of these countries likely are aware that at some point in the future their actions in dealing with this crisis could be used as evidence in supporting a future maritime boundary claim.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...rch-for-mh370/

[avid]

WOW! One plane disappearing twice in differing locations, yet there is the Diego Garcia problem, the Operation Cobra incident, and an oil worker and a sea captain seeing flaming evidence, picking up debris (but was hushed up quickly) near Vietnam. I reckon that it was 'swapped', the Diego Garcia faction is a goer, and any 'evidence' in the south seas is faked. I'm going to concentrate on my family, do gardening, look after my needy cats, and in desperation watch TV. These last few years for me have been totally horrific - but being in here to 'escape' is worse now. Death and illness - I'm going back to face it. :-O

[Atlas]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before:

Warning of ‘possible terrorist attack on China’ received by Taiwan days before Malaysia Airlines jet vanished

10 March, 2014: Taiwan's spy chief (National Security Bureau chief Tsai De-sheng) revealed yesterday that the island's security officials had last week received a warning about possible terrorist attacks on the mainland.

Security chiefs were believed to have received the alert from Taiwan-based China Airlines, following a phone call to the airline earlier in the day from a man who said he wanted to warn of possible terrorist activity. Claiming to work for an anti-terrorism organisation in France, the caller spoke in French at first but switched to Putonghua with a Cantonese accent when the airline's switchboard operator could not understand him.

China Airlines yesterday confirmed that a call was received on March 4. It said the information it received was passed to Taiwan's civil aviation authority and aviation police. In a statement, the airline said: "China Airlines on March 4 received a call claiming to provide intelligence on terrorist organisations and which referred to mainland China, saying Beijing airport would see terrorist attacks."

There is no indication the warning was connected to the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, which vanished from radar screens in the early hours of Saturday.

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From tragedy to diplomatic mess: MH370 and the South China Sea

19 March 2014: The MH370 incident will impact on territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

Claimants in the South China Sea's territorial disputes, such as China, Vietnam, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Indonesia, have participated in the search. But adding to public frustration and to a perception of poor cooperation and information-sharing in the region, Thailand yesterday announced that its military radars may have picked up MH370 last week, information that was not passed on to Malaysia.

The implications will not be lost on China. If, as many analysts believe, China this year tries to extend an Air Defence Identification Zone further into the South China Sea, there will be a renewed pressure in the region to improve air and maritime awareness and information-sharing.

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31 March 2014: MH370: A fresh lesson about relationship with China


(ASEAN EEZ Vs China’s claims over South China Sea)

[Elainie]

This came up on my Facebook feed- anyone seen this one yet?

http://www.canalina.com/malaysian-pl...ssengers-alive


Malaysian Plane “Found” near Kandahar And all Passengers alive


The Russian media outlet MK.ru is reporting today that Malaysia Airlines flight MH-370 made a hard landing on a rural road southeast of Kandahar, Afghanistan, near the Pakistan Border. According to the report, the passengers and crew are alive.

While the Google translation from the original Russian language is not precise, the MK story says that the Pilots of Flight MH370 did not steal the plane; it was hijacked by unknown persons. This information came from a confidential source inside the Russian security services.

Flight MH370 went missing on March 8 with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board.

The MK story claims that the passengers and crew have been “captured” and that the airplane is on a rural road, southeast of Kandahar, Afghanistan, with a broken wing from a hard landing. The plane is said to be located very near the border of Pakistan. The story even contains a map as follows:

The story goes on to report that all the passengers are alive; that they’ve been divided into seven groups living hand-to-mouth in mud huts nearby.

The story also says that “20 Asian Professionals were captured” and bluntly accuses that the hijacking was done “presumably by the Americans” on “someone’s order.”

Member of the Flight Safety Foundation Sergey Melnichenko, pointed out that on “March 21 Thailand, India and Pakistan said that the aircraft was not tracked by air defenses; not that it did not fly over their countries, just that it was not tracked.

This past Sunday, the head of the Intelligence Committee of the U.S. Senate Diane Feinstein, responding to a question from CNN on the probability of a terrorist component in the case of the missing plane, said “At the moment nothing has been found”.

The story goes on to point out that there are two areas in Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban, with two air corridors where MH370 could fly after disappearing from radar. Rather than admit this, Malaysian authorities are merely relying on the Afghan and Pakistan governments saying military radar never tracked the plane.

The story goes on to say that trust may be misplaced since the border area between Pakistan and Afghanistan is semi-abandoned.

Source

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's the Russian source of the above story:

http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/20...pakistane.html

* English summary on the above site *

This information was not published in the world media: "Flight MH 370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8th with 239 passengers was hijacked. Pilots are not guilty, the plane was hijacked by unknown. By the way we know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is “Hitch”. The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan. Plane is on the road near the mountain range, it has a broken wing. Maybe it made a hard landing. All passengers survived, they live in shacks almost without food. Twenty Asian specialists were captured. There is one Japanese among them. All experts were brought into the bunker in Pakistan. Perhaps the terrorists intend to bargain with the Americans. This information has been provided by an anonymous source in the intelligence agencies to the correspondent of the Russian newspaper "Moskovsky Komsomolets".

Разведка: Малайзийский Боинг угнал человек по кличке «Хич», захваченные специалисты - в Пакистане


Об этом сообщил «МК» анонимный источник в спецслужбах и этой же версии придерживаются разведки нескольких стран

«Имя лица, вынудившего двух пилотов Боинга совершить угон самолета компании Malaysia Airlines (рейс MH-370), на борту которого находилось в общей сложности 239 человек – «Хич» (кличка). Пока ничего не известно о его сообщниках. 20 летевших в Боинге-777 особых азиатских специалистов еще в марте были перевезены в один из пакистанских бункеров. Среди специалистов-заложников есть один японец.

В настоящее время все пассажиры самолеты, к счастью, живы и находятся в горном районе к юго-востоку от афганского города Кандагар»,- об этом собкору газеты «Московский Комсомолец» на условиях анонимности рассказал авторитетный источник в спецслужбах, и добавил, что точно такой же версии придерживаются разведки нескольких стран. Данная информация ни в одном из мировых СМИ ранее не публиковалась.

Чуть ранее путем эксклюзивного информирования «МК» стало известно, что "пропавший 8 марта авиалайнер компаний Malaysia Airlines и China Southern Airlines с 227 пассажирами на борту и 12-ю членами экипажа был захвачен и находится к юго-востоку от Кандагара, на территории
Афганистана у границы с Пакистаном. Пилоты рейса MH370 в угоне не виновны - самолет захвачен неизвестными лицами.

Авиалайнер стоит на небольшой дороге с отломанным крылом - т.е. лайнер, предположительно, совершил очень жесткую посадку. Все пассажиры живы, разбиты на семь групп и живут в «мазанках» впроголодь. Все люди в тяжелом состоянии. Из самолета были захвачены около 20 азиатских специалистов, пленение которых было нужно, предположительно, для торга с американской или китайской стороной. То есть данный угон, предположительно, чей-то заказ или же шантаж".

Можно ли доверять этой информации про Боинг? Время покажет...

Эксперт по расследованию авиационных происшествий Евгений Кузьминов (Центр научно-технических исследований и экспертиз) заверил собкора «МК», что Боинг-777-200ER «вполне мог приземлиться на обычной грунтовой дороге более менее плотной поверхности длиной порядка 2000 метров. Правда, для этого должны быть свободные подходы к посадочной полосе - то есть не должно быть деревьев и гор, отметил Кузьминов. Должны быть соответствующие возможности, чтобы можно было маневрировать. При жестком приземлении на "плохую" поверхность, конечно, может подломиться шасси или даже поломаться крыло (вес малайзийского Боинга-777-200ER с пассажирами, экипажем и грузом составляет порядка 200 тонн).

Опытнейший российский авиатор Евгений Кузьминов вспомнил приблизительно похожую посадку авиалайнера, имевшую место в 1968 году, в результате, которой все пассажиры остались живы, а самолет цел.

Любопытно, что с данными, полученными «МК», не вяжется официальная информация от малайзийских властей. По словам члена Всемирного фонда безопасности полетов Сергея Мельниченко, «21 марта Тайланд, Индия и Пакистан заявляли, что данное воздушное судно через из их органы ПВО не отслеживалось. Не то, что не отслеживалось — его просто не было».

Смотрите материал Сергея Мельниченко: «Судьба малайзийского Боинга: факты, домыслы, версии».

СЕВЕРНЫЙ КОРИДОР (с сайта mh370.dca.gov.my):





К месту, еще в марте несколько британских изданий, таких как Mirror, Independent и другие публиковали сообщение о том, что Боинг-777-200ER после исчезновения с радаров мог улететь в Афганистан или Пакистан, на территории, подконтрольные «Талибану». Однако версия британцев осталась незамеченной за неимением конкретики.

Последней, имеющей хоть какую-то ценность информацией о пропавшем Боинге из Куала-Лумпура, является сообщение о том, что на днях судно австралийских ВМС Ocean Shield зафиксировало новые сигналы, предположительно, черных ящиков пропавшего месяц назад самолета авиакомпании Malaysia Airlines. Об этом на специальной пресс-конференции заявил

глава австралийского Межведомственного координационного центра Ангус Хьюстон.

По его словам, сигналы были зафиксированы, когда судно находилось на севере поискового района. Всего было два сигнала, один продолжался два часа, второй — 13 минут. При этом Хьюстон добавил, что, тем не менее, нет никаких доказательств того, что это сигналы именно черных ящиков с пропавшего Boeing-777-200ER. К слову, работающие на батареях передатчики "черного ящика" перестают посылать сигнал через 30 дней после катастрофы, но иногда продолжают работать и еще несколько дней после этого срока.

Самолёт Boeing-777, выполнявший рейс из Куала-Лумпура в Пекин, внезапно пропал 8 марта 2014 года. На борту самолёта находились 227 пассажиров и 12 членов экипажа. По неизвестной причине воздушное судно ушло с первоначального курса: последний сигнал с него был получен из Индийского океана.

Поисковая операция с участием нескольких стран продолжается до сих пор. До сих пор не ясно, почему лайнер отклонился от курса и потерял связь с авиадиспетчерами. Последними словами пилотов было: "Спокойной ночи. Малайзийский три-семь-ноль". 24 марта малайзийские власти объявили лайнер разбившимся, а их родственникам руководство авиакомпании Malaysia Airlines сообщило, что никто из находившихся на борту самолета не выжил.

ПОЛНЫЙ СПИСОК ВСЕХ, КТО ЛЕТЕЛ НА ЭТОМ БОИНГЕ-777

Между тем, многие члены семей пассажиров "Боинга" обвиняют власти Малайзии в некомпетентном ведении расследования. Родственники пассажиров требуют доказательств того, что самолет действительно потерпел катастрофу и разбился. Многие из них разгневаны недостатком информации, поступающей от малазийских властей.

ФОТО ПРОПАВШЕГО БОИНГА СНАРУЖИ и В КАБИНЕ (размах крыла: 60,90 м, длина лайнера: 63,70 м).

К сведению, предыдущий случай бесследного исчезновения гражданского самолета имел место 30 января 1979 года во время выполнения грузового рейса Boeing 707-323C компании Varig. Через полчаса после вылета из Токио самолет исчез над Тихим океаном. Несмотря на обширные поиски, не удалось найти никаких следов самолёта либо признаков его падения. Данный инцидент до сих пор считался единственным фактом бесследного исчезновения реактивного авиалайнера и одним из самых загадочных случаев в истории мировой авиации.

[panopticon]

There are 2 other articles on MH370 by the same author.

March 31st:
Special Services: Malaysian Boeing located near Kandahar, the passengers and crew captured
April 11th:
Malaysian "Boeing" still hijacked?

-- Pan

[wnlight]

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html, and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by wnlight (here)

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html, and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

A note of endorsement may be in order.

I met Warren this afternoon (you'll see from his country flag that he's also in Ecuador). He can tell you a little more about himself if he wishes (not my place to do this!) -- but suffice to say he's a very bright guy with a lot of experience in many different areas of research. He uses dowsing, but very intelligently, as a means of remote viewing information. He's not a kook. The conversation I had with him was most interesting, and I look forward to meeting him again.

I'm not endorsing his data -- I'm not qualified to do so -- but it's interesting enough to share with the intelligent and very open-minded folks here, and I encouraged him to post it here.

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by wnlight (here)

The missing plane is in Pakistan, sitting out on the tarmac at the Pasni airport (covered up). Nearly all of the passengers and crew are alive - so far. I have been saying this since mid March, but not on this forum. The details are in my website www.neun.com/hijack.html, and I will post them here after I organise the information which is currently in a blog style. Thanks, Bill for encouraging me to post this.

A note of endorsement may be in order.

I met Warren this afternoon (you'll see from his country flag that he's also in Ecuador). He can tell you a little more about himself if he wishes (not my place to do this!) -- but suffice to say he's a very bright guy with a lot of experience in many different areas of research. He uses dowsing, but very intelligently, as a means of remote viewing information. He's not a kook. The conversation I had with him was most interesting, and I look forward to meeting him again.

I'm not endorsing his data -- I'm not qualified to do so -- but it's interesting enough to share with the intelligent and very open-minded folks here, and I encouraged him to post it here.

It is certainly very interesting data, thank you. I wonder if someone practised in kinesiology would not be able to get answers to the same questions.

[Limor Wolf]

As a side observer, there seems to be a mishmash of sources and items and interpretations and commenntaries where it all leads for the 'Alternative community' to do a good job for the others for what to follow later (with a great possibility) . Just a hunch. Throwing a bone to the dog and you know what will happen to it. Puttings our eyes on the ball or letting the ball drop?.. now that's the real question. Blessings ~

[Harley]

Posted by ERK (here)
EXCERPT: The Russian media outlet MK.ru is reporting today that Malaysia Airlines flight MH-370 made a hard landing on a rural road southeast of Kandahar, Afghanistan, near the Pakistan Border.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
EXCERPT: Here's the Russian source of the above story:

http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/20...pakistane.html[INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] * English summary on the above site *

This information was not published in the world media: "Flight MH 370 Malaysia Airlines missing on March 8th with 239 passengers was hijacked. Pilots are not guilty, the plane was hijacked by unknown. By the way we know that the name of the terrorist who gave instructions to pilots is “Hitch”. The plane is in Afghanistan not far from Kandahar near the border with Pakistan. Plane is on the road near the mountain range, it has a broken wing. Maybe it made a hard landing.

The above report corroborates the info I posted on 15 March and on 18 March, which basically stated the plane was flown to Thailand and then it was flown to Afghanistan.

The reason for Thailand was to get it on the ground and hidden from view before daybreak and before Malaysia reported it missing.

To get it to Afghanistan undetected they changed the transponder codes to those of a military transport, launched from Thailand after nightfall so-as not to be seen, and flew an approved route to their destination.

Although I only receive fragments of info, and I have not heard what happened to the plane or passengers (stuff happens), I am still quite confident that the info given me above was the plan.

And see . . . It's a whole lot easier to make a triple-7 disappear than the so-called "experts" would have you believe.

[araucaria]

Pakistan via Diego Garcia; Afghanistan via Thailand. Is this another line of inquiry that is going to flake off, I wonder.

[Gardener]

Good to see this thread moving north again! And hi to new member Warren

[ozlemer]

I read this last week in our national papers.... very strange...

[Atlas]

Posted by s-eremin:

"I am Russian and I can say that this newspaper, which exists both in printed and electronic forms, is not considered one of the major newspapers in our country. Moreover, in my personal opinion, this one could simply make up the whole story just to have higher ratings and sales. Having come across this reddit post, I have read the article in question in the original, and it has not convinced me at all. It lacks quotations of any reliable sources and precise information. Looks like speculation and another conspiracy theory. By the way, this newspaper had a similar article several days ago, which was referenced and partially translated at beforeitsnews.com."