Medical Cannabis / Marijuana

[LivioRazlo]

Posted by Demeisen (here)
were more likely to cause paranoia etc.

The cannabis sativa strain will induce paranoia and elevate anxiety issues. The cannabis indica strain is more often associated with that mellow, chilled out feeling.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by LivioRazlo (here)

Posted by Demeisen (here)
were more likely to cause paranoia etc.

The cannabis sativa strain will induce paranoia and elevate anxiety issues. The cannabis indica strain is more often associated with that mellow, chilled out feeling.

while that is true, walking down the street under the influence of indica might be annoying because of lessened awareness.
sativa might make a newbie feel "jumpy" but that wears off. and it's good to look both ways before crossing the street lol

[Agape]

Posted by onawah (here)
I have been looking forward to medical marijuana being legalized in my state, it's on the ballot now for the second time.
What I want to try is the non-psychoactive derivatives that are useful for chronic pain, as I have fibromyalgia, arthritis and TMJ.
I have been taking a prescription opioid when the pain becomes unbearable, but I do that as little as possible because of the terrible side effects.
I know that many strains of marijuana have been hybridized to make them so powerful you can get stoned on just one hit.
But whether any have been hybridized to make them more powerful for healing and relieving pain, or if any of the old strains are still available, I don't know.
Anything that is psychoactive can be dangerous, depending on the user and how it is used.
I think such substances should be regarded as sacred and used with care.
The message I've posted here:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...406#post823406
...gave me pause because it didn't differentiate between "medical marijuana" and recreational marijuana, so I wrote to the facilitators of the website to ask for clarification.
For what it's worth, some of the info on that site is channeled, some is just from sensitives and psychics, just to let you know.
But the point of the article is that the hybridizing of certain strains of marijuana have made them so extremely psychoactive that there are potential dangers worse than we may understand, and I can see how that may be the case (regardless of whether the info is channeled or not).
I remember the daze of pot smoking from my younger years, and it's not something I care to do again; however fun it may have been at the time, there were also negative consequences.
It certainly did help to awaken me, but I don't feel I need to go there again.
Meditation works very well, and doesn't create dependency, and I've seen plenty of people with pot dependency issues.

It's good , generally, not bad . But it isn't exactly painkiller , contrary to what these western researchers claim ,
it can be powerful anxiolytic and anti-depressant , muscle relaxant , spasmolytic , nerve tonic . It isn't pain killer but it helps to tolerate generalised pains in long term , improves digestion etc .

I have no experience with cannabis derivatives though and know the effects are radically different when you ingest or smoke the plant . I'm no fan of eating this , it's known to send people to dazed state for days instead of hours and once in your metabolism you can't control the substance . You have to wait till the effects wane off .

The original meaning to it is being 'sacred plant' , smoked as 'peace pipe' in circle of initiated people , in peaceful atmosphere ..as spiritual experience .

India has some old 'cannabis culture' , and to be honest .. I've never seen anyone going bonkers there after smoking marihuana, unless ..and before alcohol and other psychoactive substances were introduced there and taken simultaneously .
Alcohol was not commonly abused , almost unknown ( and very expensive ) except for some local made brews till some 20 years ago , maybe less .. now that alcohol is available it ruined the society .

India is different though ... and as I've said, in the old culture , smoking this was mostly contained to certain ashrams ( not all of them as many are strictly against any substance abuse ) and a ceremonial, or say spiritual experience .
There was no 'techno music' in backgrounds and people were always supportive to each others presence .

When the hippies came they started their own culture but even those are now rare .

I don't understand the way people use this in the west nowadays, young people especially, they just don't know what are they doing.
I'd not recommend this to any 'newbie' of any age without precautions and supportive circle of people who care about how you feel about it.

If it's turned to another chemical substance, there is not anything too special about it anymore , just another pill to take . It's better to take nothing in such case.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

It can be tempting to "overuse" or to use it to avoid trouble.

But Israel and other countries show some promising results w. cannabis and PTSD symptoms.
Agape your post is quite good.

I think pot + modern culture is really scary.

Back in ancient Greece, the oracles were kept isolated and fairly safe/contained.
They weren't just wandering the streets.
They were managed and cared for.

Admittedly the plant does not receive the respect it once did.

(to those who say not to mix with alcohol etc. you're right. Coffee isn't a great idea either in large amounts)

[jagman]

I heard about this study on the Kelly File last night and I think it's important to
remember that this study was done on young people who's brains are still developing.

[vilcabamba]

I would be careful of any drugs purchased on the street OR through the medical system. I was told by a former military scientist that drugs are laced with nanotechnology to track people and is part of the transhumanist agenda. Marijuana is only safe if someone knows where it was grown unadulterated. People that use it for medicinal purposes should NOT buy from medical marijuana facilities..it will be sprayed with nanotechnology. My scientist friend has many patients who are sick with morgellons disease b/c "they" are putting nanotechnology in legal prescription drugs AND illegal prescription drugs..in addition to putting it in bubble baths, food, air etc. BUT, when you get the nano from the drugs, you get a much higher exposure i believe then from the chemtrails. B/c people seem to get sicker from trying things like cocaine or taking LEGAL antidepressents, ADHD meds. I believe the whole hoax on getting kids to take ADHD meds is to get the nanotechnology into their bodies so they can be controlled via a super computer system and satalite systems.
If you would like to detox this...i was told vitamin C IVs, freeze dried stabilized oxygen pills like Opaline solutions and essential oils, colon cleanses etc will help. We all have the nanotechnology ..it's just detoxing to make sure it passes out all the time to avoid a massive buildup. real far infrared saunas made of jade and not ceramic are good too!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Google endo cannabinoid system, its part of our neurological and physiological make up and we have the receptors to make it work for us, and that has been the case for hundreds of millions of years. Go see, read listen for yourself, and I doubt smoking it is the way to get it into your system the proper way, vaping being the only exception to that. A funny suppository would be the ultimate way to administer it, you bypass the digestive tract and it gets absorbed very well that way, nothing gets lost by using that method, oil can be used topically as well, so next time you scratch your @ss, put some oil under your fingernails, double whammy, no more itch and medicine administered , putting a bit under your tongue is fine too btw, take your pick.

[Sunny-side-up]

"Amotivational Syndrome" Well for me I experienced the exact opposite. massive jump in multi tasking and creativity but was hyper with it, nice and calm, what suffered though was the choice of tasks IE I dropped out of the mainstream clutter and focused on the real and important stuff

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Heartsong (here)
The original post sites a Fox news article. The article states that there were 40 (only forty) participants in the study. That's not enough for good science.

Forty participants, no actual provable results .. complete garbage info -- that's not even a study FFS.

Why don't they study Canadians? We smoke a lot of pot up here -- professionals, farmers and stoners alike. Always have ... Does Canada have the highest rate of psychosis and schizophrenia? We are known as one of the "most friendly" peoples

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/ca...ge-un-1.659074

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Sunny-side-up (here)
"Amotivational Syndrome" Well for me I experienced the exact opposite. massive jump in multi tasking and creativity but was hyper with it, nice and calm, what suffered though was the choice of tasks IE I dropped out of the mainstream clutter and focused on the real and important stuff

I met a guy like that ... drove me crazy, lol. I just wanted to relax and enjoy the scenery and he was bouncing off the walls, "Let's go mountain biking! Lets go rock climbing! Lets build something!" -- lol.

[Roisin]

Posted by jagman (here)
I heard about this study on the Kelly File last night and I think it's important to
remember that this study was done on young people who's brains are still developing.

I think that's important too and one of the things this small study is suggesting is that "Amotivational Syndrome" is a significant side-effect of those who are even only "casual" users in that demographic. If that's true then that's not good but one of my questions is... "Is that irreversible?". If a teenager or young adult quits smoking pot after smoking it for years, will their motivation and goal-setting abilities ... including their ability to retain information revert back to before they started smoking pot? Or instead are we talking about permanent irreversible brain damage? Definitely, more research needs to be done on this so that the consumer can make informed decisions to smoke it or not... especially for those in that age group.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Roisin (here)

Posted by jagman (here)
I heard about this study on the Kelly File last night and I think it's important to
remember that this study was done on young people who's brains are still developing.

I think that's important too and one of the things this small study is suggesting is that "Amotivational Syndrome" is a significant side-effect of those who are even only "casual" users in that demographic. If that's true then that's not good but one of my questions is... "Is that irreversible?". If a teenager or young adult quits smoking pot after smoking it for years, will their motivation and goal-setting abilities ... including their ability to retain information revert back to before they started smoking pot? Or instead are we talking about permanent irreversible brain damage? Definitely, more research needs to be done on this so that the consumer can make informed decisions to smoke it or not... especially for those in that age group.

I'd certainly discourage any children from using mind altering substances (accept were deemed useful as medicine), their minds are still operating with a broad range of considerations and imaginations and full of possibilities. The people who could most benefit from an altered state of consciousness are the old kooks stuck in their ways.

I wonder how fluoride or chlorine from water might affect a developing child's brain?

The main thing that bothers me is this study has 40 participants - looks specific enough to have wanted the result and thus set the experiment up as such, when you could use the thousands and thousands of people who admittedly smoked pot when they were younger and used statistical significance. I would trust this type of analysis much greater.

[Roisin]

It IS extremely annoying when they come out with information like this when it's only based on a small study of 40. Thanks Dedukshyn for commenting on that because at the end of the day, the size of that study regardless of its results does not warrant the attention that it's received so far for that reason alone.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

just keep in mind:

~the Dutch think crazy people smoke weed and not vice versa, i.e. it's not the causative agent in mental illness
~it affects blood sugar and blood volume, so bad tempered people might seem worse when it's not the psychoactive stuff necessarily
~it KILLS CANCER with none of the side effects of chemotherapy, and it helps with cancer in ALL STAGES, i.e. does have a chance no matter what.
~it causes less brain damage than most commonly prescribed mental health medications because those medications destroy the blood vessels and affect insulin tolerance
~it helps people with diarrhea have less diarrhea and people with constipation poop faster... don't know why but it does... presumably by improving gut circulation
~it is thought to have mild germicidal properties
~it is thought to have mild contraceptive properties
~it is believed to help regulate pregnancy, shorten the third trimester, foster circulatory health
~it improves the appetite in patients where no other treatment helped whatsoever
~commonly prescribed to veterans as a blanket-treatment
~very effective pain management due to mechanisms poorly understood by modern medicine
~anti-depressant (when people don't make you feel like **** for smoking it)
~exercise assistant (if you're anxious or self-conscious)
~helps some people with sexual anxiety, may improve arousal due to circulatory benefit
~helps ASD people experience life with the full spectrum of neurotransmitters available to normal people
~helps soldiers overcome PTSD
~helps brainwashing victims and agents overcome programming
~helps kids discard unwanted religious teachings

etc.


p.s. why do modern people need a fully functioning memory anyway?
So we can keep track of what our capitalist masters want us to value and purchase?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
just keep in mind:

~the Dutch think crazy people smoke weed and not vice versa, i.e. it's not the causative agent in mental illness
....

etc.

I just want to comment on the "demotivational" effects of Cannabis. I am not a very motivated person, and I still smoke pot occasionally and used to a fair bit from the age of about 22.

I want so hard to blame pot on my lack of motivation, but when I think back, I was ALWAYS this way. My parents used to accuse me of being a pot smoker in high school because of my lack of motivation for school and frankly anything -- didn't get my license until I was 18, had a brilliant mind, yet skipped class and didn't do my homework - relied on tests to get me my c+ average.

I wish I COULD blame my lack of motivation on something, but it has been with me since my late blooming ego started giving the orders (around 6 or 7). All through high school I was clean and never touched drugs and rarely drank, yet there I was, already with motivational issues. If is a study were done on me it would conclude it was from the pot. Sigh.

Might it be that non-motivated people are more inclined to try and use mind altering substances?


PS Memory is humanities greatest gift, and the thing that causes us the most strife, maintaining the "fall" each day, because we remember our emotional programs from yesterday ...

[Rocky_Shorz]

a picture says a thousand words...

[joeecho]

Nanny State, Nanny State.

Nyah, nyah, nyah-nyah, nyah!

[sigma6]

Posted by grannyfranny100 (here)
This research was funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, Counterdrug Technology Assessment Center, and the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

All institutions rely on never finding a cure in order to keep their jobs... no arguing this...

In this study, I wonder if it gives exact amounts, type, quality, method of inhalation, what is the measure of an "abnormality", how were the memory tests conducted? etc... I'll bet that would be an interesting report.

Too bad they weren't concerned about all the crap they are spewing into the atmosphere, acid rain, lead, aluminum, cadmium, and hundreds of other super toxic poisonous heavy metals... But those are produced by corporations that fund millions in special interest tax donation... So lets worry about people who smoke cannabis?

Sure I think many people smoke more then is required, but that is because there is no education. All this "new science" coming out, is very suspicious...

Cannabis is a drug, it should be treated like all drugs, you could do a study on caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, aspirin, sugar, even garlic, all of these chemicals cause "abnormalities" in your brain...

there have been studies done that also show that cannabis increases frontal lobe activity and increases synaptic connections in that part of the brain as well... (then again, thinking will do that too!!!)

The brain is in a constant state of creation and destruction... on a synaptic and biochemical level... so what... !

anyhow cannabis should be taken with an understanding based on education, clear awareness, intention, and possible side effects. both immediate, (such as feelings of calm, peace, creativity, artistic insight...) and any long term...

Rasta smoke a pound a day. I think the whole purpose of such an extreme habit I think was to show by irrefutable proof and example, that reports like these are patently "compromised"... a pound a day is insane, and yet it has been done as long as there have been rasta in Jamaica. Give me any "drug" that you could smoke a pound a day of, and get past one month?

You'd be surprised, one average inhale could supply all that you need for several hours, depending on what you are trying to accomplish...

how can that even compare to kidney and liver destroying pharmaceutical poisons, that are specifically designed to prevent the liver and kidney from eliminating them?... (gee doesn't that sound like heavy metals and other toxic chemicals...) But that is the goal of all pharmaceutical chemicals is to resist the kidney and livers ability to eliminate them. ...

Any institution collecting millions of dollars, CAN'T be trusted. The "institutional" model is not designed to solve any problem. Like the corporation, it was designed to concentrate power at the top. In order to make it "controllable" by parties that could in turn control those at the top (BIG MONEY) It is completely dependent on a constant source of money to exist. There in lies the problem.

MONEY controls institutions. Corporate structured institutions were designed to be controlled by people with money.

People with that much money ALWAYS have agendas. And their agendas, are first and foremost about their own welfare. It's called "taking care of business."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=k6DK3XRmhJI

[TigaHawk]

Posted by Flash (here)
There seem to be quite a few enthusiastic smokers/takers here

i was talking to doctor working in a health clinic for Young people, and he was telling me that now, weed is sooo strong, that those slightly predispose for mental disease, but would never have developed it otherwise, are now developing drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia in huge amount, to his surprise.

Some come back from it after a weaning period, others just don't.

My take, everythingin moderation is fine, well, except for cyanides or other similar compound. Have your wine, beer, weed, mushrooms, in moderation.

What you get in most places (i guess not a problem in america, i hear you can walk into the legal places and look through a book of all different strains to pick one!) is completely random quality. I dont know how they can make it super strong? Hydroponics just speeds up the growth as you control the environment, the roots are allways submerged in water and a mix of minerals that changes based on what stage the plant is at and what they want it to do (grow from small to big, then to flower etc) it's not like chemical drugs where they can play around with the purity or ammount of chemicals. The best you could do i guess would be to find/splice strong strains together then grow it hydroponically - but think about how the bulk of MJ is supplied - especially in places where it is not legal. Alot safer/easier to have a nice plot of land concealed out bush and grow acres of it than it would be to setup and grow in more dense areas in houses or warehouses. So the bulk comes from non hydro out bush, again for the most part it will be a "strain" that's not too spectacular.

It's never taken into consideration that the damages could also be a result of the product being unfit for use because it's been tampered with, or is "off". People spray it with sugar water, so it gets the small glitter and also creates more weight. It's kept damp to increase weight. The really non-potent/crappy plants generally get sprayed with fly spray so it gives more of a "hit" to make up for it. Stuff that is sat on too long - and in the wrong conditions before being sold can grow mold.

Now to that let's add delivery method. With Tobacco - lots of nasties there. With a bong - because selling these is also illegal, the most common/used home made devices generally consist of a plastic soft drink bottle, a length of garden hose and the CP - which again if it's also illegal to sell tobacco pipes are substituted with foil, or cutting out a soda can and shaping it into a cone of the right size. All materials used would also release toxins that you would inhale and definitely should not.

Also take into account that weed is exactly like alcohol in the aspect that you build up a resistance to it - and there are people that can natrually have many and still be fine, and there are people that can have 1 and that's it.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

So the bulk comes from non hydro out bush, again for the most part it will be a "strain" that's not too spectacular.

Imo, its supposed to be not too spectacular, the plant is fine just the way it came, its not weird people get messed up by smoking jacked up herb, at all, unless you have the jacked up receptors to match that is.