Meditation, and any work with Chi or Prana may invite possession by Jinn

[Chester]

Posted by Dawn (here)
I agree with every word you shared justoneman. Not only that, but I always listen carefully to people who have their own personal experience to share, for this is the way to acquiring wisdom, rather than simple knowledge.

Lester Levenson, father of the Sedona Method, used to tell his students to stay away from drinking establishments, to the point of crossing the street in order NOT to walk by the entrance of such. Lester said these places were filled with entities looking to inhabit people who drank, and proximity to such establishments were an invitation to becoming infected with such entities.

I think you and Bill are correct, that drugs can invite possessions. My comment above was about MY personal experience... not about anyone else. I was deep in the Amazon jungle when I used ayahuasca, many miles from human civilization. I did find myself in communion with the jungle vine from which it is made. This is said to be a very ancient consciousness that was on the planet before mankind arrived and it acted as an ally for me while I was there. I personally had many previous invitations to ayahuasca ceremonies in the USA... but (speaking only for myself) I always knew that I would ONLY use this powerful medicine in the jungle from where it originated. So... the only reason for my post was to make it crystal clear that the things I have shared on this thread were NOT due to the use of drugs. In fact, I used ayahuasca specifically to help rid myself of some pesky entities who were not willing to leave me.... and this did work.

I fully believe you about the end of your post. I can certainly see this as possible. I also can imagine many, many folks could and would have a positive experience doing ayahuasca in the proper environment and with the proper friends/guides, like you did. The only reason i pointed out what Bill had mentioned was that he did so in response to a post I believe I made (or on a thread which I joined in on) where I expressed the strong desire to do this myself.

What I realized then was that in my case, it might be unwise (for the reasons I stated above... my history with terrible drugs - the garbage coke for example and frankly the way alcohol consumption ended up being for me). In addition, I was to discover I am part of a small percent of folks who can end up experiencing psychosis strictly from marijuana. This has happened to me about 12 times in my life - the last I almost did not survive.

I am guessing that in your case (as well as the case of many, many others) the ayahuasca experience(s) you had were of great benefit - besides just the entity removal part... but I suspect it played a role in your consciousness expansion as well. I say this because few have I come to know (to "know" to some extent as you have opened up a great deal about yourself) anywhere (besides just here on Avalon) that seem to have such a vastly open mind and give such a sense of being a wonderful, thoughtful and compassionate person. I would imagine the ayahuasca played a role in your development and perhaps not just a minor role.

If I could do it "safely" I am certain I would. Maybe the odds are not good in my case.

[Dawn]

justoneman: I am guessing that in your case (as well as the case of many, many others) the ayahuasca experience(s) you had were of great benefit - besides just the entity removal part... but I suspect it played a role in your consciousness expansion as well. I say this because few have I come to know (to "know" to some extent as you have opened up a great deal about yourself) anywhere (besides just here on Avalon) that seem to have such a vastly open mind and give such a sense of being a wonderful, thoughtful and compassionate person. I would imagine the ayahuasca played a role in your development and perhaps not just a minor role.

If I could do it "safely" I am certain I would. Maybe the odds are not good in my case.

Because of Bill's comment I closed the thread I opened up a while ago about my Peru trip. I have great respect for Bill, and after reading his comment on how dangerous he had personally found ayahuasca to be, I did not want to encourage its use.

Using this drug did not play a role in my openness, as far as I am aware. My Peru trip was in the fall of 2012, and my original awakening (complete with total personality breakdown) was in 1977. The openness and expansion you see in me is due the metanoia I experienced at that time. It came complete with a stay at a mental institution for 7 days. Once you find out that the world is not what you thought it was, and that you are not what you thought you were... well after that it is not really possible to take a firm position on anything.

It was Delight (here on Avalon) who introduced me to this wonderful word. Metanoia is defined by Wiki as:

the process of experiencing a psychotic "break down" and subsequent, positive psychological re-building or "healing"

After my 'psychotic break down' in 1987, I spent the next 9 years without sleep. Each night after a long day of work and being a mother, I would rest for a short time, and then arise and walk in the oak forests until the sun came up the next morning. I experienced a great many transformational changes during that time of re-structuring. So, ayahuasca was just a small bump in my long road, and I did not ask for its help as an ally until 25 years after the metanoia experience. I can well imagine that it could cause as many problems as it resolves for someone who is not used to walking between worlds.

[Chester]

Hi Dawn and thanks for further clarification - getting to know your story even more is wonderful and I appreciate it and I bet others do too. Few can be as open and in such a calm way as you are being.

It is now my question regarding the ayahuasca experience - Besides the entity removal, can you ascertain if there was any additional benefit? If I had to bet, I would bet "yes" but it would be silly of me to speculate, thus asking the question.

[Dawn]

justoneman: I am not planning on additional ayahuasca experiences in my future. That alone should be an indication about how beneficial I feel this experience was. I have made my way through life by following an 'inner wind' which is very faint, but which informs my actions. If there is no sense of this in operation, then I wait and rest... and when I feel its movement again I allow myself to flow with its direction and energy. So, if it ever blows towards ayahuasca again, I may find myself there again.

When I chose to go to Peru, and use ayahuasca as an ally, it was on the strong recommendation of a friend and healer I know. Unfortunately the wonderful shaman, who owned and ran Refugio Altiplano, was under severe stress while I was there. He was experiencing the aftermath of a break up with a long time girlfriend, and manager of the business. She was very angry, and doing some horrendous things to make his life a living hell. Still, he did his job well and I felt blessed to be in his presence. Unfortunately Scott Peterson died a little over a year later and is no longer running Refugio Altiplano. I do not think his former retreat is a safe place to journey at this time, and so I won't be going back.

As for what my ayahuasca experience was like and what it did for me.... As I mentioned in an earlier post, my 3rd eye opened a long time ago through meditation and exercises to open and clear the pineal gland. It was common for me to see many strange entities living among us prior to using ayahuasca. With the use of this medicine, my 3rd eye vision became more clear, colorful, and vibrant so that 'other dimensional' entities appeared more solid. For someone who did not have a history of learning to be non-reactive to seeing entities, the ayahuasca experience could have become extremely frightening. That is likely why all of the visitors to Refugio Altiplano, with the exception of me, could not see the things I did.... fear will prevent the mind from registering what it sees consciously. Scott Peterson DID see the things I did, and let me know that he also saw them.

I am going to speculate here. For someone who is not prepared in advance, ayahuasca could do psychological damage. Perhaps severe damage. Using it might cause a split personality, just as torture and/or trauma do. One personality would be the one who experiences another reality that does not seem to be safe. The other personality would hold on to its view of reality and remain safe in the 3D world we are all taught to see.... thus blocking out the things that are seen with an active 3rd eye. As a seer, my biggest job has always been to remain neutral about what I see. This has often been extremely difficult since there is often a fear response within the part of my 3D conditioned ego structure, which I must soothe, in order to remain functional.

It is the ability to remain calm and accepting of everything encountered which sets the shaman apart. It is said that the psychotic drowns in the waters which the shaman floats upon. At Refugio Altiplano there were 3 senior shaman, and 3 shaman-visitors. After my exorcism, which took about 6 ceremonies, I became one of these. We 6 people took some of the medicine and sat watching the others during the last ceremony I attended there. Many entities were present in the ceremony room, including about 40-50 shaman-elders, who sat calmly on the benches around the room dressed in their peasant clothes watching over everyone. The atmosphere was calm and peaceful, for the 6 of us. Scott lovingly took one body shape after another, to work silently with the woman in front of him, who was badly infected. While he worked, he kept up a conversation about normal 3D life so that she would not be frightened. He spoke to her about her hair do, about things like shopping for clothes, and about the weather. Meanwhile he was working on another level and also mentoring his shamen-visitors. It was a sacred time filled with love and caring.

There was ONE person, out of the 20 non-shaman types, who finally did 'see' on the very last day I was there. He ran down to the dock, as I was leaving by boat, and threw his arms around me. He wanted to express gratitude that I had prepared him for seeing what he finally allowed himself to look at. My careful sharing with the group had born fruit. He said, "I finally understand what you have been saying. Thank you so much for being my way-shower"

And then I was gone... gliding over the brown waters of the Amazon river towards the far away town of Iquitos and back into the weird world of 'Modern' civilization.

[Chester]

Awesome recapitulation of your experience, Dawn... Thanks

[Delight]

I cannot believe there are objective threatening forces at all.
I want to share a retelling of a story that helps me feel unafraid because of anything externalized being my own state.
Neville Goddard is one who knew that the underlying laws are purposeful and Universal. The world is something that is FOR us.

Neville is a teacher from the mid 1900's. For many years in California, he spoke weekly at the Wilshire Theatre and other palces. He gave lectures that can be heard through various sources. He also has some books I highly regard.

Neville always had stage presence. His speaking voice is deep and soothing and elegant. He was handsome and kind. He was a graceful and very loving man to friends and family.

Neville first came to America to dance. He performed as a young man in Vaudeville. He could be called a bon vivant at heart from stories of his theater life. Neville liked treating his friends to dinner. He liked talking and joking and liked the shows and being up at restaurants partying. He liked hotels and fine clothes. He was dark and handsome and liked women.

Neville decided at one point that his life of frivolous eating drinking and merriment was a dead end. Along the same time as he took on being ascetic, he met a mysterious man named Abdulla.

Abdulla a Sage from Ethiopia living in NYC held the lineage of esoteric Christianity that also informed Islam. Abdulla understood and taught the Bible as a psychology of man. The language of the bible is a spiritual guide with multiple layers of symbolism. Every one characterized is within all of us.

Each Character is a state of being mythologized. We move through states but the state is not who I AM.

Abdulla was amused by Neville's angst at his behaviors and his sober vegetarian inner contemplative moodiness. Neville was broke and felt poor and shabby. His spirit was low. In the cause of being spiritual he was suffering a deep lonely pain.

Neville was used to enjoying the pleasures of life. He had grown up in Barbados where his family was sometimes poor but always able to eat well and had no deep hardship. Esthetics and music dance and art were valued. They seem to have been fairly sound in handling differences and supportive of one another.They seem to be have felt a happy family.

His mother was a good housekeeper and his father as an honest man in trade. Neville describes that the goose for Sunday dinner was set aside for special feeding in advance. Instead of fish, the fowl was fed corn to change the meat's taste. He describes it as though he was essentially conscious about the life of the goose but accepted that this is what they ate. Being OK that they ate the goose, he had no inner contradiction about the choice.

In taking on a period of poverty and chastity and trying to live like a monk, Neville was going against his natural feeling. Abdulla kept trying to show Neville he did not have to be a Tea-totaler to be a holy man.

Neville's parents came to visit from Barbados one fall. Neville lived in a cold water flat that he felt ashamed to show his parents.Neville's work had fallen off as show business was making a transition of what was popular entertainment.

The visit seems to have triggered Neville's deep nostalgia for what felt like elusive happiness. He started longing to be able to return to Christmas in Barbados. His whole family would be there. It seemed impossible and Neville flt forlorn and broken up.

Neville shared his discouraged wish to go home. Abdulla promised Neville that this would be possible. The last boat out before Christmas was leaving in late November. Abdulla asked Neville if he would humor Abdulla and take a turn from all he was doing to be a spiritual person? Would Neville follow some direction from Abdulla of where to focus?

Neville was desperate. He used Abdull's suggestions. Neville walked on the street feeling Barbados and the warm moist breeze. He was asked just to do this one specific task of feeling being home.

A letter came from Neille's brother. It asked Neville to come home for Christmas. It asked Neville to buy some new clothes, take the first class passage on the last bat leaving before Christmas. A check was enclosed.

Neille went right away to get a ticket. There were no First Class passages left. Neville was told he could use the first class amenities but must bed in a Second class room. Neville was just glad to have a ticket. He visited Abdulla next to share the amazing news.

Abdulla acted incensed that Neville was accepting of the Second class accommodations. he told Neville to see himself sleeping in first calss. "A man like you does not need to take less than the best as acceptable. There is no limit on this work to create the life." Neville felt chastised and Abduhlla in a huff sent him off. But Neville did the work of changing his picture.

The day of departure Neville was informed that a first class berth was open and he would sleep in a state room as he had imagined. Neville relaxed on the ship. Abdulla had suggested he do whatever he like and stop proscribing a right way to eat and drink. Abdulla had suggested voyage be a point of change. Neville lifted his spirit so high that he never again tempted to accept a state of suffering for any reason.

That Christmas reunited him with his extended family and himself. He learned a huge lesson for real. He chose the state to be and aimed there by feeling at all times he already had whatever was part of the scenery that person accepted. Then later he taught what he knew about the Laws and the Promise. Even later he seems to have reached a state he could only describe in metaphors.
But what he had to say to his audience was that the states he reached were not speacial to him. As just a natural outcome all will experience the states we choose. Everything around us will seem to cooperate in whatever way we make the choices.

The whole world, anything imaginable was open and beckoning to reveal our present state. There is purpose in how we manifest. We need not be abstemious about life and there is nothing dangerous lurking monster to face, just our own selves playing the part of a state.

That is the point...what role is the being playing at the moment? What is a state of being meaning and how do we feel into the new state? If we feel negatively or positively or small or large...anything that we are doing and experiencing: ALL that is JUST a state. It arises form us. It makes sense to the soul to fully express in whatever way we can imagine.

I feel he is an elder brother who went along a bit farther than I and calling back encouragement. It makes me happy to contemplate his message. What a revelation he demonstrated.

"It was in San Francisco, on July 20, 1959 that Neville awoke to find himself sealed in a tomb. Removing a stone placed there, he came out of his skull just like a child comes out of its mother’s womb.

From that moment on Neville’s lectures changed. Having awakened from the dream of life, Neville’s outlook on the world changed. He knew, as the visions came upon him from that point on, that the garment he wore, and answered to its name, was simply a covering, hiding his true, immortal being who was God the Father. And he tried to tell all those who would listen that they were not the little mask they wore, but a being far greater than they could ever conceive themselves to be.

And from that day forward, until his departure on October 1, 1972 Neville, like Paul, expounded from morning till night, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince all about Jesus, both from the law of Moses and the prophets. And some believed, while others disbelieved."http://www.navigatingtheaether.com/neville-goddard/

So, how this relates to the idea of Jinn, Djinn ? I can't help but notice that when we meditate or do any inward practice, we accentuate the inner landscape.
In there demonic elements that are denials of self hurt terribly. But they are states we own.

Any genii captured will escape with fury in due time.
Make friends with the devil and fear not.
Extend a hand in Friendship and devils become lambs kindly.
It is just a mind moving along in states of finding.

Mind strikes the pool where all manifestations arise,
Wavelets spread and that touch all enveloped possibility of life.
Pause at any point where on what we attach
is vibrational sentience we congeal as our congruent match.

Just being the state it is means freedom we all prize.
There is no one there except one's Self to take reprisals on or despise.
There the sentences we passed judge us.
Just one state where we may meet the devils and angels we devise.

IMO it is of such a vast significance that we are ourselves capable of genius, the state of Djinn. Is my state of Djinn imprisoned in a bottle and how does that feel?

[Dawn]

How sweet Delight. My life has not gone this way, despite all I could do to feel, think, and imagine it differently. This message does not tell the complete truth, for me personally. It is not that I have not had some glorious times and experiences in my life.... but I have also endured many 'hellish' events and expreiences as well. I think it is 'nice' that he had such an experience... good for him. Apparently I have fallen short... and it sounds as though you have as well??? Hmm? I am an 'elder' now, so I do not struggle against my life, or my current situation. But it is definately not what I thought or visualized it to be.

Here is a saying which seems to me to be very true based on my personal experience.

Life is what happens when you are making plans for something else.

Sometimes life experiences are amazing and magical, and other times they are anything but that (at least from the view of the conditioned mind). I can tell of times where I experienced amazing God like powers and events that were so magical as to be unbelieveable. I do not speak of these because they would not be believable. However these 'highs' don't seem to be all that life experience is made of. It seems to me that this earthly life is a mixture of both the highs and the lows.

In a way the duality of this world is like the wings of a butterfly... together they create life experiences. Perhaps an 'all good' life would not seem to be interesting. Who can say. I haven't had such ... so I don't know what that might be like.

Perhaps some aspect of me which I am not aware of... The Great Self? .... The Divine?.... made decisions that my life should be filled with both sorrow and joy. Or perhaps in some distant unremembered life I was 'evil' and needed to experience the opposite, as is often said by some of the 'masters' who have lived on this planet. I always thought I might have asked for the life of a shaman... and we all know that this archetype is closely related to the wounded healer archetype.

When I was younger these stories gave me a feeling of hope. But now such things bring up a feeling of deep sorrow. My soft inner child says something like this, "He was loved and given joy. What is wrong with me that I have been spit on and treated so badly over and over?" It does not seem to matter to this inner sad child that many experiences have been wonderful, hearing about them triggers the opposite in her.

And that is something very interesting which used to be taught in the Sedona Method when Lester was alive. He used to teach about emotions in order to help people understand and be at ease with them. In the case of 'Joy', sorrow seems to be triggered. Thus 'tears of joy' occur often. When I used to work with trauma victims, I would always have them go deeply into the joy of a treasured moment during the previous week. As they remembered and allowed themselves to feel the deep joy and peace of a remembered moment, they would suddenly switch into tears, and a full blown trauma vortex would show up. The more joy they allowed themselves to feel... the more intense would be the opposite emotion that suddenly showed up.

[Delight]

Posted by Dawn (here)
How sweet Delight. My life has not gone this way, despite all I could do to feel, think, and imagine it differently. This message does not tell the complete truth, for me personally. It is not that I have not had some glorious times and experiences in my life.... but I have also endured many 'hellish' events and expreiences as well. I think it is 'nice' that he had such an experience... good for him. Apparently I have fallen short... and it sounds as though you have as well??? Hmm? I am an 'elder' now, so I do not struggle against my life, or my current situation. But it is definately not what I thought or visualized it to be.

Here is a saying which seems to me to be very true based on my personal experience.

Life is what happens when you are making plans for something else.

Sometimes life experiences are amazing and magical, and other times they are anything but that (at least from the view of the conditioned mind). I can tell of times where I experienced amazing God like powers and events that were so magical as to be unbelieveable. I do not speak of these because they would not be believable. However these 'highs' don't seem to be all that life experience is made of. It seems to me that this earthly life is a mixture of both the highs and the lows.

In a way the duality of this world is like the wings of a butterfly... together they create life experiences. Perhaps an 'all good' life would not seem to be interesting. Who can say. I haven't had such ... so I don't know what that might be like.

Perhaps some aspect of me which I am not aware of... The Great Self? .... The Divine?.... made decisions that my life should be filled with both sorrow and joy. Or perhaps in some distant unremembered life I was 'evil' and needed to experience the opposite, as is often said by some of the 'masters' who have lived on this planet. I always thought I might have asked for the life of a shaman... and we all know that this archetype is closely related to the wounded healer archetype.

When I was younger these stories gave me a feeling of hope. But now such things bring up a feeling of deep sorrow. My soft inner child says something like this, "He was loved and given joy. What is wrong with me that I have been spit on and treated so badly over and over?"

the Only expression I feel about what you reveal is the yearning that wells us up. I feel it tonight as I want to go HOME and I have the urge to speak up for what home feels like. I have not fallen short or any of us.

That is the very message I feel in Goddard's writings. He used to speak to what his followers practiced in the name of health (physical, finacial, relationship health). They constantly berated themselves in the name of their set goals. They spoke against others in gossip and belittling judgement some days. These were the goals he spoke to IMO... what is the goal in dissing everything?

1. We know deep inside that we sought something beautiful by coming to life.
2. Misery wears us down like a clock winds down. Neville asked his followers to help rewind (in my metaphor) by seeing what they could of happiness. So if I see you as a friend, I imagine in you what qualities you ask of happiness. I see that for you and when I refuse to see it, I start winding down slower and slower.
3. Seeing thy neighbor as thy self (including all unknown sentience) is also seeing what one wants for the beloved, for YOURS too. We have that job to learn, not to freeze up in fear.
This is IMO what I have experienced

To see what looks like happiness in another and appreciate that happiness is flipped backwards when I see the world as a terrible misery for beings to live in. it becomes so, one step away from defining how it looks. It is a state of being happy IO that is the elusive motivation for living. By FIRST seeing it ALL as benevolent and supportive, I include myself and everything in friendship. I expect we will enjoy our world. That includes all and in some mysterious way it all is displaying Creator's original plan.

I feel that there is nothing we should be ashamed about in us or anyone. It is IMO as important to the Universe that we experience a life as it is that the whole Universe exists. I notice tendencies to cringe as if we ever fall short. It isn't permanent really! Only states of being manifested. It is freed up NOW to alter. I know I may loose the burden, the oppression and the miserliness of poverties that I FEEL. I own them but let them as what appeared. Then I am asked to feel something else that I choose to appreciate more. Then I own that expression.

That is why I cannot feel bummed about my state and I love myself anyway. If I see demons, so be it. They cannot harm me.

[Dawn]

Very well said Delight. Thank you for your post.

[Chester]

Posted by spiritwind (here)
I truly do believe there is a whole world of sentient beings that, because they didn’t tow the line (of control, enslavement, and oppression), became essentially a parallel unseen world to our own. They never submitted and they have been here through all that has occurred over the course of time here on planet earth, and were here when the primary goal of incarnated beings was to create and maintain beautiful gardens. To work co-creatively, with great mutual respect and honor between species and the forces of nature, and be the caretakers and protectors of this beautiful planet. Maybe this is actually a legacy that originated on another planet, maybe in another star system. Maybe, it is as Agape relates in her story, a multi layered fall from a higher state of consciousness, to one of various levels of impairment resulting from an inability to adjust to a foreign environment.

I also believe that it is possible to reconnect with this natural world in a totally beneficial and life affirming manner that absolutely is as easy as spending time in nature and talking to everything you see with new eyes, as if it was actually as alive and able to communicate with you as your best friend. Seriously, I talk to everything. Out loud even. I can feel the differences between unseen energies now, that either mean to interact in a friendly manner open to mutual sharing, or in a manner that feels controlling or menacing in some way. I didn’t really realize this until the recent discussion about the Jinn. I don’t know what the Jinn really are, and so far I have not really heard definitively from anyone who does know and is willing to share enough to make any assumptions on. I do know, at least from my own personal experiences that I feel very protected when I am out in nature, and this has come about because of a 20 year journey that started with a 3 day fast in a somewhat remote area where my goal was to make a stronger connection with those unseen forces. The energies of nature, when not controlled by man through occult means (or a secret priesthood of man, hybrids, or outright hostile beings from somewhere else who may even be somewhat related to some of these beings/energies that got pushed out of this dimension), are not hostile to anyone who approaches them with respect, as equals. Not under, not above, but as true equals with different attributes.

This has come about after working simultaneously for some time with the “methods of others”. I pretty much quit using the methods of others I realized because it is now time for all of us, in my most humble opinion, to each develop our own unique and very personalized way of communicating and learning to understand for ourselves through our own personal experiences, what it means to work with these various energies. To me, they are like individual people in a way. They are around us all the time and, I believe, are most eager to communicate with us. I actually talk to the trees and tree people around me, the four leggeds of all kinds, the flying ones, those that live in the waters, both fresh and salt. I even talk to the insects I meet. I also talk to all the stone people, and I just realized that I have been consistently over a many years period of time, developing a relationship with these beings that in some ways is more real and fulfilling than many of my human relationships with my fellowman. In many ways they are more trustworthy. But that has just been my experience. I’ve got to think I’m not alone in this. I have chores to do so I am going to leave this as it is for now and would just love it if someone else with similar experiences could maybe elaborate on this idea even more. But, for me, this world (artificially created to control us IMO) would almost be unbearable were it not for my relationship with what to me is the “real world”.

Because my intuition just led me to your profile page, spiritwind, and because I noticed Dawn had mentioned this post of yours, I came to it and read it.

I just want to thank you for putting into words what is pretty much the same view I have about the "Djinn" and my experience with what may be Djinn which is the same as you have had. Essentially very good experiences.

Now, I cannot know that amongst some of the Djinn (if there even ARE such a thing as Djinn) may be Djinn who are deceptive (as some researchers and experiencers suggest.

I don't make any "deals" with any Djinn. I do play with the ideal that if there are Djinn and they share our world, they should be respected and hopefully we would be able to gain their respect.

I also feel the same regarding "method." It is my view that a self developed method may be the best but I can only speak for myself.

It is wonderful when I read something like you have written because I always end up with that great feeling I am not alone.

[Dawn]

justoneman, Thank you for posting this here. For everyone who has contributed to this thread... I want to say, 'Thank You from my deepest heart space'. Somehow, this discussion of the 'dark' that I have seen and experienced, has freed me of it. Perhaps it is true that the root meaning of 'consciousness' is shared thinking.

Quote You are here to master yourself in order to develop and exercise your will, for by this you will create and live in Sacred Spaces with one another. Your most important task here is to maintain Mental Self-Control, holding your own Mind as a Sacred Space, but at the same time to equally treat all others with this same consideration, for of course their thoughts and mental space are sacred too.

If you misunderstand or misuse your will with regards to your mind, you may be tempted to bend another to your way of thinking, and even go so far that in so doing you feel you have "won" or proven right when you force them to think as you. But all you have done is diminish them and their will, and equally cause damage to your own soul too.

For by thinking and acting in this way you most certainly reveal that you have failed to appreciate the very nature of how your Consciousness formed, and you have failed to understand how it is that you will grow beyond your own limited space of knowing. The word Consciousness literally means "Together-Knowing". It means that the only way in which you are able to form your understanding, the only way you will advance your understanding is through and by sharing, blending and integrating your thoughts and sensibilities with one another. You are made of one another and the only way to see beyond your own self-cast shadowed thought-forms is by bringing into your own thought-forms the perspective and light that comes from many others too.

This Power of the Will is most emphasized now, for it is also today that Pluto turns retrograde. I mentioned this in my General Forecast for 2014 where I noted:

- See more at: http://astrologerbillattride.typepad....dLyXv4Ru.dpuf

My awareness has become so very sensitive and subtle over the years. I believe this may be because I need this awareness to dive into the depths where parts of me are still shattered and alone... waiting to be rescued and brought home again.

Most days, and most nights, I meet very dark and hatefilled beings who use fear and energetic threats in an attempt to terrify and turn me away. There are stories in ancient literature about 'gate keepers' within consciousness. I don't know where from, or how, these sprang into existance... but I still meet them often. The difference after this thread is that they do not leave lasting upset within my mind.

You have all given me a great gift with your participation here. Thank you.

[DNA]

I think the crazy thing is that the "Djinn" possession may actually offer beneficial attributes to the host.


When I say a "Djinn" can offer positive things to the individual being possessed, I suppose there is a needed explanation.

We are constantly being fed upon by things we do not see in terms of parastic non-organic parasites.

It's very likely that Castaneda's Don Juan character allowed such a possession to take place in himself in order to rid himself of lower parasites. The Non-Organic beings as Castaneda's Don Juan referred to would be this Djinn like character.

Although it is never stated in the books, I have often thought that this in fact could be the case.

Smaller parasites would include
1. Ghosts
2. Shadow Beings feeding on Sexual Energy
3. Lower astral animal type parasites that feed on bad habit energy.


It has been my experience that the DJINN entity has the rare ability to rid a human of some of these other entities, thus cleaning things up for itself.
The Djinn in turn does not feed on YOUR energy, it instead feeds on the energy of those in your proximity, turning the possessed into a psychic vampire.
Really a vampire period.
And for some reason being rid of the lower parasites makes you more attractive and capable in the eyes of others.
Increasing your ability and role as this psychic vampire.


I have an experience where such an entity made an offer to myself.
I hate creating long posts. The length of which causes folks not to read them, but for the sake of sharing here it is.

DNA's Encounter with a Vampire

This is an experience where I feel a astral entity,,,stronger and more permanent and pervasive than a ghost attempted to form a symbiotic/parasitic bond with me.
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I began a correspondence with Jonathan Zap (e-mail) at the end of 2003. At the time I was heavily into this idea of there being a non-organic, non-physical energy oriented life form, or forms. Zap did a show with Jonathan Grey on this subject on coast to coast in 06.
Zap is a very cerebral guy, and he was very influential in helping me explore/understand and categorize this phenomenon. Zap has some excellent first hand experience with energy parasites including an encounter with a parasite possessed human, making that human a vampire, found here Mind Parasites,Energy Parasites and Vampires.

So, I started working at this call center/phone modem tech, temp company in march of 07. I was in a training class, and as training classes go, you make friends hang out at lunch, that kind of thing.

I made an acquaintance, and,in so far as the story goes, I believe Darren, was home to a parasite of greater strength, tenacity and permanence than I'm used to encountering.

He (Darren) was quite the character, he was like a guy from the wrong time period, he wore long black riding boots, had long lustrous hair, he wore non-collared long sleeve white cotton button shirts that gave him a bit of a pirate look. He was muscular about 6'2 and looked like he could take care of himself in a fight.
As a guy you can't help but to gauge these kinds of things.

Darren lacked the ability to engage, and I know that sounds weird, but, in a conversation, I tend to value those who can engage, and though we had lots in common, and we talked quite a bit, he never really engaged with me, or if you will, in a Celestine Prophecy esque meaning, he never opened up energetically.

Zap states in his personal encounters with people like this, that folks tend to tell you if they are a vampire, you just have to listen and believe them when they let you know. Now on this note, i could tell you that Darren went on and on about playing this vampire RPG game called Kindrid the Gathering, and that is a little clue. Darren would become amazingly animated (much more so than normal) when telling the tales of his RPG game,,and it was almost as if,,he felt like he was allowed to express that he really, identified with vampires.

On our last day of class,,,we were all coming back from our last break of the day, and getting ready to take the last test of the training class, the instructor was late coming back and I was talking to Darren.

He asked about a turtle I was wearing on a rope around my neck.
I told him it was my animal totem, joking I thought. He became serious, and well,, for the first time, rather engaging. He asked if I believe in animal totems. I told him that thousands of years of shamanic practice lend some backing in my opinion.

He then went into this rant, now, when people want to tell a story, I have no problem with giving them my energy via attention, and I even have this cool ability to zero in on a place in the aura where the memories being shared are stored and focus in on that area, imbuing it with more energy and thus, giving the story more energy to be told. Giving the story teller more energy to and ability to tell the story.

Darren told me about how he believed he had an animal totem, a cat or panther like totem. He said he felt it saved him. He said without it, he knew he would have went the way of his two brothers and two sisters, who were drug addled and homeless or in prison.

Darren and his siblings were the victims of horrible physical and sexual abuse from their father.
Darren acknowledged this as the reason for his siblings having their problems, and stated his not repeating their mistakes, was the help he began receiving one day from this animal totem.

He said he felt a force or living being asking to live in him (he was very adament about it), and he said "yes" to the entity asking to live in him, then feeling an indwelling force that he cited had changed him and continues to, to this day. This indwelling force,,made him feel stronger,,more focused, he said he no longer felt the same craving for substances (drugs,alcohol) like his brothers and sisters did.
By now we were in the class, given notes for the test and given time to study.

Darren had worked there before, and he didn't need to study.
And he wouldn't stop talking about this subject.
I say wouldn't cause I needed to study.
He went on and on, saying this cat like totem lived on in him, and that he never wanted drugs again or needed to drink again.
He said his addictive vices were gone.
Now I could see part of the problem, was that he was getting kind of high on the energy I had given him, and I tried to pull back now, but he seemed to not want to let me.

Later that same night, I had this dream.
I received a call from Jonathan Zap and I answered it on an outside pay phone, telling me that someone was coming. There was a traveling circus, complete with caged animals, the whole nine yards. One of the accompanying performers was going to be paying me a visit.

I took it that it was his friend(Jonathan Zap's friend), and I told him any friend of his was welcome to stay at my place.
He then told me I should be carefull of who I allow to stay in my place and that I should really think it over.
I took this as him being to shy to ask for his friend and told him non-sense, his friend could stay with me.
He again protested, and I told him I had to go.

I was then in my apartment, answering a knock on the door, and it was a young thirty year old man with a dufflebag, he was a sturdy thin gentleman, wearing warm baggy clothes with short black curly hair, he looked greek or roman, but very contemporary.

I invited him in, and told him to make himself at home.
I told him I had some errands I had to run and I left the apartment.
When I came back in, I saw the man with children tied to chairs, torturing them with a drill. He was removing their teeth.
I was in horror. I was in shock. I mean for a dream, I was really feeling the impact of this horror. It was as if this was all really happening, and the children were as alive and important as any child I would see while waking.
As I stood, not knowing what to do, the man nodded to me, as if he would be done in a second, and for me to just wait a minute and watch.

I screamed obscenities at him, not making much sense, and demanded him to leave.
He stopped what he was doing, and told me he was doing this for me.
I failed to articulate a response and motioned for him to leave and then said to leave.
He stopped what he was doing and seemed to understand, he then looked me in the eye and said that I would be better off if I allowed him to continue. He had this knowing look in his eyes he looked very genuine. His eyes had a knowing in them and empathy, it was wierd.

I then knew what he meant.
The apartment represented me, the children represented lesser parasites attached to me.
He couldn't kill them, but he could torture them until they decided to leave on thier own.
He was a non-dead entity parasite maybe a Djinn if you will, basically he would rid the host of all other energy parasites but, I knew not what HIS DEMANDS or tax would be.
He genuinly seemed to believe his presence would benefit me.
He told me to think about it.
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I was crying at this point and told him to leave. And he did.
Next thing, I was on the outside pay phone with Jonathan Zap and he was chastising me for letting this guy in my apartment when he had warned me against doing so. And though I was going to blame him for the whole thing, I realized then that he(Jonathan Zap) had tried to warn me.

I woke up with the sense that there was a presense in the room. A powerfull one. Had the animal totem/energy parasite of Darren followed me home and attempted to make a new home,,,,a new home of myself? Had the parasite/animal totem contacted another entitiy and pointed me out? Are my corrolations in error,,,possible,,,but it all felt very real.

In retrospect I do believe almost all of us have lesser energy parasites, urging us to do things that will step down our spirit energy into a lesser vibration more easy for them to consume.


The lesser parasites are obvious to me, greed, indulgence, stealing, beligerance, aloofness, superiority, I could get into this but these are not my questions, these are obvious.

My question is, what would the Djinn parasite want?

[DNA]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
When we go OB at night...and everyone does...either consciously or unconsciously...we are disconnected from the body's nerve system...which is intertwined with the etheric body or etheric matrix...and this means we no longer are able to operate the body physically. So we feel nothing and the body is still and quiet except for maybe some involuntary muscle twitches. Whilst we are fully disconnected no sensations are felt and sleep continues normally. There is still a connection to the body which is the life thread, in the heart via the Vagus nerve...from the top chakra...the consciousness has left the body in it's 'astral' body.

When we return or wake up the consciousness re-enters and we are once again able to feel and move our body.

In some cases and sometimes...not often, when we return, the consciousness...which is now in the 'astral body'...misaligns with the physical body on return and the brain wakes up but the connection to the somatic nervous system has not fully connected or aligned and we then are brain awake but are unable to move or use the nerve system...we are physically conscious but our motor nerve system is not yet aligned with the 'astral' body...we are paralysed...yet we appear fully awake and this is sleep paralyses.

You are so almost there in your understanding here, that I just had to jump on this statement and elaborate a bit for you.


Sleep paralysis when speaking of astral parasites, especially ghosts being the most common are very aware of the above situation you speak of in terms of all dreaming being an out of body experience. And yes they are aware of the connection your body and astral body maintain through the cord.

The brilliance in their manuever is this.

They stay perched on your body feeding on the energy returning through the cord to the body from the astral self.
The astral self is like a kite, floating up in the clouds collecting ionic energy and transferring it to the body so that the body is re-imbued.

Now here comes the good part. Not only can these entities syphon energy from the cord, they can cause your astral self to not fully allign when it returns to the body, and they are purposely creating the "OLD HAG SYNDROM" sleep paralysis and resulting fear/anxiety/terror.

The reason they do this is to feed on the resulting terror/fear energy.

[Shezbeth]

Posted by DNA (here)
My question is, what would the Djinn parasite want?

The entity(-ies) I have interacted with - after closing/dismissing all previous contracts and agreements - have only ever been interested in sincere respect and attention. They and I recognize and/or appreciate that I have claimed the authority by which I can't be compelled to offer anything I'm disinclined to and retain full memory of the interaction/information.

There is a catch however. Most of what results from such interaction is information/ideation that is incomprehensible or undesirable to most without a previously comprehended metaphorical or figurative reference. To be fair, I am extraordinarily wordy for your 'average layperson'.

I have found myself alienated for attempting to share some of the ideas I have entertained during entity interaction; the 'WTF? I don't wanna know the crazy shart he is talking about' phenomenon.

Additionally I have effectively conveyed information to a person to point of reiterate-able comprehension, yet if/when the topic were to occur later the same individuals expressed verbal, eye, and physiological cues indicating a general disdain for the subject or for recollection and discussion; the 'Oh god, not this shart again' phenomenon (where the individual had previously shown active and interested participation). Other cases involve individuals actively/passively being unable to recall the information or the interaction in which it was conveyed; the 'We never talked about that' phenomenon.

Unless someone else mentions something which I perceive can be an effective reference and shows want to understand the referenced information (in form of sincere inquiry), I have found it better to not speak 'it' outside open-minded places such as Avalon.

Individual results may vary.

[DNA]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
My question is, what would the Djinn parasite want?

The entity(-ies) I have interacted with - after closing/dismissing all previous contracts and agreements - have only ever been interested in sincere respect and attention. They and I recognize and/or appreciate that I have claimed the authority by which I can't be compelled to offer anything I'm disinclined to and retain full memory of the interaction/information.

There is a catch however. Most of what results from such interaction is information/ideation that is incomprehensible or undesirable to most without a previously comprehended metaphorical or figurative reference. To be fair, I am extraordinarily wordy for your 'average layperson'.

I have found myself alienated for attempting to share some of the ideas I have entertained during entity interaction; the 'WTF kind of crazy shart is he talking about?' phenomenon.

Additionally I have effectively conveyed information to a person to point of reiterate-able comprehension, yet if/when the topic were to occur later the same individuals expressed verbal, eye, and physiological cues indicating a general disdain for the subject or for recollection and discussion; the 'Oh god, not this shart again' phenomenon (where the individual had previously shown active and interested participation). Other cases involve individuals actively/passively being unable to recall the information or the interaction in which it was conveyed; the 'We never talked about that' phenomenon.

Unless someone else mentions something which I perceive can be an effective reference and shows want to understand the referenced information (in form of sincere inquiry), I have found it better to not speak 'it' outside open-minded places such as Avalon.

Individual results may vary.

I call it the agent smith syndrome.

Matrix reference. It's kind of like the matrix realizes "hey this guy is waking up" and they send a matrix type to marshal false paradigms to fight for their turf inside of the individual.

This is very common for folks who have not gone through the painfull process of self actualization, which in my opinion is extremely difficult, and much easier said than done. The process is ussually one of addition through subtraction. Removing social and familial implanted paradigms. In my experience requiring long stretches of solitary exploration and introspection.

[Dawn]

Shezbeth: There is a catch however. Most of what results from such interaction is information/ideation that is incomprehensible or undesirable to most without a previously comprehended metaphorical or figurative reference. To be fair, I am extraordinarily wordy for your 'average layperson'.

I have found myself alienated for attempting to share some of the ideas I have entertained during entity interaction; the 'WTF? I don't wanna know the crazy shart he is talking about' phenomenon.

Additionally I have effectively conveyed information to a person to point of reiterate-able comprehension, yet if/when the topic were to occur later the same individuals expressed verbal, eye, and physiological cues indicating a general disdain for the subject or for recollection and discussion; the 'Oh god, not this shart again' phenomenon (where the individual had previously shown active and interested participation). Other cases involve individuals actively/passively being unable to recall the information or the interaction in which it was conveyed; the 'We never talked about that' phenomenon.

Unless someone else mentions something which I perceive can be an effective reference and shows want to understand the referenced information (in form of sincere inquiry), I have found it better to not speak 'it'

Shezbeth, will you please tell me more? What ideas have you 'entertained during entity interaction'?

Can you also tell me more about the information you are referring to here, "Most of what results from such interaction is information/ideation that is incomprehensible or undesirable to most without a previously comprehended metaphorical or figurative reference"?

PS: DNA, thank you for jumping in here and adding your wisdom here

I call it the agent smith syndrome.

Matrix reference. It's kind of like the matrix realizes "hey this guy is waking up" and they send a matrix type

This is my personal direct experience. As I became more 'awake' and energetically healthy I was targeted... and I had 7 awful years filled with a great many dark entities. However, as I look back, I believe I clearly see that I was suffering from a couple of agreements I had made. I was also suffering from a false belief system. The agreements were

........1. 'The Bodhisattva vow'... which arrived on its own one day and I willingly and fervently agreed to this (you can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vow)

........2. The 'lightworker' idea of helping to save the planet ( I got help cancelling this here: http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/20...-light-worker/ )

.......3. The idea of being a 'Christed' individual who had the ability and response-ability to help 'lift' humanity (this mis-understanding arrived all on its own during my years with the Open Gate Sangha)

I now view all of these 3 vows and agreements as lie based. I see that the most help I can give is to simply do 'it' myself. If I 'lift' myself, this is the best gift I can give to humanity and to human consciousness. I do not have a long term plan of helping everyone... though I certainly do this in the way I live my life from moment to moment.

This idea of holding up a 'Hero' personality to aspire to when we awaken is quite an elaborately concocted scheme from TPTB (IMHO). Christ finally coming to an understanding of who and what he is, only to be tortured and having his body killed, is designed to trap the unwary into being like their 'hero'. I have realized that I don't think I desire to have a life which plays this scenario out. Unfortunately I lost quite a few years tangled in these patterns.... sigh. No matter, I see the light now.

[DNA]

Posted by Freed Fox (here)
Thanks to everyone sharing their thoughts, experiences, and feelings here.

I feel compelled to add my small two cents, in broad terms, for what it's worth. I ask it not be taken as a challenge or attack on anyone here, as it's not intended as such.

When discussing matters like these, such as djinn, we are speaking of what is widely considered an extra/multi-dimensional phenomena and as such it is inherently beyond any firm grasp. These are things largely unseen, and even when we have intimate experiences with them, they are still largely beyond our perceptual capabilities. Therefore, it would seem a matter of common sense that no one can fully understand what is really going on.

( EDIT: ) OBEs, astral travel, and other spiritual endeavors to that effect, I believe, expand our perceptual capabilities and serve to somewhat mitigate the uncertainty above. Though, I think it is feasible that even in these states, we may still be in relatively shallow waters in what may be a deep and vast metaphorical ocean. Valuable insights, but not necessarily the definitive, end-all-be-all on these matters.

It is only logical that existences in other dimensional planes are AT LEAST as complex as life is here. When you delve into the study of physics, ecology, climatology, and cellular biology, you come to see that life (here, on this plane) is indeed complex, no matter how much we like to simplify it on an individual basis.

Trying to understand the 'other-dimensional', and to paint that in broad strokes, is just a bit like trying to understand marine biology and ecosystems by closing your eyes and sticking your hand in a lake.

As I said, I appreciate the insights, and I certainly welcome more on that front. Still, I firmly believe we should avoid generalizing and/or conforming to anyone else's personal perspective and/or track record of experiences (however far reaching), and I believe that to be the best approach regarding extra-terrestrials as well (as much of the above applies to that as well; being too far removed from the 'big picture' to make any absolute assertions). Incorporate what makes sense to you, what 'resonates', but remain open for revision and new (unexpected) experiences.

Also; positive energy.

This is very well stated, Freed Fox you continue to impress me with insightful posts.
I work a lot, so I tend to read more than post now days, but I would like you to know, I've read a lot of what you've stated, and you are always refreshingly well researched and come from a wonderful point of view.

Please keep it up.

[Delight]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
My question is, what would the Djinn parasite want?

The entity(-ies) I have interacted with - after closing/dismissing all previous contracts and agreements - have only ever been interested in sincere respect and attention. They and I recognize and/or appreciate that I have claimed the authority by which I can't be compelled to offer anything I'm disinclined to and retain full memory of the interaction/information.

There is a catch however. Most of what results from such interaction is information/ideation that is incomprehensible or undesirable to most without a previously comprehended metaphorical or figurative reference. To be fair, I am extraordinarily wordy for your 'average layperson'.

I have found myself alienated for attempting to share some of the ideas I have entertained during entity interaction; the 'WTF kind of crazy shart is he talking about?' phenomenon.

Additionally I have effectively conveyed information to a person to point of reiterate-able comprehension, yet if/when the topic were to occur later the same individuals expressed verbal, eye, and physiological cues indicating a general disdain for the subject or for recollection and discussion; the 'Oh god, not this shart again' phenomenon (where the individual had previously shown active and interested participation). Other cases involve individuals actively/passively being unable to recall the information or the interaction in which it was conveyed; the 'We never talked about that' phenomenon.

Unless someone else mentions something which I perceive can be an effective reference and shows want to understand the referenced information (in form of sincere inquiry), I have found it better to not speak 'it' outside open-minded places such as Avalon.

Individual results may vary.

I call it the agent smith syndrome.

Matrix reference. It's kind of like the matrix realizes "hey this guy is waking up" and they send a matrix type to marshal false paradigms to fight for their turf inside of the individual.

This is very common for folks who have not gone through the painfull process of self actualization, which in my opinion is extremely difficult, and much easier said than done. The process is ussually one of addition through subtraction. Removing social and familial implanted paradigms. In my experience requiring long stretches of solitary exploration and exploration.

For some reason I feel I want to bring something here about being in contexts that twist wholesome connections with what could be called Dimensional beings. My experience of ayahausca ceremonies as interpreted by American church structure was not healthy. The Expectation of a group using the Spirit Vine can inhibit how one contacts other dimensions. My last experience a couple of years ago made me distrust the support for free experience and the subtle installing of beliefs of us and the others.

What happened basically is that there was an expectation in this group that people would be manageably quiet puking up their traumas. I have never vomited with ayahausca and think that I have nothing apparently wrong about that inability but have doubted myself a bit because I was not "normal".

In the way the ceremonies of my experience are conducted, a shaman is brought up from South America. It is expected that participants stay together in a room in their spaces. The drinking is conducted ceremonially then the shaman sings his Icaros and will go around the circle shaking leaves. When he comes around it is supposed he is moving energy around the group. One can have additional medicine. If one feels the urge to talk, one is to go to an adjoinig room.

The last experience I had started with giggles and the belly laughter. The need to sing became overpowering. I was of course shushed and people came to quiet me. I was conscious of the need to sing coming up from a deep place and I felt joined by Gaia herself (in my imagination I suppose). Then I lost consciousness of myself but I was later touched by my neighbor and "came to" being in the room again. He was being helpful because I was doing some speaking. With my eyes open I saw green vining threads connecting everything and the air was not airy but thick so it was like moving in water to reach out. I was heavy. Someone asked me to get up and I could not move. It was embarrassing and I passed out again. Later I was told it took people to carry me outside.

The feeling I had when I was conscious was that the people were ghouls who were trying to stop the voice from speaking. But I passed out of consciousness again. Apparently I spit on people calling them ghouls when they wanted to take me out and the next day learned I hurt people's feelings.

It was Halloween that night. Maybe I was just responding to the idea of ghouls. But sincerely the voice seemed to be a high vibe when I was awake to feel it. Honestly I feel the intention of making me be quiet was ghoulish as it seemed to be about "order" and "propriety" to stop me.

Later outside when I came to I still was seeing visions with my eyes open...like the stars out of their orbits all moving crazily. I heard coyotes singing a song. I was told I was talking about the history of earth and that it was ringing a bit true to the woman who was "minding me"

If I had been able to move through the experience without interference I think I would have retained my awareness of all of it. The embarrassment that "I " felt over being inappropriate was too great for me to stay aware while something was coming up...not purging in a traditional accepted sense.

I am not sure If I was not acting from a non-usual dimension of "me" or some One else was involved. The feeling of this contact was wonderful except for being asked to be quiet and unable to get up and move when I was so heavy and the atmosphere thick and I could not walk.

The "take" I have of this experience and my own beliefs about my contact with others is that human society is a shaper of what we experience, how we respond and how this allows or detracts from being in a "good" communication.

I may be misguided but the feeling I have of the larger reality is that the way we block (a stage term) the scene from our opinions will be so important that we cannot ignore our role in shaping the connections.

[DNA]

Posted by Dawn (here)
With permission from theVoyager I am posting this PM I got a few days ago. I'd like to add that I resonate very strongly with the information he provides about 'protection' not working. I have been on the 'spiritual path' all of my life and have tried many types of protection. I can tell you first hand that they DO NOT WORK! If you are experiencing them as working for you then there are other unknown reasons that you think they are effective. Perhaps you do not have any ages old agreements which would allow them to meddle with you. Perhaps you are not aware enough to clearly see if they are working or not, or perhaps the Jinn that introduce themselves to you are using 'love' and other 'bliss' energies to get a toe hold with you. When you meet beings that feel good to you... watch out... for in time they will likely turn into something else entirely and your experience of them will be very different. (info on the classes being discussed are here: http://www.holographickinetics.com/)

I never know if this is bad policy or not, catching up on a thread and making replies as such.
I always figuire when the thread is this deep why not. Eh?

I just wanted to add to your statement Dawn. I agree 100% here in so far as what you state about protection spells and evocations and what not.
The stuff absolutely does not work for lower parasites, ghosts and what not.
The reason being is personal and never the same.
We all, especially in this day and age, participate in actions that step down our energy and lower our defenses.

I have a story folks can read HERE if they want. The story is how as a poor hungry kid I learned to shop lift at an early age.
Now regardless of my need and or the reason, stealing is a crime against the soul, the practice of changes the charge or frequency of your energy and allows non-organic parasites to feed. The weird thing also is that after these little buggers form an attachment, they can encourage through impulses to continue this activity.
I gave the parasites permission to feed through my action, and only through a change in my action can I remove them.

This takes place on quite a few levels, and the things we do to step down our energy are many fold.

Now here is the difference when it comes to a being like a Djinn.
They know what I speak of. They know the rules when it comes to your actions determine parasite invitations-infestations, and as such, believe it or not even if they are going to attach to you, they "ASK YOUR PERMISSION". It is just like the vampire who asks permission before he can enter your home.
A Djinn knows that invading your person without asking you or doing so against your will is against universal law, as such it is my experience that they do not do this. They tend to ask the host, and what is weird is that the host will say yes sometimes.

When someone tells you they are a vampire, I would go ahead and believe them and be very wary, vampires are pretty freaking honest.

[DNA]

Posted by Dawn (here)
This is my personal direct experience. As I became more 'awake' and energetically healthy I was targeted... and I had 7 awful years filled with a great many dark entities. However, as I look back, I believe I clearly see that I was suffering from a couple of agreements I had made. I was also suffering from a false belief system. The agreements were

........1. 'The Bodhisattva vow'... which arrived on its own one day and I willingly and fervently agreed to this (you can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vow)

........2. The 'lightworker' idea of helping to save the planet ( I got help cancelling this here: http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/20...-light-worker/ )

.......3. The idea of being a 'Christed' individual who had the ability and response-ability to help 'lift' humanity (this mis-understanding arrived all on its own during my years with the Open Gate Sangha)

I now view all of these 3 vows and agreements as lie based. I see that the most help I can give is to simply do 'it' myself. If I 'lift' myself, this is the best gift I can give to humanity and to human consciousness. I do not have a long term plan of helping everyone... though I certainly do this in the way I live my life from moment to moment.

I agree 100% on these accounts as well.

I personally view all religions as equally false. Not that I would go to a church and tell those folks they are wrong. I"m not ecclesiastical in my view on religions being wrong and on some level they may in fact help for younger souls and all. And I do not mean that in a demeaning way at all, there is no better or worse when it comes to older and younger souls, we all are here together.

But that being said, yes, if a person was receptive to the information I would say beyond a shadow of a doubt all religion is wrong and or bad.

I say as much here Parasitic gods.

When it comes to religion I view all with a form of uneasy mistrust.
The old pagan gods were a case of mistaken identity really. Ancient astronauts worshiped as gods, so with all of that worshipful energy and sacrifice being offered, I'm sure some sort of fourth dimensional entity or group of entities showed up to bask in this radiance.

The same goes for the hindu gods, and from these pagan/hindu gods you get the zoroastrianists and jewish religions.
And from these you get contemporary christianity and buhhdism and now we have new age.