The hidden forum

[Cristian]

It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.

Helen Keller


I think you guys have seen the hidden forum.

Never mind what threads users start or what they post. I’m talking about the energy behind every user. You guys can see that right?

Each and one of us is a mix of hope, fear, pain, joy…. To that we add experience and determination. We also add ego and the desire to preserve the status quo.

Most of us have their toys lined up in order ,and much like an autistic child , we do not want our toys to be arranged in other ways. We scream and cry when somebody tries to do that.
Is the ego’s inability to let go.

We say we are awake and aware…but in reality most of us got stuck in a bigger bubble than the people we call sheeple .
From this energetic level we give advice to others and we confront users with different values. We appear to be humble and we wear that mask , but deep inside the ego knows better.

To all this add the forum addiction phenomenon . At some point we wanted to grow…but now posting is more like a social venue. We have a circle of friends and we pretty much post the same things over and over…
I think I can do more in my life and for this forum . A lot more. I think you guys can do a lot better too.

[Eagle Eye]

Posted by Cristian (here)
We say we are awake and aware…but in reality most of us got stuck in a bigger bubble than the people we call sheeple .

The bigger bubble you call, represent consciousness. We are not stuck but we are trying to extend that bubble as much as possible.

[greybeard]

Posted by Cristian (here)
It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.

Helen Keller


I think you guys have seen the hidden forum.

Never mind what threads users start or what they post. I’m talking about the energy behind every user. You guys can see that right?

Each and one of us is mix of hope, fear, pain, joy…. To that we add experience and determination. We also add ego and the desire to preserve the status quo.

Most of us have their toys lined up in order ,and much like an autistic child , we do not want our toys to be arranged in other ways. We scream and cry when somebody tries to do that.
Is the ego’s inability to let go.

We say we are awake and aware…but in reality most of us got stuck in a bigger bubble than the people we call sheeple .
From this energetic level we give advice to others and we confront users with different values. We appear to be humble and we wear that mask , but deep inside the ego knows better.

To all this add the forum addiction phenomenon . At some point we wanted to grow…but now posting is more like a social venue. We have a circle of friends and we pretty much post the same things over and over…
I think I can do more in my life and for this forum . A lot more. I think you guys can do a lot better too.

There is an enormous amount of truth in this post Cristian.
In the words of Ramana Maharshi--- "The world you are trying to save does not even exist"

Chris

[donk]

Who, me?? I thought that's what we all came for? I get more than my money's worth

I'll try to be more transparent, and post less silly stuff. (But ya gotta laugh sometimes..."to keep from crying, so much going on, people killin' people dyin' " -Qtip)

Like Ferris Bueller said "life moves pretty fast, if you don't stop and look around once in awhile, you could miss it"

[bennycog]

I think to come on this forum you should not expect to be on the same page with all others in respect of your own feelings and inner knowing.
You do need to display your thoughts and feelings to discover who else can progress you through what your ultimate goal is.

I am not coming here to judge or be judged. This does not include challenging peoples conceptions, because both parties learn this way as long as the challenging is kept close to neutral. I am on a journey for the most peaceful way to exist in a world that is turbulent.

[Christine]

Thank you Cristian.... when I read what you wrote the first thing that came to my mind was - Wow! What can I do to improve, expand, know myself. And in all self honesty I ask myself how do I participate in the hidden forum. Twinge of something I need to look at.

For me what you are speaking of isn't about our differences, it is about how we handle our differences. Our diversity continues to be our strength.

And I am very sensitive to the underlying current that sneaks its way into some threads, some posts and some hearts. It is the unseen but sensed smoke that obscures or twists intent and tells one person to see the devil in another. It is disruptive and divisive. It has an agenda... we are all aware of it. Your post is asking us to consider how we deal with this, and eradicate it?

A good argument and clearing the air, an impassioned plea, a mistake of judgement doesn't carry this marker. It is something else all together and only one can know that themselves.

I hear what you are saying as a call to self reflection... and a call to positive action.

Posted by Cristian (here)
It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.

Helen Keller


I think you guys have seen the hidden forum.

Never mind what threads users start or what they post. I’m talking about the energy behind every user. You guys can see that right?

Each and one of us is a mix of hope, fear, pain, joy…. To that we add experience and determination. We also add ego and the desire to preserve the status quo.

Most of us have our toys lined up in order ,and much like an autistic child , we do not want our toys to be arranged in other ways. We scream and cry when somebody tries to do that.
Is the ego’s inability to let go.

We say we are awake and aware…but in reality most of us got stuck in a bigger bubble than the people we call sheeple .
From this energetic level we give advice to others and we confront users with different values. We appear to be humble and we wear that mask , but deep inside the ego knows better.

To all this add the forum addiction phenomenon . At some point we wanted to grow…but now posting is more like a social venue. We have a circle of friends and we pretty much post the same things over and over…
I think I can do more in my life and for this forum . A lot more. I think you guys can do a lot better too.

[RunningDeer]

These days, the times between posting and not posting come faster and faster. “Why and how come you want to post that?” I asked myself.

I grow tired of my own voice and word-speak. See! I’ve already posted that, too!

Which is why I’ve got my cave stocked with blue corn chips, avocados, and chocolate chip cookies.

The sign outside my door: "Inner journey time. I’ll be back..."

[Agape]

Posted by Cristian (here)
It is wonderful how much time good people spend fighting the devil. If they would only expend the same amount of energy loving their fellow men, the devil would die in his own tracks of ennui.

Helen Keller


I think you guys have seen the hidden forum.

Never mind what threads users start or what they post. I’m talking about the energy behind every user. You guys can see that right?

Each and one of us is a mix of hope, fear, pain, joy…. To that we add experience and determination. We also add ego and the desire to preserve the status quo.

Most of us have our toys lined up in order ,and much like an autistic child , we do not want our toys to be arranged in other ways. We scream and cry when somebody tries to do that.
Is the ego’s inability to let go.

We say we are awake and aware…but in reality most of us got stuck in a bigger bubble than the people we call sheeple .
From this energetic level we give advice to others and we confront users with different values. We appear to be humble and we wear that mask , but deep inside the ego knows better.

To all this add the forum addiction phenomenon . At some point we wanted to grow…but now posting is more like a social venue. We have a circle of friends and we pretty much post the same things over and over…
I think I can do more in my life and for this forum . A lot more. I think you guys can do a lot better too.

It's alright . At least as far as I'm concerned and those of us who live to our true self , I hate this world when it becomes so shallow . Guess you too..

The right for Privacy and Dignity are essential part of our ancient heritage. As advanced Beings, we've always respected our privacy as sacred .

These 'community models' attempted in different versions, in different parts of human history , based on 'let us live as enlightened collective, by transparent rules' always failed ,
whether it was 'communism' , 'kibbutzim', SciOrg , or various countless religious communities based on building the principle of 'blameless society' .

Firstly, 'enlightened society' has to consist of 'enlightened individuals' and to be so 'enlightened' takes not only life work , but self-less support of the society wanting you to be enlightened for them .
That's why 'communities' exist after all, they are sort of nursery schools for future individualities .

Else than that, a model based on artificial rules, follow-ship, discipline imposed from outside, constant peer pressure, competition , and clear-like-transparency model .. more often result in sterile, mind controlled society that feels weird to everyone at the end .
It actually, closely, resembles making of some 'alien species' ( but not our own predecessors ) and that's what it is.

I've been discussing the same points with friends ( in private ) many times , the influence of various 'ET groups' on formation of 'religious societies' on Earth.
The 'religions' and their methods differ, the 'model' is almost the same .
If the 'model' succeeds ( it never does at the end ) , there will be large parts of human society on Earth getting ''what they wanted'' , living very organised, perhaps even high standard life style, in own pure ecosystems,

their emotions will be reduced to minimal action-reaction model to avoid fights and arguments and dramas , this shall be achieved by various methods, raging from purely psychological - counselling, meditation, therapeutic models to organic ones - brain centres and functions will be monitorable , influenceable by various means.

The urge to procreate will be likewise reduced to minimum , as will be the attachment to this physical body, the body will be seen as 'precious vessel' for accomplishing tasks but the fact that it's mortal won't longer be an emotional issue .

Everyone/thing will serve the needs of collective rather than one owns , which is the credo and long standing motive of every society based on model on 'functioning , advanced society' ( mostly alien ).

On the Earth , it does not work in practise for long. Always , fortunately or not, someone finds out earlier than the goal is accomplished in long run.


Here I stop . Helping each other means healing the whole. There is no 'en mass enlightenment' , such 'en mass enlightenment ' is a dream of many world leaders, cult leaders, religious prophets, new age icons and whom else, immature dream that we can get 'everyone' sorted without them needing to go through it all .
Immature I say because it's always been here .. thousands and millions years ago and you still don't have patience . You still don't get feeling for every individual, time for every member of the community , and their respective paths.

If you are angry with other and despise sorting out individual problems, I suggest , dreaming of 'advanced society' is rather immature .

It's like wanting to weave a sweater but not having patience for individual knots.

[jagman]

What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done,
and there is nothing new under the sun. -Solomon

[Sidney]

In a world where so much does not make sense, its easy to want to spend a substantial amount of time in a place where there are intelligent people having intelligent discussions, and together solving the many mysteries of the universe. I see nothing wrong with that, unless of course you are not fulfilling the other obligations in your life. Then, one should consider scaling back.

[giovonni]

Thanks ... But i will stay till the lights are Turned Off ...

[Mark]

I think the hidden forum is stratified in bands of energetic resonance. Those who resonate to the same vibratory frequency share the same output.

I do university seminar boats, tours, freshman who come to the lake to learn about the archaeology, history, hydrology, geology. Well, they really come because it is a day out of class but that's what they get, which is much more than they bargained for. Yesterday, in a group of about 18 kids there were 5 at the front whose vibratory resonance affected the entire boat. They were rich, well-spoken, well-dressed and obviously fraternity and sorority kids. At the same time, they were rude, sarcastic, jaded and oblivious and their lack of awareness in regards to how their backbiting comments, snipes and sarcasm were affecting the willingness of everybody else on the boat to participate was something I realized I would have to address if this was going to be an enjoyable learning experience for everyone aboard.

These bands of resonance don't always encompass the full capacity of the individual who expresses them, as vibration can be raised or lowered by thought. By keeping my vibration high and engaging these kids repeatedly, raising them above the lower chakra sniping that they engaged each other with, even there, on the boat, I was able to bring them out of that space, for that time, and release the child within them as they gazed down into the glass-bottom boat or around them at the natural scenery in rapt wonder. Their inter-group sniping lessened as the tour progressed and the need for them to express their cynical sides quieted in response to the pristine natural beauty of the lake and the majestic history of its archaeological record.

Attempts to "raise the frequency" of a space are often met with resistance and that is natural. But not inevitable or invariable. Rhythm and polarity are very real principles, but higher law does mitigate lower law in some cases. That resistance can be eased and even banished for a space of time if the overall will of the collective desires it to be so. For an individual, it is a difficult and draining job, but once the frequency fence has been breached, and inroads have been made into the lower vibratory states of mind and being, shifting it out for a time is possible.

The hidden forum, the presumption of shared energetic valuation, exists, but it is not a fortress, impervious to outside forces. Since we are multidimensional entities, for many of us capable of insight beyond the limitations of prescribed ways of being, moving between levels of frequency resonation is moving between the different sub-forums, engaging here and there according to our ability to "vibe" with those at each different space of existence.

As we are all different, not all have the same capacity for this resonance, or empathy. And that, in and of itself, is another frequency grade, or sub-forum member grouping. The cacophonous din that can be raised when different vibes collide is an opportunity for shifting on the parts of all involved, either to a higher or lower frequency expression.

Our individual propensity toward either shifting up or down over time is often very clear and indicative of who are at our very cores. Among such company as this, the hidden forum is not so hidden.

Just unremarked upon publicly, I'd think. For the most part.

[giovonni]

Well Said Rahkyt

i have many acquaintances who were original members here ... who have choose not to participate anymore on this forum ... But i still get lots of inquiries and comments from them in regards to post and threads here ...

Which speaks volumes about anyone moving anywhere ... holding space on this plane is a full contact sport so to speak!

[greybeard]

Many members are no longer with us as said by Gio but I suspect its like the class of####.
They will always feel part of the Avalon that they helped to create.
The original Avalon is still accessible here http://projectavalon.net/forum/
Threads: 18,005, Posts: 250,908, Members: 6,378
Some of the members from that time are still here.

Chris

Ps I looked and I joined the original Avalon September 2008.

[Mark]

Posted by giovonni (here)
Which speaks volumes about anyone moving anywhere ... holding space on this plane is a full contact sport so to speak!

This is interesting. Yes. I would agree. "Full contact sport". It is difficult to just "shut down" a form of interaction because of a simple choice, even if augmented by emotions and, especially, if augmented by fleeting and ephemerally-held states, like non-abiding anger, embarrassment, disappointment that gives way to a more general clarity of thought, or, a return to the senses.

I suppose for most people there is a base resonation, a frequency that they hold most often, that changes when fundamental shifts occur in consciousness, either toward the positive or negative. The "full contact" aspect of it is where it gets interesting, in the importance of these interactions between people of similar as well as varying frequencies. They can cause profound shifts, or even reinforce the base frequency, depending upon where that may be.

[Sith73]

The key is to awaken each others consciousness. We all learn from each other as we are all immortal beings here trying to figure out what the hell is going on and giving our opinions and insights on the many topics at hand.

[chocolate]

Good post, Cristian,
But I have to agree to disagree ( to a certain extend ).
( I do realize this thread is a bit old, but it still exists, so let me use the opportunity here )

It may come as surprise -- a little -- to some, but I just never saw myself as one labeling people as 'sheeple'. May be, the ones who use those labels can take a good look at themselves, and their posts? Perhaps?
Neither I am all that inclined to be a part of a group phenomenon.

The hidden forum is what happens in all human life in general, written or otherwise, and it is up to everyone to decide if 'reading' the energy behind certain posts/ people/ evens/ intentions seems something worth doing.
If one is strong enough, balanced enough and with the necessary ethics to handle some -- possibly difficult to handle -- truths and human interactions, one can choose one's approach based on one's inner-standing, but I definitely don't subscribe under the notion that everyone is in a desperate need of improving one's behavior, or posting habits for the sake of someone else's assumptions and generalizations. That would only imply that one has quote a lot of judgement -- about himself, about others, etc. ( or was it the term 'ego' I had to use here? )

As to clinging to the specific order of our toys, as an autistic person I can say -- mildly autistic perhaps -- that all toys can be arranged and re-arranged in any and every specific order. One just has to readjust one's viewpoint slightly to accommodate for the new situation.
I don't see this connected to an 'ego' -- this particular forum made me dislike that word for some reason -- but rather to the inability of people to change and adapt, something that is an innate ability, or comes after some good practice and realizing the need for it. What I mean here is that for as long as people don't spend their time looking only at one direction, and expecting the ball to always appear in that particular direction, the game can go on. And one needs to learn to be flexible and the feet to be always prepared for a move ( a bit of a volleyball slang, I am afraid ). So, no, I don't really need to use the word ego here, but I do see people need to engage in some sport activity more often. It can give them a lot of opportunity to see people and spirituality in a *slightly* different light. Not to mention one can actually start respecting and appreciate -- love -- the follow human being much more than if one is just sitting in the audience hoping to 'get' the trill of the game.

So all in all, without any spiritual innuendo, I think your OP it is a good one, but may be not.

If you empty it from preconceived assumptions, may be I will rearrange my toys for you myself.

I hope you can 'read' -- or 'see' -- the 'energies' behind my post in an unbiased way, hopefully.

[donk]

Synchronistic, this thread, popping up again...I was just contemplating expectations, and counseled a friend that they (expectations) are the root of most "problems".

"Lining up your toys" can be serious business, it can be just plain fun, it can be just killing time, distracting ourselves, channeling energy into something other than our responsibilities, it can even actually be our self-appointed responsibility...it can always appear identical to what's been done before, but is always slightly different (if not new)

...perspectives and expectations, it serves me well to keep both in mind, when determining what is the purpose of my presence