In the Interest of Project Avalon

[Shezbeth]

I post this thread as an appeal to Members, Greeters, Moderators, Administrators, and of course Bill - the man himself. I would appreciate participation and input as regards various efforts to be both of service to the forum participants in particular (whether posting/responding) and the forum in general. To do so, I must establish a few items that are relevant to the inquiry.

1. I recognize and acknowledge the terms and conditions of the forum as a given requisite agreement from which participation is an afforded privilege. Participation is not a 'given right'.

2. I recognize the 'sensitive' nature of much of the information that is openly and freely discussed, in that the information is/would be preferred to remain hidden by one or more parties, entities, agencies, and groups. There are those who would prefer that things were not posted/known.

3. In recognizing the various aforementioned who/that have a vested interest in the maintenance of secrecy to the information contained, I recognize numerous methods by which such agencies et al could/would operate to maintain the control of the information. There are a variety of known ways to prevent posting/discussing.

4. I recognize that I and other participants at Avalon - showing somewhat consistent intuition and recognition of patterns and themes - will sometimes stumble across activity that 'raises red flags' and otherwise allude to the possibility of conscious and/or manipulated adherence to practices by which information can be perpetually and increasingly controlled and hidden. Participants can often catch wind or hints of non-conducive behavior.

5. I recognize that there are numerous methods by which an individual can be tapped, manipulated, or directed to unconsciously participate in the suppression of information or the progression of understanding entirely outside their knowledge, awareness, or intent, especially in recognition of the numerous advancements in mind control and conscious redirection that have been developed and utilized by agenda-driven agencies. There may be those who are assisting in #'s 3 & 4 without their knowledge or consent.

Now to the inquiry:

What - if any - advice can be given regarding an emergent/progressive/proactive strategy toward identification of elements and participation in/around Avalon that might be operating A. well within the terms and conditions and B. outside the interests of open discussion, interaction, and general gravitation toward increasing levels of either truth or the pursuit of?

For simple (and non-exhaustive) reference:

Barry King/Spirit Wolf's whistleblowing videos thread.

The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

I recognize this information/examples is/are not new, I am simply utilizing it as an indicative/corroborative resource.

I further recognize that the outright elimination of any/all such participation as indicated in the reference is either impossible and/or improbable without eliminating active, legitimate, and sincere participation. Additionally, I recognize that the Moderators and Administrators have very busy lives above and beyond their volunteered participation in/around Avalon. It is not my interest to further encumber or generate obstacle for the aforementioned, rather I would prefer to do the opposite if at all possible.

In illustration: Let us say that one or more members observe, perceive, or detect evidence/indication of active participation/perpetuation of a 'known' Psyop. This example assumes that the individual(s) in question cannot definitively state that the member(s) are participating in a Psyop (knowingly or unknowingly), but that there is an observable trend and course that 'just so happens' to lead in such a direction to the point that one or more 'hackles rise'.

While an individual participant is entitled to their opinion and expressions, there comes a point at which such opinions and expressions trend toward opposition to the spirit - if not the letter - of the expressed purpose of this forum. To this I am equally culpable as only I can be truly aware of the veracity and/or sincerity of my own participation, and those outside of me are limited to observing my expressions and consistencies of behavior.

What prescriptions would be made to respond to this perception of potential non-conducivity? I recognize there is the 'Report Post' option available; Is that specific to the post, or can it be used on a more general basis to indicate non-conducive trends in behavior and purpose? Beyond notifying Mods/Admins, is there a preferable/advisable strategy by which individuals can bring attention to the matter in a more public manner?

Thank you for any and all who take the time to consider and/or respond to this request.

[spiritguide]

Avalon is protected and the mods are well trained to handle any and all situations. IMHO

Peace!

[Shezbeth]

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Avalon is protected and the mods are well trained to handle any and all situations. IMHO

Thank you for opining so. Are you suggesting I disregard my concerns?

I would appreciate participation and input as regards various efforts to be both of service to the forum participants in particular (whether posting/responding) and the forum in general.

[truth4me]

I firmly believe all sites are watched so to speak.....

[spiritguide]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Avalon is protected and the mods are well trained to handle any and all situations. IMHO

Thank you for opining so. Are you suggesting I disregard my concerns?

I would appreciate participation and input as regards various efforts to be both of service to the forum participants in particular (whether posting/responding) and the forum in general.

Not suggesting you disregard anything just stating status quo. I believe Avalon has a moderator training program, and all you need to do is apply to the administration to be accepted.

Peace!

[Shezbeth]

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Not suggesting you disregard anything just stating status quo. I believe Avalon has a moderator training program, and all you need to do is apply to the administration to be accepted.

Would I be correct in interpreting your advice to be "If there is concern and/or in response to a concern, the recourse (beyond simple post reporting) would be to apply to administrate"? Please understand, I am not only addressing my own perceptions and considerations, but any/all who potentially share/observe similar phenomenon. Applying to administrate every time one observes behavior that might suggest something might be awry does not strike me as a conducive response. Additionally, IMO there are many members and participants who are far more credible and consistent to do such work.

Simply, I don't feel that perception of possibility is a suitable qualifier for such application. I am seeking to find conducive methods by which one can make their time passively available to such admins/mods not to become one.

I appreciate your response and participation, but must confess my own inability to find a constructive direction derived from your input.

[Flash]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Posted by spiritguide (here)
Avalon is protected and the mods are well trained to handle any and all situations. IMHO

Thank you for opining so. Are you suggesting I disregard my concerns?

I would appreciate participation and input as regards various efforts to be both of service to the forum participants in particular (whether posting/responding) and the forum in general.

yes disregard, just keep an open eye and communicate with the mods when necessary. We all do here.

[raregem]

Posted by Shezbeth (here)

Now to the inquiry:

What - if any - advice can be given regarding an emergent/progressive/proactive strategy toward identification of elements and participation in/around Avalon that might be operating A. well within the terms and conditions and B. outside the interests of open discussion, interaction, and general gravitation toward increasing levels of either truth or the pursuit of?

For simple (and non-exhaustive) reference:

Barry King/Spirit Wolf's whistleblowing videos thread.

The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

I recognize this information/examples is/are not new, I am simply utilizing it as an indicative/corroborative resource.

I further recognize that the outright elimination of any/all such participation as indicated in the reference is either impossible and/or improbable without eliminating active, legitimate, and sincere participation. Additionally, I recognize that the Moderators and Administrators have very busy lives above and beyond their volunteered participation in/around Avalon. It is not my interest to further encumber or generate obstacle for the aforementioned, rather I would prefer to do the opposite if at all possible.

In illustration: Let us say that one or more members observe, perceive, or detect evidence/indication of active participation/perpetuation of a 'known' Psyop. This example assumes that the individual(s) in question cannot definitively state that the member(s) are participating in a Psyop (knowingly or unknowingly), but that there is an observable trend and course that 'just so happens' to lead in such a direction to the point that one or more 'hackles rise'.

While an individual participant is entitled to their opinion and expressions, there comes a point at which such opinions and expressions trend toward opposition to the spirit - if not the letter - of the expressed purpose of this forum. To this I am equally culpable as only I can be truly aware of the veracity and/or sincerity of my own participation, and those outside of me are limited to observing my expressions and consistencies of behavior.

What prescriptions would be made to respond to this perception of potential non-conducivity? I recognize there is the 'Report Post' option available; Is that specific to the post, or can it be used on a more general basis to indicate non-conducive trends in behavior and purpose? Beyond notifying Mods/Admins, is there a preferable/advisable strategy by which individuals can bring attention to the matter in a more public manner?

Thank you for any and all who take the time to consider and/or respond to this request.

Please, rephrase your concern/question. I am unclear what is your specific purpose or intent to understanding .

I agree all forums in this caliber as PA have subterfuge and "spies".
I also agree PA is one of the best cared for (and STO) sites I have visited.

I think basically, we are all doing what we can to be as close to truth , understanding, acceptance as possible.
Through this self growth we are helping each other with our own personal understanding. Eventually, we just might all get there.
Until then we learn to use discernment regarding subterfuge. To the best of our abilities. I do not think I can answer your concern any better than this.
Thank you for making a detailed and sincere , thought -provoking question for us. It is appreciated even if I do not completely understand----as of yet.... :-)

[Shezbeth]

Posted by raregem (here)
Please, rephrase your concern/question. I am unclear what is your specific purpose or intent to understanding .

Gladly. I apologize and recognize that my attempts to thoroughly explain things can and often do make them more complicated than necessary. The long and short of it is:

Is there a more pro-active method by which members can discourage entity/agency manipulation/contamination of the pursuit of the core intent of the forum - above and beyond Reporting Posts and PM'ing Greeters, Mods, and Admins, - or is that the preferred method of dealing with such potential?

[Dennis Leahy]

If you believe you see a psyop in progress, I recommend contacting Bill and the mods. Give concise, succinct info pointing to or displaying the behavior. Bill and the admins (Paul and Ilie) are especially attuned to it (all have been in the moderation/admin role the longest, and Bill has a developed 6th sense for it from his work and study.)

Now, on the issue of secrecy: no such thing exists. At least, not from the NSA and other alphabet agencies that we may not even know the acronyms. They have utter and complete access to every keystroke, every breath you take into a phone, every Skype conversation. You may want to mess with them and encrypt your transmissions, but if it is commercially available encryption software, my personal bet is that they can decrypt it. (I may be wrong about that and giving them more power than they actually have.)

This is something I had to face as I was assembling and editing the pieces and parts of The Reset Button document, and in the larger sense, the possibility of a "Reset Button Movement." I knew that any strategy had to be so brilliant that it could be announced in the Oval Office, CIA and NSA headquarters, and the boardrooms of the global bankers and corporate bigwigs - and still work. I assume there is no stealth (for us ordinary folks, that is. The Malevolent Ones can probably send stealth messages to one another and keep eyes they don't want from seeing/reading.)

There is an axiom about being protected by disclosure. Once you have blurted out EVERYTHING, and they are sure there in no more information "bombs" waiting to be dropped, then the only reason they have to kill you is spite or to try to scare any other potential whistleblowers from coming forward. The US government (especially under the Obamanator), has been quite harsh with whistleblowers, so if I had damaging info, I'd probably disclose it all, but maybe by sending it in plain envelopes, by mail, to 100 alternative journalists.

Dennis

[jagman]

You know what has 2 thumbs and who sniffed the last known spy out?
Me... lol and I did it by using simple observational skills.

[rgray222]

When we try to limit speech or search out the moles we walk a fine line between doing the right thing and censorship!

Everyone has an opinion and the guy screaming for censorship may be the next guy to have his ideas cut off.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

which PA user said they thought I was a disinformation agent once? lol

or something like that??

p.s. i'm lucky when i remember ANY information lol

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by spiritguide (here)
I believe Avalon has a moderator training program, and all you need to do is apply to the administration to be accepted.

The training is quite informal, "on the job" training.

Moderators become so by invitation only.

When we notice someone that Bill and all the current moderators figure would be a valued addition to the team, and if we figure it would be desirable to increase the size of the mod team, then we extend an invitation to that person to join us. Some say yes, some say no, and some say yes but then change their mind later on, perhaps a day later, perhaps years later.

[turiya]

Speaking about Moderators & the moderating system...

And I know this will not be well received, here - by moderators in particular.
But as for the moderating system, my suggestion, as I have previously mentioned to Bill, is that the best moderation system that I have come across is one whereby nobody knows who the moderators are!

This would include the entire moderating team not knowing who each of the other moderators are (with the exception of Bill, of course, and/or the head administrator). This would dispense with cronyism, the stalking of certain members that appear to have non status quo view. It would help in the dissolution of potential inner circle power plays (ganging up) over other certain members, elimination of the "blind eye" mentality that seems to pervade the forum, for example, I've noticed that its okay for some members to get away with a certain degree of intimidation, slander, conflict-inciting commentary towards another (which tends to be overlooked), while moving to delete the entire post of others that would tend to rebut the said intimidation, slander or conflict provoking cut.

And also, not to overlook, the reprimanding of some that are considered to make derogatory comments towards another when they haven't said anything to anyone in particular, or are merely placing a joke that is to be read by others when nobody else has even complained about it, except for the moderator.

I would also have to add that the moderating system at present fails to allow members that have a disagreement with another to work out their differences in a natural way over time. Instead, they are told to stop communicating with the person altogether, or told to leave the person alone, and/or given a holiday at the discernment of the moderator according to an interpreted intent that may not be correct.

In the interest of Project Avalon,
I'm just saying... as it seems the lines are open.
turiya

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Now, on the issue of secrecy: no such thing exists. At least, not from the NSA and other alphabet agencies that we may not even know the acronyms. They have utter and complete access to every keystroke, every breath you take into a phone, every Skype conversation. You may want to mess with them and encrypt your transmissions, but if it is commercially available encryption software, my personal bet is that they can decrypt it. (I may be wrong about that and giving them more power than they actually have.)

They might even work harder to intercept when communications are encrypted( red flag, something worthwhile is prolly in there), damn Sudoku wizards!

[Agape]

Shezbeth ,

I may take my opinion on this all further than intended by you perhaps ... and somewhere to the 'Spiritual Corner' but believe it's not unbased , I've been witness to many of small and big forum 'wars' and 'psyops' actions since being member of any forum altogether and it's due to Bills and the moderator teams kindness that I'm still here .. because I'm not a 'groupie' and dislike arguments , and social games of one against the other .
I believe that Bill and the team intend to keep the forum clean , at least as much as possible .
You're very correct in that the amount of sensitive information discussed here is extraordinary as are many individuals who participate .

But consider this please ... first of all ... every subversive operation starts with rising suspicions and calling people to 'take sides' .

The potential that this may occur on forum even partially devoted to conspiracy theories and other more less controversial subjects is far beyond average . That's why , I believe , diversity of opinion is not only tolerated but supported here and the criterium of being part of this community is your open mind .

If you are more devoted to one single stream of thought /faith / particular philosophy or interest ..and there are probably millions of such people on the internet , you can still be a member of PA but you will probably prefer to have also your own website , devoted entirely to your interest .

That's why .. I have been on high alerts each time a trend or a specific personality started to 'take over' the majority of collective efforts here ,
it happened good couple of times and I believe that Bill has learned from those occasions as well .

You may want to see this place as one big classroom . No one knows where it's all evolving , the internet as such is being one 'big psyop experiment' if you wish and look at it straight .
The only difference between 'teachers' and 'students' is that 'teachers' have spent more years at school , else than that they're all part of the school, part of the experiment .

You can choose to trust the teachers or you can choose to trust yourself, at anytime and it's nowhere in the rules that student can not be more right than his/her teacher . In fact, history would never move forwards if that was not the case .

But in case of organised classroom, of sorts, 'taking things to your hand' or encouraging others to do the same can end up in immeasurable chaos . It actually happens very easily and each time when people form a little group who suspect 'the other party' not being who they are ( whatever it means ) results in their little group leaving at the end ... sometimes with many others who happened to be taken to their side .

So again... every subversive action starts with .... rising suspicions ... and taking sides .

After groups and parties have been successfully condoned everyone else can be called to be part of the problem .

...

The solutions are about following ... extinguish the fire before it's huge . If you have substantiated suspicions about particular topic or a person being detrimental to workings of the forum, please rise your concerns with the Mod team .
Don't panic or cry 'wolf' unless you know what you're doing otherwise you end up in the perpetrators shoes yourself and will be blamed for causing discord .

Bill and the mods are trained by extensive life experience to handle situations that can be recognised .

In case you are the only one 'in the know' about something, it's your right and privilege if not duty to voice your concerns with the board in any manner you consider safe .

Imagine yourself in 'real whistleblower' shoes . This is not an advice or recommendation how to be someone. I advise being no one is probably the safest .

But in case you have substantial deal of sensitive information in your mind or hands , think clearly on what is the most responsible thing to do . There's hardly anyone who can openly and uniformly answer such question.


Try to 'know your neighbours' .. people who you meet here . If you want to know more about each other .. why not visit the people , read their historical posts and threads,
fear them less in result .
Fearing each other is the worst thing that can happen to you here . The second worst is being totally unconcerned about who the others are .


I hope this helps . I've noticed this thread .. last thing I noticed before falling on bed last night and curiously, I spent 40 minutes or restarting and adjusting my Safari browser and computer this morning, with all scripts being somehow distorted , something that does not commonly happen . But, I hope I can safely blame 'me and the aliens' . Weather conditions .

[AlaBil]

Try to 'know your neighbours' .. people who you meet here . If you want to know more about each other .. why not visit the people , read their historical posts and threads,
fear them less in result .
Fearing each other is the worst thing that can happen to you here . The second worst is being totally unconcerned about who the others are .

Agape... This is my "go to" technique when I am trying to determine how much energy to invest in a thread post and how to respond to it. It helps me to quickly see what other type of input this individual has added to the forum. I also tend to get to a point where there are posters who I pay particular attention as to how they react to the thread or topic. When their suspicion is up. mine goes up dramatically. All this helps me keep on track and try and not let alternative beliefs and/or "out of box" topics being immediately dismissed just because I was not raised with those thoughts or beliefs.

Beyond this I leave it up to the admins discretion. I have repeatedly seen them act with the "correct pace" and make the correct decision for this forum. Kudos to their work! Being a Greeter here I have a bit, although small, insight into the attention and effort that goes into making this place, the alternative site of choice. It is beyond question that it is the effort of Bill and the admin team he has assembled that makes this place special. Bill cares and is constantly striving to enhance our experience here. I see that almost daily.

[sirdipswitch]

Well my goodness, OP, you sound like an Attorney, are you? Or just tryin to stir up a fuss over nothin? Seems to me that if you wanna keep somethin secret, ya shouldn't put it on the Internet, much less, a forum, where everyone and his brother have access to discus it. I think... this forum has ALL the rest ofem beat hands down... on every point. yep... do..cc

GREAT JOB... BILL and MODS!!!!!! don't pay this no nevermind, and we-all will be just fine. chuckle chuckle.

[Hervé]

Here is an example of someone trying to prevent criticisms of his advertising campaign:

Implications Posting #20:

The contemporary practice that utilizes the masses themselves to act as censors of dissenting information was initiated in the 1950s.

Typically, individuals (called “seeders”) are strategically placed in any audience listening to a potentially threatening alternate information source.

The job of seeders is to consistently challenge the purpose and accuracy of the information source (a process known as “cheerleading”) until authentic and well-meaning members of the audience begin to repeat the challenges by themselves.

The strategically placed individuals are then withdrawn, leaving no evidence of mass manipulation.

Honest critics in the audience vehemently deny the existence of strategic attacks, unwittingly covering the tracks of the seeders.


(see post # 916 in the Courtney Brown Announcement for February (now March) 2014 thread)

... which he has been using both ways... to prevent criticisms and to foster criticisms of others or to send others' feats into oblivion (e.g. Ingo Swann)... pulling the blanket to himself.

Hence my own point of view on that particular piece:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Implications Posting #20:

[...]
.... The job of seeders is to consistently challenge the purpose and accuracy of the information source (a process known as “cheerleading”) until authentic and well-meaning members of the audience begin to repeat the challenges by themselves.

[...]

Aren't we all "seeders" for truth against the lies perpetuated by "science," MSM, politics, economy, religions, genetics, etc...