Kerry Cassidy, June 2011: WINGMAKERS: James Releases Interview #5

[Limor Wolf]

Originally posted by Carmody:" Dimensionally needing gold, that is a new angle for me. Never thought of it that way."

Aurum Metallicum is a homeopathic gold remady known to be quite effective with a variety of human physical and mental ailments, but it's most interesting use may be against pulses that comes from the outside.. a shield. Although not herbal in nature but mineral, this extract seems to work 'dimensionally' as most other homeopathic remadies do, which is quite sensible when thinking about us as dimensional beings.

http://www.britishhomeopathic.org/bh...um-metallicum/

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I would like to correct my previous recommendation on Aurum Metalicum. It is quite possible that the gold essence may be used as a conductor in the body and not as a shield as initially believed, This is also supported by the findings of Carolyn Helmet and Dan Duval in their work and research on entities and their attachment to the body



I didn't have the chance yet to listen to this last interview of the Wingmakers, but I wonder what are your thoughts about Al Bielek, who was supposedly a part of the 'Philadelphia experiment' and time travel psy ops. Being transported to the future to the 28 century on planet earth he specifically mentions the Wingmakers as the group that designed and built the world systems and was involved in this future society, which amounted to 500 million world population.
(From 36:00 onwards, also from 39:20 minute, but listening to the whole interview and understanding the exact context is most recommended)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=elOAQX4EPSc

[Carmody]

The trick, of course, is what exactly does gold look like, what is it's purpose, when it's 'ass end' is seen (another angle of view) as a vortex point where dimensions meet, what does that 'ass end' look like when it is seen from any given other side?

Or is that even relevant, gold (and all other 'things') possibly being a localized creation of time/space and quantum function? For example, when one skips out of time, do they automatically make the entire frame of reference package obsolete? The answer appears to be yes, the entire frame of reference package goes away. we still see it through our 'view' of the human avatar and since the reference package is irrelevant, we get into 'placing ideals on the swirling mess', as it were. Remnants of avatar function fumbling about, attempting to make sense of data it was not designed to make sense of.

If the data cannot be pulled into the avatar system (which is on it's own is an unreachable alien non-thought for the avatar), then the avatar must change, in order to make sense of the data. After all, the data won't be changing (which is also falsely conclusive as a thought). Even the idea of logic tends to fumble about in this one. No reference means no reference, and falsely adding a known one in order to ruminate and quantify is not the solution either.

The only thing that MIGHT save us in this, is the idea of differential being key to the rise of consciousness. (If everything is the same, then everything is nothing) Which is root fundamental in level. To go to ground, as it were.

Intelligence or more properly... consciousness... can be defined as complexity in differential. If one adds or subtracts from this central point, via the creation of subjective conditions, then the breakdown begins. Consciousness begins in the highly differentiated frame, and expands to it's utmost in such a frame. Secondary conditions begin the process of defeating the potentials in such an environment.

Order begets intelligence, but order also defeats range of potential in consciousness - by definition.

The harder a problem to solve, the greater or deeper the error in the formulation of the question.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vgAnMSnTZXA

[Carmody]

When the dominoes fall, when one goes through their series of thoughts and considerations... the end point is:

Every structured thought, is a defeat of consciousness. One may create intelligence, but in the same moment..one defeats range of consciousness, via the creation or co-joining with order. Ultimately: Science kills. Philosophy kills. Odd isn't it?

The unconscious form of avatar thought, or avatar order..instinct. Sub-consciousness, unconsciousness. Slavery to the commands of the body, for consciousness....is the worst of all. To move in that direction or to remain in it...is death or stilling of all forms of potential.

As you can hopefully see, logic walks a pretty fine line. One is left with the conclusion that logic must understand that it is inherently dead. Ouch.

Which takes us full circle, back to the origin point, mediation. Stilling of the mind-construct. Attempts to define in meditation. which one can then see is Exactly contrary to consciousness.

To increase consciousness, is to define absolutely nothing - in the act of mediation.

From that slowly building increase in scope of lack of definition, the increase in capacity to hold the 'void' so to speak... comes the capacity to increase intelligence.

[onawah]

Wow! Thanks Limor. I had never heard of anything verifying that the Wingmakers material is not fiction, though my feeling was that it was at least based on fact.
That is remarkable, especially coming from someone like Al Bielek.

Posted by Limor (here)

Originally posted by Carmody:" Dimensionally needing gold, that is a new angle for me. Never thought of it that way."

Aurum Metallicum is a homeopathic gold remady known to be quite effective with a variety of human physical and mental ailments, but it's most interesting use may be against pulses that comes from the outside.. a shield. Although not herbal in nature but mineral, this extract seems to work 'dimensionally' as most other homeopathic remadies do, which is quite sensible when thinking about us as dimensional beings.

http://www.britishhomeopathic.org/bh...um-metallicum/

I didn't have the chance yet to listen to this last interview of the Wingmakers, but I wonder what are your thoughts about Al Bielek, who was supposedly a part of the 'Philadelphia experiment' and time travel psy ops. Being transported to the future to the 28 century on planet earth he specifically mentions the Wingmakers as the group that designed and built the world systems and was involved in this future society, which amounted to 500 million world population.
(From 36:00 onwards, also from 39:20 minute, but listening to the whole interview and understanding the exact context is most recommended)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=elOAQX4EPSc

[CD7]

New website? Not familiar with this one....http://www.wingmakers.com/neruda4ex.html This is the site ive known to be the wingmakers website...no new interview or information there....

I guess they've set up new shop with thoughtcomputing.org?

[onawah]

So how does Al Bielek score on credibility?
I have certainly heard his name a lot, and have read about him, but haven't made a big study of his information.

Something I do not agree with is his assessment of socialism in the advanced society he claims to have visited.
His assessment, that people will only be creative and contributing if they are forced to, doesn't wash with me at all.
I think a society in which fear for one's very survival has been largely eliminated would, on the contrary, release huge stores of creativity and inspiration in human beings, as well as foster values such as cooperation, compassion and community spirit.

[Carmody]

What happens is that one is no longer in a hurry, and things are allowed to happen when the time is right for them. Creativity is it's own energy and it has no reason to be except when it desires to be expression.

When the 'life drive' (or enforced death march) is removed from that equation, things move at a much more sedate pace.

To live eternally or for a thousand years in a human avatar, means that I most definitely WOULD spend some 100 years like a lizard on a hot rock. (maybe in only 20-50 year spells, who knows. Things change)

Creativity may unfold, but a lot slower than you think. Plus... the need to incarnate, to my understanding..ends at an IQ of about 250. In a perfected 1000 year lifespan human avatar, you'd not need to do more than the one stint.

[Carmody]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
The same techniques can be applied to the creation of gold

Do you suspect that gold is something that the most powerful entities influencing humanity actually covet themselves, or is it more like our "Gods", something they find useful to get us to worship?

Not sure, no insight inside that part of the system. We get back to this issue of the gold vibrational frequency as a quantum element, meaning monatomic. One thing that is said in some areas of monatomic discussion, is that the consumption of the stone can lead to one's being stuck in a specific dimensional state. To not be able to return to source, or something similar to that.

A real world problem that can be defeated with such thinking as the combination of these techniques to increase efficiency (in hydrogen production), is the very real potential to increase quality of desalination of water. To move to new techniques of desalination, techniques of higher efficiency, lower costs, thus less starving people, less food shortages, and so on.

The problem is that the adoption of this technology will be strongly resisted, and in the meantime, getting it into the system should take the routes of least resistance.

If it is mentioned, someone will possibly begin the investigation and use some aspects to increase desalination efficiency. Avoid the battle and get it's kin into the system soonest. Something like ultrasonic assisted reverse osmosis.

science just said that this is the direction to go in:

Breaking up water: Controlling molecular vibrations to produce hydrogen

[RunningDeer]

UPDATE May, 18, 2014: None of the below links work now. I know they did because I downloaded the information. They now all redirect back the Wingmakers.com

I’m half way through the WingMakers: The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamission Neruda. I’ve not read the other four interviews, but plan to catch up. I've only listened to some video from YouTube several years ago.

For those like me that are unfamiliar with this work, the Fifth Interview was recorded on January 2, 1998 and only released on March 4, 2014, as per request.

Part of me wants to give specifics, but there is so much information that when taken out of context, it distorts the material. Some dovetails with other works we’ve read and shared from other sources.

I’ve added links below and a few passages from the Fifth Interview but even these are but a tiny, TINY snippet of what’s covered.

“…The functional implants of the human interface are perfectly integrated within the human vessel. They operate seamlessly. So seamlessly, we do not know that they are not us. We have no choice in a way. We think our thoughts and emotions are us, that this spacetime is what our thoughts and emotions exist in. Even the thought of a God, heaven, hell, soul, masters, all of these things, they’re part of the program. It is integrated in both the dimension of the earth plane and the after-life. The after-life is part of the deception.”

“…This was all part of the design, to create various religions and esoteric cults that would support a vast hierarchy and order the human species into master-student relationships, and then create a multi-leveled afterlife that would reward those who believed and were obedient to their god or masters."

“…You see, the whole principle that was behind this entire endeavor could be summed up in one word: separation. Everything exists in separation within the earth plane and its afterlife planes as well. But, according to the WingMakers, what is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness—not through the unconscious mind, which only links us in separation, but rather through the life essence that is us. And this life essence is sovereign and integral. It is I AM, WE ARE. No one is above, no one is below. No one is better, no one is lesser.”

“…Each person can step out of the illusion. There is no master here. No god is going to come down and make it happen for us. No ETs. No one. It is each of us. This is what is meant by I AM. I… it’s like One. One—me, and one—all of us unified. AM, meaning exist now. In this moment. Not in history or memory. Not in some future time or goal. Now!”

“…I’ve been told that there’re many resources that are being used to create the crack in the wall, and then, from the inside—that’s us, humanity—we’ll push the wall down collectively and walk out of this prison. We’re part of the crack.”


Main site - Scroll down half way and you’ll see all five on left side. The interviews are long. I cut and pasted each into a document format by clicking the “reader” button at the top right corner of my browser.

On the WingMakers site there are Interviews 1-4

Here’s pdf format for: Interviews 1-5 & Fifth Interview only

<3

[Delight]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)

For those like me that are unfamiliar with this work, the Fifth Interview was recorded on January 2, 1998 and only released on March 4, 2014, as per request.

Thanks Paula,
In the last several years, i did not have any firm handle of my feeling for the Wingmakers. It did interest me but I found I could not sort out the "drama" of its "veracity". But the information on the heart was beautiful. Can't truth be found anywhere anyway? That is where I am now.

The document addresses so many issues PA members are looking at NOW. People from many stages of "awakening" on on PA from beginning stages of seeing the "manipulation" to interest in "what lies beyond and what is reality" past any aspect of the game. Presented in the parts I've read of the pdf is emphasis on 'sovereign integral" and a truth that despite everything, we have the power.

I liked the synchrony with all the teachings I appreciate...We have an appointment to meet infinite power and know our sovereign state beyond any interference. As we enter the heart space, we begin to experience the feel of oneself as the infinite power I am. Once we begin to deeply feel the "heart virtues" for self and for others we can then radiate these frequencies.

IMO there has been a major shift so this info would not have digested well for me in 1998.
One small sync..just this winter the "scientific" community is publishing about the holographic reality

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...lly-is-a-holo/

[Hervé]

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
[...]

“…The functional implants of the human interface are perfectly integrated within the human vessel. They operate seamlessly. So seamlessly, we do not know that they are not us. We have no choice in a way. We think our thoughts and emotions are us, that this spacetime is what our thoughts and emotions exist in. Even the thought of a God, heaven, hell, soul, masters, all of these things, they’re part of the program. It is integrated in both the dimension of the earth plane and the after-life. The after-life is part of the deception.”

[..]

<3

Thanks Paula!

I wasn't aware of that guy's knowledge/philosophy but I got a very similar point of view from a different source and practice I have been supporting in many of my posts... so did Bill

... will munch through those tomorrow...

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Delight (here)
I liked the synchrony with all the teachings I appreciate...We have an appointment to meet infinite power and know our sovereign state beyond any interference. As we enter the heart space, we begin to experience the feel of oneself as the infinite power I am. Once we begin to deeply feel the "heart virtues" for self and for others we can then radiate these frequencies.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...lly-is-a-holo/

Hi Delight,

Thanks for the article on, “The Universe Really Is a Hologram, According to New Simulations”. I'll check it out.

I’m about 80% through. It’s chock full of information. I’m taking notes and digesting a little at a time.

I’m lovin’ the confirmations on the ‘I am/We are’. And how to exit this holographic lock-down that I only learned of a couple of years ago.

I think 'Marduk dude' stuck me with an extra strength, straight-jacket implant. Either that or it’s gone haywire. Sure explains a lot. I’m raring to go, but haven’t figured where.

I listened to Dr. Neruda’s video about four years ago. I loved the wisdom shared, which is why I listened to so many. But, I was suspicious and judgy because I felt “no life spark”, but lots of Love stream. Huh? Emotional love vs. Love. (learning curve) After reading most of Interview #5, I understand where he comes from in terms of feelings, emotions, and heart. Though, I'm still sorting it out for myself.

<3

I’ll use the rest of the post to add some more snippets in case other are on the fence about reading.

Heart Virtues:

Dr. Neruda: “It’s not easy. The WingMakers write about the heart virtues as the behavioral construct for this time. How these words can be applied and lived. Not simply held in the head as a worthy concept.”

“Appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding and valor or courage. It is the combination of nowness—being in the now—and applying these words in our behaviors. It’s being impeccable in this practice.”

“…Each person can step out of the illusion. There is no master here. No god is going to come down and make it happen for us. No ETs. No one. It is each of us. This is what is meant by I AM. I… it’s like One. One—me, and one—all of us unified. AM, meaning exist now. In this moment. Not in history or memory. Not in some future time or goal. Now!”

On Feeling and Emotions:

“…The functional implants of the human interface are perfectly integrated within the human vessel. They operate seamlessly. So seamlessly, we do not know that they are not us. We have no choice in a way. We think our thoughts and emotions are us, that this spacetime is what our thoughts and emotions exist in. Even the thought of a God, heaven, hell, soul, masters, all of these things, they’re part of the program. It is integrated in both the dimension of the earth plane and the after-life. The after-life is part of the deception.”

“…This was all part of the design, to create various religions and esoteric cults that would support a vast hierarchy and order the human species into master-student relationships, and then create a multi-leveled afterlife that would reward those who believed and were obedient to their god or masters.

“You see, the whole principle that was behind this entire endeavor could be summed up in one word: separation. Everything exists in separation within the earth plane and its afterlife planes as well. But, according to the WingMakers, what is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness—not through the unconscious mind, which only links us in separation, but rather through the life essence that is us. And this life essence is sovereign and integral. It is I AM, WE ARE. No one is above, no one is below. No one is better, no one is lesser.”

“…Many of those who have come to earth as human teachers have tried to reveal how deep and broad and high this illusion has been constructed. It is as far as the edge of the universe and as close as your DNA. Everywhere in between is illusion. Jesus came to reveal much of this, but the writers of the Bible decided what would be acceptable within the paradigm of life as we know it.”

“…As for the existence of god, we, collectively, are the closest thing to god. We are. That’s the clear message of the WingMakers. There is a First Source, a center point in existence that created the framework of existence through sound—”

“…Once awakened as I AM WE ARE or the Sovereign Integral, a human being lives as an expression of this consciousness. According to the WingMakers, there are none who have achieved this at this time. It is, however, in our future.”

“There are many aspects to the afterlife. There is God, first and foremost. There is the Light of illumination. There is the universal spirit and individual soul. There is a hierarchy of angels and masters. There is the concept of karma and reincarnation or sin and salvation. The concept of heaven and hell. The concept of the chosen. The concept of an ascension path. The concept of the Book of Records or Akashic records. All of these concepts were designed into an upgrade of the human 2.0 interface. Certain human beings are programmed to find these concepts in their unconscious mind layer and share them. As a result, religions sprout. Philosophies rise sometimes in support of the religions, sometimes in contradiction. Esoteric cults rise. All the while the human being remains lost. It remains muddled in its illusion. Everything tied to an empty promise in a belief, and in all those beliefs, one thing remains constant: separation.

Sarah: “It’s so abstract. How does it help?”

Dr. Neruda: “Maybe it doesn’t. I don’t know. But the thing is, in order to change, in order to step out of this illusion, it requires each of us to wake up and stay awake. It’s not reading words that will change this; it’s the profound nature of new behaviors, because these behaviors signal that our consciousness layers are understood as separate from who we are. We have to operate as I AM WE ARE.”

Dr. Neruda: “Each individual being is responsible for this. God or Source Intelligence isn’t going to come down from the heavens and correct human faults or obstacles. Humans need to take responsibility for this—”Sarah: “But seriously, how? We’re wrapped in so many layers of deception—”Dr. Neruda: “It’s not easy. The WingMakers write about the heart virtues as the behavioral construct for this time. How these words can be applied and lived. Not simply held in the head as a worthy concept.”

Sarah: “I don’t think you’ve mentioned these before. What are they?”

Dr. Neruda: “Appreciation or gratitude, compassion, humility, forgiveness, understanding and valor or courage. It is the combination of nowness—being in the now—and applying these words in our behaviors. It’s being impeccable in this practice.”

Few More:

“The part of this new picture that is promising is that we exist infinitely despite the fact that we have been suppressed and enslaved. We also can play a role in supporting this redefinition of the human being through our thoughts and behaviors. And, maybe most importantly, we have the WingMakers—our future selves—providing us with evidence that I AM WE ARE prevailed.

“...Now, to answer your question, human beings, even those with Anunnaki DNA, can become self-realized of their true nature through a simple process. It doesn’t require that they meditate and pray all day or retreat to an ashram. The Sovereign Integral process becomes a natural part of the life expression of the individual. If enough human beings can embrace this process or something like it, the crack in the wall will expand, the wall will become less stable, and the world of separation, in its brittleness, will begin to crumble."

“...The life essence is what we have on our side. This is not a slingshot as you put it. It is the infinite force that powers every object in the universe. Life is inside us and it exists in one and only one state: equality and oneness. The entire hologram of deception, as created and curated by the Anunnaki and their cohorts, that is not life, it is the exemplar of separation. Life is truthful and authentic. Separation begets deception, unworthiness and fear.


“If enough human beings awaken, if we begin to realize what’s afoot, what plans are being made to further enslave us and ensure that we remain a part of the hologram of deception, life will move inside us and we can collectively stand up and stop this, but it has to be done in the right way, with honesty, forgiveness and compassion. The alternative to separation must be expressed in our movements and practices. We have to model these behaviors as a collective entity. That is the definition of The Grand Portal.”

[Cristobal]

--- 5th Neruda Interview (ePub & mobi) ---

I've quickly made ePub & mobi files of these newly released and stunning WingMakers Materials delivered on April 23th, 2014, because I think it useful and so easy and powerful to read on smartphones (ePub), or LCD tablets (ePub), or even better on e-ink tablets (ePub & mobi).

Enjoy !!!

5th Neruda Interview (ePub & mobi) :

http://www72.zippyshare.com/v/67538496/file.html




Post-Scriptum :

And, last but not least,
I do think and see that,
"The Human Portal",
In this 5th Interview,
Is,
Indeed,
Inelia Benz.

I know it,
I see it.

What else ?

Best Regards.

[Hervé]

Well, I gave it a try but the following cacophonic dissonance was enough for me to quit:

Dr. Neruda from the ACIO (Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization) at the time, it was simply called the NSA Special Projects Laboratory and was an unacknowledged department of the NSA.

“My name is Dr. Neruda, and I have secret information about the future of humankind that proves the existence of time-travel technology.”

By the time he was seventeen he had left school and decided to pursue an internship at the ACIO […] he never pursued a formal degree at a University

If he didn't go to university how could he get a Dr. title? Unless it's an honorary one?

The alien race, which he called the Corteum, had infiltrated the ACIO in 1958.

These technologies—he claimed—were of extraterrestrial origin derived from a friendly source that had been visiting earth for thousands of years, but had arrangements with the ACIO dating from 1959 that were secret even from our government and its intelligence agencies.

The Corteum are still working with the ACIO to seed technologies on earth that are superior to our native technologies.

In exchange for these technologies, the Corteum were provided safe haven within the ACIO intelligence structure.

In other words, the Corteum were permitted access to all of the information systems of the ACIO, which are considerable according to Dr. Neruda. They were also able to use the facilities of the ACIO including their laboratories, considerable land holdings, and scientific brainpower. This unfettered access to ACIO intelligence provided the Corteum leaders with insight into the structure of world government, where the power centers were, who the real leaders were, and how critical decisions were made for the world’s people.

... so, these dudes have been in and around Earth for a very long time with superior advanced techologies and super IQ on steroids and yet they need info on how governments on Earth function, etc...

... all I can say is "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts!"

[Cristobal]

--- Stories.... ---

You'll find all the explanations in the 5th Neruda Interview.....

[RunningDeer]

No matter if the WingMakers material is the real deal or not, I’ve awoken into a new reality. It’s triggered a conviction to streamline my purpose and to make wiser choices in the play of life. Whether it be implants or blind spots for behaviors and beliefs, I am here to shed light and override them.

I am responsible to live my Truth each Now. That Truth is ‘Do No Harm’, which includes to myself. Love drives.

Part of the mission is to develop and to finely tune the tools that align the physical vehicle with the higher that I Am. Tools such as stillness, awareness, and follow through action. Trust and the belief in the discovery and use of the higher senses that continue to avail. These tools assist in busting through this pretend play existence.

The more I align to Truth as a natural process, the greater the frequency which in turn brings forth aspects that I’ve yet to discover.

Oh, that IS an exciting ride!

RunningDeer <3

[Cristobal]

--- "Behavioral Wisdom" on WingMakers Blog ---

" The social program must be destroyed in order to activate people to the real value of their infinite selves." (James Mahu)

Indeed, there is no one to convince or persuade of anything, since we are Sovereign Entity journeying towards Sovereign Integral states of consciousness.

I'm so happy, because now we are entering in the heart of heart of the WingMakers data, which is about the Sovereign Integral process.

Look at this last paper from James Mahu on the WingMakers Blog, and enjoy :

http://thoughtcomputing.org/behavioral-wisdom/

[onawah]

Here is the link for the Audio of the phone interview from April, 2013 between James Mahu and Mark Kempel:
http://thoughtcomputing.org/wp-conte...ril%202013.mp3

[RunningDeer]

Posted by onawah (here)
Here is the link for the Audio of the phone interview from April, 2013 between James Mahu and Mark Kempel:
http://thoughtcomputing.org/wp-conte...ril%202013.mp3

Here's the transcript for April, 2013 interview with James Maku and Mark Kempel. It's a good interview. Thanks, Onawah.

Post #29 - UPDATE May, 18, 2014: None of the links work. I know they did because I downloaded the information from the post. They all redirect back the Wingmakers.com.

Anyone interested in this article please save. The audio is no longer available at the above link provided by Onawah.

[Feritciva]

This is one of the most important info i've seen in Avalon or any other alternative source. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this extremely important thread. This is like a glue that holds a lot other info together - as Gurdjieff, Castenada, gnostics, Sitchin, some channellings as The Nine etc. and also fills a lot of gaps.

I havent paid close attention to Wingmakers material before. After this 5th Interview, i think it is just time..