What is your view on the Roswell "aliens"?

[Eram]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
Just thought I would drop this in here for the record.
I do not comment much on ET stories...too much sentiment and imagination around to make even a dent...but I am quite convinced that Roswell was NOT an ET event but rather a Nazi event.
I know, I know...there are thousands of ideas and claims that seem so convincing to our ignorance, and we have been well and truly indoctrinated that Roswell was about ETs...but you should not underestimate the intelligence and motive of the American Military Industrial Complex...you may just have been duped, hook line and sinker, into believing a well orchestrated and fine example of mind control.

Take care
Ray

Hi Ray,

You're certainly not the first to say that it might be something more human related.
Would you care to elaborate a bit as to what you ideas and sources are?

Christian started an interesting thread some days ago, about a book that brings proof of the spin that they gave to the Dulce cattle mutilations and if that book is correct, it had everything to do with radiation experiments and nothing with underground gray bases. I'm becoming more and more convinced that some forces in the powers that control, use the ET spin for a lot of events that took place. And what an effective spin it has been.

I've seen a "UFO" once when I was about 6 years old and I have never been able to shake the feeling that this thing was human made. It was your regular disc shaped metallic coloured object, travelling at ridiculous speed above the clouds.
I pointed towards it and shouted:"Hey, there's a UFO" and lots of other people then saw it too. Only to commend on it that it was probably just some fireworks (above the clouds )! I think that this was the first time that I really became aware of the fact people see what they want to see regardless of the obvious truth.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Eram (here)

You're certainly not the first to say that it might be something more human related.
Would you care to elaborate a bit as to what you ideas and sources are?

Hi Eram
Now you've got me into a corner
First I need to point out were I am going here so I would offer 2 links just to get the ball rolling.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_865710.html

Then this audio interview:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z8LkJV7KATM

This all makes a lot more sense to me.

The other more important thing is the look of the ETs which they were supposed to have found at this site...They do not look like real ETs, which I have come across OB.
The classic 'Grey' ET as depicted by the stories we read, and the Hollywood pictures...is a myth and they do not exist in my experience...except in people's illusions...nor for that matter do Mantoids and other mythological looking ETs.

What most do not realise is that the shape and form we see in a human is the same basically throughout the cosmos when a certain level of consciousness is reached...this is to do with the ability to physically handle and manipulate objects.
Look at the difference between a primate and a human and think about it...so why would a highly advanced ET want to look like something out of a horror movie



What many people think is a UFO sighting in the sky is actually materialisation of entities and Beings from the Etheric World...this is known as etheric bleeding...just like you might see a fish jump out of the water, so too do things from the etheric dimension.
These entities use self created light bodies to travel around the astral world. All non earth linked entities, from higher dimensions, who manifest in the physical dimension do not have an organic body like we have...they have an aggregated matter body.

Thanks I will read Christian's thread.

Take care and much love
Ray

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...hat-connection

Cidersomerset found us some good stuff about this topic: http://www.thebyteshow.com/JosephPFarrell.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke

Allegedly an experiment carried out by Third Reich scientists working for the SS in a German facility known as Der Riese (“The Giant”)[5] near the Wenceslaus mine and close to the Czech border, Die Glocke is described as being a device “made out of a hard, heavy metal” approximately nine feet wide and 12 to 15 feet high, having a shape similar to that of a large bell. According to Cook, this device ostensibly contained two counter-rotating cylinders which would be “filled with a mercury-like substance, violet in color”. This metallic liquid was code-named “Xerum 525” and was otherwise cautiously “stored in a tall thin thermos flask a meter high encased in lead”.[6] Additional substances said to be employed in the experiments, referred to as Leichtmetall (light metal), “included thorium and beryllium peroxides”.[6] Cook describes Die Glocke as emitting strong radiation when activated, an effect that supposedly led to the death of several unnamed scientists[7] and various plant and animal test subjects.[6] Based upon certain external indications, Witkowski states that the ruins of a concrete framework—aesthetically dubbed “The Henge”—in the vicinity of the Wenceslas mine (50°37′43″N 16°29′40″E) may have once served as a test rig for an experiment in “anti-gravity propulsion” generated with Die Glocke.[8] However, the derelict structure itself has also been interpreted to resemble the remains of a conventional industrial cooling tower.[9]


Witkowski stated that Die Glocke ended up in a “Nazi-friendly South American country”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odessa_File


The film adaptation The Odessa File was released in 1974 starring Jon Voight and Maximilian Schell. It was directed by Ronald Neame with a score by Andrew Lloyd Webber. It is based rather loosely on the book, but it brought about the exposure of the real-life "Butcher of Riga", Eduard Roschmann. After the film was released to the public, he was arrested by the Argentinian police, skipped bail, and fled to Asunción, Paraguay where he died on 10 August 1977.

[Alien Ramone]

Posted by truth4me (here)
My question is where is the craft now?

I just ran across this video where Michael Schratt talks about and shows drawings of what Dan Burisch has described. At 12:32 into the video he says that Dan saw the Roswell craft covered by a tarp in bay 3 on the first floor at the S-4 base, which is about 12 miles south of area 51:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=poOUxR_HW0U

[Pilote Tempête]

It's a question of telling sense from nonsense in the information. Burisch is putting out disinformation n Deane also (the Universe is certainly not finite), n also Farrell (they were not humans), n there r no higher dimensions. Unfortunately, a lot of you take the nonsense seriously. The key here is to realize the cooperation between ETs n human governments. There is both an ET component to Roswell as well as a Nazi one. See my upcoming thread "Roswell of the Reich Debunked."

As for Whitley Strieber, he is not well regarded in ufology, not that his experience was false, but because of his character.

pamela,

It's not derailng the topic at all. The same people that crashed at Roswell r behind the kidnappings.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Pilote Tempête (here)
(the Universe is certainly not finite),

n also Farrell (they were not humans), n there r no higher dimensions.

The universe which we are part of is finite...in esoterics it is known as a Cosmos...which is just another word for an 'ordered universe'...and there are many Cosmos's in the infinite 'sea' of primordial matter. The fact that our science is not advanced enough yet to detect such vast distances does not mean it goes on forever. If you are going to come to conclusions based on physical science you will be found wanting...especially at the fringe of their knowledge.

There are 49 dimensions in existence...the physical and the emotional and the mental are all different dimensions starting at the most dense the physical.
So...out of our current range of consciousness there are 46 higher dimensions or atomic worlds...

Take care
Ray

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)

Do you think the Roswell "aliens" were ... humans from Earth 24,000 years in the future as Dan Burisch has said, or something else?

Note that Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) also confirmed this. After the report below was written, he told Kerry Cassidy and myself that he thought the date they came from was more like 18,000 years in the future.

From, http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_2.html:


Roswell

The Roswell visitors were future humans – as Dan Burisch has stated. They were not from another planet, but from a future Earth – stepping (which is a better word than "traveling") back in time to 1947 to attempt to deal with the problems which had occurred in their history. Apparently, Dan was also correct in that the Roswell visitors were from earlier in the future than some other visitors who arrived subsequently. But Henry didn’t give details or time frames.

The Roswell visitors were on a purely altruistic mission. They did not have to do this, but chose to... out of compassion. But the mission went disastrously wrong – not just because they crashed (an accident caused by high-powered radar – later the military realized this and adapted the radar as a weapon), but because they had a device with them which was their only means, as an orientation device in time and space, to get them home and back to their own time.

The device was a little box, far smaller than the "Looking Glass" that Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton describe as being subsequently utilized by military scientists in various experiments. When the box was acquired and investigated by the military, this became a catastrophe in itself. It made the timeline problem many times worse, because this both introduced the time-portal technology to us at the wrong time... and also told the military what lay ahead.

Henry could not stress too strongly how totally calamitous for us all the Roswell incident was. It was a major, major setback, right at the start of the future humans' project to help fix the problem.

Since then, there have been continued attempts by the future humans to remedy the exacerbated situation. This is what has caused an overlay of timelines, creating a tangled complexity which apparently is challenging for even the most brilliant present-day minds to understand fully.

We asked Henry why the disks kept on crashing, almost year after year. He said that it seemed strange that the visitors had not evaluated the risk from radar before they returned in time, but he explained it was just very dangerous for them to be here for a variety of reasons, despite their advanced technology. Crashes have been caused by many factors, including offensive action. Importantly, Henry emphasized that the Roswell visitors were not the Grays. (He did not mention who the Grays were.)

[Robin]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Note that Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) also confirmed this. After the report below was written, he told Kerry Cassidy and myself that he thought the date they came from was more like 18,000 years in the future.

From, http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_2.html:


Roswell

The Roswell visitors were future humans – as Dan Burisch has stated. They were not from another planet, but from a future Earth – stepping (which is a better word than "traveling") back in time to 1947 to attempt to deal with the problems which had occurred in their history. Apparently, Dan was also correct in that the Roswell visitors were from earlier in the future than some other visitors who arrived subsequently. But Henry didn’t give details or time frames.

The Roswell visitors were on a purely altruistic mission. They did not have to do this, but chose to... out of compassion. But the mission went disastrously wrong – not just because they crashed (an accident caused by high-powered radar – later the military realized this and adapted the radar as a weapon), but because they had a device with them which was their only means, as an orientation device in time and space, to get them home and back to their own time.

The device was a little box, far smaller than the "Looking Glass" that Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton describe as being subsequently utilized by military scientists in various experiments. When the box was acquired and investigated by the military, this became a catastrophe in itself. It made the timeline problem many times worse, because this both introduced the time-portal technology to us at the wrong time... and also told the military what lay ahead.

Henry could not stress too strongly how totally calamitous for us all the Roswell incident was. It was a major, major setback, right at the start of the future humans' project to help fix the problem.

Since then, there have been continued attempts by the future humans to remedy the exacerbated situation. This is what has caused an overlay of timelines, creating a tangled complexity which apparently is challenging for even the most brilliant present-day minds to understand fully.

We asked Henry why the disks kept on crashing, almost year after year. He said that it seemed strange that the visitors had not evaluated the risk from radar before they returned in time, but he explained it was just very dangerous for them to be here for a variety of reasons, despite their advanced technology. Crashes have been caused by many factors, including offensive action. Importantly, Henry emphasized that the Roswell visitors were not the Grays. (He did not mention who the Grays were.)

I always thought that this was interesting, Bill. As much as this story makes a whole lot of sense, it also makes sense that Dan Burisch was mixing in disinformation with valid information (for obvious reasons). What I think would make more sense in the grand scheme of things is that the greys were ordered by the Dracos to crash a vehicle intentionally to give a leg up to the U.S. by giving them the opportunity to back-engineer the advanced technology. This way, they did not violate free will and were not reprimanded by other ET races in this global chess game.

If this is the case...it would make sense that Dan Burisch and Arthur Neumann would instead claim that the Roswell visitors were human time travelers, because revealing that the crash was intentional creates a whole new ball game in understanding of how this chess game is being played out. But this is just a theory and I think that your direct interactions with them and their testimony is very reliable.

Anyway, I'm curious if Dan or Arthur mentioned what exactly the "time-travelers" were coming back to prevent. Did they hint at anything specific, man-made or otherwise?

[David Ansible]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)

Do you think the Roswell "aliens" were ... humans from Earth 24,000 years in the future as Dan Burisch has said, or something else?

Note that Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) also confirmed this. After the report below was written, he told Kerry Cassidy and myself that he thought the date they came from was more like 18,000 years in the future.

From, http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_2.html:


Roswell

The Roswell visitors were future humans – as Dan Burisch has stated. They were not from another planet, but from a future Earth – stepping (which is a better word than "traveling") back in time to 1947 to attempt to deal with the problems which had occurred in their history. Apparently, Dan was also correct in that the Roswell visitors were from earlier in the future than some other visitors who arrived subsequently. But Henry didn’t give details or time frames.

The Roswell visitors were on a purely altruistic mission. They did not have to do this, but chose to... out of compassion. But the mission went disastrously wrong – not just because they crashed (an accident caused by high-powered radar – later the military realized this and adapted the radar as a weapon), but because they had a device with them which was their only means, as an orientation device in time and space, to get them home and back to their own time.

The device was a little box, far smaller than the "Looking Glass" that Dan Burisch and Bill Hamilton describe as being subsequently utilized by military scientists in various experiments. When the box was acquired and investigated by the military, this became a catastrophe in itself. It made the timeline problem many times worse, because this both introduced the time-portal technology to us at the wrong time... and also told the military what lay ahead.

Henry could not stress too strongly how totally calamitous for us all the Roswell incident was. It was a major, major setback, right at the start of the future humans' project to help fix the problem.

Since then, there have been continued attempts by the future humans to remedy the exacerbated situation. This is what has caused an overlay of timelines, creating a tangled complexity which apparently is challenging for even the most brilliant present-day minds to understand fully.

We asked Henry why the disks kept on crashing, almost year after year. He said that it seemed strange that the visitors had not evaluated the risk from radar before they returned in time, but he explained it was just very dangerous for them to be here for a variety of reasons, despite their advanced technology. Crashes have been caused by many factors, including offensive action. Importantly, Henry emphasized that the Roswell visitors were not the Grays. (He did not mention who the Grays were.)

I don't understand this. Wouldn't their timeline stay the same and ours would just branch off, meaning that some group of humans would still experience the same things leading to the future the Roswell future humans were trying to prevent?

[kemo]

I'm more than a little sceptical that even in 24k years' time, humans would opt to look like hideous little dwarfs, unless we've had a major nuclear catastrophe or something and have involuntarily mutated or maybe 'ascended' and that's our ascended form - creeps! I can't imagine the human race abandoning our whole notion of beauty, art even music i.e. we would have to have an entitre new culture (can greys sing Verdi?). OK beauty is in the mind of the beholder but what about sexual attraction? We'd have had to have left that a long ways behind if in future we look anything like the alien autopsy dummy. Doesn't quite add up to me.

[Alien Ramone]

Posted by kemo (here)
I'm more than a little sceptical that even in 24k years' time, humans would opt to look like hideous little dwarfs, unless we've had a major nuclear catastrophe or something and have involuntarily mutated or maybe 'ascended' and that's our ascended form - creeps! I can't imagine the human race abandoning our whole notion of beauty, art even music i.e. we would have to have an entitre new culture (can greys sing Verdi?). OK beauty is in the mind of the beholder but what about sexual attraction? We'd have had to have left that a long ways behind if in future we look anything like the alien autopsy dummy. Doesn't quite add up to me.

Here is an article showing a drawing of what the beings in the crashed Roswell craft may have looked like. The article includes a drawing of a Grey along side one of them for comparison:
http://www.aliens-everything-you-wan...ellAliens.html

[kemo]

Thanks - looks like in 24k years we still haven't found a cure for baldness then.

[Finefeather]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)

Do you think the Roswell "aliens" were ... humans from Earth 24,000 years in the future as Dan Burisch has said, or something else?

Note that Camelot witness 'Henry Deacon' (Arthur Neumann) also confirmed this. After the report below was written, he told Kerry Cassidy and myself that he thought the date they came from was more like 18,000 years in the future.

From, http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_2.html:


The Roswell visitors were future humans – as Dan Burisch has stated. They were not from another planet, but from a future Earth – stepping (which is a better word than "traveling") back in time to 1947 to attempt to deal with the problems which had occurred in their history. Apparently, Dan was also correct in that the Roswell visitors were from earlier in the future than some other visitors who arrived subsequently. But Henry didn’t give details or time frames.

I must say that Dan Burisch, whoever he may be, does not have a serious following by quite a few people I have come across in my snooping around the internet. Anyway I guess he must have convinced enough to have the following that he might have.

I have no axe to grind with him...personally...he is still a human like all of us and deserves to be what he is because of his own choices and doings.

What I do realise in this short little paragraph and statements above, is that...if indeed this is what he has said...he is certainly another one of the disinformation exponents we see so frequently on the internet and queuing up for fame status on forums and in their fiction writings...and what amazes me is how many actually believe this stuff.

So lets take a logical walk through the claim that some people from our future came back to fix something they did a long while back...and the 'a long while back' just happens to be now...or back in 1947...but that's close enough for the argument...and lets just use present tense to make it easier.

So I guess that what they...the Roswell aliens...are supposed to be doing here now is to try to change some action or choice they made when they were us...we now are them in the past. Just a quick thought before I carry on...1 UFO arrived from 18000 years in the future to fix the entire mess we are about to create?...or was it just a small thing that one or two of them/us did that has been bugging them for 18000 years?

So we are about to make some choice, or do something stupid soon...because presumably they/us are back here in time to prevent/change us/them from doing this dreaded thing...which caused them/us to return to fix it...18000 years ago.

Of course the real fact is that they/we must have done IT already...else they/us would not be back here to try to change IT.

When something is done in the first instance it cannot be undone...sure it can be repaired/fixed/changed/redone/put right...but what was done is done...it is forever in the ether...in the human time line.

Now lets say that we know...after the event...that we messed up and proceeded to correct our actions...that will not change the original time line. It will still be the same timeline just with a little repair work added to it to keep us on the 'good' road...and if this were the case or will be the case what are these 'future' 'us es' doing here now...18000 years later...unless they/us failed to deal with the problem they/us came here for now in the first place.

So lets just go through one more scenario:

I am living now in the year 2014 and I have messed up my life which has affected me 18000 years ahead.
I am living now in the year 20014 and my life is messed up because what I did 18000 years ago.
So I go back in time 18000 years and fix my evil ways, does this mean that as soon as I get back to 20014 I will suddenly be all ok? Like if my car is playing up I just go to the garage and have it fixed and by the time I come home all is ok.

So I would be the same Self or entity or Soul living in both periods, 2014 and 20014 simultaneously...we do live after death don't we?...and we do reincarnate don't we?...and so if I am the same Self or entity or Soul why would I need to use a UFO to go back in time to tell myself to shape up? Why could I not just rap myself over the knuckles and save the trip and the expense of the UFO They probably cost a fortune in 20014...what with inflation and all that.

Why would a single Self or entity or Soul or whatever you want to call the real you want to live in 'darkness' as well as in 'the light' at the same time?

The true story...and this is NOT my opinion, but something I happen to know...is that there is no such thing as a simultaneous future going on. We are living now in this Cosmos...in it's natural cycle...which is itself growing and expanding. In 20014 we would not need to come back in time because we would be suitably evolved to have dealt with whatever past bad attitudes, qualities and thinking we might have had in 2014 a long time ago.

So...for me...I reject Mr Dan Burisch's entire story as a figment of his over active imagination...and too many hours spent watching Star Wars movies

Take care
Ray

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Pabranno mentioned Strieber and his story, what I think is very odd about the Roswell story is actually the supposed crash it self, 20.000 or 18.000 years from the future, just for the sake of argument, they have travelled time or dimensions, use technology strange and are about a zillion years ahead of us and they crash a craft for some speculated about reason, and willing to help us out or steer us to a desired outcome ( better for them or us or mutually beneficial or destructive), if they were really from the future the least bit smart at all, they should have checked for radar and potential dangerous modalities that could take them out, imagine the crap that goes through you own mind when you are packing for camping and eventualities, you prep for the terrain /duration you are about to go on your adventure, I think they should have "landed" a craft in good order for us to study nicely, perhaps an already dead / malfunctioning but complete specimen/ compadre on board for us to check out, its either that or a puppet show false flag to kick off the space race in an as early as possible stage, whole ideologically different continents on this blue ball were at each others throats ( presumably) , or grey dudes are poor flyers who have in all their years of being ahead of us never imagined a GPS and for some reason cant plan ahead a decent field trip with or without it

Its an odd story altogether if you ask me, I guess you should have been there to know for sure, that is what helps me out the quickest and best.

[Maunagarjana]

The guy in the video called "Anonymous" who is being interviewed by Richard Dolan speaks about seeing the Roswell craft in a hangar. And he talks about many other things. If you haven't seen this, it is a must watch.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kZk_Sa3AO2E

[Roisin]

Posted by pabranno (here)
Whitley Strieber has another take on this, that essentially the crash was deliberate, and was somewhat of a sacrificial nature, in order to help us start understanding, offering the opportunity to choose our response. In other books he writes passionately that his interactions with the Greys has been on a spiritual level, forcing him to confront deep and powerful aspects of his soul. I have not read his more recent books, so his interpretations have no doubt evolved since his earlier books.
I have been dying to ask this Forum: what do you think of Whitley Strieber? He is the one who really got the abduction/alien issue in the public eye with "Communion".

I know this is really derailing the topic, but if you could humor me just a couple of posts?
Pretty please???


Pamela

IMHO, I definitely believe Strieber is the real deal because because as an experiencer myself, there are a lot things he says in his books that not only correlate with my own experiences but his reflections and pontifications of those experiences resonate with me on a very deep level too. The things I'm talking about are experiences that are off the beaten track. These are things that only experiencer's and abductee's can recognize and relate to. There's just no way he could make those things up... so, once again, in my view, he's the authentic item and a very perceptive one at that.

[Roisin]

Posted by Alien Ramone (here)

Posted by kemo (here)
I'm more than a little sceptical that even in 24k years' time, humans would opt to look like hideous little dwarfs, unless we've had a major nuclear catastrophe or something and have involuntarily mutated or maybe 'ascended' and that's our ascended form - creeps! I can't imagine the human race abandoning our whole notion of beauty, art even music i.e. we would have to have an entitre new culture (can greys sing Verdi?). OK beauty is in the mind of the beholder but what about sexual attraction? We'd have had to have left that a long ways behind if in future we look anything like the alien autopsy dummy. Doesn't quite add up to me.

Here is an article showing a drawing of what the beings in the crashed Roswell craft may have looked like. The article includes a drawing of a Grey along side one of them for comparison:
http://www.aliens-everything-you-wan...ellAliens.html

The "aliens" encountered in the Betty and Barney Hill case looked very similar to those beings in those sketches on that webpage. They were not the quintessential grey with those slanted, big black eyes.

[kemo]

Actually now that I think about it I have seen that drawing before and isn't that bill and steve in front and if I'm not mistaken that's lucy in back - that's the trouble these bloody future humans they all look the same!

[778 neighbour of some guy]

that's the trouble these bloody future humans they all look the same!

Future racism will be just a hilariously stupid as we soon will find out by means of future Stand Up comedians, I hope they'll add some new creativity to the pile, its our differences that unite us, except when you are white, black, green, yellow, olive, blue, red off course that is.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

[2ndComing]

From my gathering of information the Roswell greys are clones of the originals, noting more than machines without a soul.