The "Hitler" Speech They (Don't) Want You To Hear..!

[araucaria]

Posted by loungelizard (here)
I've just been reading about the largest piece of research ever carried out into global anti semitism that has just been published - 53,100 people were polled, in 102 countries
http://www.adl.org/press-center/pres...-100-poll.html

46% of people say they've never heard of the holocaust.
32% of those who have say that it's either a myth, or greatly exaggerated.



http://global100.adl.org/info/holocaust_info

Hence 37% of the total sample accept the official story, and 17% reject it. So what? These are just opinions or beliefs with little to do with either whatever actually happened or whatever serious historians currently think happened. Either way it might simply be telling us that half the people don't know the truth and the other half don't know they don't know. History is not determined by opinion poll, but the scale of our ignorance is.

[Milneman]

Posted by Andrew (here)
Agape where is it that Germans are racist? from what I've gathered they were not. From what i've gathered they just didn't want the white man watered down or interacial, not that they despised coloured people.

And was it not Albert Pike who created the KKK who was nothing to do with Germany and he was a Freemason who Hitler was against??

Oh no, here he goes again.

Sit tight Andrew cause if this one doesn't knock your socks off, then nothing will.

re: eugenics

There is fundamentally a problem with thinking that genetics and evolution can ever produce anything pure or purely better than something else unless you accept a primary belief about modern evolutionary theory. Namely, it is not an unguided process or a process which man can control and expect the same results outside of the system as it exists.

And how does that system exist?

I'm putting forward the hypothesis that evolution is not an unguided process, but is in fact a guided process used by a power greater than humanity.

Having said that, any human being who feels they can manipulate the human genome is by the nature of my hypothesis impossibly deluded. And if you wish to suggest that evolution is an unguided random process as modern evolutionary theory suggests, then you have proof positive that they are even MORE deluded than if they supported my hypothesis!

SO they may not have been racist. But they were really, really dumb.

Let me say that one more time.

They were really, really dumb.

Why were they dumb?

Because they believed a backing theory that supported their belief that they could manipulate the human genome to keep it pure.

This relies on two beliefs. One, human beings can manipulate a process which up until now was totally random (which is false), and two, the genome was pure to begin with.

ERGO!

I need two things from you Andrew to back up what you're saying. Firstly, I need you to demonstrate to me that evolution is in fact an unguided process that can be changed/altered/manipulated for the better by human beings, and two, demonstrate that the genome they wanted to preserve was in fact pure to begin with.

I submit that you can't do either.

Prove me wrong.

[Andrew]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)
Agape where is it that Germans are racist? from what I've gathered they were not. From what i've gathered they just didn't want the white man watered down or interacial, not that they despised coloured people.

And was it not Albert Pike who created the KKK who was nothing to do with Germany and he was a Freemason who Hitler was against??

Oh no, here he goes again.

Sit tight Andrew cause if this one doesn't knock your socks off, then nothing will.

re: eugenics

There is fundamentally a problem with thinking that genetics and evolution can ever produce anything pure or purely better than something else unless you accept a primary belief about modern evolutionary theory. Namely, it is not an unguided process or a process which man can control and expect the same results outside of the system as it exists.

And how does that system exist?

I'm putting forward the hypothesis that evolution is not an unguided process, but is in fact a guided process used by a power greater than humanity.

Having said that, any human being who feels they can manipulate the human genome is by the nature of my hypothesis impossibly deluded. And if you wish to suggest that evolution is an unguided random process as modern evolutionary theory suggests, then you have proof positive that they are even MORE deluded than if they supported my hypothesis!

SO they may not have been racist. But they were really, really dumb.

Let me say that one more time.

They were really, really dumb.

Why were they dumb?

Because they believed a backing theory that supported their belief that they could manipulate the human genome to keep it pure.

This relies on two beliefs. One, human beings can manipulate a process which up until now was totally random (which is false), and two, the genome was pure to begin with.

ERGO!

I need two things from you Andrew to back up what you're saying. Firstly, I need you to demonstrate to me that evolution is in fact an unguided process that can be changed/altered/manipulated for the better by human beings, and two, demonstrate that the genome they wanted to preserve was in fact pure to begin with.

I submit that you can't do either.

Prove me wrong.

Problem is, you cant prove your theory either.

[Milneman]

Actually, yes I can! Would you like to go first or should I?

[Andrew]

The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”

There are now only three German children left in the Jens-Nydahl-Grundschule in Kreuzberg, Berlin—a shocking demonstration of how Europe is being ethnically cleansed by Third World immigration.

A story in the Bild magazine on the development was headlined: “We are the last 3 German children in our German school. The rest are Muslims.”

Kreuzberg in Berlin has long been a destination for Turkish immigration into the German capital, and now the inevitable point has been reached where Germans have been ethnically cleansed from that part of the city.

In the playground Talina (11), Svenja (11) and Jason (9) can’t understand a word. Because, here, their classmates only speak Turkish and Arabic, the Bild article continued.

Here 99 percent of the 313 pupils have an immigrant (Muslim) background. For 285 of those, the parents receive financial support from the state.

Talina is in the 6th year. “When she first went to school, she could read and write her first words. Her fellow pupils couldn’t say ‘Thank you’, ‘Please’ or ‘Good morning’,” says her mother Mara M. (45).

The German children are teased about being ‘pork eaters’. Her classmate Svenja: “I wish there were more pupils who could speak my language.” Jason’s mother says: “It’s not good that there are so few German children at the school.”

A teacher was quoted by Bild as saying: “We have tried in vain to get Germans in the school. Now we’re concentrating on the clientele that we have. In the canteen, there is no more pork.”

Kreuzberg is now the largest Turkish city outside of Turkey and is known as “Kleine Istanbul” (Little Istanbul).

According to Berlin government statistics, 90 percent of the inhabitants of certain areas of Kreuzberg live below the poverty level and subsist on taxpayer handouts—making a mockery of the liberal claim that immigration into Europe is needed to “keep the pension system and economy running.”

The Extermination of the White Race: 69% of School Children in London Are Non-white

The Extermination of the White Race: 69% of School Children in London Are Non-white

Genocide by stealth Part 1

[Milneman]

You have neither provided evidence that an unguided evolutionary process can be changed/modified/altered for the benefit of human beings, nor have you demonstrated that the genome they wanted to preserve was pure to begin with. Instead, you provided links to extreme-right wing neo-nazi propaganda.

It seems to me you are less interested in a debate and more interested in promoting your own agenda.

My turn?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Andrew (here)
The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”

Posted by Milneman (here)
You have neither provided evidence that an unguided evolutionary process can be changed/modified/altered for the benefit of human beings, nor have you demonstrated that the genome they wanted to preserve was pure to begin with. Instead, you provided links to extreme-right wing neo-nazi propaganda.

It seems to me you are less interested in a debate and more interested in promoting your own agenda.

As best as I can tell, one of the favorite tools of the bastards in power is to divide humanity against itself.

In this case, it seems that large scale immigration of Muslims of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, North Africa, ...) descent into traditionally Christian areas of northern Europe of Caucasian descent is causing the expected tensions. The communities being overrun by "foreigners" are outraged. Others are outraged at that outrage, finding it to be extreme racist propaganda.

There is truth in both views ... and deeply destructive and divisive aspects as well.

I recommend that we each do our best to protect and nuture that which is good in ourselves and our fellow humans, and minimize the energy we feed into these great divisions.

[Andrew]

My agenda that's a funny one Milneman haha

Paul - thanks for the input and well said, we certainly dont want to fall into there trap and do stupid stuff.

Loungelizard - I read in a Lobsang Rampa book that one day will have one race a race of Tan (as he called it) and I liked the idea all our traits mixing together and dare I say it, having one superior race. But this just isn't happening is it? we dont see anyone mixing the gene pool, more like fading out. The elite strictly choose who they are to breed with and keep with there bloodline purity and dont allow any mixing (look at what happened to princess Diana) yet migrants are flooding into white countries and congregating in towns and whole streets are pretty much non white, but you go to India or Pakistan or Turkey and you dont get whites filling up there towns... and you really think the whole multiculteral Europe is for the benefit of mankind? your kidding right?

WW2 was a bit like 9/11 another step in the agenda, WW2 was the hardest part for them they had Hitler to deal with and he was no push over, it's the problem when you get a peoples who wont back down, you get one hellish war. Indians were the same, but they only had sticks and stones... White man had technology.

[Agape]

Posted by Andrew (here)
The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”

I don't think it's the multicultural environment but quality of education that matters . You would find many great schools all over the world with high education standards that contain students of all possible ethnics together and it only enhances their experience and makes them more ready to face the 'bigger world' and you'll find local schools attended by pupils from surrounding villages for whom any greater step forwards is bound to be a shock because they never met anyone unlike them .

4 to 5 years olds can learn 3 or more languages simultaneously with least difficulties , that's until they learn about society imposed barriers and prejudice . It's hardly a new experience , it's been tried and practised many times .

I do understand how everyone has a point . Education style and standards in Europe got on target repeatedly in the past when the authorities realised that the old classical model is overgrown and does not fit everybody ,
ethnicity of the child is not the deciding factor at all here .

There are children who are very conscious and inquisitive from young age and really want to study and then there are children requiring special attention in order to be interested , at the same age .

Years ago .. before all the ADHD hype and label were as fashionable as they're now, the situation was roughly the same . Some kids who were still considered gifted , in average or had one or two learning disabilities yet excelled in something but could not fit to 'normal school curriculum' were seen as 'problematic' and left behind .. unless their parents sought other options .
It took decades to approve 'alternatives' such as 'Waldorf schools' in Europe .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_education

To this day, they remain alternative .. partially because they are few , they are private and have to be payed - and they're not really cheap .


I remember the schools I attended were never one like another, quality differed though 30 years ago the system here was very uniform and did not allow many exceptions .
The local school I was signed in as 5 years old then postponed on mothers request because she wanted to have me home had great teachers and collective but , I ended up teaching my classmates reading&writing at the end of the year .
There were many children from 'suburbs' who had difficulties and were slow . After 2 years , they picked me up and offered to send me to 'language school' which was one of the only two existing schools of that kind in Prague .
I definitely wanted to move .. mum who still remembered her happy days in village school as a kid that she had to leave for city , forced by parents, called me 'elitists bean ' . She was afraid I'm learning too fast .
The new school /class was a mixture of gifted kids and those from 'well off' families who mocked the rest of us for not having label clothing .
There was previously unknown jealousy , envy , 'special relationships to teachers' from the 'well off' students , not a healthy environment . The class suffered through this greatly and we all knew it's the teachers causing the rift , fortunately teachers changed on senior level but atmosphere once started never healed completely .
We learned twice more in average than 'normal schools' and I still liked being there , surprisingly .. but was very happy when the level ended and could move my own way ,
against everyone else's convictions and interests ,
I went for 'special maths' class' at college where I had to pass talent exams and hoped that I'll be judged according to my abilities and not the sweater I wear .

[Tony]

Just watch how easy it is to become racist.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VeK759FF84s

Tony

[Andrew]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)
The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”

I don't think it's the multicultural environment but quality of education that matters . You would find many great schools all over the world with high education standards that contain students of all possible ethnics together and it only enhances their experience and makes them more ready to face the 'bigger world' and you'll find local schools attended by pupils from surrounding villages for whom any greater step forwards is bound to be a shock because they never met anyone unlike them .

4 to 5 years olds can learn 3 or more languages simultaneously with least difficulties , that's until they learn about society imposed barriers and prejudice . It's hardly a new experience , it's been tried and practised many times .

I do understand how everyone has a point . Education style and standards in Europe got on target repeatedly in the past when the authorities realised that the old classical model is overgrown and does not fit everybody ,
ethnicity of the child is not the deciding factor at all here .

There are children who are very conscious and inquisitive from young age and really want to study and then there are children requiring special attention in order to be interested , at the same age .

Years ago .. before all the ADHD hype and label were as fashionable as they're now, the situation was roughly the same . Some kids who were still considered gifted , in average or had one or two learning disabilities yet excelled in something but could not fit to 'normal school curriculum' were seen as 'problematic' and left behind .. unless their parents sought other options .
It took decades to approve 'alternatives' such as 'Waldorf schools' in Europe .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldorf_education

To this day, they remain alternative .. partially because they are few , they are private and have to be payed - and they're not really cheap .


I remember the schools I attended were never one like another, quality differed though 30 years ago the system here was very uniform and did not allow many exceptions .
The local school I was signed in as 5 years old then postponed on mothers request because she wanted to have me home had great teachers and collective but , I ended up teaching my classmates reading&writing at the end of the year .
There were many children from 'suburbs' who had difficulties and were slow . After 2 years , they picked me up and offered to send me to 'language school' which was one of the only two existing schools of that kind in Prague .
I definitely wanted to move .. mum who still remembered her happy days in village school as a kid that she had to leave for city , forced by parents, called me 'elitists bean ' . She was afraid I'm learning too fast .
The new school /class was a mixture of gifted kids and those from 'well off' families who mocked the rest of us for not having label clothing .
There was previously unknown jealousy , envy , 'special relationships to teachers' from the 'well off' students , not a healthy environment . The class suffered through this greatly and we all knew it's the teachers causing the rift , fortunately teachers changed on senior level but atmosphere once started never healed completely .
We learned twice more in average than 'normal schools' and I still liked being there , surprisingly .. but was very happy when the level ended and could move my own way ,
against everyone else's convictions and interests ,
I went for 'special maths' class' at college where I had to pass talent exams and hoped that I'll be judged according to my abilities and not the sweater I wear .

I wish this to be true in regards of the young children picking up languages in school while surrounded by other ethnic children, though it just doesn't happen, if it does it's rare. You can look on the brightside all the time but sometimes you end up just kidding yourself.

[Agape]

Posted by Andrew (here)

I wish this to be true in regards of the young children picking up languages in school while surrounded by other ethnic children, though it just doesn't happen, if it does it's rare. You can look on the brightside all the time but sometimes you end up just kidding yourself.

I did not mean it that way . And 'picking up languages' is hardly an option either , they can and have to be learned . What was found , actually , by several studies devoted to children's development is that learning 2 to 3 languages at once poses no extra pressure and demand on their developing brain,
contrary to what was thought previously .

The world is changing in front of our eyes .. but people who sit at their admin desks for decades ( now I don't mean Paul .. ) are rarely able to catch up on real demands and what would be the best .

[Andrew]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)

I wish this to be true in regards of the young children picking up languages in school while surrounded by other ethnic children, though it just doesn't happen, if it does it's rare. You can look on the brightside all the time but sometimes you end up just kidding yourself.

I did not mean it that way . And 'picking up languages' is hardly an option either , they can and have to be learned . What was found , actually , by several studies devoted to children's development is that learning 2 to 3 languages at once poses no extra pressure and demand on their developing brain,
contrary to what was thought previously .

The world is changing in front of our eyes .. but people who sit at their admin desks for decades ( now I don't mean Paul .. ) are rarely able to catch up on real demands and what would be the best .

The world is changing but for good or worse? seems some cant see the wood for the tree's...

I enjoy listening to Alan Watt he never mixes his words and is very straight forward, many wont like to hear what is said because it's not all good news and wrapped in love, but helps connect dots and understand whats in play for those who want to know. It will fit in with some discussions in this thread.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yUjjKhtVOU0

[Rocky_Shorz]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)
The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”

Posted by Milneman (here)
You have neither provided evidence that an unguided evolutionary process can be changed/modified/altered for the benefit of human beings, nor have you demonstrated that the genome they wanted to preserve was pure to begin with. Instead, you provided links to extreme-right wing neo-nazi propaganda.

It seems to me you are less interested in a debate and more interested in promoting your own agenda.

As best as I can tell, one of the favorite tools of the bastards in power is to divide humanity against itself.

In this case, it seems that large scale immigration of Muslims of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, North Africa, ...) descent into traditionally Christian areas of northern Europe of Caucasian descent is causing the expected tensions. The communities being overrun by "foreigners" are outraged. Others are outraged at that outrage, finding it to be extreme racist propaganda.

There is truth in both views ... and deeply destructive and divisive aspects as well.

I recommend that we each do our best to protect and nuture that which is good in ourselves and our fellow humans, and minimize the energy we feed into these great divisions.

no problems with religious racism with Russia, because freedoms are explained from the beginning...

[Agape]

The world is changing but for good or worse? seems some cant see the wood for the tree's...

All I see is very stressed up civilisation . The human mass is not any better than other living mass . Collectivism is frightening .
Imagine a society of last 100 000 individuals living on Earth .. or less .. or more ..how very precious would we be to each other .

I wonder if people ever look deeper to who they are to see it the same way . 7 billion people .. like long super fast train hurling forwards with no one at the control panel .. or to be more precise , a stampede in each control room .. fight over who will be switching the red buttons and green buttons fastest than others ,
security guards throwing people off the train regularly to relieve the pressure,

we so called 'don't have time' to live with some people .. we're too many , empty numbers .

The worth of human life .. discussed by philosophers at times when this civilisation had million members or less .. was something of real value . What does it turn to now ?
Plane survival stress ?

The 'positivists' and 'negativists' alike are part of this world , this board and this civilisation. How possibly, few millions of disillusioned skeptics would not have a point ?

Truth shall win by mass of people marching over the fields and singing hallelujah ?

Where will they go ...from the metaphorical edge of the world .. and their existence .. to some collective heaven ?

The paradox of our age is about being unaware of how much do we have in common , how much options, resources there are , how foolish we are to hold them against each other , about disability to cease wars , seek for higher ethical solutions,
about forcing the world and people to decide whether the truth is 'right' or 'left' , 'black' or 'white' .

How beautiful would be the world if all that is said was also meant .. and there would not be so much noise produced .

[Milneman]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Andrew (here)
The Extermination of Whites in Europe: “We Are the Last 3 German Children in Our School.”

Posted by Milneman (here)
You have neither provided evidence that an unguided evolutionary process can be changed/modified/altered for the benefit of human beings, nor have you demonstrated that the genome they wanted to preserve was pure to begin with. Instead, you provided links to extreme-right wing neo-nazi propaganda.

It seems to me you are less interested in a debate and more interested in promoting your own agenda.

As best as I can tell, one of the favorite tools of the bastards in power is to divide humanity against itself.

In this case, it seems that large scale immigration of Muslims of middle eastern (Turkish, Arabic, North Africa, ...) descent into traditionally Christian areas of northern Europe of Caucasian descent is causing the expected tensions. The communities being overrun by "foreigners" are outraged. Others are outraged at that outrage, finding it to be extreme racist propaganda.

There is truth in both views ... and deeply destructive and divisive aspects as well.

I recommend that we each do our best to protect and nuture that which is good in ourselves and our fellow humans, and minimize the energy we feed into these great divisions.

Agreed Paul. However, the original questions that I had asked have as of yet still remained unanswered. This is a tool of the rhetorician that knows they are entering into shaky ground they may not be able to defend: first of all, the argument is post hoc in that there is no peer reviewed evidence that meaningful immigration is being used to create diversity by governments. If it's out there, provide it please. It makes more sense to me, having spoken to immigrants in my own country, that a system has been created that has loop holes which immigrants more often than not take advantage of. All this proves is that politicians aren't intelligent in the way we need them to be, and human beings universally will take the easy route, even if it's the wrong thing to do, if it gets them what they want.

Neither of the points I challenged Andrew to defend have been defended thus far. Instead we get a sideline away from a key point in this argument that I think needs to be answered and defended.

So Andrew...I'm still waiting! Or alternatively I can go ahead and defend my own point and you can challenge it. Your call.

[Rocky_Shorz]

well as for the Jewish Pure race bloodline...

it started from inbreeding Zoo Keepers from the Ark...

taking the book literally, those 8 people created 7 billion of us...

so why are some Red, others really tan, yellow, brown, white...

If it all started as the Jews say with their ancestors...

then ummm, didn't all of us come from the same bloodlines?

so why would one of us consider ourselves better than our other relatives?

[Milneman]

Posted by Agape (here)

The world is changing but for good or worse? seems some cant see the wood for the tree's...

All I see is very stressed up civilisation . The human mass is not any better than other living mass . Collectivism is frightening .
Imagine a society of last 100 000 individuals living on Earth .. or less .. or more ..how very precious would we be to each other .

I wonder if people ever look deeper to who they are to see it the same way . 7 billion people .. like long super fast train hurling forwards with no one at the control panel .. or to be more precise , a stampede in each control room .. fight over who will be switching the red buttons and green buttons fastest than others ,
security guards throwing people off the train regularly to relieve the pressure,

we so called 'don't have time' to live with some people .. we're too many , empty numbers .

The worth of human life .. discussed by philosophers at times when this civilisation had million members or less .. was something of real value . What does it turn to now ?
Plane survival stress ?

The 'positivists' and 'negativists' alike are part of this world , this board and this civilisation. How possibly, few millions of disillusioned skeptics would not have a point ?

Truth shall win by mass of people marching over the fields and singing hallelujah ?

Where will they go ...from the metaphorical edge of the world .. and their existence .. to some collective heaven ?

The paradox of our age is about being unaware of how much do we have in common , how much options, resources there are , how foolish we are to hold them against each other , about disability to cease wars , seek for higher ethical solutions,
about forcing the world and people to decide whether the truth is 'right' or 'left' , 'black' or 'white' .

How beautiful would be the world if all that is said was also meant .. and there would not be so much noise produced .

We'd need to get rid of cell phones.

When I got to what you wrote about truth, what rang out with me wasn't 'right' or 'left', 'black' or 'white'....it was 'real' and 'inconvenient'.

[Milneman]

http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/featur...obeyed-hitler/

The levelling of Paris. Scorching German soil in retreat. These are just two orders given by Hitler as the Second World War drew to its end. Historian Randall Hansen's new book, Disobeying Hitler: German Resistance After Operation Valkyrie, reveals how a number of officers deliberately ignored the Fuhrer's erratic demands as the war drew to a close.

While most people are familiar with the internal plot to assassinate Hitler called Operation Valkyrie, Mr. Hansen tells Carol how other officers' refusal to implement Hitler's orders saved lives, and may have hastened the end of the war.

But the story isn't just about the officers who openly defied Hitler; Mr. Hansen also details how civilians, especially women and children, refused to cooperate with German soldiers on home soil as Allied forces marched into the country.

[Milneman]

Rocky,

Only problem is: what if you're one of these con-fangled Christians (like I am) that reads that as allegorical? Like a parable?

I mean Jesus used parables all over the Bible, and He even said at some point the reasons He taught in parables.

I don't buy this argument. But good try!

Posted by Rocky_Shorz (here)
well as for the Jewish Pure race bloodline...

it started from inbreeding Zoo Keepers from the Ark...

taking the book literally, those 8 people created 7 billion of us...

so why are some Red, others really tan, yellow, brown, white...

If it all started as the Jews say with their ancestors...

then ummm, didn't all of us come from the same bloodlines?

so why would one of us consider ourselves better than our other relatives?

You mean like everyone evolving out of one child born from a certain woman in Africa?

Yeah I get what you mean. You're actually backing my argument up here in a strange way. Evolution can not be an unguided process, and if anyone assumes they can somehow modify it they're in big trouble.