The earth is flat, not round. We are being mind set by Annunaki/Illuminati/TPTB

[Fellow Aspirant]

Hear! Hear! Well said, Dennis.

[sigma6]

Posted by Arak (here)
I assume people who think Earth is flat have never wondered why you can see further in distance the higher you are... R taken a flight with airpane. Or watched stream from from international space sation. Or...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

Distance to the horizon[edit]
For an observer standing on the ground with h = 1.70 metres (5 ft 7 in) (average eye-level height), the horizon is at a distance of 4.7 kilometres (2.9 mi).
For an observer standing on the ground with h = 2 metres (6 ft 7 in), the horizon is at a distance of 5 kilometres (3.1 mi).
For an observer standing on a hill or tower of 100 metres (330 ft) in height, the horizon is at a distance of 36 kilometres (22 mi).
For an observer standing at the top of the Burj Khalifa (828 metres (2,717 ft) in height), the horizon is at a distance of 103 kilometres (64 mi).
For an observer atop Mount Everest (8,848 metres (29,029 ft) altitude), the horizon is at a distance of 336 kilometres (209 mi).

Ps. In reality there is nothing but energy in endless void.

that doesn't quite cover the physics, since you could see farther on a flat plane as well I would say... but it was observed (by men of rational intelligence) that the mast of a ship would eventually "sink" from view. And thus the "curvature" of the ocean could be deduced logically. Some of the best science comes from simply observing what is in front of you...

[8Adamas8]

Posted by crosby (here)

Posted by 8Adamas8 (here)
Ponder on this instead, from a 4D perspective a 3D object would appear to be flat but that would mean the entire universe not just the earth.
I'm not even going to get into the science as it has been sufficiently covered in previous posts nor will I go on a debunking rant of the arguments presented in the video. However with my personal experience as a pilot, land navigation survivalist, and knowing people who don't work for NASA and have circumnavigated the globe without running into any ice walls, I can guarantee you the earth is a sphere.

yes, but even so, if we live or ascribe to the holographic life, is this still true? food for thought.
crosby

Yes because a hologram is a 2D image that appears 3D

[wnlight]

Let me tell you a true story of some very smart high energy physicists and engineers that for a little while forgot that the Earth is round. When I was working at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory near Chicago in its early years, a beam line was laid out stretching about 300 meters. The main requirements were that is be evacuated of air, and that it be in a perfectly straight line. This way, very fast particles produced at FermiLab could be transported a large distance without interference by molecules of air. The beam line pipe was only a few inches wide, so they had to be precise. They used levels! Truly, one could place a level anywhere on the beam line and see the precision. Of course, the line did not work. It was too high in the middle. I worked with a crew to lower the high parts using lasers. When we were done, the beam line was level at both ends, but nowhere else! And it worked fine. So I could see for myself that the Earth is round at least in the Chicago area. BTW, the particles were moving near the speed of light so they did not drop much in transit.

[Maia Gabrial]

...and then the hologram began to flicker....

[Hervé]

Posted by wnlight (here)
Let me tell you a true story of some very smart high energy physicists and engineers that for a little while forgot that the Earth is round. When I was working at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory near Chicago in its early years, a beam line was laid out stretching about 300 meters. The main requirements were that is be evacuated of air, and that it be in a perfectly straight line. This way, very fast particles produced at FermiLab could be transported a large distance without interference by molecules of air. The beam line pipe was only a few inches wide, so they had to be precise. They used levels! Truly, one could place a level anywhere on the beam line and see the precision. Of course, the line did not work. It was too high in the middle. I worked with a crew to lower the high parts using lasers. When we were done, the beam line was level at both ends, but nowhere else! And it worked fine. So I could see for myself that the Earth is round at least in the Chicago area. BTW, the particles were moving near the speed of light so they did not drop much in transit.

Nah! It's the light that forgot to get bent by gravity... tssk-tssk...

However, there is one thing that finally convinced me that Earth ain't no flat plate...

... check it out at this post <---

[Maia Gabrial]

By now, we all believe that our world is just a hologram, right? What we see is not what is....
Who's to say what our world REALLY looks like when the hologram machine shuts off (or the veil lifts)? Would the stars and planets still look like bright orbs of light? Or would we see massive ships and spheres instead of planets and stars? What would the heavens really look like then?

[wnlight]

Maia,

Maybe this is the real world.

[Maia Gabrial]

Maybe it could look like this, a piece of Tiamat's surface and the hologram just covers it up.

[donk]

...sure, and maybe it's turtles all the way down...what benefit or usefulness is it though to entertain these beliefs?



The shared we reality we live in seems to make it more practical to believe what overwhelming amounts of observation seems to indicate: it seems our 3d existence is based on a large spherical object--holographic or not, the hologram seems to wrap around in a ball form, to pretty much everyone I've encountered within said hologram.

Imaging the earth is flat is like imagining we will ourselves on to the ground. It's possible (probable) we don't have 100% understanding of spheres in 3D or a force/property/law/whathaveyou that makes us not float away....but it seems like believing the earth is round and that gravity is not an individual subconscious decision is more practical.

I mean: It's also possible a magical unicorn's skittle sh!t is consciously creating us with its thought...what purpose does it serve to believe that though, other than to show you are capable of entertaining more fanciful ideas than the "norm"? I think it's important we don't confuse open-mindness with narrcasitic delusion. Believing it's flat just because it seems flat everywhere I'm standing on it reeks of solopsim, to me...

[AuCo]

"A hologram" of "infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings" heh? Now, that's really closed to the Buddha's teaching.

I used to watch Dr. Who. The inside of his telephone booth is bigger than what appears outside.

Some day, when I could walk in a 2-D world, I probably knew the Earth is actually flat.

Would you believe the Earth is actually a dot?

Posted by RunningDeer (here)
I don’t have time to summarize the article. But I will say that I just read and took notes on this only hours ago. One reason is because I’m re-evaluating this whole holographic game. Of late, I’m getting one synchronity after another, and experiencing this reality that shows me, “It’s all carnival and theater.”

Scientific American: “The Universe Really Is a Hologram, According to New Simulations”

[article here]

"In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings could be reinterpreted in terms of well-established physics. The mathematically intricate world of strings, which exist in nine dimensions of space plus one of time, would be merely a hologram: the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity."

It's a Cookbook!!!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I

<3

[RunningDeer]

Posted by AuCo (here)
"A hologram" of "infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings" heh? Now, that's really closed to the Buddha's teaching.

I used to watch Dr. Who. The inside of his telephone booth is bigger than what appears outside.

Some day, when I could walk in a 2-D world, I probably knew the Earth is actually flat.

Would you believe the Earth is actually a dot?

Would you believe the Earth is actually a dot?

If/Then: We’re energy then no-space, no-time is needed. So the dot maybe too big. Ha!

The more I learn, the more I understand that it’s important to see and live from the greater perspective. But who’s to say that I am able to see it from there? Maybe it’s still part of the hologram I signed on for.

Knowledge assists in expansion of new ideas and synthesis of opposing views. But at the end of the day, I wonder if it’s just a collection of outdated stuff. Only the essential bits will present to those that have stretched beyond the body containers.

So my travels are more about how to become intimate with the no-space, no-time me/we, while staying grounded for those that have no desires beyond the programs.

After spending the better part of a week with friends and family, I realized that I've got to lighten up. Trust that all is, as it is. Until it's time for whatever this little pea brain cannot begin to fathom.

In the meantime, I’ll be-at-play with it all. And my decision has made me lighter.

<3

[Sierra]

Apparently the ancient Greeks figured out the 3D shape of the planet, fairly accurately. ...

Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth without leaving Egypt. Eratosthenes knew that on the summer solstice at local noon in the Ancient Egyptian city of Swenet (known in Greek as Syene, and in the modern day as Aswan) on the Tropic of Cancer, the sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead. He also knew, from measurement, that in his hometown of Alexandria, the angle of elevation of the sun would be 1/50 of a full circle (7°12') south of the zenith at the same time. Assuming that Alexandria was due north of Syene he concluded that the distance from Alexandria to Syene must be 1/50 of the total circumference of the earth. His estimated distance between the cities was 5000 stadia (about 500 geographical miles or 800 km) by estimating the time that he had taken to travel from Syene to Alexandria by camel. He rounded the result to a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is frequently argued. The common Attic stadium was about 185 m, which would imply a circumference of 46,620 km, i.e. 16.3% too large. However, if we assume that Eratosthenes used the "Egyptian stadium"[7] of about 157.5 m, his measurement turns out to be 39,690 km, an error of less than 1%.[8]
Although Eratosthenes' method was well founded, the accuracy of his calculation was inherently limited. The accuracy of Eratosthenes' measurement would have been reduced by the fact that Syene is slightly north of the Tropic of Cancer, is not directly south of Alexandria, and the sun appears as a disk located at a finite distance from the earth instead of as a point source of light at an infinite distance. There are other sources of experimental error: the greatest limitation to Eratosthenes' method was that, in antiquity, overland distance measurements were not reliable[citation needed], especially for travel along the non-linear Nile which was traveled primarily by boat. Assuming enough difficulties in measurements, the accuracy of Eratosthenes' size of the earth is surprising.[original research?]
Eratosthenes' experiment was highly regarded at the time, and his estimate of the earth’s size was accepted for hundreds of years afterwards. His method was used by Posidonius about 150 years later.

Then we forgot for a few centuries ...

[Maia Gabrial]

I guess the only way we'll ever find out the truth is when we're in crafts flying outside of the hologram.

[Maia Gabrial]

Before I let this dead horse lie, I want to add this video to this argument:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Av3dgILUU8I

What you see may not be what is really there....

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
... We know that the asteroid belt was once the planet Tiamat...

Oh, we 'know' that do we? Without any evidence whatsoever?

Yet we don't necessarily know the Earth is a sphere, despite simple angular measurements made in the Middle East a thousand years ago, oh, and airline pilots; who, incidentally were not indoctrinated into believing it, but see it every day and base their route calculations on the assumption.

As an exercise in philosophical debate, I dare say this one is as good as any, but to be debated as a real possibility...? This is a joke - isn't it?

Nick

[TargeT]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
By now, we all believe that our world is just a hologram, right?

Holograms are very much like fractals.

And since I think both apply pretty well to the reality (not just our world) that we all seem to be experiencing together I'd say that the chances of the earth not being round are pretty low.

As above so below, the fractal phrase applies here.

we live in a defined, rule based system; use those rules to temper your ideas and keep you closer to describing this experience more accurately.


Now, that being said: Nothing is above question, but even the question posed is subject to question; so don't shoot the questioner (in either case)!

[Nick Matkin]

There's one other problem with a flat Earth; you need a way explaining how satellites orbit. If you believe there's a possibility the Earth is flat, you may need to read up a little about celestial mechanics to understand the concept of an orbit.

But suffice to say, satellites do not hover or fly, they are in a continuous fall to Earth, only the Earth has curved away beneath them so they continue to 'fall'.

Yes, satellites do exist, I've used them and seen them, so I think a flat-Earth explanation as to how they do what they do should be absolutely fascinating. Please explain...

Nick

[Maia Gabrial]

We know from ancient texts about Tiamat, Nick....
Nope, no joke about it, Nick.... I've been wondering just how far and deep the deceptions have gone to keep us in the dark.... Still am wondering....Mockery just won't deter me from this, Nick....

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
We know from ancient texts about Tiamat, Nick....
Nope, no joke about it, Nick.... I've been wondering just how far and deep the deceptions have gone to keep us in the dark.... Still am wondering....Mockery just won't deter me from this, Nick....

No intention of mockery, but how do you validate those ancient texts? What about the ancient texts explaining why the earth is spherical?

What about how satellites stay in orbit (it's not magic), and it's not just governments that do it these days. Universities and technical hobby groups (eg. IARU) can do it for a few thousand dollars. If the earth were flat they'd just fall back down - unless they were nailed up there.

This is a truly amazing debate...

Nick