Anti-Semitic political candidates in Ukraine doomed at the ballot box

[Roisin]

The following article is very informative because it illuminates things as they really are in Ukraine.

President Putin Has Called Ukraine a Hotbed of Anti-Semites. It's Not.
Openly anti-Semitic political candidates in today’s Ukraine are doomed at the ballot box.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ors_picks=true

Here are some highlights from this article.

That the 2 far right candidates in that country's most recent election each only received 1% of the vote"flew in the face of Russian President Vladimir Putin's claims that Jews in Ukraine—who number between 100,000 and 300,000—are under threat and that the country is a hotbed of "fascists and anti-Semites." This was one argument Putin used to justify Moscow's annexation of Ukraine's southern region of Crimea and the pressure he continued to exert on the country."

But here are the facts:

Political Poison

"Anti-Semitism is something Ukrainians on either side of the political divide accuse their enemies of, but it's a label they themselves assiduously avoid. Jew baiting is political poison—openly anti-Semitic candidates are repeatedly punished at the ballot box."


"Jewish men in Zhytomyr, 80 miles east of Kiev, read from the Torah. The men wear prayer shawls, or tallit, and on their heads, tefillin, or phylacteries, boxes containing a holy prayer."

At any rate, when it comes to anti-antisemitism, the country of Ukraine offers us an excellent model wrt it being a country which was once rampant with that cancer but has, over the course of many years now, transformed into a place where Jews and Non-Jews live together, side by side in peace and harmony.

"Above all, what seems to characterize Jewish life in Ukraine at this moment is a sense of hope.

The Maidan movement, in which a number of Jews were passionate participants, was not just about eradicating corruption and building democratic institutions. For many Ukrainians, it was about creating a new sense of national identity, one based on citizenship, not ethnicity.

While I was in Lviv, I met some young Jewish residents of the city—over pizza and Cokes—who said there'd been a noticeable transformation in Ukrainian society in recent years.

"People are starting to talk about the Holocaust, take an interest in Jewish things," said Olexander Nazar, the head of Lviv's Sholem Aleichem Society for Jewish Culture, who had just taken part in a Days of Yiddish and Jewish Culture festival. "It's just the beginning, but things are changing, like when molecules start to bump up against each other."

"We're patriots of our country," Nazar said."

[GuyFox]

(as posted on another thread here):

(An outspoken Jew writes about Jewish politics):

(Opponents) “are not driven primarily by anti-Jewish sentiment … (It is) A time for reflection"

Did the Jews Lose Europe?

By Gilad Atzmon

Following the surge of right wing parties in Europe’s Parliamentary election, Forward, the once-progressive Jewish outlet asks, “Have the Jews Lost Europe?” The tone of this question implies that until just a few days ago, at least some Jews believed that Europe was, in part, a ‘Jewish property.’ Such views were not baseless; Jewish Lobbies have dominated British and French policies by means of aggressive lobbying (CFI, LFI, CRIF etc’).

Following the European poll, Dave Rich, deputy director of the ultra Right Wing Jewish para-military Community Security Trust, is concerned. He detects a growing resentment of Jewish politics in Europe. His article in the Forward’s openly examines whether Jews have lost their grip on the European continent...

. . .

Rich quotes British commentator Paul Mason who contends that, “The Euro project was supposed to make sure the continent could never again go fascist. If European legislatures are now crawling with fascists, what was the point of that?”...

. .
Rich concludes by arguing that European Right Wing politics “are not driven primarily by anti-Jewish sentiment … And Europe’s Jews do not need our American friends to remind us where that can lead.” Rich is correct here, the surge in political awareness of the European underclass and impoverished middle class is not driven ‘primarily’ by anti Jewish feelings, however, increasingly, political commentators identify European malaise with Jewish and Zionist politics. The European new Left was badly beaten in last week polls due, in large part, to its Jerusalemite nature and affiliation. The new left in Europe is driven by kosher ideology, it is dominated by Jewish lobbies such as LFI (Britain) and CRIF (France) and if this is not enough, the entire progressive dissent discourse is closely identified with Jewish interests and is largely funded, directly and indirectly, by liberal Zionists such as George Soros and his Open Society Institutes.

Bearing all that in mind, the political shift in Europe carries a clear message to Jewish institutions. Now’s the time for immediate and deep reflection

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> more: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05...s-lose-europe/

> PA thread: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ic-Views/page2

[AutumnW]

Anti Putin article from Nat Geographic mag. Rupert Murdoch owns it now. So, when it comes to political controversy it is as reliable as Fox News

[AutumnW]

Guy Fox, I get the sense that the Jewish issue had very little bearing on the recent elections. The far right are nationalists who would like some control over Islamic people with radically different cultures flooding into their countries

[GuyFox]

That article was written by Gilan Atzmon.
Are you familiar with him?

For me, a key part was this:
"... not driven ‘primarily’ by anti Jewish feelings, however, increasingly, political commentators identify European malaise with Jewish and Zionist politics. The European new Left was badly beaten in last week polls due, in large part, to its Jerusalemite nature and affiliation..."

What is he talking about here?
I think it is mainly the idea that Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Jewish-DRIVEN issue, is destroying what remains of traditional European culture.

Atzmon is not the only one concerned with this issue.

Redice is all over it. And I agree with them that I have become an opponent of Politically correct attitudes and "weaponized words" like:
+ Anti-Semite ! (used to attack anyone who is an opponent to Zionist Jewish superiority claims)
+ Rascist ! (used to attack anyone who dares to stand up for the White race, and traditional European culture)

>see: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...--a-new-trend-

I think it is time to wake-up, and insist that these words be de-weaponized.
We need to have many serious and intelligent conversations about Issues being Driven by Zionists, if we are going to save our historic culture and the future of Western countries

[AutumnW]

How is multi-culturali Jewish driven?

[GuyFox]

Are you asleep?

Here's Barbara Spectre talking about the change that "Europe needs to make"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg

Look around the web, and see how much Multi-culturalism you will find in Israel
Example:
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Jews think it is "good for Europe", but NOT good for Israel.
This dangerous double standard needs exposing

Here's some Truth from an outspoken Jewish critic of Zionism:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

Miko is just one of the many modern day Jews against Zionism and the state of Israel, and with the information he delivers in this astounding talk, it is not difficult to see why more and more Jews are rejecting Zionism and calling for the dismantling of Israel. It is a true eye-opener for anyone who has for too long been blinded by the fake misinformation given by the mainstream media, and the truths come straight from the heartland where he has spent many years documenting the real story.

[AutumnW]

Jews think this and Jews think that....oh dear. The Israeli's have had a disproportionate say in global politics, but they simply don't control everything. What about the role of Saudi Arabia? They have WAY more money and it feeds back into the global Anglo-American banking cartel. What about the Golden Triad and Mexican drug cartels laundering money through Western banks?

When you use the term, "Jews" you are treading on precarious ground. Most Israelis dislike their govt as much as we do.

[GuyFox]

I am not anti-Jewish,

But I am against an agenda which I see many Jewish folk pushing:
That of Multi-culturalism in all countries where they live APART from Israel.

Let them launch it in Israel first, and show the whole world how well it can work,
before they start pushing it elsewhere.

Meantime, the pushback against these policies is beginning to gain force in Europe as
people see how destructive it has been.

[Rocky_Shorz]

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again and again is to get people to look, to rock the world of secrets... say I'm anti-semitic, oooh anything but that, what have I ever done to any of you?

You are Anti-Semite yes, the ones you killed and are still taking their lands, making them live like second class citizens...

we lay it out in black and white...

it upsets some members, which I don't mean to, but part of a teachers mission is to wake people into realities...

and truths, hidden from the world, we will talk freely of, and all they can do is listen. We've heard their side on everything broadcast through monopolies of entertainment and medias...

imagine a teacher with a mute button for their class...

it gives us the advantage...

for those who say Jews of Israel have no say in what is going on in their country is lying, saying it is the Zionist, creating an untouchable monster, is just a cover for lies.

every one of them have a voice, every one of them have feet to march on their leaders.

They need to Boycott the Zionist profiting on their country, they need to step forward and expose the corruption...

anti-semitic has a nice ring to it, you'll all get used to it, if it will change the world...

[GuyFox]

"... We've heard their side on everything broadcast through monopolies of entertainment and medias..."

Haha.
One anti-Zionist poster I know summarized his "pushback strategy" like this:

"I plan to pitch my Tent 'in their faces', and Live there"

(he used this image - which he thought some might find amusing):

( link inactive - it shows a tent with:
"Anti-Semitic just means you dared to oppose Zionist supremacy",
written on the side of the Tent)

That's a bit more aggressive than I am willing to be, but I do think that the days of people being cowed
because they are called "Anti-Semitic", ... or "Rascist" ... are ending.

*(Not all Zionists are created equal. Some are more dangerous than others, and some are also non-Jewist. So the "blanket" opinion on the Tent may be going a bit far. But I do like that it undermines a weaponised word.)

[AutumnW]

I feel multi-culturalism, as implemented in Europe, appears to me to be more stupid than anything else. And I think the creation of a Jewish state in the Middle East was idiotic. They should have created a Jewish state in Canada somewhere--Saskatchewan would have made a wonderful holy land.

I just generally think this planet is a circus of greed idiocy and I have nothing but deep contempt for all of the war loving clowns running the big top. I sympathize with your point if view, don't entirely disagree with you but feel you've left too many groups out.

[GuyFox]

There are rumors around that they want another Jewish state.
Argentina has been mentioned as a possible place.

Multi-culturalism : "stupid"?
The subject of This Redice interview would likely agree with you:

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-140526.php

Ramzpaul - Hour 1 - Multicultural Chaos, Peaceful Nationalism & White Guilt
May 26, 2014
Ramzpaul is known for his iconoclastic YouTube show that mocks cultural Marxism, mostly satire that pokes fun at the establishment. In the first hour, we'll discuss why ethnicity is important and how it stands in the way of the elite. We laugh at stupid things fanatically politically correct people say and the absurd notion of a one size fits all approach. Ramzpaul explains why he's a nationalist for everyone and how it can solve conflicts. We'll talk about foisted White guilt and the ridiculousness of "White privilege." Paul shares what he believes is at the root of "White guilt." In the second hour, we'll discuss how multiculturalism is creating unnecessary conflict. Cultural Marxists are waging war on reality, pushing their religion of egalitarianism. Ramzpaul speaks about nationalism as a way to preserve diversity. Later, we discuss being brave to speak out against the lies and hypocrisy and to stop self censorship in fear of being labeled the "r" word. At the end, Ramzpaul shares his opinion on how multiculturalism will play out.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
I think it is mainly the idea that Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Jewish-DRIVEN issue, is destroying what remains of traditional European culture.

I agree that multi-culturalism, like many memes, is being used to bend, control and manipulate humanity, in part by destroying and dividing against each other various nations and cultures.

I don't agree that those doing the bending are any large racial, national, cultural, religious, et al group of humanity.

Though I enjoy more than many speculating as to who are these "real bastards" messing with us, I don't actually know. I do suppose that in number, they are far fewer than any significant group of ordinary humanity.

I agree that a case can be made (and doubtless can also be disputed) that an inordinately large propotion of the "real bastards" are Jewish, but I would claim that their apparent Jewishness is usually superficial, a convenient cover, and that their number is far less than the number of Jewish people.

The bastards likely find that one useful aspect of often appearing to be Jewish is that it seeds the distracting and polarizing objection of being anti-Semitic.

Please ... let us not make the bastards job easier for them than is necessary. I recommend finding various names and descriptions for said bastards that rather more clearly distinguishes them from, avoids confusing them with, any of the many large groups of ordinary humans. For example, I might refer to Zionist Israeli leaders, not to all Jews nor to all Israelis when condemning some dastardly act of the bastards that I think these particular "people" had a major hand in promulgating (e.g., 9/11.)

[Rocky_Shorz]

I use anger for a connection and the ones we are targeting are the only ones who get angry from what I share...

I do the same thing in every thread with Anti-Semitic in the title...

with the hits from a search, this page should pop to the top... shhhh

[GuyFox]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by GuyFox (here)
I think it is mainly the idea that Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Jewish-DRIVEN issue, is destroying what remains of traditional European culture.

I agree that multi-culturalism, like many memes, is being used to bend, control and manipulate humanity, in part by destroying and dividing against each other various nations and cultures.

I don't agree that those doing the bending are any large racial, national, cultural, religious, et al group of humanity.

Though I enjoy more than many speculating as to who are these "real bastards" messing with us, I don't actually know. I do suppose that in number, they are far fewer than any significant group of ordinary humanity.

I agree that a case can be made (and doubtless can also be disputed) that an inordinately large propotion of the "real bastards" are Jewish, but I would claim that their apparent Jewishness is usually superficial, a convenient cover, and that their number is far less than the number of Jewish people.

The bastards likely find that one useful aspect of often appearing to be Jewish is that it seeds the distracting and polarizing objection of being anti-Semitic.

Please ... let us not make the bastards job easier for them than is necessary. I recommend finding various names and descriptions for said bastards that rather more clearly distinguishes them from, avoids confusing them with, any of the many large groups of ordinary humans. For example, I might refer to Zionist Israeli leaders, not to all Jews nor to all Israelis when condemning some dastardly act of the bastards that I think these particular "people" had a major hand in promulgating (e.g., 9/11.)

We are mostly in agreement, Paul.
If you want to change my post from:
"Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Jewish-DRIVEN issue, is destroying ..."
to:
"Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Zio-DRIVEN issue, is destroying ..."
or:
"Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Pseudo/Jew-DRIVEN issue, is destroying ..."

I would be happy with the change

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
We are mostly in agreement, Paul.
If you want to change my post from:
"Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Jewish-DRIVEN issue, is destroying ..."
to:
"Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Zio-DRIVEN issue, is destroying ..."
or:
"Multi-culturalism, which is mainly a Pseudo/Jew-DRIVEN issue, is destroying ..."

I would be happy with the change

My point was made. Personally, the clarity of understanding usually matters more to me than the wording of past posts.

[GuyFox]

I agree entirely, Paul.
People can read the whole historical account, to see where the agreement lies

[Rocky_Shorz]

Israel: World must not recognize Palestinian govt



" Reuters
Sunday, 1 June 2014

Israel’s prime minster on Sunday warned against any international rush to recognize a Palestinian government due to be announced under a unity pact between the Fatah and Hamas Islamist groups.

Israel and the West classify Hamas as a terrorist organization and have no official dealings with the movement, which advocates the destruction of the Jewish state.

Meeting Saturday with French peace activists in the West Bank city of Ramallah, where his limited self-rule government is based, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said he expects a joint government of his Fatah party and Hamas Islamists to be announced on June 2.

"We will announce the government the day after tomorrow, it will be formed of technocrats and independents,” he said.



None of the unity government's members would belong to either the Western-backed Fatah, which rules the Israeli-occupied West Bank, or Islamist Hamas, which holds sway in the Gaza Strip, Abbas said.

The formation of the unity of the government would be a completion to a unity deal the two sides agreed to last month.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said he could not confirm that all the details would be completed by Monday.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday urged the world not to recognize the planned move by the Palestinian sides.

"I call on all responsible elements in the international community not to rush to recognize a Palestinian government which has Hamas as part of it and which is dependent on Hamas," Netanyahu, who has said such an administration would be a front for the Islamist group, told his cabinet.

"Hamas is a terrorist organization that calls for Israel's destruction, and the international community must not embrace it. That would not bolster peace, it would strengthen terror," Netanyahu said in public remarks at the cabinet meeting.

Both Hamas and Fatah see benefits to a unity pact, though disagreements have blocked them from achieving such a government for years. The deal would heal a rift that opened between Fatah and Hamas in 2007 when Hamas seized control of Gaza.

Under a strict blockade imposed by neighbors Israel and Egypt, Hamas struggles to prop up Gaza's economy and pay its 40,000 employees. Abbas, for his part, wants to shore up his domestic support since the collapse of U.S.-brokered peace talks with Israel last month.
Israel Threatens Boycott

Israel suspended negotiations with Abbas as soon as he announced a unity deal was in the works on April 23. It has said it would impose economic sanctions against any joint government.

Abbas said Israel "informed us today [Saturday] they would boycott us if we announced the government." He did elaborate on which measures Israel has threatened to take.

A Palestinian official said Israel had denied requests by three Gaza Palestinians expected to be named as ministers to attend the new government’s swearing-in ceremony in the West Bank.

Israel withheld tax revenues from Abbas last month, in retaliation for Abbas signing accords with international organizations, a step Israel said undermined peace talks.

In his remarks on Saturday, Abbas said a joint government with Hamas would continue to abide by his policy of recognizing Israel, though the Islamist group insists it would not change its own policy of rejecting Israel's existence.

Abbas has been keen to assure Western donor countries he will remain the key Palestinian decision-maker and security coordination between his forces and Israel will continue.

Abbas asked Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah on Thursday to head the new unity government, though Fatah and Hamas still disagreed about other cabinet appointments.

In a move seen as boosting control over his party ahead of forming a unity government, Abbas ousted five senior party members on Saturday seen as allied with a leading rival, Mohammed Dahlan, the Palestinian news agency WAFA, said." link

[Rocky_Shorz]

Israel denies Gaza unity government ministers entrance to West Bank

Israel has denied three future Palestinian Authority ministers from the Gaza Strip entry to the West Bank ahead of the unveiling of a new unity government, public radio said on Sunday.

The head of Israel's military administration in the Palestinian territories, Major General Yoav Mordechai, had informed the Palestinians that the three would not be permitted to cross from Gaza to the West Bank, the radio said.

Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday that the line-up of a unity government would be announced Monday, following a delay over who would head the foreign ministry.

He also said Israel had informed the Palestinians that it would "boycott the government."

"Israel wants to punish us because we have agreed with Hamas on this government," he said.

And he also warned in remarks late on Saturday that the Palestinians would respond to every punitive step taken by Israel in respect to the new government.

The three ministers elect had applied to cross from Gaza to the West Bank on Thursday, but their application was immediately rejected, a senior Palestinian official responsible for coordinating exits and entries told AFP.

"We sent the application in on Thursday and explained that these officials are to be sworn in as ministers in Ramallah, but Israel immediately rejected the application," he told AFP on condition of anonymity.

COGAT, the Israeli defense ministry unit responsible for Palestinian civilian coordination, refused to comment on the matter, as did the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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New members of unity govt named

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Seventeen members of a new Palestinian unity government to be announced Monday have been named by well-informed political sources.

They include at least nine new members, while at least eight will remain at their posts from the prior government.

Rami Hamdallah will remain prime minister, according to the sources, and Ziad Abu Amr will be the deputy prime minister and minister of culture.

New members include Mamoun Abu Shahla as minister of labor, Mufeed Hasayneh as minister of public works and housing, and Yusef Idees as minister of endowments and religious affairs.

Nayef Khalaf will be minister of local governance and Riyad al-Maliki will remain the minister of foreign affairs.

Salim al-Saqqa has been named minister of justice, Khawla al-Shakhsheer as minister of education and higher education, and Rula Maaya as minister of tourism.

Allam Moussa will be minister of telecommunication, Shawqu al-Aiysa will be minister of agriculture, and Wael Dweikat will be minister of transportation.

Muhammad Mustafa will remain as deputy prime minister for economic affairs, and Shukri Bishara will stay on as minister of finance.

Furthermore, Jawad Awwad will stay as minister of health, and Adnan al-Husseini is expected to remain minister of Jerusalem affairs.

The unity government will be sworn in on Monday at 1 p.m. in the presidential headquarters in Ramallah, a PLO executive committee member said earlier.

Wasel Abu Yusef told Ma’an that the president’s office sent invitations to PLO executive committee members and ministers to attend the ceremony.

Abu Yusef added that the obstacles that faced the unity government were overcome, as Hamas agreed that al-Malki would stay on as foreign minister, and the issue on the ministry of detainees was resolved.

Hours earlier, a Hamas spokesperson said that no official agreement had been reached to announce the government of national unity, a day after Abbas said it would be formed by Monday.

Sami Abu Zuhri said in a statement that news reports about the possible announcement of the unity government this week were "unilateral," stressing that "there is still disagreement over some points that need to be addressed."

The Hamas official's statements highlight ongoing disputes in the effort to form the national reconciliation government that could potentially end seven years of political division between the two largest Palestinian political parties.

Abu Zuhri said that central to the ongoing disputes is that the Hamas movement continues to have strong reservations about Fatah's insistence on selecting al-Maliki as the minister of foreign affairs.

"Al-Maliki is undesirable from a nationalistic point of view as he used to have very negative stances, especially towards the Gaza Strip," Abu Zuhri said.

Abu Zuhri did, however, point to Hamas' willingness to compromise on the issue, saying that the agreement will move forward regardless and the government will be announced even if al-Maliki remains a cabinet minister.

Abu Zuhri also said that Hamas disagrees with Fatah's suggestion to eliminate the ministry of prisoners’ affairs.

"The prisoners' issue is a national cause which is not restricted to Hamas, and the calls to eliminate the ministry of prisoners' affairs came at the wrong time," he said.

Abu Zuhri highlighted that Hamas would invite all Palestinian parties to a meeting Monday to discuss the prisoners' issue.

An April 23 agreement between Hamas and the PLO paved the way for the formation of a government of national unity for the first time in seven years, but Israel has strongly opposed the deal on the basis that Hamas rejects its right to exist.

Abbas, however, has repeatedly pointed out that the national unity government will adhere to previous PA and PLO policies which recognize Israel.

Israel, in turn, has never recognized the Palestinians' right to exist, and has been reluctant in the past to negotiate with the PA because it did not represent all of the Palestinians, only those in the West Bank, since 2006.

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