Bob Dean Revisited: Commentary on a presentation in Nov/Dec 1992

[swoods_blue]

Hi all,

One of the Project Camelot witnesses I have most enjoyed listening to over the years is Bob Dean, though it's easy to see the toll the years and cigars have taken on this highly respected witness. So I was intrigued when, watching a recent Ammach in America interview with Bob, I recently saw another, older video of a much younger Bob Dean among the vids recommended by YouTube.

This one is obviously rescued from VHS tape, and seems to date (based on contextual clues) to sometime around December 1992/Spring 1993. I wanted to share the link, and maybe try to put together some useful comments on it, looking back from our perspective 21 years hence.

Here is the video:

UFO Cover Up - Robert Dean

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NvBIuLZrFh0

It's striking to see him appear so hale, young and vigorous. Although he, then as now, had a tendency to ramble into sidetracks, and generally meander around his intended path, it's striking to see him recalling details so clearly, and speaking so forcefully. He may already have been one of the "Old Boys," but he was in fighting trim...

Watching this, we can be reminded that this was a different era in all these areas of research. The notion of alien contact was not only unpopular, but even reviled by the general public. Simply getting UFO contact treated seriously, even by the alternative commuity, was uncommon. X-Files hadn't begun its ground-breaking run on FOX.

My own awakening had not yet begun -- I would have been a college student at the time of this speech, and I was very much in a mainstream mindset. At the time, I even attended mass pretty regularly (not that I was ever very dogmatic, but still...). I hadn't yet found Graham Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods," which started prying open my eyes. But as everthing is a preparation in its own way, I _was_ studying history, and that gave me the foundation for my own journey... That's another post, I suppose, but the point is that it's interesting to note what this video says about the times... What things were like then, contrasting them to where things are now, and maybe thinking a bit about Bob's hope and expectations for what things would be like today...

Here's a prediction from his lecture (about 52 minutes in):

I'm going to tell you that I feel, within the next few months, there's going to be a major flap... I think we're going to have a major UFO flap in this country, probably in the Southwest -- very much like the Belgian flap, and very much like the Hudson Valley affair a few years ago -- where we're going to be large triangular-shaped, boomerang-shaped massive objects three and five hundred feet across, slowly flying across the skies of the American Southwest, at low altitude, with no noise... And these objects are going to be enormous, and they're going to be flying in daylight -- not at night, in daylight -- and you're going to be seeing them.

And then, right after that, your government, the one you love and trust, is going to say, "We have some information we'd like to share with you..." And they're going to tell you a little bit about why they've lied to you so much for so long, and how they tried to protect you because they determined that you were not ready or able to deal with this information.

Well, I disagree with that. I strongly and violently disagree with that. We're not sheep. They're treating us like that, but we're not. We're the sheep that are paying the damn bills. We have a right to know these things, and ladies and gentlemen, to use a military term, we have a need to know... because the things that are going to be happening that are going to change your life, and change your world, in a way that you will never imagine, are going to be happening soon -- I say very soon.

We have indeed seen some of the disasters that he forecast for the then-immediate future. One can't deny Katrina, the Indonesian tsunami, Fukushima, many violent storms, the earthquake in Haiti, terrible droughts that have hit Asia, Australia, Texas and California (among other places). And yet... New Orleans is dry again today -- it didnt sink forever beneath the waves. We're managing to deal with most of the disasters we've been dealt. It has been bad, but not quite as cataclysmic as Bob had forseen.

On the other had, where was the awareness of chemtrails, HAARP, mind control tech? If this was part of the landscape for researchers at the time, that's not at all clear from Bob's comments.

And we haven't had the type of disclosure he foresaw, either. Oh, for certain we've had growing awareness. And many mass sightings as well (the Phoenix lights, for example) over the years. But no, the government hasn't come forward with "Big D Disclosure." The lid is down tight, at least officially, though we know that many intentional leaks and protected witnesses have come forward in the years since this lecture.

What is encouraging to me, though, is that the themes of Bob's lectures have remained true to the same messages he was giving 20 years ago (and some of the some stories, phrasing and language as well, to be sure! )

Where does all that leave us?

We've progressed from "Ufology" to "Exopolitics" here, and I think we (Avalonians, at least) all have a better handle on the shape of things than we ever did in 1993. So if you've become awake and aware, the material in Bob's 1992/93 talk is not really ground breaking at all. But it does remind us that at the time, this kind of information WAS breaking new ground, and Bob already had his finger on the disclosure dilemma faced by governments, the religious implications of acknowledging Contact, and collective resistance by the public to this information.

But if Bob really understood the esoteric powers behind the world's governments, he was not really letting on, either. Not much sign of that aspect of things back in '93.

So, I guess I could go on, but I really want the perspective of other Avalonians who have a chance to watch this. Where have we come? What has changed? Are you encouraged, frustrated or both, and why? What are your memories of "the way things were" in 1993? What impressions are you left with?

(And if you can't watch the whole 1:22, I totally understand. But I'll bet if you START watching... heheheh... )

[shadowstalker]

I am sorry but he will never stop being cute, the man is ageless

[kersley]

Maybe cute.. and I do like him.. but nothing has happened.. no crafts in the sky..no ET's nothing???

[The Castellan]

Only 2 ways disclosure will happen.

1: The Aliens finally show themselves.
2: If you are willing to either hold the bad guys or the bad guy's children at gun point.

Those will be the only ways, the bad guys will simply NOT come out with their hands up. If they see they are hopelessly screwed, they are going to consider pressing that shiny, red button.

[swoods_blue]

Posted by kersley (here)
Maybe cute.. and I do like him.. but nothing has happened.. no crafts in the sky..no ET's nothing???

I don't think that's accurate at all. There have been MANY crafts in the sky. And they make it on the local news often enough, as well. Most aren't undeniable, so they're reported with an "ain't that cute -- isn't it mysterious?" tone, and the reporter usually ends with a lame, uncomfortable joke about the phenomenon, and everyone goes about their daily lives the next day... Well, almost everyone.

There have even been sightings that are completely undeniable -- Phoenix comes to mind, but others, too -- and the the mainstream media doesn't really even try to deny they have happened. They just... report and then ignore. It's as if they say, "Here is this amazing story. What could it be?" And then we all move on... Well, almost everyone.

:-)

[The Castellan]

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by kersley (here)
Maybe cute.. and I do like him.. but nothing has happened.. no crafts in the sky..no ET's nothing???

I don't think that's accurate at all. There have been MANY crafts in the sky. And they make it on the local news often enough, as well. Most aren't undeniable, so they're reported with an "ain't that cute -- isn't it mysterious?" tone, and the reporter usually ends with a lame, uncomfortable joke about the phenomenon, and everyone goes about their daily lives the next day... Well, almost everyone.

There have even been sightings that are completely undeniable -- Phoenix comes to mind, but others, too -- and the the mainstream media doesn't really even try to deny they have happened. They just... report and then ignore. It's as if they say, "Here is this amazing story. What could it be?" And then we all move on... Well, almost everyone.

:-)

But until we see them get MUCH closer, and meet the ones driving those things.....it's won't mean anything.....and everyone will just go on paying their taxes and shopping. Plus the fact you got these guys with titles, aka pimply faced nerds in lab coats, and government grants, to invent a 'comfortable' answer for joe public....the infamous 'catbox' image of the face of mars being a good example.

[swoods_blue]

Posted by The Castellan (here)
Only 2 ways disclosure will happen.

1: The Aliens finally show themselves.
2: If you are willing to either hold the bad guys or the bad guy's children at gun point.

Those will be the only ways, the bad guys will simply NOT come out with their hands up. If they see they are hopelessly screwed, they are going to consider pressing that shiny, red button.

I would add a third possibility:

3: We, collectively, demand it.

One way to do this is to begin operating as though Disclosure has happened. In other words, just make this your paradigm. You don't need permission. This contributes to a critical mass of awareness, and I think the prevailing opinion in Avalon-ville is that this is far less than half the population.

[swoods_blue]

Posted by swoods_blue (here)
I really want the perspective of other Avalonians who have a chance to watch this. Where have we come? What has changed? Are you encouraged, frustrated or both, and why? What are your memories of "the way things were" in 1993? What impressions are you left with?

I was hoping to hear some more thoughts from Avalonians who have heard Bob Dean speak, or who know him, and might have insights into the evolution of the research/disclosure community over the past couple decades. Also curious to know which of Bob's predictions you all think have come to pass, and which haven't. Does anyone know Bob's thoughts on these things?

Many thanks in advance.

[The Castellan]

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by The Castellan (here)
Only 2 ways disclosure will happen.

1: The Aliens finally show themselves.
2: If you are willing to either hold the bad guys or the bad guy's children at gun point.

Those will be the only ways, the bad guys will simply NOT come out with their hands up. If they see they are hopelessly screwed, they are going to consider pressing that shiny, red button.

I would add a third possibility:

3: We, collectively, demand it.

One way to do this is to begin operating as though Disclosure has happened. In other words, just make this your paradigm. You don't need permission. This contributes to a critical mass of awareness, and I think the prevailing opinion in Avalon-ville is that this is far less than half the population.

I'll believe that when I actually see it happen. After many, many years of disappointment, this fellow's rather scrutinous of anything akin to 'mass awareness', otherwise it would have happened.

Plus, to me, aliens actually coming down and saying "YO!" is far, far more effective.

[kersley]

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by kersley (here)
Maybe cute.. and I do like him.. but nothing has happened.. no crafts in the sky..no ET's nothing???

I don't think that's accurate at all. There have been MANY crafts in the sky. And they make it on the local news often enough, as well. Most aren't undeniable, so they're reported with an "ain't that cute -- isn't it mysterious?" tone, and the reporter usually ends with a lame, uncomfortable joke about the phenomenon, and everyone goes about their daily lives the next day... Well, almost everyone.

There have even been sightings that are completely undeniable -- Phoenix comes to mind, but others, too -- and the the mainstream media doesn't really even try to deny they have happened. They just... report and then ignore. It's as if they say, "Here is this amazing story. What could it be?" And then we all move on... Well, almost everyone.

:-)

The ain't that cute part .. was meant for Shadowstalker...lol..
Don't get it twisted,, I like Bob and have probably seen all his videos, the best for me is the one he done with Kerry.He said we are not ready?? TPTB don't think we're ready either?

[Bill Ryan]

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Many thanks for this: I'd not seen it. I watched it, and thoroughly enjoyed it... it's valuable testimony, too, because back then Bob's memory was presumably slightly sharper than it is now, 20 years on. I do recommend it.

I did a little sleuthing, btw, and the presentation was at the Second International UFO Congress, at the Hacienda Hotel, Las Vegas, 27 November to 3 December 1992.

[Milneman]

I found this vid about 8 months ago. When I get depressed, or just a little frustrated, I turn on Grampa Bill and watch. He's entertaining, he's grumpy, and he's honest.

One thing I found about this video, not sure if you noticed it, he mentioned something about a cawfuffle he experienced at work and that being the reason he started disclosing (?)... been a while since I saw the video now so my memory might be a little foggy. One gets the sense that he's telling a lot, but withholding a lot as well, sort of the same way that Grandpa withholds the facts about santa claus because he likes the way the kids react on Christmas morning. But also because he's afraid about what that news might do to the kid's. I think Bob knows a lot more than he's disclosed. I think when new information comes out that's either relevant to what he knows, or opens a door to something he knows, he feels a bit more comfortable sharing what he knows. But he never goes all the way. The wandering down the garden path is his way of saying what he wants to say, I think, without violating an agreement perhaps? Not sure. I can only speculate.

Like the late Dr. Leir, Bob is one of our elders. I truly believe he's always had the interests of his family, and humanity, at the heart of what he does and why he does it. I also feel every time I watch him that something very troubling is holding him back from giving away what he really knows. Whether that is self imposed or not, who can say.

[Milneman]

Posted by The Castellan (here)

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by The Castellan (here)
Only 2 ways disclosure will happen.

1: The Aliens finally show themselves.
2: If you are willing to either hold the bad guys or the bad guy's children at gun point.

Those will be the only ways, the bad guys will simply NOT come out with their hands up. If they see they are hopelessly screwed, they are going to consider pressing that shiny, red button.

I would add a third possibility:

3: We, collectively, demand it.

One way to do this is to begin operating as though Disclosure has happened. In other words, just make this your paradigm. You don't need permission. This contributes to a critical mass of awareness, and I think the prevailing opinion in Avalon-ville is that this is far less than half the population.

I'll believe that when I actually see it happen. After many, many years of disappointment, this fellow's rather scrutinous of anything akin to 'mass awareness', otherwise it would have happened.

Plus, to me, aliens actually coming down and saying "YO!" is far, far more effective.

Two things:

1. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
2. re: #1. Be extremely thoughtful for a moment. Consider every person you've met since your birth. Are you with 100% certainty able to say every single person that you have met has been 100% human?

Disclosure is happening right now, but not in the way everyone "considers" disclosure to be. Won't post here, too off topic. pm me Castellan.

[The Castellan]

Posted by Milneman (here)

Posted by The Castellan (here)

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by The Castellan (here)
Only 2 ways disclosure will happen.

1: The Aliens finally show themselves.
2: If you are willing to either hold the bad guys or the bad guy's children at gun point.

Those will be the only ways, the bad guys will simply NOT come out with their hands up. If they see they are hopelessly screwed, they are going to consider pressing that shiny, red button.

I would add a third possibility:

3: We, collectively, demand it.

One way to do this is to begin operating as though Disclosure has happened. In other words, just make this your paradigm. You don't need permission. This contributes to a critical mass of awareness, and I think the prevailing opinion in Avalon-ville is that this is far less than half the population.

I'll believe that when I actually see it happen. After many, many years of disappointment, this fellow's rather scrutinous of anything akin to 'mass awareness', otherwise it would have happened.

Plus, to me, aliens actually coming down and saying "YO!" is far, far more effective.

Two things:

1. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
2. re: #1. Be extremely thoughtful for a moment. Consider every person you've met since your birth. Are you with 100% certainty able to say every single person that you have met has been 100% human?

Disclosure is happening right now, but not in the way everyone "considers" disclosure to be. Won't post here, too off topic. pm me Castellan.

1: I say GOOD, unlike some folks, like your 'grandpa' analogy....I am ready and willing to not just lift the lid of Pandora's box, but to SMASH it to pieces to open it and so no one can close it back up again. Fundamentalist, Orthodox religious leaders can kiss my white ass......it's been people like them that caused so much suffering in the world for thousands of years....I say it's time for them to find another job. And unlike 'grandpa', I am more than ready and willing to say what's happening to say the emperor is NOT wearing clothes....just a naked, fat ass emperor. Hell, I figured out the Santa Clause thing when I was a kid, st. nick and his elves would not put, "Made in Taiwan" on on the box, or the toy.

2: Until one gives 100% damnable proof, I still hold by the notion that the bad guys are pretty much HUMANS who were just smarter monkeys that knew how to howl and shout better than the average monkey, while still having a great big stick, better than the average stick, behind there backs. I go out in public these days, I just feel nasty stuff coming off of people. And trust me, when I see people who talk politics in that guys like Bush and Obama are the ones responsible for everything, who think America is the world, who talk about Kim Kardassian or some other celeb as if they actually mean a damn thing.....chances are these folks are humans. Plus we got too many army grunts and the Selfridge airbase to make finding aliens in the street anything but simple.

And I want disclosure to be out in the open, and Joe Public going, "HOLY SH*T!" type disclosure AND contact......it will certainly help those who were murdered trying to get disclosure and contact possibly rest a bit easier. Plus I want to see the military industrial complex, big oil, and the hardcore orthodox religious leaders finally get tarred and feathers, as it were, you know, justice finally happening for a change and the bad guys finally get their punishment.

[Milneman]

And I want Santa and the Easter Bunny to be real!

[Atlas]

[swoods_blue]

Posted by Milneman (here)
I found this vid about 8 months ago. When I get depressed, or just a little frustrated, I turn on Grampa Bill and watch. He's entertaining, he's grumpy, and he's honest.

One thing I found about this video, not sure if you noticed it, he mentioned something about a cawfuffle he experienced at work and that being the reason he started disclosing (?)... been a while since I saw the video now so my memory might be a little foggy. One gets the sense that he's telling a lot, but withholding a lot as well, sort of the same way that Grandpa withholds the facts about santa claus because he likes the way the kids react on Christmas morning. But also because he's afraid about what that news might do to the kid's. I think Bob knows a lot more than he's disclosed. I think when new information comes out that's either relevant to what he knows, or opens a door to something he knows, he feels a bit more comfortable sharing what he knows. But he never goes all the way. The wandering down the garden path is his way of saying what he wants to say, I think, without violating an agreement perhaps? Not sure. I can only speculate.

Like the late Dr. Leir, Bob is one of our elders. I truly believe he's always had the interests of his family, and humanity, at the heart of what he does and why he does it. I also feel every time I watch him that something very troubling is holding him back from giving away what he really knows. Whether that is self imposed or not, who can say.

Milneman, thanks for the deep thoughts... yes, he does make some hints. He's also clever at mentioning things next to each other to create suggestions, without explicitly saying something that might get him in trouble. I like your insight about his meandering style being perhaps deliberate... Good thought.

I do hope Bob Dean is able to continue giving us food for thought, and perhaps we'll see another ground-breaking interview with him again soon. I agree- he seems to have more info he could share.

[swoods_blue]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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Many thanks for this: I'd not seen it. I watched it, and thoroughly enjoyed it... it's valuable testimony, too, because back then Bob's memory was presumably slightly sharper than it is now, 20 years on. I do recommend it.

I did a little sleuthing, btw, and the presentation was at the Second International UFO Congress, at the Hacienda Hotel, Las Vegas, 27 November to 3 December 1992.

Bill, thanks for the details on that. I really enjoyed watching this too, both for the info it contains and the juxtaposition of the then-and-now. As someone who has talked with Bob many times, I wonder if you have any insight you can share on what led him to believe that disclosure and amazing events would be happening "soon". It _seemed_ to be based on some particular intel. Not that we haven't seen many big things over the years -- we certainly have -- but neither the calamity nor the revelations he seemed to expect came to pass, did they? What are Bob's feelings about the way we've progressed during this period? In 1992, he certainly seemed to expect Big-D disclosure in the near future.

[Spellbound]

For the longest time I have loved hearing and watching Bob Dean do his thing. However, once he said that he was friends with Jesus in a previous lifetime....that put me off. I'm not a religious person (though I did attend to a Christian school between grades 2-8 with bible study every single day). I just can't buy into someone saying they once knew Jesus Christ. Saying things about aliens, ET, or the alien agenda is one thing. Saying you once knew Jesus Christ is a whole 'nother ball of wax at which point he lost me.

Dave - Toronto

[Operator]

Posted by kersley (here)
Maybe cute.. and I do like him.. but nothing has happened.. no crafts in the sky..no ET's nothing???

I just finished listening to this presentation. And I 've found material from the early 90's before from e.g. Bill Cooper.
To be honest I like those guys, especially Bill Cooper, he was the one getting my attention ...

But the more I listen to the 90's material the more I realize we have to take everything we some grains of salt.
Inevitable collapse of economy, natural disasters, imminent disclosure has been preached for more than 20 years
now and it did not manifest in the dramatic way they predicted it. Of course, some of it happened in some way,
shape or form but not as dramatically as was portrayed.

It does not mean that it is never going to happen ever but it indicates that somehow the inevitable disaster could
still be mitigated so far. It could also mean that what was seen by those breakaway groups of the 40's, 50's and
60's was simply wrong and faulty. So despite Robert Dean not being right in '92 it still appear as good news to me.
(although I would like to see some major changes and perhaps that requires drastic triggers)

One thing is very important to keep in mind though: they have the habit of letting us know everything upfront so
they need some channels to reach us. The reason that some of those are not shut up probably means that they
are 'fed' information to keep us focused on what they want. Let's do ourselves a favor and let's watch what the
other hand is doing from time to time.

Another reason why this is happening is that they are leaking information on purpose because 'hard' disclosure
would also include admitting that they have lied for decades. Or the leakage may be caused by white hats trying
to undermine ongoing operations while not being able to speak out openly (like a cola bottle in the moon landing
footage ).