Gordon Duff Stuns the World - In His "for President" Expose

[Snoweagle]

I am astonished at the conflict raised and the discernment lost with the content that Duff presented. Nor am I to criticise the views of others here, however, when I heard the discussion, it meant something else, it was the "what isn't being said" that intrigued me; which I did originally write into my earlier post, but deleted it, as I thought it would be picked up by others.

At the start of the interview, Duff admitted to lying on his bed with back trouble, having just recieved an steroid injection and taken some painkillers. Furthermore, he was drinking strong black coffee, (which lasted for about 30 minutes). His wife was present, certainly during the start, probably concerned over the temperment and frustration that Duff has pent up, probably suggesting he say the safe things publicly, so as to alleviate or displace the dependance "the world" has placed on people LIKE him.

He's a ex US Marine. Done the real stuff. He is a successful business man in the field of corporate spying with satellites and secret stuff, having friends in both camps of good and evil. It is an exclusive position to be in, fraught with continual danger which places a constraining influence on everything he does and says. Whether he knows the truth or not, doesn't matter, especially if the reader or listener excludes any discernmet or active research into his revelations.

So what we heard, I contest, is a data dump. We heard some things that are doing the rounds in higher places. We heard some things that we ARE EXPECTED to accept as being true. We heard criticism of others that are WARNINGS. We heard, and I love this one, the abject MOCKERY of mainstream science (which I concur) and we heard the messianic mockery alluding to his status, by indoctrinated foolish human conditioning, the very thing he set out to squash by this interview I believe. In effect he was concerned at the direction of perception the world has of itself.

He described the activities of rogue nations, of rogue dispora, the negative influence of rogue alternative media, the quiet and diminishing resistance and the corruption of the "understanding" for future generations.

Whether anything he said is true or not, I DO NOT CARE. I will find out in my own time, should I find it necessary to do so.

Our world is a lie. Everything we accept as normal IS NOT NATURAL. There is no higher deity. And virtually everything you (we) believe in is contrary to the natural evolutionary process on Earth (and the cosmos).

So Duffs commentary to me was less insightful but a warning. That is why I left a simple comment to others to investigate some of the "non conforming" science books available from [Projects.Nsearch.com]. Consider, his diatribe a precursor introduction to doing so.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
Damn near every single person that champions Gordon Duff (that i know personally) is a rude insulting arrogant person who cannot think for themselves. This has been my experience,,, sorry.

Well ... I'm not sure what are the nuances of the word "champions" in your statement ... but I do read a fair portion of what Gordon Duff writes with interest, expecting to find some useful information in and amongst the disinformation and dissension.

Sometimes he has what I consider important information, such as the Russian intelligence reports he passed on recently that the WTC twin towers were destroyed primarily by small nukes that the Israeli's recycled and remanufactured from US "discards".

Pretty much all sources at my disposal, including my own brain, are highly imperfect. So, like the down and out person eating from the dumpster behind a restaurant, I take what I can get, knowing full well it may be the death of me yet, from food poisoning or similar.

Correction ... all sources that I am aware of .

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I do pick and choose what to eat in what I can find in the dumpster of life. One thing I have learned that I currently suspect is right: The reasons that my verbal brain offers up for what I choose and what I reject are mostly gibberish.

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P.S. -- I do agree, Jake, that there is a more than ample supply of disinformation and dissension in the writings of Gordon Duff.

This most closely approximates my view of Duff - who I will continue to read without 'championing'.

He is not the only provider of 'food for thought' and well-reasoned arguments about various conspiracy subjects on the VT site, however.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Jake (here)
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...

Gotta agree with this. Well said.

The "anyone who mentions nanothermite is an agent" made me laugh. I must be one of those "sleeper" agents that works in a local library. I am a deadly ninja NSA mind control agent! Mwhahaha! Maybe Gorden can explain to me why the NSA have not paid me yet? Could do with the money!

[mojo]

A while back Duff was the individul promoting the rumor that there was an UFO battle currently happening in the pacific ocean...My question to reporters of the news and not just Duff isnt there a responsibility to the public?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eoATQuRi1EM

[Selene]

Posted by Jake (here)
We need Alex Jones, to be Alex Jones, We need David Icke to be David Icke, We need Bill Ryan to be Bill Ryan, We need Bob Dean to be Bob Dean... What we DON'T need is for anyobody to claim that it is ONLY THEM that can save the world...

Jake.

Damn, Jake. My thanks are simply not enough to express my appreciation here. Your comment goes to the very essence of what we - all of us - are about here.

Write on, my friend. (And everyone on this thread as well, of course!)

Cheers,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

Gordon Duff does not speak off-the-cuff with the precision that someone like Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell or James Corbett speaks, so if I have to make an "adjustment" in his words, consistent with his larger message, to make them more accurate in my interpretation, I do so readily.

As an example, when he said that anyone mentioning nano-thermite was an intelligence agent, I "heard" this as him saying that anyone who championed nano-thermite as the primary cause of the destruction of the WTC towers was "as good as" (perhaps unconsciously and inadvertantly so) an asset of the intelligence agencies covering up 9/11. I entirely agree with this "sympathetic interpretation" of what Duff said, and I have long recommended that anyone who continues to champion nano-thermite as the primary destructive agent used on the WTC towers, and who is not being paid to do so, sue for back pay.

There's just no way in Hades that any form of thermite has either (1) the explosive velocity or (2) the energy density to have been the primary destructive agent that caused the clearly observed and indisputable rapid dustification and/or vaporization with high velocity expelled large structural elements, the nearly instant and total loss of structural integrity of the entire WTC tower supporting steel columns and beams, simultaneously on most floors, much less to have caused the effects best explained as consequences of "exotic energy mechanisms" (which I suspect could include the brief but very high neutron density emissions of small nukes engineered for that effect.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Snoweagle (here)
a warning

Yes - the key message of Gordon Duff is a warning - a seriously important warning.

[GuyFox]

Posted by Paul (here)
Gordon Duff does not speak off-the-cuff with the precision that someone like Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell or James Corbett speaks, so if I have to make an "adjustment" in his words, consistent with his larger message, to make them more accurate in my interpretation, I do so readily.

As an example, when he said that anyone mentioning nano-thermite was an intelligence agent, I "heard" this as him saying that anyone who championed nano-thermite as the primary cause of the destruction of the WTC towers was "as good as" (perhaps unconsciously and inadvertantly so) an asset of the intelligence agencies covering up 9/11. I entirely agree with this "sympathetic interpretation" of what Duff said, and I have long recommended that anyone who continues to champion nano-thermite as the primary destructive agent used on the WTC towers, and who is not being paid to do so, sue for back pay.

There's just no way in Hades that any form of thermite has either (1) the explosive velocity or (2) the energy density to have been the primary destructive agent that caused the clearly observed and indisputable rapid dustification and/or vaporization with high velocity expelled large structural elements, the nearly instant and total loss of structural integrity of the entire WTC tower supporting steel columns and beams, simultaneously on most floors, much less to have caused the effects best explained as consequences of "exotic energy mechanisms" (which I suspect could include the brief but very high neutron density emissions of small nukes engineered for that effect.)

Yes, Paul.
I heard that too, and it bothered me a bit.
I think your "adjusted" interpretation is spot-on.

I heard the Duff Interview two days before my latest with Dr Richard Alan Miller, and I think the summary I was (therefore) able to give in the interview (at 12 minutes in) helped to trigger a much more interesting interview:

(Jump in at 12 minutes - and see if you agree):

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5YQg2ahW46Y

ARE SNOWDEN, and those who helped him WHITE HATS ?
And are the "White Hat Insiders" now cooperating with Russia and China,
to defeat the "shadow secret government" within the US?

NOTES:
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+ NASA, the future of war :
+ The transhuman agenda is turning us into warrior slaves... or eliminating us
+ We need to ask the right questions: What to do with those who cannot become Superhuman, is a dark question, and not the right one to ask
+ We got invaded about 200,000 years ago by something that modified our DNA
+ Aliens are here and they are hiding inside us, IN OUR DNA
+ The battle for our future - and the battle to stay alive - is inside us
+ We need the right intentions ("we are responsible for our own thoughts"), and to set the right example for the young, who we will leave behind to fix the world
+ Good water is maybe more important than good food
+ Water, especially EZ (Exclusion Zone) Water can receive and hold our intentions
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"Near the beginning of the conversation, Dr Miller refers to a presentation done for NASA and some alphabet agencies. I was initially reluctant to go down this path, since it had seemed very dark, and I was unprepared. By the end, I was glad I had done so. Dr Miller, as usual provided a fresh perspective that allows us to see a different path. We can break the pattern of endless war, and constant fear, by finding the courage to look inside ourselves for new questions, new answers and all-important positive intentions. We need to seek a greater appreciation of the importance of Water, the Elixir of Life that swims inside us, and without whose magical properties we would not be God's chosen creatures... of precious imagination, and positive emotion."

Dr Miller was being careful in not fully accepting my summary, and you can read whatever you like into that. But I do think the above summary of our chat shows how Duff's revelations may help to CHANGE THE DEBATE.

[GuyFox]

Posted by mojo (here)
A while back Duff was the individul promoting the rumor that there was an UFO battle currently happening in the pacific ocean...My question to reporters of the news and not just Duff isnt there a responsibility to the public?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eoATQuRi1EM

Er, how do you know that this was NOT going on?
The news that a major Undersea Base may have been "DISCOVERED" (on GoogleMaps) off the coast of Malibu, suggests there may be far more going AT SEA, in the Pacific, than we have been "told" by our media.

You should also listen to this interview by Jimmy Church with Dr Steven Greer:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQ-tlyBJe4

It seems like we are now getting several big revelations per week - and not just on VT. The White Hat Insiders are beginning to behave as if they believe the Time has come, to SPILL THE BEANS ! ... at long last.

Dr Greer alludes to some of the same physics (a bubble following a Submarine) that Dr Miller did in the interview - Dr RAM described it more fully.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Posted by Paul (here)
Gordon Duff does not speak off-the-cuff with the precision that someone like Paul LaViolette, Joseph P. Farrell or James Corbett speaks, so if I have to make an "adjustment" in his words, consistent with his larger message, to make them more accurate in my interpretation, I do so readily.

As an example, when he said that anyone mentioning nano-thermite was an intelligence agent, I "heard" this as him saying that anyone who championed nano-thermite as the primary cause of the destruction of the WTC towers was "as good as" (perhaps unconsciously and inadvertantly so) an asset of the intelligence agencies covering up 9/11. I entirely agree with this "sympathetic interpretation" of what Duff said, and I have long recommended that anyone who continues to champion nano-thermite as the primary destructive agent used on the WTC towers, and who is not being paid to do so, sue for back pay.

You already think I am agent Paul so its no surprise you would jump on this. I will refrain from saying what I think about champions of Judy Wood.

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
I do not waste my time listening to folks whos base message cannot be delivered without destroying, attacking and otherwise, humiliating others in the truther movement. Duff has done himself a permanent dis-service,,, if you ask me. Whatever 'truth' he posits by satire,,, is overwhelmed by his ego, and his insisting that any voice,, (other than his) is misinformation... I smell a rat...

Gotta agree with this. Well said.

The "anyone who mentions nanothermite is an agent" made me laugh. I must be one of those "sleeper" agents that works in a local library. I am a deadly ninja NSA mind control agent! Mwhahaha! Maybe Gorden can explain to me why the NSA have not paid me yet? Could do with the money!

Chill dude. It was a joke. Not everything has to be broken down to the nth degree. If I did sue for back pay, I would get further in the courts than Judy Wood ever did. (Besides which, I think the towers fell via a number of DIFFERENT mechanisms, nuclear AND nanothermite included but NOT space rays. . Anyway... I don't like duff at ALL either. But some of his stuff IS interesting.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Duff needs to get together with the "agents" of Nanothermite and have a debate. Something I would like to see. I really do think there is middle ground here where both could work together so gain a better understanding.

[GuyFox]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
Duff needs to get together with the "agents" of Nanothermite and have a debate. Something I would like to see. I really do think there is middle ground here where both could work together so gain a better understanding.

Jim Fetzer has penned a piece that may settle the matter.
Have you seen it?

[Jake]

Respect, folks,,, respect and dignity towards one another. I just can't get enough!!

Excellent points regarding Gordan Duff. I love that we have some of the smartest folks in the world, right here at Avalon.

I don't want to make any more insults regarding Gordon. ("Be who you are, Gordon!" Jake.)

As i learn to approach Gordons message with an altered attitude, I am learning more and more about our friend Gordon...

Please folks, correct me if I am wrong, but here are a couple of more facts about Gordon Duff... (if it is out of context,, please call me on it!!)

Let's start with a Gordon Duff Quote, shall we?

“About 30% of what’s on Veterans Today is patently false. About 40% of what I write is at least purposely partially false, because if I didn’t write false information, I wouldn’t be alive.“ Gordon Duff!!!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ

(So I am really having a hard time with any argument that suggests that Duff is legit and truthful.)

With that said, here is another fun tid-bit..

There is a group called the Adumus Group, maybe you've heard of it...

Incase you haven't,, here is the lowdown.

"The Adamus Group, which is a worldwide intelligence gathering corporation that manages worldwide databases on behalf of the U.S. NSA (National Security Agency), and then shares their intelligence gathering capability with national intelligence agencies, U.S. law enforcement and the criminal banking giants that have looted the U.S. Treasury and placed the entire savings deposits of Americans, who have their funds in the aforementioned banks, at risk.
American citizens’ deposits have now been categorized as a counter party to the derivative exposure of worldwide banks aka the MF Global-PFG debacle.
Adamus Group aka German Nazi Paperclip is directly tied to the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve and the massive manipulation of worldwide financial markets using electronic software programmed “Next Gen” technology that allows the crooked worldwide banks to have 5 – 7 seconds lead time on all worldwide financial trading.
The Adamus Group is also linked to the control of U.S. media outlets aka CNN, FOX News, NBC, ABC, and the financial network Bloomberg News.
We can now also report that the Adamus Group is under the direct control of former U.S. Vice pResident (German Nazi Paperclip orchestra leader) Dick Cheney and current Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. http://www.fromthetrenchesworldrepor...aperclip/44697"


Here is the VT article announcing that Gordon Duff has been appointed to the American Sector Board of Directors of the Adumus Group...


Now let me ask again... Is this the guy that is touting himself the leader of the truther movement???

By admission,,, 40% of the information coming from VT is disinfo!!! GORDON DUFF MADE IT UP!!!


Morally, I cannot repeat anything Gordon says as fact!!

It has been revealing, though!!!

I need to point out here that just because i am calling out Gorduff,, it doesn't mean that i am Calling YOU out... Just letting you all know that Gorduff is NOT the leader in valid information that folks think that he is!!!

If i'm wrong, then I'm wrong... Please show me where i am wrong...


Love to all,
Jake.

[GuyFox]

NICE TRY, Jake

But no one is buying your edited cut-and-paste

Here's what needs to be done in the US: Get rid of the powerful 1%,
pulling the strings on the US Congress:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=x2nNtynZAiI

Mayve Mr Putin could come to the US after his retirement in Russia

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Jake (here)
By admission,,, 40% of the information coming from VT is disinfo!!! GORDON DUFF MADE IT UP!!!


Morally, I cannot repeat anything Gordon says as fact!!

I can't take anything as fact, just because someone said it .

Over time, various people gain (and lose) credibility, for certain kinds of facts and insights, on certain subjects, ... but all must be weighed in light of my own hunches and observations, and in light of what others bring to the table.

P.S. -- Truth in these matters is difficult to ascertain. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible contradictory things before breakfast.". -- The Queen to Alice, in "Through the Looking-Glass" (Lewis Carroll).

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (here)
If I did sue for back pay, I would get further in the courts than Judy Wood ever did. (Besides which, I think the towers fell via a number of DIFFERENT mechanisms, nuclear AND
nanothermite included but NOT space rays. . Anyway... I don't like duff at ALL either. But some of his stuff IS interesting.

As I've noted earlier in my various replies to these recent "Russian intelligence" leaks by Gordon Duff, pointing the finger at Israeli nukes, my view on Judy Wood's work has changed. In my view, she's still the best compiler of photographic evidence of what happened at the WTC on 9/11, bar none, but I currently figure that the "energy weapons" she finds good evidence of are those nukes. She is not a nuclear bomb physicist.

The evidence against any form of thermite being the primary source of the destructive energy evidenced in the two 10 second intervals when the towers were destroyed is overwhelming and compelling. I continue to find no credibility in conjectures to the contrary.

[Jake]

Posted by GuyFox (here)
NICE TRY, Jake

But no one is buying your edited cut-and-paste

I put into quotes, and have shown my sources to the material that i have shown... The quoted section clearly has the source indicated...


My apologies for the confusing quoting,,, Do you have an opinion on the subject matter that I raised? or just the bad quoting job??


I can spend a lifetime discerning through material from sources.. What am I supposed to make of one of them telling me that almost half of it is NOT the truth? Oh boy,,, Sorry, but i am crossing hem off mee list of valid sources...

(Truth is,, he never was in the first place.)


Please understand, I do not go around bashing Gordon Duff. This discussion is on track, as far as i see it..




Jake.

[Jake]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
By admission,,, 40% of the information coming from VT is disinfo!!! GORDON DUFF MADE IT UP!!!


Morally, I cannot repeat anything Gordon says as fact!!

I can't take anything as fact, just because someone said it .

Over time, various people gain (and lose) credibility, for certain kinds of facts and insights, on certain subjects, ... but all must be weighed in light of my own hunches and observations, and in light of what others bring to the table.

P.S. -- Truth in these matters is difficult to ascertain. "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible contradictory things before breakfast.". -- The Queen to Alice, in "Through the Looking-Glass" (Lewis Carroll).

Of course,, i did not mean to say 'fact',, i meant 'truth' "I cannot repeat anything Gordon Duff says as 'truth'"

(public apologies for the bad quoting job...)

I get it. thank you.. I have to trust my instinct on this one. Perhaps his style of "truth" is not for everyone..

Cheers.
Jake.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Jake (here)
I get it. thank you.. I have to trust my instinct on this one. Perhaps his style of "truth" is not for everyone..

I'd put Gordon Duff on suicide watch if he was ever presented with convincing evidence that his style was "for everyone" <grin>.

[GuyFox]

Okay, Jake.

Here are my precise objections:

+ Why slur Adamus, by calling it "Adumus"? I don't find that funny or clever.

You excerpted the following:

"Tom Heneghan Explosive Intelligence Briefings

UNITED STATES of America - The Adamus Group, which is a worldwide intelligence gathering corporation that manages worldwide databases on behalf of the U.S. NSA (National Security Agency), and then shares their intelligence gathering capability with national intelligence agencies, U.S. law enforcement and the criminal banking giants that have looted the U.S. Treasury and placed the entire savings deposits of Americans, who have their funds in the aforementioned banks, at risk.
American citizens’ deposits have now been categorized as a counter party to the derivative exposure of worldwide banks aka the MF Global-PFG debacle.

Adamus Group aka German Nazi Paperclip is directly tied to the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve and the massive manipulation of worldwide financial markets using electronic software programmed “Next Gen” technology that allows the crooked worldwide banks to have 5 – 7 seconds lead time on all worldwide financial trading."

The part I have bolded is clear disinformation - again: not funny or clever.
Tom Henegan, is a source of (only?) disinformation and misinformation, with very low credibility.

How does this add anything to the discussion?