Fluoride - a conversation with an insider who knows the real story

[Lettherebelight]

I live in the south of England where we have very sadly lost a recent battle in the High court against the South Central Strategic Health Authority. This is in spite of 70% of citizens surveyed opposing the plan for fluoridation. As of now we will be receiving fluoridated water whether we want it or not.

The group, Hampshire against Fluoridation (HAF) fought valiantly on purely scientific grounds for three years. It would appear that your source is correct, Bill, there seems to be very little anyone can do to halt the spread of fluoridation in the UK.

[Lettherebelight]

I would like to warn other UK citizens, that the South Central Strategic Health Authority (SCSHA), was created solely for the purpose of implementing fluoridation. It was due to be dissolved as a group in a matter of weeks. Be on the look out for other 'Strategic Health Authorities' popping up out of no where in your area. This was a pilot run of the program, we almost had them beat.

But I think Bill's source was spot on in recommending lobbying the government in as many numbers as possible. This may be the only course of action to take, as they are not interested in listening to small groups of well mannered professionals voicing logical and scientific opposition.

Here's the HAF website:

http://hampshireagainstfluoridation.blogspot.com/

In response to the case the High Court has said that no court can interfere with the Strategic Health Authority (SHA) and their plans for fluoridating water supplies.

[buffski]

Hi Lettherebelight... have there been any protest demos at the plants where it gets added yet?

[Lettherebelight]

Not yet, but that's a good shout, Buffski. The actual equipment is not in place yet, the local council will be responsible for it's installation.

Makes you laugh though,it's going to cost the local authority thousands and thousands, yet they've just had to make many cuts and redundancies in council jobs recently. Where is the money coming from?!

[buffski]

sabotage? just a random thought....sit on the pipe. x

[Lettherebelight]

Yeah, or refuse to pay the water bill? (another recent introduction by water companies, water meters)

Here are links to videos of HAF opposition, and Prof. Paul Connett (chemistry, St Lawrence University , New York) speaking in Southampton:

http://hafvideos.blogspot.com/

[sheddie]

Thank you for letting us know lettherebelight..........

Damn, I have been watching this and waiting for the verdict. I live in the Cotswolds and we could be next! This is sooooo not okay. I should imagine other authorities were watching and waiting for the verdict before acting. We need to work out a plan to inform the public. Any ideas anyone?

x

[4th Sky]

I live in Calgary, AB and as another poster mentioned, City council voted last week to discontinue adding Fluoride to the water.

If someone has the idea to attempt something similar in their municipality you may want to take note of the materials that were used in this particular decision so that you know what kind of information will be taken seriously. The following link is to the City of Calgary council agenda for Feb 7, 2010. Scroll down to the item 9.3.1 and click the link to get a list of pdf materials that were used in the argument against fluoride.

http://agendaminutes.calgary.ca/sire...doctype=AGENDA

It's important to note that timing is everything. The real push behind the change was not just for health reasons, but the fact that the fluoride systems in two water treatment plants were due for an upgrade at a cost of 2-5 million dollars. Also there's about a 600k yearly cost to keep the water fluoridated. At a time where the city is looking to cut costs this is a great thing to give the axe to. However you have to overcome the public perception that you are jeopardizing citizen health by removing the fluoride.That's where the materials I linked come in to play in your own municipalities. Time your actions to save the city money and use the materials and methods in the link to overcome the health perceptions and you can win the fluoridation battle.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I distill my water and then remineralise it with a few items (one is sea salt for fish tanks to create sea water but ina much lower ppm rate as sea water has HIGH levels of Magnesium) and then vortex it...

A lot of good water info is on the original water thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7340

Not sure if a thread here contains this info or not...

[Unified Serenity]

I like the Berkey water filters. They are reasonably priced and this filter will remove arsenic and fluoride.

http://www.berkeywaterfilterstore.co...c-flouride.php

[Frederick Jackson]

Posted by JoshERTW (here)
I'm trained as a water resource engineer - I have worked in water treatment facilities, and designed them (though only in an academic setting). I do however design water infrastructure and can assure you that municipalities are extremely protective of their water systems and the possibility of any contamination.

One thing I can guarantee you, bottled water is not more clean. This is the advertising campaign they have used for years. Municipal water treatment facilities cost many millions of dollars to build. Water bottling plants use far less sophisticated technology - if your local plant uses membrane filters or UV technology (if its been built or upgraded in the last 5-10 years it might) then you've probably got the cleanest drinking water available to humans. Even the older technologies (filter beds and chlorination - the latter of which is still used even in the new plants as a failsafe against bacteria) are superior to what the bottled water industry uses.

This is because municipal water is subjected to daily testing at point sources, constant quality monitoring using sophisticated hardware inside the plant itself. Alarms go off if certain levels are exceeded - i.e. turbidity which is the 'suspended particles' in the water, and if the alarm is going off, the naked eye will not be able to see these particles generally. Municipal water is subjected to borderline insane levels of third party scrutiny before it reaches your taps - at least since Walkerton.

If you don't believe me ask your local treatment plant to take you on a tour. Then ask a water bottling company for the same deal. Bet you wont get past the front desk on the second one, and even if you do, you will still be amazed at the stark contrast in technology, cleanliness and the like.

All this is before you account for the plastic leaching into the water from the bottles themselves too. Most bottled water also has fluordie by the way, while municipal water has it less and less - though as the title of this thread suggests its still around.

If anyone has any questions on this, and I have not proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to you that bottled water is a scam, please PM me and I will send you some links to video's / legal documents etc. Don't have it at my finger tips but can provide on request.

Edit: And if this doesn't convince you, at least you can still drink beer!

Absolutely. A Washington Post article 25 years ago did a comprehensive quantitative analysis of bottled waters and City of Alexandria (Virginia) tap water. Of all the bottled waters the cheapest ranked best. This was Giant foodstore brand. But the tap water far exceeded ALL bottled water for quality. Fluoride? Some bottle water comes right from a city water supply, so who knows. And then there is the toxic effect of the PB-A in the plastic bottles, ironically acting in much the same way as the fluoride in the tap water, as endocrine disruptors: Either way your fertility is going to be reduced.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Paul (here)
I am presently on the lookout for a good way to increase the magnesium content of my drinking water. What I add back in presently has no magnesium.

Well, it took three years, but I found a way to increase the magnesium content of my drinking water.

Karen Vaughan has a good description of the process at How to Make Magnesium Bicarbonate Water.

One can get the "soda water" (water with lots of dissolved carbon dioxide) in a liter bottle at the store, or one can make it using a SodaStream (for gadget addicts such as myself.)

It happens that (1) many magnesium salts don't dissolve very well in water, but that (2) magnesium bicarbonate not only dissolves in water, but exists -only- in aqueous solution. As explained here, trying to dry a magnesium bicarbonate solution causes the magnesium bicarbonate to decompose, yielding magnesium carbonate, carbon dioxide, and water. The key to essential mineral supplementation is to use forms that dissolve in water, and in the case of magnesium, this bicarbonate solution is the definite winner.

... of course, I haven't forsaken my favorite means of magnesium supplementation - chocolate .

Presently I am putting the following into each 64 ounces of purified (RO, as described here, then distilled) water, to make my drinking water:

• 1 Tablespoon of Sole (saturated Redmond Real Salt solution)
• Approx 1 Tablespoon of Willard's Water
• Approx 1 or 2 Tablespoon's of the above full strength magnesium bicarbonate solution.
• 1 Tablespoon of potassium bicarbonate (from nuts.com)
• 1 teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)

I end up with approx 300 to 400 parts per million of dissolved solids, using my little TDS meter. The exact amount is not critical, in my view, as the kidneys can easily adjust the mineral concentrations of urine it outputs in order to achieve the desired balances remaining in the body, just so long as it has an ample, but not overwhelming, supply of the necessary inputs of good water and the various minerals, and a minimum of the various undesirable toxins in most bottled or municipal water.

I am also experimenting with strong magnets on both my blender and my Sole jar. I have no "scientific" way of measuring the results, but I suppose that the magnets will help restructure the water in a healthy way.

For the video lovers, here are a couple of relevant Youtube videos:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-kVFjQ-ZrEs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WMsxcZIXDxc

[Hervé]

The Lancet: Fluoride IS a Neurotoxin!

Dees Illustration Catherine J. Frompovich

Activist Post

Who would have thought that it ever would have happened? Someone in mainstream medicine and peer reviewed literature and journals would publish the ‘unthinkable’: fluoride, the stuff they put into municipal water supplies supposedly to ‘protect’ teeth from cavities, is a neurotoxin. Wow! And congratulations to doctors Philippe Grandjean, MD, and Philip J Landrigan, MD, two researchers who published their findings in The Lancet Neurology, Volume 13, Issue 3, Pages 330 to 338, March 2014. [1]

In the Summary published for their article, it states that

Neurodevelopmental disabilities, including autism, attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, dyslexia, and other cognitive impairments, affect millions of children worldwide, and some diagnoses seem to be increasing in frequency. [CJF emphasis added]

Probably nothing more can confirm that as scientific, demographic, and the horrible truth! And, everyone—not just children—are paying the consequences for all chemical exposures. Now let’s see if Drs. Granjean and Landrigan will have the scientific integrity to expose neurotoxins in vaccines for what they truly are. I’d like to give them a reference where to start looking for ideas: My 2013 book Vaccination Voodoo, What YOU Don’t Know About Vaccines, available on Amazon.com.

In that book I also mention fluoride. Why? Because what is not documented by peer reviewed ‘science’ journals is the chemical interaction(s) between fluoride and vaccine neurotoxins and other vaccine chemicals. Add to that list, the chemicals we are forced to eat in our food, especially glyphosate from inordinate spraying of genetically modified crops such as corn, sugar beets, soy, canola, alfalfa animal feed, and possibly squash and potatoes.

Add to that all the herbicides, fungicides, pesticides, etc. that are sprayed on fruits, vegetables, and animal feeds that get into the food chain BIG time. For more information about those “…cides,” which are intended to kill life forms, readers and both doctors may want to read my 2010 book Our Chemical Lives And The Hijacking Of Our DNA, A Probe Into What’s Probably Making Us Sick, also available on Amazon.com.

Any chemical whose purpose is to kill a life form must be considered as a neurotoxin, endocrine disruptor, or carcinogen – at a minimum – in my opinion as a consumer health researcher for almost 37 years.

Not to digress from the importance of this article about fluoride, but the USA can put a nation back to work by cleaning up the environment from toxicity once the chemical and pharmaceutical industries are exposed for what they truly are: Biohazards!

Here’s a short YouTube regarding fluoridation of water in other countries.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SBnu76__LZE

According to the British Fluoridation Society as of November 2012 [2], the following countries fluoridate portions of their population:

So, what has the addition of fluoride to municipal water supplies done for human health? Not very much, except cause health problems [3], including:

• A Harvard study shows that fluoride lowers IQ in children. [4] [6]
• Crippling bone disease, i.e., skeletal fluorosis [5]
• Severe dental fluorosis, instead of protecting teeth. If you don’t know what that looks like, here’s a file showing dental fluorosis.

One would think with the publication in 2010 that kid’s IQs are adversely and negatively impacted, federal, state and city governments would have stopped municipal water fluoridation immediately. No! they have not, and it’s now 2014. Does that mean that water fluoridation has a purpose which is not being acknowledged? Could it be the deliberate dumbing-down of the U.S. population? Or, could it be to make more business for dentists, doctors, and the pharmaceutical industry? What do you think?


Notes:
[1] http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laneur/article/PIIS1474-4422(13)70278-3/fulltext#article_upsell

[2] http://fluoridealert.org/content/bfs-2012/

[3] http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

[4] http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...-children.aspx

[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeletal_fluorosis

[6] http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/wp-content/...hp.1104912.pdf


Resource:
Dr. Rima Truth Reports / Fluoride Facts and Myths
http://drrimatruthreports.com/fluoride-facts-and-myths/

Catherine J Frompovich (website) is a retired natural nutritionist who earned advanced degrees in Nutrition and Holistic Health Sciences, Certification in Orthomolecular Theory and Practice plus Paralegal Studies. Her work has been published in national and airline magazines since the early 1980s. Catherine authored numerous books on health issues along with co-authoring papers and monographs with physicians, nurses, and holistic healthcare professionals. She has been a consumer healthcare researcher 35 years and counting.

[Pam]

Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
I live in the south of England where we have very sadly lost a recent battle in the High court against the South Central Strategic Health Authority. This is in spite of 70% of citizens surveyed opposing the plan for fluoridation. As of now we will be receiving fluoridated water whether we want it or not.

The group, Hampshire against Fluoridation (HAF) fought valiantly on purely scientific grounds for three years. It would appear that your source is correct, Bill, there seems to be very little anyone can do to halt the spread of fluoridation in the UK.

It blows my mind that flouride in water would actually be initiated in this day and age. There is increasing urgency to dumb down the populous. How can that be that 70 % of citizens don't want that crap in there water and its going in anyway. Are we supposed to be so stupid that we believe these fumbling governments that can barely function are greatly concerned about our dental health? I am so frustrated with all this crap. I am so sorry for you. Watch out for bottled water as well.

[Pam]

I wanted to add something I found interesting from a Dr. Mercola article I read today. The article is about thyroid disfunction but I found this portion very interesting. He is interviewing Dr. Jonathan Wright in the article.




Thyroid disease is one of the most common health problems we face today. From a practical standpoint, there are many ways to approach this issue. In this interview, Dr. Jonathan Wright, a pioneer in natural medicine, shares his protocols for addressing thyroid dysfunction.

Hypothyroidism, or underactive thyroid, is a very common problem, and there are many reasons for this, including drinking chlorinated and fluoridated water, and eating brominated flour.

Chlorine, fluoride, and bromine are all in the same family as iodine, and can displace iodine in your thyroid gland.

Secondly, many people simply aren't getting enough iodine in their diet to begin with. The amount you get from iodized salt is just barely enough to prevent you from getting a goiter.

A third principal cause of hypothyroidism is related to elevated reverse T3 levels. Interestingly, 95 percent of the time, those with elevated reverse T3 levels will see their levels revert back to normal after undergoing chelation with EDTA and DMPS, which draw out cadmium, lead, mercury, and other toxic metals. In essence, heavy metal toxicity can cause a functional form of hypothyroidism.

"It's very well-known that lead and cadmium interfere with testosterone production," Dr. Wright says. "What's not so well-known is that reverse T3 is stimulated by toxic metals, so up it goes.

In effect, we can have levels that are so high, they way outnumber the regular T3. You're functionally hypothyroid even if your TSHs and free T3s happen to be normal."







So not only does flouride dumb you down, it depletes your thyroid of iodine.

[Lettherebelight]

Just as an update on the situation here in Hampshire, after meeting with much opposition, the Southwest Strategic Health Authority(SWSHA) was unsuccessful in implementing the plan to flouridate the public water supply. They were disbanded according to the time limit they were given to exist.

Now Public Health England (PHE), will deal with any plans for flouridation. If they take the matter up again, they will meet with continued public opposition and will have to go to court against the people of Hampshire.

If you live in England, have you heard of the PHE? I have not until this year. Southern Water has said that although they do not fluoridate water in Hampshire at present, if they are ordered to by the PHE, they would be obliged to do so, as they are a government group, even though they are non-elected.

[Pam]

I am happy for the victory in Hampshire!!!!

This is another positive thing that I saw today regarding fluoridation of water. Apparently Costco, a very popular big box store in the US has an article in this months members monthly magazine debating the pros and cons of fluoride!!!!!I received this email today from Fluoride news:


It is so uplifting to see this issue come to the masses. I have been laughed at and ridiculed for years for taking a stand regarding fluoride, in the workplace as a nurse and personally. Now the truth seems to be finding its way to the light.



Costco Fluoridation Article & Poll

The largest food wholesaler in the world, with a membership of over 70 million, included an article on fluoridation in their monthly magazine that goes out to their members. The June article, entitled “Should Community Drinking Water Be Fluoridated?” features contrasting arguments on the practice from American Dental Association spokesman Howard Pollick, BDS, MPH, and FAN’s Director Paul Connett, PhD.

On the right hand side of the article is a poll question on fluoridation. The results will appear in the July issue of the publication. Please take a moment to vote NO on water fluoridation.

[Violet]

0.093 mg/l fluoride in Belgian tap water. Is that bad or very bad?

Also what do the dry residue numbers mean?

source: http://www.hidrodoe.be/over-water/wa.../samenstelling

[onawah]

Here's the link for the Costco article, and you can vote for or against fluoridation there, as well:
http://www.costcoconnection.com/connection/201406#pg21

[ThePythonicCow]

Some good news: Lancet: Flouride OFFICIALLY classified as a neurotoxin... It's about time!! .