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    Quote Posted by giovonni (here)
    Aha ...

    i believe these two forum members post articulate and sum up the current situation within the United States ... And quite so perhaps for all of humans living within the current dying paradigm ... whether awoke or asleep ...

    Lifted from another current forum Thread ...

    First from Curt

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    Most Americans know something is wrong but don't have the knowledge, the resources or the time to figure out that we've been hijacked by a faceless cabal of global oligarchs who literally want most of us dead...

    In fairness, this is a hard reality to face when you've grown up on a steady diet of Mickey Mouse... and stories about the glory days of Washington, Lincoln, and FDR.

    The truth is we face an assault on all sides. Our dollar is being devalued. Our minds are being harassed and controlled; our bodies are being poisoned, fattened and sterilized.

    Our media is the most wretched outside of state TV in China. Our education system is abhorrent. 90% of us don't know the difference between socialism and democracy, much less democracy and a republic.

    We're being fluoridated and dosed with heavy metals and toxins and fed genetically altered frankenfood.

    We pay $2000 to go to the dentist for a root canal (after insurance).

    It costs 75K to get an undergraduate degree. A huge proportion of Americans have to borrow money each month just to pay the interest on credit debt (which was itself accrued to pay for living expenses)...and our real wages haven't gone up since the 70's.

    We have vast unemployment, and underemployment, just like Europe, except with virtually no safety net. Those who have good paying jobs are taxed at asinine levels, which is odd because we don't really receive anything in return for this money as our infrastructure is caving in all around us.

    And we don't get vacations, or reasonable amounts of sick time, or reasonable family leave when we have children. And any health concern greater than tonsillitis will very often result in personal bankruptcy.

    Our government is abysmally corrupt... like third world banana republic corrupt. We have the biggest inequity in wealth of any country in the world.

    We've been targeted. We've been taken out. We're mob-hit victims bleeding in the street.

    We don't have much time to consider how it got this way because we're trying to stay alive.

    So cut us, and yourself, some slack.


    And finally from Kevin (the gripreaper)

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    I want to answer the question in the OP, within the overall context of the United States and it’s people.

    Our forefathers braved the oceans and came to this continent to escape tyranny and oppression, the divisiveness and control which has existed on this planet for eons, not specific to the United States. Remember, this country is only a little over 200 years old, and from the very beginning, the founding fathers were a mixed bag of elitists with ties to the crown, died in the wool freemasons, hell bent on making this country an agent of the Vatican and the banksters, while the rest of the delegates did want freedom and liberty.

    This battle raged on for the first century, when the banksters finally gained their foothold, through wars and debt. Once the 1913 Federal Reserve Act was passed, the banksters had control. The United States has been under a military state of emergency since the mid 1800’s, all citizens were made wards of the state, chattel for the bankruptcy, and the globalist banksters have controlled all aspects of industry, education, government, media, and religion ever since.

    To say that US citizens are rampantly consumerist misses the point, considering that the debt based fiat monetary system is designed to cannibalize resources through imperialistic expansion and slavery. After the great depression of the 1930’s, where money per capita in circulation was reduced to about 3 dollars per person, it became almost impossible to survive and function until Roosevelt gave us the New Deal under social security, and other entitlements. We were sold a bill of goods in exchange for our labor “in perpetuity” to the banksters.

    The main reason the United States was ALLOWED to prosper so extensively in the last 70 years since then, is because the elite needed an educated work force to back engineer the stellar technology and to implement their covert black op’s agendas within a rapid timeline, based on a perceived threat and the need to bring the planet up to speed with other off world technology.

    Consider taking about 100 million people with a gross GDP of about 3.5 trillion a year at the turn of the last century, to 300 million people and a GDP of 17 trillion a year today. This happened because it was engineered to happen, a collateral side effect being consumerism. Although it appears that US citizens are spoiled and have wealth, none of us own anything or hold allodial fee simple title to any tangible assets, and none of the fiat currency we hold in savings has any intrinsic value.

    We have been duped, lied to, covertly and overtly manipulated, and used to create the most massive underground economy and technology known to this planet, providing the globalists with the largest mercenary military force for their colonialistic imperialism to rape and pillage the entire planet. The corporatocracy is NOT United States specific, but it is global is scope, and couching the debate as nationalistic misses the point and focuses on the citizens of the United States rather than the true culprits of the demise.

    The demise of modern western societies is NOT United States specific, and neither is the imminent transformation taking place. It is engineered globally, is a global phenomenon, and affects all of us globally, and is slated to come to a town near you, if it hasn’t already.

    The expansion of the United States was engineered, and so is the collapse of the United States an engineered phenomenon. Nothing happens by accident and the populace has nothing to say about it and how their futures are to be guided until we lose the nationalistic blame game and stand as one human species all around the world and realize the problem is global, and not national. The elite have NO nationalistic tendencies or proclivities, and we should not either.

    Most people in the United States are good people, just like the people in Iraq and Syria, or Israel or Russia. They are just like you and me, and are awakening to the globalist agenda more and more each day. If you want to know what you can do about it, go outside and talk to your next door neighbor about the globalist agenda. Keep studying and learning and sharing, and doing what you can to NO LONGER support the globalist corporatocracy. ALL OF US are in the same boat. We each need to do our part to starve the beast and awaken our neighbors.

    Creating divisiveness and pointing the finger at US citizens is part of the divisive agenda, the same agenda the elite use. The United States does not deserve the trouble flowing their way any more than any other nation. Let us rise above and take the higher ground, and work on what unites us all and not focus on any one segment of humanity and how they are different, or what they deserve or don't deserve.

    The very word "deserve" implies an agenda, meting out rewards or punishment based on behavior, or a set of relativistic values and morals, decided by whom? Who deserves to be at the top of the power pyramid, and who deserves to be at the bottom? We need to move away from the pyramidal power structures of the last several millennium, with the elite at the top an all of us at the bottom, and the corporations and banks in the middle.

    I think all of us are sick of war and debt, aren't we?
    Ah!

    The article fits into what is happening with Americans trying and getting pushed around as is one of the points brought up in this thread and a few others:

    http://metrotimes.com/covers/nipped-...-bud-1.1700736

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    That leaves the federal government as the vector of citizen's critical action. Dennis
    You know, I've tried to wrap my head around this idea, but until we get the actual context of what we are dealing with, I can't get past the fact that we are no longer a sovereign nation, that we are under the control of the United Nations, that we have no say in any of the policies which are administered through the bankrupt entity which has abrogated all sovereignty, has pledged us all as chattel, has hypoticated all tangibles, has rendered us mute and wards of the state, under a military state of emergency, AND NOTHING is like it seems.

    Please avail yourselves of this half hour mp3 by Rod Class to get a bare bones context of what we are dealing with. THEN I want to hear your ideas.

    http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-48361/TS-870984.mp3
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    hmm ...

    i am not a conspiracy theorist but ...

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    "A man driving on a freeway coming out of Alabama in southern Georgia took this video of at least two flat-back trucks, each carrying two brand-new white armored cars bearing the letters “UN” in black."

    "One sharp-eyed reader on YouTube observed that the vehicles “appear to have M231 port firing weapon ports on them.”

    Published June 15, 2014



    "The United States is a sovereign country, not under the UN’s jurisdiction. There can be NO legitimate reason why armored trucks of the United Nations should be on American soil, unless the UN vehicles had been manufactured here and are being transported by truck to a port for shipping overseas.

    But the “Made in Alabama” website’s page on “Alabama auto family: A look at the models produced in the state”
    does not include armored trucks as a model that’s manufactured in Alabama, nor does it make mention of doing any manufacturing for the United Nations. When I ran a search for “armored vehicles” on the “Made in Alabama” website, the only thing that came up is an armored version of the Mercedes-Benz M-Class that looks nothing like the UN armored cars"...



    "What I find perhaps even more interesting is the fact that the two trucks carrying the UN armored vehicles have no lettering on them indicating their company’s name. The trucks are also painted UN blue."





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    Quote The United States is a sovereign country, not under the UN’s jurisdiction. There can be NO legitimate reason why armored trucks of the United Nations should be on American soil
    NO THE UNITED STATES IS NOT A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY. IT IS UNDER UN JURISDICTION! Until we understand our own history, and realize what has happened since the mid 1800's, WE CAN'T CHANGE IT!

    http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-48361/TS-870984.mp3
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    Quote no the united states is not a sovereign country. It is under un jurisdiction! Until we understand our own history, and realize what has happened since the mid 1800's, we can't change it!
    Bingo !!! !!!

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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Quote Posted by gripreaper (here)
    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    That leaves the federal government as the vector of citizen's critical action. Dennis
    You know, I've tried to wrap my head around this idea, but until we get the actual context of what we are dealing with, I can't get past the fact that we are no longer a sovereign nation, that we are under the control of the United Nations, that we have no say in any of the policies which are administered through the bankrupt entity which has abrogated all sovereignty, has pledged us all as chattel, has hypoticated all tangibles, has rendered us mute and wards of the state, under a military state of emergency, AND NOTHING is like it seems.

    Please avail yourselves of this half hour mp3 by Rod Class to get a bare bones context of what we are dealing with. THEN I want to hear your ideas.

    http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-48361/TS-870984.mp3
    US citizens, standing on the outside of the federal government, and screaming at the walls (or even shooting a few waves of federal mercenaries or UN mercenaries for that matter), is not a working strategy for US citizens to gain control of the US federal government. Screaming (protesting) and voting have had zero effect over the course of my life. An attempted violent takeover by a citizen militia would have an effect, but not a positive outcome from a US citizen standpoint: many, many US citizens killed; some US military/militarized police/maybe even UN soldiers killed, many US citizens disappeared into prisons or killed in the blowback, guns confiscated... - but not one international banker would be late for his massage or have to skip dessert. War is what they do best. It is their "long and strong suit." A violent force is what they are best equipped to deal with. There has never been a better technologically equipped military force, and more importantly, it is impossible for a large and geographically wide citizen militia to communicate with one another secretly. The top of the pyramid is filled with globalist sociopaths who will not relent, and will not shed a tear when their waves of mercenary human barricade (military, police, political puppets, etc.) are killed. It is impossible to get to the problem with bullets.

    The courts are full of Elite-aligned criminals, from the top down, so there is no court/high-court/legal way out of this either. The result of Chris Hedges, et al, vs Obama - regarding provisions of the NDAA - should be strong proof that the high courts obey their militarist/corporatist/bankster masters, nothing more.

    What doesn't/won't work, a recap:
    • voting
    • protest
    • violent overthrow
    • legal/court battle

    let's add some more:
    • "working on oneself", praying, meditating, being a loving compassionate person (all good stuff, but completely ineffective against THIS problem)
    • forming intentional communities or going the self-sufficient off-grid route (again, good stuff, but no effect whatsoever on the problem)
    • expatriating (may be wise, but does not address the problem)
    • trying to foment a global movement against the globalists (c'mon, we haven't even shown that we can foment a movement against our city councils)
    • demand that our state governors call a constitutional convention (right, our demoncrat and rethuglican Elite-controlled governors are going to do that*)

    *(another of the many things that "almost" happen, but not quite. Gee, could there be a pattern here?)

    The facts (City of London, Vatican City, District of Columbia, UN, semi-esoteric Supreme Court rulings, Executive Orders, etc.) are hidden from the US citizenry. Yuo can say they are hidden in plain sight, but the intent is to hide these from the citizenry, and operate as if the US is a sovereign nation. This is good and bad. Bad, because, well, the reality is that we are not a sovereign nation. Good, because US citizens generally don't know any real history or its ramifications, the great masses of US citizens will act "as if." (As if this is a sovereign nation, a constitutional republic, and with democratically elected representatives and leaders.)

    (The idea behind The Reset Button): Once the minions of the Elite are ousted, and ordinary US citizens with no corporate/banking ties are in all offices of governance, THEN and only then, could any real change take place... such as dis-incorporating the corporate USA, Inc., casting off the Federal Reserve and overturning/negating any laws/provisions/rulings that empower the global Elite and relinquish our sovereignty.

    It is going to take something really BIG to oust these illegitimate bastards and take over, and it won't be constitutional esoterica argued in one of their phony courtrooms. I also am completely convinced it must be done non-violently, as they could simply run their illegitimate government from a bunker for decades, while their military forces fill the streets with our blood. We have to be smarter than to give them exactly what they want.

    Dennis


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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Well, well, well...

    Good questions which answers are worth looking for... and like any symptoms, it's rather better to dig to the root cause(s) that created the problem in view of determing THE solution which would change "history's" course... right?

    So, what's the problem?

    Well, there's a prevalent "apathy" spreading across this planet and diagnosed via its inherent symptom of "Why bother do anything, it's useless any way!"

    The first thing to know about that state of mind of a large population is that it's been intended:

    How was that implemented?

    Mostly through three (3) main avenues:
    • volatile economics and financial stress
    • Assured mutual atomic annihilation with the set up of the cold war and,
    • Biblical end of the world is soon to be upon us... like, tomorrow...
    ... and, with that, American and other population's collective unconscious got hit with a "NO FUTURE -- NO TOMORROW" hypnotic implant accumulated over THREE (3) GENERATIONS!

    So, with that, any wonder there's an "After us, the end of the world!" and/or "Make the most of it now" along with the "Why bother to do anything, it's useless anyway!" attitude spreading around?

    Then came the "amplifiers" with water fluoridation, GMOs, Vaccines, prescription drugs, EMF broadcasts, synthetic telepathy of "next-day catastrophes" or short term global warming/floods, invasion of nasty ETs, etc... and re-triggered now and then with Nibiru, asteroids, comets, WW III, etc...

    See?

    What to do about it?

    Demonstrate it's all been a lie, again and again!

    Like: "How can there be an end of the world when you are an immortal being?"

    Instead, that blood-gorged mosquito... err... vampire... maintains "us" in sleepless states, worrying about health of bodies, finances, WW III while pursuing its usual business...

    Thus, the "controllers" got full control over the (potential) opposition... while increasing the size of its private armies of mercenaries by means of fiat currencies.

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    Open Borders and the Transhumanist Agenda ...

    "An interesting (11 minute segment) of a longer conversation today with David Icke and Alex Jones, who discuss the emerging crisis of personal and national self identity in a world that's being told to no longer be individuals."


    Published on Jun 23, 2014

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    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    (The idea behind The Reset Button): Once the minions of the Elite are ousted, and ordinary US citizens with no corporate/banking ties are in all offices of governance, THEN and only then, could any real change take place... such as dis-incorporating the corporate USA, Inc., casting off the Federal Reserve and overturning/negating any laws/provisions/rulings that empower the global Elite and relinquish our sovereignty.

    It is going to take something really BIG to oust these illegitimate bastards and take over, and it won't be constitutional esoterica argued in one of their phony courtrooms. I also am completely convinced it must be done non-violently, as they could simply run their illegitimate government from a bunker for decades, while their military forces fill the streets with our blood. We have to be smarter than to give them exactly what they want.

    Dennis
    I get it, but do the employees of a corporation really have any say in how the corporation is run? Corporations have owners, the "preferred" shareholders who are on the board of directors. The board (elite global alien psychopathic banksters) determines who the chief executives (president, congress, judges) and administrators (alphabet agencies) are, and they determine how the different departments are to execute the business plan.

    And what is the business plan? To extract all wealth and resources from all of it's employees for the benefit of the corporation and the interests of it's owners. The employees (citizens) do not have a union to go up against the owners, and do not even realize that they are employees and are running the company store via the corporate mandates. The employees don't even have any common shares in the company any more.

    They "think" they are free, they think they actually have a say in corporate policy, or choosing the executives, and they think they have a republic form of government, none of which is true.

    All of the tangible assets, natural resources, and labor, have been pledged to this corporation "in perpetuity" for indentured statutory entitlement, so these employees have acquiesced to the corporate structure and have agreed to give all of their energy and labor for a line of credit against worthless fiat promissory notes, at interest, which deteriorate as they move through commerce.

    They hold no allodial title to anything, own nothing, and have ONLY illusory possessionary rights IF they maintain the corporate status quo. In other words, as long as they stay on the plantation and follow the rules, they are allowed to keep their jobs as indentured slaves.

    So, once again, how do we take these dear sentient souls and rehypoticate their thinking, their status, their indentured servitude, and break the structures which they so vehemently support? Just look at the majority of people, who look at you with disdain if you even mention 9-11, or the Federal Reserve, or the notion that they do not own their homes, or that their money is worthless?

    Those who see what really is, a really small percentage of people, who would like to change it, are cursed and disdained by their peers, even their own families, who mostly WANT to remain taken care of, indentured on the plantation of their own slavery, and these same people will vehemently defend it's mandates and statutory requirements, all the while believing in the illusion.

    I'm really not trying to be apathetic. I'm really looking for a way to expose the lie and wake up enough people to change things. I just don't think you can go to the corporate directors, as an employee, and tell them how to run the company.

    The context is all wrong, and the resources are all on the wrong side of the ledger. This company also controls the currency, and all the means of production, so if you try and usurp their power, they can just cut off the food supply, or the money supply, or create scarcity in commerce. So, how can we be united and powerful if we are broke and starving?

    That's what happened to our grandparents who acquiesced to the New Deal. They gave it all in exchange for bread and circuses. They are not willing to give that up and go back to a great depression, and neither are their grandkids (us).
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    Hmmmm; a citizens union. A curious idea,....

    Meh, it would never work.

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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    I can see only one possible action: shunning. One person at a time turning away, then one more, then one more. No taxes owed (too little money earned). No credit so no further borrowing. Growing, gathering, raising, fishing, hunting, trapping for food. Small steps toward self sufficiency, while turning away from "systems." one at a time until it turns into a flood.

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    Question Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Being an American ...

    As i have grown older i have come to realize it's not just about fighting for a better life ... It has become just as important in my personal experience and evolution in learning to become more human ... Is that seen as being apathetic ...
    Well then so be it. ...

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    ...
    They "think" they are free, they think they actually have a say in corporate policy, or choosing the executives, and they think they have a republic form of government, none of which is true.

    ... I just don't think you can go to the corporate directors, as an employee, and tell them how to run the company.

    The context is all wrong, and the resources are all on the wrong side of the ledger. This company also controls the currency, and all the means of production, so if you try and usurp their power, they can just cut off the food supply, or the money supply, or create scarcity in commerce. So, how can we be united and powerful if we are broke and starving?

    ...
    The vast majority having no idea that the US is a corporation is actually a good thing. It has never been consciously acquiesced to. Upon it's "light of day" examination, it will be rejected outright. But, until the people take over the government (the overt government), nothing will change.

    I do not agree to anything that leaves them in power, and puts us in a position of asking them to do anything. Even a cursory glance at The Reset Button will show that this plan ousts them all - permanently, transforms the entire electoral paradigm to make sure they cannot fill the seats with more of the same ilk, and puts only ordinary citizens with no corporate ties (not even stock ownership), and no party allegiance, and no private or corporate money, on the ballots.

    The Reset Button is not an end-game plan - it's a front-end plan and strategy.

    (I don't know where the end game will take us in its evolution, but by negating the ability of the Elite to be in control, whatever the end-game, it will be exponentially better than letting the monsters remain in power.)

    The Reset Button is a strategy to take them out of power. We have to have a first step. We have to take them out of power first.

    Dennis


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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Stop smoking hypnotic techniques. Some of the time, people who try hypnosis for stopping smoking, think it did nothing for them.

    Yet, in that moment, they stop smoking. It becomes effective for them.

    Part of the question is the 'mass hypnotic' of media, and herd instinct that lies in the automatic and autonomous aspects of daily life. That we are programmed to want that jelly donut, by the +85% of ourselves that is unconscious, the parts that have become automatic. The learned societal/cultural/group programming added into that huge unconscious mix.

    Recall (or know of) Delores Cannon's comment that people fell into a hypnotic state of mind (a particular mind/wave state), within 30 seconds of watching a television, and not one person in the test could stop themselves from doing so. No one lasted more than 30 seconds.

    That approximately 88% of our daily life exists in this given state.

    Deprogramming people takes the same path as the encoding.

    Which is why it is so important for PTB types to keep humans down on the farm and unaware of these things. to use forms of programming. to use that automatic unconscious aspect of self, as much as is possible and to keep it asleep.

    The part of you that is reading this type and interpreting it, is just a thin sheen on top of this given thing.

    Americans are not apathetic, this phase they are in is just a component of their current programming that they did to themselves --- and others added their own programming into/onto it.

    The same as for the rest of the people in the rest of the 'civilized' world.
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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Quote The courts are full of Elite-aligned criminals, from the top down, so there is no court/high-court/legal way out of this either.
    Find me a judge (that is above the city elected level), an appointed judge, somewhere in the western world, that is not a freemason.

    Good luck with that.


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    And, most importantly, I've got $20 here, that says that +90% of the people reading this bit, right now, have already forgotten that their conscious mind that is reading this, is just a thin sheen on top of a 88% sleeping unconscious giant. That they don't understand what my above post means. To understand it, more of their line between consciousness and unconsciousness, must dissolve. They must take charge of themselves, in a real way, in this specific way. The fundamental way that actually changes things.

    That... ladies and germs, is specifically what 'human awakening' - is all about. To not just realize that you are being gamed..... but that the mechanism by which it is done... is in you and of you.

    Hello! is there anyone home in there? Wake up!
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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    On infiltration of the forum and general subversion of the world:

    One does not need to prevent all aspects of an explosion from happening, in order to divert it, to cancel or shift it's effects.

    One merely needs to prevent the peak of over-pressure from taking place. Diverting a few percentage points is enough to divert the intent and flow of the rest.

    Just a few percentage points of change, which can hide themselves quite well, due to people's inability to find and recognize the pattern of subtlety among the complex mess.

    In the same way just a few percentage points of change are required to stop a person from jumping up high enough to grab a low hanging ladder, the person may never notice that the situation was externally contrived. A black and white change of grab ladder - not grab ladder, was effected ------with a few percentage points of subtlety.

    The person committed to 100% of the energies required to get the job done, but the shift of the few percentage points was enough to prevent their effort from being effective. Thus they never know that they did it right, and did it with enough energy.

    In such ways, you can find the subtle hidden hand that shifts, effort, desire, and energy..... into the appearance of apathy.

    They are asking for you to move to the explosion level. One where they apply their energy... they apply direction/deflection to the head of it, and divert it into what they want.

    For example, think of what game they played with Japan in WWII, they forced Japan to go to the explosion level. In the same way, they appear to be playing games in eastern Europe right now. They are pushing the Ukraine to move to the explosion level. Same way they always do it.

    You can be sure they have multiple plans and contingency plans, waiting in the wings, for if and when that happens. Same for the populace of the USA.

    We both know these things - and don't. Preventing them from achieving their aims.. key to that, is HOW you arrive at knowing these things. Knowing HOW they expect you to act and be, how they worked to get you there. Exactly what levers of manipulation were used to get you there.

    Only in that path of thinking, can a way out be found.
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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    ... The learned societal/cultural/group programming added into that huge unconscious mix.

    ... just a component of their current programming that they did to themselves --- and others added their own programming into/onto it.
    I'm not quick to place blame on the victims of deliberate, systematic, mass hypnosis. While people were going about their "normal" lives (and yes, "normal" since I have been on the planet seems to be a state of mostly somnambulance) Edward Bernays and others and whole think-tanks of devious minds were scheming about how to ensnare and enslave our minds. We were unprepared for the onslaught. Most of us don't even realize what was done to us to program us - and yes, our own patterns were studied and used to exploit us.

    I'm not completely letting us off the hook, but feel that we have to acknowledge that this was not something we simply fell into, but were lured into.

    Dennis


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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

    Quote Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
    Quote Posted by Carmody (here)
    ... The learned societal/cultural/group programming added into that huge unconscious mix.

    ... just a component of their current programming that they did to themselves --- and others added their own programming into/onto it.
    I'm not quick to place blame on the victims of deliberate, systematic, mass hypnosis. While people were going about their "normal" lives (and yes, "normal" since I have been on the planet seems to be a state of mostly somnambulance) Edward Bernays and others and whole think-tanks of devious minds were scheming about how to ensnare and enslave our minds. We were unprepared for the onslaught. Most of us don't even realize what was done to us to program us - and yes, our own patterns were studied and used to exploit us.

    I'm not completely letting us off the hook, but feel that we have to acknowledge that this was not something we simply fell into, but were lured into.

    Dennis
    We are completely on the same page, Dennis. The path which leads to self regulation for most people goes through stages, and the discovery that our all powerful parents lied about Santa is one of them.
    So that means at the collective level they need to first see that their government (collective parents) lied.
    So then comes a disconnect, and an effort to do it on one's own. And only then can personal responsibility be discovered.

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    Default Re: Why Are Americans So Apathetic... And what can be done about it ?

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    In the same way just a few percentage points of change are required to stop a person from jumping up high enough to grab a low hanging ladder, the person may never notice that the situation was externally contrived. A black and white change of grab ladder - not grab ladder, was effected ------with a few percentage points of subtlety.

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