The earth is flat, not round. We are being mind set by Annunaki/Illuminati/TPTB

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
.... I've been wondering just how far and deep the deceptions have gone to keep us in the dark....

Then let's stay focused on the actual deceptions that keep us in the dark. No offence intended. I could say a million things here that would blow away any so called "evidence" of a flat earth, for example -- where is the flat map then and what have sailors been saying about the "edges" for thousands of years? As Nick said, how do satellites stay in the sky? is the Earth a "chess" board that revolves around the sun or does the sun revolve around the "chess" board?

When a deception is investigated, its concept falls further from the truth at many and various steps, until evidence can be provided to the contrary. Indeed we have been lied to about the past and about human history - especially ancient human history (as indicated by your Tiamat comment), and if we do deep digging with an open mind -- evidence is everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

When it comes to a flat or round earth, I have seen no evidence ever that the earth is flat; for my scientific knowledge it breaks basic rules of physics and is more and more illogical the deeper you dig into the question -- the opposite result of what one would find in digging for info about ancient civilizations on earth. The more one digs into determining if the earth is "round" the more evidence there is for a round earth.

Its not as if our "rulers" lie to us and we have no way of knowing. We do, that is why we know they have been lying to us about a lot of things. We do have ways to easily vet a large amount of their disinfo, because as I said, seeking reveals the truth (not my saying, some Nazarene dude coined that ); what it takes is vetting the info properly, not using a "magic 8 ball" to determine which might be a lie or not.

This thread and topic is testament of the concept "Do not believe what you are told" - but rather, use the means at hand to conduct an investigation, before reporting findings. We, as a group here on Avalon, need to exercise this whether we are posting what we believe is the truth or a lie. Just because we know we are lied to a lot does not mean we should forgo our investigative abilities to believe in something or not, or we end up never getting past step one.

On the concept that "everything is an illusion so why not this?" -- this "Illusion" of our "reality" is bound by certain rules -- some ubiquitous and unchangeable, and others as the result of our collective beliefs. These forces hold our illusion together with those rules, without them, all would be dream, we call these basic forces our basic laws of physics, and thus we can use these ubiquitous "rules" to analyze the result -- our illusion, and glean some information about it. So I do agree our reality is illusion -- my take is that it is a dream within another dream - the big dream has laws and rules, and we dream inside this larger dream, but we are still bound by it's laws of physics.

My 2 cents, and no offence intended Maia.

[Maia Gabrial]

Looks like the Flat Earth theory is starting to make people wonder. Here is an interview on Galactic Connection:

http://www.bbsradio.com/sites/defaul...2014-06-10.mp3

[Maia Gabrial]

Here's something else to consider: Just because other planets may be spherical, doesn't mean Earth is....

[Maia Gabrial]

There's one other problem with a flat Earth; you need a way explaining how satellites orbit.

Actually, it would be easy to explain. If you go back to the map on the UN flag, it fits perfect for a flat earth theory. Take a really good look at the layout. You can even see Antartica on it. I think the Earth has curvature that would give the appearance of being a sphere. What I think is happening with satellites and planes is that they're following a circular path OVER the surface, not AROUND it; they're following the longitudinal lines over the surface. A big circle!

How's that for easy explanation?

Give this interview some serious consideration:

http://www.bbsradio.com/sites/defaul...2014-06-10.mp3

[DarMar]

long time before people believed in flatness of earth, and "recently" they changed beliefs.
It is just substitute belief, no more no less.

For me... earth does not have shape at all, rather something else .. I see earth as opportunity.
and in my view it is not fail to have discussion about that, but to grasp to some belief system so firmly without actually having first hand EXPERIENCE with it...

what if.. earth is living-moving beign? and changes shapes every now and than? then was really flat and now is really round?
like baloon full of air? wouldn't that explain more our 'cracked' nature of enviroment than anything else explained untill now?

that was just one thought which i heard from one friend, and it is belief system with lot of questions in progress.. which is good

what proof of earth shape we have behind those which are given to us and managed by people which are passionate in enslaving and controling mases?
i mean, really?

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

How's that for easy explanation?

Mmmm. Err, deeply unconvincing, but nowhere near as unconvincing as the audio you linked to. Did he really say sunspots are holes shot by weaponry because you can see space out through the other side?

And the host appears to believe him FFS. Shouldn't she be asking some hard-ball questions?

Oh enough. Absolutely enough.

Nick

[Nazman]

If there is one thing we can all AGREE on, it's that 'they lie'. So whilst, we are told 'this and that' and 'science' proves or 'disproves' whatever theory or idea, is it so wrong to wonder, question or discuss something in detail?

We are 'told' so many things, anything is worthy of topical debate, no matter how far fetched. Granted the forum should not disintegrate into some kind of fantasy circus but questioning fundamental aspects of our understanding and existence should always be encouraged, in my opinion (what little that's worth)

[Mitm]

Guys, Arthur Cristian of loveforlife.com.au feels&senses that the real shape of the earth to be something like this... with us being on the top ofcourse...

[araucaria]

In Genesis Revisited, Zecharia Sitchin describes the early days of the solar system when the Earth was only half a planet. After Nibiru’s satellites smashed into Tiamat, breaking it in two, the Earth would have been flat to the extent that it had one side of normal exposed crust, and a reverse side that was a gaping wound of exposed planetary innards, from which the planet has been recovering ever since. Sitchin states that the Sumerian KI is the root of the word Gaia, and means ‘cleaved apart’.

This would tend to suggest that humanity is still suffering from a kind of posttraumatic disorder that predates its own history, in other words a throwback to the time when Mother Earth was badly injured as a child herself. Until the 15th century, and although the ancient Greeks had known that the Earth was round, she was basically made up of a landmass surrounded by sea. The discovery of the New World changed all that. What we are perhaps discovering today is the real status of America. For many, it seems to behave like a phantom limb – America is somehow not for real, you have the American dream etc. But as the Atlantic slowly expands over eons and the Pacific contracts, what you actually have is the Earth’s landmass gradually extending to heal the open wound from when Earth was Tiamat. This is being played out in the human psyche to the extent that humanity is itself a part of Gaia. It is just extremely hard from our limited perspective of three score years and ten to see an effect that is still very much in progress after four billion years.

Only the other day, I was wondering about the increasing numbers of disabled facilities we are seeing everywhere, seemingly far more than would be necessary for the present handicapped population. Conspiracists might see this as preparation for some disaster that is to disable many more people. Perhaps, more positively, it is someone instilling in our minds the idea that we are all somehow already involved with disability and need to be more attentive to that aspect of our problems. If so, we begin to see why that would be a truly major issue, in order to turn a rough deal into something really valuable. Why do many claim the Earth is such a special place? Surely she is like millions of other planets? It makes more sense if we understand her as having survived this life-threatening scenario.

This in turn might explain why we keep coming back. Rather than being caught in a matrix, we may be simply extending a short human lifetime to meet the scale of a planetary lifetime. If so, we are not done yet, and this has nothing to do with any incompetence or blindness on our part. Emergency workers are dedicated carers with no eye on the clock. Sitchin's scenario would also explain the callous attitude of the Nibiru-based Annunaki returning to and looting what from their planetary standpoint is the scene of a hit-and-run accident from which they emerged unscathed.

[Sunny-side-up]

Reality is formless, we give it shape and geometry, geometry like ROUND or FLAT!

It's the way we 3Ders form the reality around us so we can navigate and survive/live!
It's also what traps us in this lower/dense solid reality! so swings and roundabouts depending on your view point/level of vibrational self!

There's a saying for when someone is trying to understand something "Get Your Head Around It"

Get your head AROUND it is how we are conditioned to see and think!

Love, Peace and many arm's around you Hugs
Alan

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

It is embarrassing to have this on Avalon.

Dennis

Yes, it is!

[araucaria]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)

It is embarrassing to have this on Avalon.

Dennis

Yes, it is!

Of course I agree with Dennis, and Bill’s wishing explicitly to concur, that this subject is utter nonsense in terms of 21st century science – or even travel: I know someone who flew to America and came home via Rumania

Having said that, I was attempting to salvage something out of this thread by explaining how flat-earthists can survive at all so long after their bedtime – a form of what Barbara Hand Clow calls ‘catastrophobia’ on a planetary scale. Catastrophobia is the post-traumatic fear of imminent catastrophe when the worst has already happened. This is the mother of all catastrophes in Earth’s infancy. One can cringe, but it is interesting to know that the persistent craziness might be coming from the Earth herself. (This is not to discount imminent catastrophe as a possibility: on the contrary, fear of catastrophe is the best way of making it happen.)

It is also interesting to note how, since the third dimension only a few miles up or down, the biosphere is largely two-dimensional anyway: rather like the felted rubber on a tennis ball, which IS the tennis ball to the extent that its third dimension is largely (possibly pressurized) air. In the case of the earth, inaccessibility leads to a spectrum of thinking, ranging from scientific theory, both mainstream and alternative (including ‘forbidden archaeology’ and ancient gold mines), to notions of a ‘hollow earth’ and, in between, the idea of underground cities built by extraterrestrials and/or their earthling minions. Even more than round-the-world travel, exploring the depths of the Earth is off-limits to the majority. Hence to many the world is very flat. These people are either blithely ignorant of the overall situation or they suspect a conspiracy of silence. Only when this situation changes will the Earth become spherical in a meaningful way.

[Violet]

And why not keep our doors open to discussing even the most seemingly obvious matters?

I've seen this question pass by in the past.

The only thing I can give here is my own motivations to currently dismiss this theory. The most general one being that it doesn't resonate with me that all who went up there (though theories exist that not all went up) came back to - jointly - and persisently uphold the fabricated idea that the earth is round and put so much energy in creating (though people are said to have spotted photoshop interference) imaginary scenes of what they claim to have witnessed.

This, if no other auxiliary tools were available to me, or you. Otherwise, buy a telescope and look around. How can the image you will observe fit with our planet being flat?

You would have to assume an optical illusion which only makes other celestial bodies appear round (/distant/bright/with colours/...) when in fact they (too) are not so. Once you accept the existence of such optical illusion you will have to consider other established ideas (on earth as well) as possible also being the result of optical illusions.

That road is mind-boggling but has to be walked out to the end to be able to be dismissed entirely.

I did not watch the video (yet).

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Violet (here)

You would have to assume an optical illusion which only makes other celestial bodies appear round (/distant/bright/with colours/...) when in fact they (too) are not so.

Here are some more optical illusions!



Of course, all these may be fake, and we may be being lied to (as in The Truman Show). Occam's Razor, though, suggests that this is a little unlikely.

We have to be smart. We can joke about it, of course, but it's genuinely a little worrying to me that this is being discussed (to the extent that even a tiny minority of members are considering the possibility of the thesis in the thread title being accurate).

If this is the extent of our ability to evaluate information, the global controllers have little to worry about when the real questions and the real complexities, some of which are genuinely mind-boggling, are a thousand times as hard to grasp -- and we are safely confused by issues that the ancient Greeks (Eratosthenes, to be exact) figured out on their own over 2,000 years ago with almost no technology to speak of, just very cleverly measuring the progression of the sun's shadow.

Do read:

Who Discovered The Earth is Round?
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithab...e-earth-is-ro/

[Cidersomerset]

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next Avalonian,
just waiting for the kick off 8.00pm England V Uraguay ( more
torture ) ..LOL..
The first two threads I've looked at quickly are Shakespeares
plays were written by a woman and the Earth is flat. Uhm !

Back to the bigger conspiracy we are going to thrash Uraguay..LOL

Though Bill your plan to phyche out the Aussies last winter in
the Ashes series backfired spectacularly...LOL




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Of course if this is all a hologram in the maitrix...well....



Scientific Evidence The Universe Is A Holographic Projection Around The Earth

Monday, January 30, 2012 21:57




http://beforeitsnews.com/strange/201...h-1695409.html

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Halftime Uraguay 1 England 0......Not looking Good !!

full time...Uraguay 2 England 1.....How did that happen

bloody Suerez...LOL

[Rich]

Posted by DarMar (here)
It is just substitute belief, no more no less.

Everything is an assumption, even that we live on earth, who said that we do?
A book? And who told the person that wrote the book?

[Violet]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
We know from ancient texts about Tiamat, Nick....
Nope, no joke about it, Nick.... I've been wondering just how far and deep the deceptions have gone to keep us in the dark.... Still am wondering....Mockery just won't deter me from this, Nick....

Then how about Bill's arguments and links up here?

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)

I've been wondering just how far and deep the deceptions have gone to keep us in the dark.... Still am wondering....

I understand, but here's more to wonder about. Those rabbits are very clever, you know! Some rabbit holes lead to dead ends, with nothing in them at all.

Here are a few theoretical possibilities to consider:

• You've just been created by God five minutes ago, complete with all your memories.
• You're dreaming, and everything you think is so real, including reading this now, is just an illusion.
• You're being mind controlled by the enemies of the alternative media to believe in the possibility of a flat earth; your sincere thoughts are not really your own.

Shall I go on? (Any more suggestions? )

Sometimes, what seems to be common sense (which includes the sensible and intelligent evaluation of available data), is the reality. Or else, boy, are you confused, and unable to make sure sense of anything.

[galilava]

sure, in the second dimension it is flat...earth is a point, a flat circle, a ball ...and we are up to here - what it becomes further in the fourth D we can not see...can we

[Hervé]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

However, there is one thing that finally convinced me that Earth ain't no flat plate...

... check it out at this post <---

Well, I tried to run with that ball and, if I could make it hold some water at the edges, I couldn't account for daylight saving times:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Let's see...

There was a tsunami on the West Coast (the far west coast... Hawaii)...

Then, there was that weather depression enhanced (Sandy) high-tide on the East Coast that did quite some flooding damages...

Could those be what Mitchell talk about?

Hmmm... I guess that tides on a flat earth are generated by a gentle push-pull of the earth disk like inside a bowl... but, then, earth would need walls all around it to prevent water from escaping... any explorers that have ran into those walls lately?

Well, maybe not walls but an all round cylindrical portal that sends one directly to the diametrical opposite point of the earth disk... yeah, that must be it! That would work for satellites too! Doesn't quite work for the sun and moon though... there must be some time delays specifically for so called space objects...

... wait a minute... if earth is flat then the entire disk is under daylight all at once...

Chucks, there goes that theory!

Alright, back to earthquakes and tsunamis.