Time, Memory, Thought, and Culture

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Got Some Time?


the 'doomsday clock'

People talk about the establishment, the system, the nation -- these are all such permanent-sounding words. Honestly, though, they don't represent much in the end but a somewhat larger pile of sand in the desert of the forgotten.

It's sad, but true -- even the largest of monoliths eventually passes beyond memory. By sheer luck a few of them are rediscovered by archaeologists or historians, myth-busters (grave robbers?) and adventurers, and re-introduced to human observation.

You know what, though? It seems like discovery has become old hat. As technology blossoms into its fullness, the news outlets fill to the brim with stories of ruins, pyramids, megaliths, etc. even bunkers (!) -- yet few of these stories seem to satisfy, or even make it to page 1 unless they appear on a science site.

What are we remembering then? Has our daily helping of trivia got anything at all to do with history? Will learning it spare us any future trouble? Or have we allowed our minds to be lent out -- "EMPTY SPACE HERE: INQUIRE WITHIN" -- to anyone sufficiently capable of titillating and exciting us?

Most of you are familiar with Salvador Dali's "The Persistence of Memory".

The well-known surrealist piece introduced the image of the soft melting pocket watch.[2]

It epitomizes Dalí's theory of "softness" and "hardness", which was central to his thinking at the time.

As Dawn Ades wrote, "The soft watches are an unconscious symbol of the relativity of space and time, a Surrealist meditation on the collapse of our notions of a fixed cosmic order".[3]

This interpretation suggests that Dalí was incorporating an understanding of the world introduced by Albert Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity.

Asked by Ilya Prigogine whether this was in fact the case, Dalí replied that the soft watches were not inspired by the theory of relativity, but by the surrealist perception of a Camembert cheese melting in the sun.[4]

Although fundamentally part of Dalí's Freudian phase, the imagery precedes his transition to his scientific phase by fourteen years, which occurred after the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

Scientific American Dares to Ask, Are your 9/11 Memories Your Own?

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/.../911-memories/

Are your 9/11 memories really your own?
By Melanie Tannenbaum | September 11, 2013

My memory of where I was and what I did on 9/11/01 is an example of a flashbulb memory, which folk theory has raised onto a pedestal as the best, most vivid, and most accurate type of memory one can possibly hold. Where were you when you found out that JFK had been assassinated? Where were you when you found out that Princess Diana had died? Where were you on 9/11? Many people can tell you exact details of that day in 1963, 1997, or 2001 — down to the outfits they were wearing and the breakfasts that they ate.

Yet, interestingly enough, although most people believe that they remember these moments perfectly, people actually show frequent errors in their recall.

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Conspiracy Theories and the Oral Tradition

Lots of you guys probably noticed what I did when the so-called "Tea Party" tried to stand up and define itself. People started going to Town Hall. They attended public meetings. Shared opinions in a shared room -- and the government hijacked, co-oped them, and effectively shut them down. Sure, they still cause a Republican upset here and there, but the movement itself has been redirected like people move a river bed.

But going back to Town Hall -- the big difference between Town Hall and the "Flashbulb Memory Media" of our times is the oral tradition. Sure, someone is taking notes, and there could well be a Minutes book lying around, but Town Hall meetings are typified by people standing up, getting the floor, and speaking aloud.

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Stephen King is a prolific North-Easterner who knows all about Town Hall. Maybe he's not the best writer, but as a point-maker and story-teller, he's hard to beat. And in the context of terrorism and disaster, King loves to re-introduce the phenomenon of Town Hall as a completion of the mass psyche's thought processes.

In fact King, while developing one of his deaf-mute characters in the book "THE STAND", makes a statement that "The thought process is incomplete without expression".


Where is our chance for expression in America? Without Town Hall, what are people DOING with all the factoids, hand-me-downs, snippets, smears, pot shots, and statistics they gather from watching the news on TV every day?

And could it be that this generation of "watchers" has even lost the ability to gather information in the first place? Not only incapable of expressing an opinion, but incapable of independently gathering enough information to FORM an opinion?

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This is NOT a cricitism of PA, mind you!

But tell me, who's the most recent PAer to write a full-length book?
How about the last one to write a screenplay?
A broadway production, or even a 15 minute Hamlet?
A poem?

Believe it or not, and this seems to be backed up by the forum archives if nothing else, Poetry is pretty much all that's left to humans (the only form of "older" media we remember how to produce!) in terms of the ability to express.

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DARK POETRY

And what kind of poetry does gallows humor produce?
Anyone else tempted to think of "Watership Down?
Who was it that brought up the rabbit "Silverweed" recently, and his macabre odes to the snare?

To those familiar with Silverweed's lines, are you reminded of Hollywood? MTV?
The absolutely MASSIVE amounts of public attention and energy devoted to distraction from the grim reality of death and destruction?

Don't we have more to say than a few lines of rap or requiem?

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I am not 100% percent sure of what I was supposed to say in this post...
But I will leave what is here so far and hope that someone here understands what I am saying.

That we need to recover that sense of "Long-sight", that planning ability that spans generations and ages, and forget this "play-by-play" nonsense that the MSM has implanted within us.

People used to get more done before the media had them running in circles like chickens with their heads cut off.



p.s. We've got all the time in the world.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

With a friend the other day, we were talking about racism and wars.
The subject of the "perception of time" came up.

We were postulating w/ each other that time perception is more important than race in terms of controlling people.

Get each group on a different "Timer" and there will be no meaningful communication.

i.e. all the kids on games/phones
i.e. all the moms and dads on TV and facebook
i.e. all the grandparents in church
i.e. never enough time for the baby to play outside (!)

We are all on different times/schedules

and the Bible talks about "he who will attempt to change the times and seasons"


Think about it -- the single greatest thorn in the side of humanity, could be how we collectively perceive time.

[spiritguide]

Push time out of the constraints of the box. The human species has leaped forward in evolution with the wheel, incline plain and harnessing energy. We are constantly evolving into something greater and better. What fails us is to take down our boxes and work together for the next evolution. The similarities in the above leaps forward are in overcoming gravity. We have still not come to a widespread understanding of our universe and it's laws (a priori ) to be able to think clearly about such things. Our ancestors considered themselves part of the whole and at this time our governments are programming us to not recognize the whole. If a billion cells can unite to keep us alive/well, then why can't a billion humans unite to protect the species? To further the human evolution just maybe we need to go beyond gravity and embrace the energy uniting ourselves. There is no separation in the creation. IMHO

Peace!

[ghostrider]

Time is an illusion , we count by the earth's rotation giving us the idea of the sun coming up or going down , when the reality is , it's the same day every day the only difference is the earth spun around on it's axis one time ... we think it's the next day ... everything is now ... The big thing they hide is we are on a rock floating in space among countless other rocks , all spinning around each other , spinning around in a galaxy , spinning around the universe among other galaxies , spinning around other universes in the absolutum , connected to countless absolutums inside the absolute absolutum ... humans found a way to count something that doesn't exsist ...

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Well, whether or not it's important, time is perceived.
And we feel smart when we think we have perceived something.
SO perception is a great vehicle to hijack. (duh lol)

Think about it this way: without the media, we set our own schedules.

The eyes, they are nothing more than a glorified light sensor.
Which is why the media uses flashes of light and bright colors to draw us in.

The ears, little more than a vibration detector.
Which is why the media uses percussion, explosions, ominous music, while presenting the news.

And if you noticed, these little flourishes and flairs are done "in time" (or in synch) with the items the MSM wants us to perceive as being important.

The "can't-waitness" of a topic is denoted by the bells and whistles and flashes that come along with it on the MSM.

Of course an actual emergency? Heralded by obsolete and outdated bells/whistles.
Not very exciting. I.e. an actual emergency on TV "interrupts the important programs" (i.e. the reality!) being peddled during "normal service".



Anyhow lol I am rambling bad.
But hopefully you can see "what they did thar" w/ some help from this discussion XD

[ghostrider]

when they realized controlling people is easy with vibrations and visual effects it was the beginning of the end of true freedom ... I think the trick is getting people to see things for what the really are ... The jump ahead of the machine is everyone learning that thoughts have spiritual energy , whether good or bad , energy and thought are connected ... the ptb control earth by perception controlled by thinking , controlled by what they put out for us to see and hear , keeping the monster pointed in a set direction , and it affects our entire world/society ... our world is so over marketed , advertising/perception control is everywhere ...

[grannyfranny100]

Tesla, yes, yes. Long term planning seems forgotten in the age of sound bytes, texting and instant replay. Town hall meetings and oral communication might help and even replace bars as a great pick up place, too.

"Naomi Wolf - The End of America revisited" meeting shows the positive energy and empowerment created in Town Hall type meetings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSp1skVIkA

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Well, we get to the discussion where we realize, "we really aren't much better off than apes!",
and acknowledge the HUGE amount of work/discipline required in order to exercise and preserve the human mind.

Being born is only one step -- we have to WORK for intelligence.

p.s. my thread about Mammon wasn't supposed to discourage hard work, btw!
It was a rant against capitalizing on the weakness of others and perception of strength...

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Posted by grannyfranny100 (here)
Tesla, yes, yes. Long term planning seems forgotten in the age of sound bytes, texting and instant replay. Town hall meetings and oral communication might help and even replace bars as a great pick up place, too.

"Naomi Wolf - The End of America revisited" meeting shows the positive energy and empowerment created in Town Hall type meetings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSp1skVIkA

my apologies, our posts hit at the same time --

thank you so much for adding to this discussion-- we need a perspective like yours to help sort this out!

p.p.s. you guys should listen to GrannyFranny100!!

[joeecho]

Thanks for starting this thread. These meat and potato threads, as I call them, can really get the juices flowing. It's ambrosia...the 'stuff' that makes life worth living...................................in the long run................that which transcends a 'limited' life time.

Posted by ghostrider (here)
Time is an illusion , we count by the earth's rotation giving us the idea of the sun coming up or going down , when the reality is , it's the same day every day the only difference is the earth spun around on it's axis one time ... we think it's the next day ... everything is now ... The big thing they hide is we are on a rock floating in space among countless other rocks , all spinning around each other , spinning around in a galaxy , spinning around the universe among other galaxies , spinning around other universes in the absolutum , connected to countless absolutums inside the absolute absolutum ... humans found a way to count something that doesn't exsist ...

Illusions layered upon illusions. Illusion is an illusion of an illusion.

If you were to count the various illusions you perceived all day for a 1,000 years, how many would you have come up with? Answer: None. For what REALLY is an illusion?

So how long did it take me to type out this post? Answer: No time at all.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

The paragraph above the Stephen King bit,

...Conspiracy Theories and the Oral Tradition

Lots of you guys probably noticed what I did when the so-called "Tea Party" tried to stand up and define itself. People started going to Town Hall....

If I typed that, it was supposed to read "lots of you guys probably noticed what happened"

LMAO

sorry for the weird slip up.
that was a strange one for sure.

[joeecho]

A couple scenes come to mind when I read through this thread:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xdgjUPMiiEc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=514h5cdwQyY

A perfect moment experienced:

I was with my girl sitting among the rocks at the base of Snoqualmie Falls on a warm summer's day and a fine mist gently floating through the air......................

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Btw while we are talking about Stephen King and the stand: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/19/health...html?hpt=hp_t1

75 CDC staff possibly exposed to anthrax, agency says
By Dana Ford, CNN
updated 8:53 PM EDT, Thu June 19, 2014


"There are three types of anthrax infection: cutaneous (through the skin), inhalation (through the lungs) and gastrointestinal (through digestion).

Early symptoms can suggest the flu.

"In the worst-case scenarios, literally, within a day or two of exposure, if you've inhaled spores and if they are very lethal, one begins to get -- as they say -- the standard flu symptoms -- high fever, malaise," said Leonard Cole, a bioterrorism expert. "You get lazy. You feel sick. You get headaches. You get bone aches.

"And then after a day or two, in the worst case, if you don't get treatment, it could be lethal for you, and beyond treatment," said Cole."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Trips
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sta...ptain_Trips.22

[Zaya]

Posted by Tesla_WTC_Solution (here)
This is NOT a cricitism of PA, mind you!

But tell me, who's the most recent PAer to write a full-length book?
How about the last one to write a screenplay?
A broadway production, or even a 15 minute Hamlet?
A poem?

Believe it or not, and this seems to be backed up by the forum archives if nothing else, Poetry is pretty much all that's left to humans (the only form of "older" media we remember how to produce!) in terms of the ability to express.

Well, I'm not sure if this is what you were looking for with this thread or not, but I actually have written TWO screenplays this year! I don't talk about it on here out in the open... One of them may be getting some traction. I don't want to discuss openly for fear of what could happen to them, but I want you to know that some of us ARE quietly expressing. And trying.

Back to your other points though:

That we need to recover that sense of "Long-sight", that planning ability that spans generations and ages, and forget this "play-by-play" nonsense that the MSM has implanted within us.

People used to get more done before the media had them running in circles like chickens with their heads cut off.



p.s. We've got all the time in the world

Such a great point about the long sight. You know, now that you mention it, that seems to be what TPTB have over us... PLANNING and a gift for seeing a plan through a VERY long time. (and money... can't forget money.)

The media does its absolute very best to keep us ADD. Reality shows and newscasts with extremely quick editing and stories that fly by us before we even get a chance to process are the way they want us to be taking media in. Don't pay attention to details. Just keep up, kids! You don't need to think about it. We did that for you. Etc.

[lastlegs]

This is a very interesting thread.

I recently got the audio book of Stephen King of 11-22-63 which was 32 CDs to listen to. It's concept was time portals with guardians and the price paid for changing time with a timeline's resistance to change.

What was really interesting about this story was when JFK was not assassinated in November, he still died before his presidency ended. And then instead of all the things beautiful we imagine that had he lived--the worse possible things happen. To the point that the end of the planet is almost inevitable.

Part of the story is how people accidentally found the portals and kept their secret for personal and selfish reasons. And when even thinking in long terms of how they could most successfully change history never really considered the ripples or consequences of all actions that move with time. There was also the exploration of people determining how this worked and seeing consequences.

I get audio books at the library as they are quite expensive when they are as long and unabridged as this. I do almost all my house work which is repetitive and repetitious listening. I also do all my baking and food preparation this way too. This is the way I changed back to making things from scratch and portioning up and freezing it for the future. The other good thing about that is I have lost 17 lbs. since January without dieting but eating better. All of which could be considered underlying issues in King's book.

I have read a lot of King's books but I have never been ecstatic about his work merely interested. This is his first book for me in which the characters were in depth and real.

One of the other things I have noticed is that in playing audio books that I once read, I hear things that I never saw when I read.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Thanks you two for posting here.

I am proud to see a writer on PA (Zaya!), let your light shine ,

and another Stephen King critic/fan (I think he has some sort of higher knowledge even if his delivery is crass Lastlegs!) -- spooky and wonderful writer, lol.
He is a bit phallocentric but all writers have their little quirks. XD