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    Lucifer is considered to be the bearer of light but at the same time the great deceiver;

    unanswered question: what type of light did he bear?- the original light source or our present holographic/fractionalized distortion of the original light source?-

    if the latter it might explain why he was/is considered to be at the same time the bearer of light + the great deceiver- definitely food for thought-

    stay well all-

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    Lucifer is considered to be the bearer of light but at the same time the great deceiver;

    unanswered question: what type of light did he bear?- the original light source or our present holographic/fractionalized distortion of the original light source?-

    if the latter it might explain why he was/is considered to be at the same time the bearer of light + the great deceiver- definitely food for thought-

    stay well all-

    Larry
    That was essentially what I was eluding to in my posts.

    Offering a counter point to an otherwise heavy handed analysis.

    Nevertheless, all will go where they go in the great dance.

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve.......but to be honest I don't know ( but would love to)...we also have our old friend Azaziel who was a demon from the getgo......check out.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ44q_5uMM4

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.

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    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Another version of Genesis is spoken about in this discussion thread here, in which Adam and Eve's departure from Eden was not a fall from God's grace, and that it was actually God's decision to let a female angel temporarily take over the body of the serpent in order to instruct Eve to go in against the will of "the rulers". These "rulers" were understood to be rather demonic in nature and enemies of God, and they were trying to keep Adam and Eve dumbed down.

    Even though all of this is but a metaphor - just as the official Christian Book of Genesis is - I find this version far more credible than the official one. Free Will and knowledge are gifts, not something illegitimately obtained as portrayed in the original Christian version of the Book of Genesis. Innocence and ignorance are not the same thing, and here on Earth, we know all too well who are pushing the dumbing down of humanity. Hint: it isn't the good guys.

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!

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    I don't want to use a different source ,is this biblical? A lot of stuff you see, dan brown etc missquote the bible and put in their own beliefs and agendas.ceratinly there is a lot written around the bible, and even ommitted from the bible that is relevant. Jesus said that you must have faith, the opposite of faith is not doubt , but certainty. Therefor you must have faith because what you percieve or believe is not certain...... I find this with many of myastral and mystical experiences..I need to have faith in them and know that they show me something about god.

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!
    maybe, What are your sources?

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    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Another version of Genesis is spoken about in this discussion thread here, in which Adam and Eve's departure from Eden was not a fall from God's grace, and that it was actually God's decision to let a female angel temporarily take over the body of the serpent in order to instruct Eve to go in against the will of "the rulers". These "rulers" were understood to be rather demonic in nature and enemies of God, and they were trying to keep Adam and Eve dumbed down.

    Even though all of this is but a metaphor - just as the official Christian Book of Genesis is - I find this version far more credible than the official one. Free Will and knowledge are gifts, not something illegitimately obtained as portrayed in the original Christian version of the Book of Genesis. Innocence and ignorance are not the same thing, and here on Earth, we know all too well who are pushing the dumbing down of humanity. Hint: it isn't the good guys.
    This is closer to my understanding of the version of events surrounding the 'fall from grace'.

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!
    Hey Becky,
    The difficulty we have is the bible - in that it has been altered and played about with to suit others wishes - Lilith was to my memory Adams first wife, who contained rather to much draconis reptilian, she therefor was into the blood scarfice and was not submissive to Adam because she had her own agenda, she was removed and another was brought forward who was more compassionate and more responsive to Adam - Eve was not tempted by the snake, she was made to understand that a massive deception was being played out on humanity and having been shown this decided to show the only male she trusted, Adam, on learning this Adam asked questions that got him, mrs Adam ( eve) and all the humans thrown out of Eden. So I think Eve was doing the right thing by telling her mate and its my view that she wa god match for adam, I hope this helps. simon

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!
    Hey Becky,
    The difficulty we have is the bible - in that it has been altered and played about with to suit others wishes - Lilith was to my memory Adams first wife, who contained rather to much draconis reptilian, she therefor was into the blood scarfice and was not submissive to Adam because she had her own agenda, she was removed and another was brought forward who was more compassionate and more responsive to Adam - Eve was not tempted by the snake, she was made to understand that a massive deception was being played out on humanity and having been shown this decided to show the only male she trusted, Adam, on learning this Adam asked questions that got him, mrs Adam ( eve) and all the humans thrown out of Eden. So I think Eve was doing the right thing by telling her mate and its my view that she was a good match for adam, I hope this helps. simon
    Hi Simon,
    thanks for your input here! It's really interesting to have your unique insights into this situation.
    Becky

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!
    Hey Becky,
    The difficulty we have is the bible - in that it has been altered and played about with to suit others wishes - Lilith was to my memory Adams first wife, who contained rather to much draconis reptilian, she therefor was into the blood scarfice and was not submissive to Adam because she had her own agenda, she was removed and another was brought forward who was more compassionate and more responsive to Adam - Eve was not tempted by the snake, she was made to understand that a massive deception was being played out on humanity and having been shown this decided to show the only male she trusted, Adam, on learning this Adam asked questions that got him, mrs Adam ( eve) and all the humans thrown out of Eden. So I think Eve was doing the right thing by telling her mate and its my view that she wa god match for adam, I hope this helps. simon
    Lilith is mythology that is representative of our attitude towards the feminine and the earth, the evolution of this once venerated figure is interesting. Eve is a figure that can be dominated, which is representative of the Judaic monotheistic tradition which makes no bones about it being a patriarchy. The feminine as the earth as being something to be dominated.

    This why often at a Jewish wedding you will see the symbolic crushing of a glass only by the man, because he is the patriarch

    The story of Lilith was twisted to make her a **** as was the story of Mary Magdelene, this is not the truth, it is a twisted agenda. The ramifications of the demonisation of the feminine have been devastating, as the monotheistic patriarchal world view became part of Christianity which took it to even further extremes.

    Leading to such notable events in history as the witch burnings, whose victims were usually female.

    Today we see this continued lack of respect to the feminine and our domination and lack of respect to nature.
    “One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. The latter procedure, however, is disagreeable and therefore not popular.” (Carl Jung)

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!
    Hey Becky,
    The difficulty we have is the bible - in that it has been altered and played about with to suit others wishes - Lilith was to my memory Adams first wife, who contained rather to much draconis reptilian, she therefor was into the blood scarfice and was not submissive to Adam because she had her own agenda, she was removed and another was brought forward who was more compassionate and more responsive to Adam - Eve was not tempted by the snake, she was made to understand that a massive deception was being played out on humanity and having been shown this decided to show the only male she trusted, Adam, on learning this Adam asked questions that got him, mrs Adam ( eve) and all the humans thrown out of Eden. So I think Eve was doing the right thing by telling her mate and its my view that she wa god match for adam, I hope this helps. simon
    Lilith is mythology that is representative of our attitude towards the feminine and the earth, the evolution of this once venerated figure is interesting. Eve is a figure that can be dominated, which is representative of the Judaic monotheistic tradition which makes no bones about it being a patriarchy. The feminine as the earth as being something to be dominated.

    This why often at a Jewish wedding you will see the symbolic crushing of a glass only by the man, because he is the patriarch

    The story of Lilith was twisted to make her a **** as was the story of Mary Magdelene, this is not the truth, it is a twisted agenda. The ramifications of the demonisation of the feminine have been devastating, as the monotheistic patriarchal world view became part of Christianity which took it to even further extremes.

    Leading to such notable events in history as the witch burnings, whose victims were usually female.

    Today we see this continued lack of respect to the feminine and our domination and lack of respect to nature.

    There is a historic tradition,which I do not ignore...............So how did Mary come to play such a large part in Roman Catholisiscm?
    The answer is politics. The Roman empire did not fall, it divided, the Eastern part of the empire had it's capitol in Constantinople, now called CasaBlanca , the name itself is from the Byzantine, and they were a Christian nation that gave us such things as the" divinity of Kings"However at some point they were ruled by a brother and sister and questions were asked as to her suitability to rule.
    Given that Eve was responsible for Adam's fall........all seemed lost for the couple , until they came back with the rejoinder that Mary was the mother of God, and they were allowed to rule together ( You can check this out in John Romer's "Testemant" and excellent read)..........the confession? now that is another story

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    I'll make a few points if I may, and if I am incorrect I hope people will correct me. If we take the old testemant. Moses received the 10 commandments from God, he also received the first 5 books of the bible called the torah to Jews, and the Pentatuech to Christians. They are called the books of the law. Now the first point is that they were copied, religiously by Jews, no errors would be tolerated, but a few books with errors appeared and some went to a sect or tribe of Jews called the "Samaritans" hence the tale of the " Good Samaritan".the moral of the story was that despite not having the actual word of God, he behaved in a charitable and goodly way.
    So right back to the old testement we can see that there was trouble with translations. Now if we move to the new testament we have the problem that certain bibles were translated from Greek and others from Latin. The English bible is from Greek, other European bibles are from latin e.g. the French.and of course manty Gospels were ommitted and there was much editing. The new testament is actually back to front the oldest part being the letters to Paul and not the Gospels.
    The point that I am making is that the Bible may very well be the word of God but it has been interfered with by man.......Now what this guy says on the vid may very well be true, but he has his own agenda also, that of Astrotheosophy, and really you would need to be able to read greek, hebrew and Latin to be able to get a good understanding of what was meant in the Bible.
    Recently I heard that " Lillith" a Demon was actually Adam's first wife. I believe that in Jewish sources this is quite well known
    Did Lillith start off as a demon or did she become a demon after Adam rejected her?
    Well I don't know if she was rejected or just not suitable ( LOL) I mean look at Eve....[/url]
    Hi Aheb,
    what do you mean by your comment 'look at Eve' please?
    Thanks
    Becky
    Well how did Adam fall from the garden of eden?.....only through Eve. His choice of Women was not so good. As I heard it about Lillith she was his first wife, and again didn't perform well ( if you get my gist).but I am no scholar in this respect.
    Oh - it was my understanding that Eve enabled Adam to see through the lies to the truth, and for that they were banished from the Garden of Eden. She's a much maligned and misunderstood character!
    Hey Becky,
    The difficulty we have is the bible - in that it has been altered and played about with to suit others wishes - Lilith was to my memory Adams first wife, who contained rather to much draconis reptilian, she therefor was into the blood scarfice and was not submissive to Adam because she had her own agenda, she was removed and another was brought forward who was more compassionate and more responsive to Adam - Eve was not tempted by the snake, she was made to understand that a massive deception was being played out on humanity and having been shown this decided to show the only male she trusted, Adam, on learning this Adam asked questions that got him, mrs Adam ( eve) and all the humans thrown out of Eden. So I think Eve was doing the right thing by telling her mate and its my view that she wa god match for adam, I hope this helps. simon
    Lilith is mythology that is representative of our attitude towards the feminine and the earth, the evolution of this once venerated figure is interesting. Eve is a figure that can be dominated, which is representative of the Judaic monotheistic tradition which makes no bones about it being a patriarchy. The feminine as the earth as being something to be dominated.

    This why often at a Jewish wedding you will see the symbolic crushing of a glass only by the man, because he is the patriarch

    The story of Lilith was twisted to make her a **** as was the story of Mary Magdelene, this is not the truth, it is a twisted agenda. The ramifications of the demonisation of the feminine have been devastating, as the monotheistic patriarchal world view became part of Christianity which took it to even further extremes.

    Leading to such notable events in history as the witch burnings, whose victims were usually female.

    Today we see this continued lack of respect to the feminine and our domination and lack of respect to nature.

    There is a historic tradition,which I do not ignore...............So how did Mary come to play such a large part in Roman Catholisiscm?
    The answer is politics. The Roman empire did not fall, it divided, the Eastern part of the empire had it's capitol in Constantinople, now called CasaBlanca , the name itself is from the Byzantine, and they were a Christian nation that gave us such things as the" divinity of Kings"However at some point they were ruled by a brother and sister and questions were asked as to her suitability to rule.
    Given that Eve was responsible for Adam's fall........all seemed lost for the couple , until they came back with the rejoinder that Mary was the mother of God, and they were allowed to rule together ( You can check this out in John Romer's "Testemant" and excellent read)..........the confession? now that is another story
    Yeah, Mary was not originally a virgin but the Roman Catholic church wanted to bring the followers of Isis (very topical at the moment) into the fold and so made her the virgin queen.


    Mary becomes Mother of God: "The year 431 A.D. was a momentous one in the history of the Queen of Heaven. That’s the year the church fathers, meeting in Ephesus in modern day Turkey, officially declared that Mary is Theotokos, literally, in Greek, the one who gave birth to God."

    http://thequeenofheaven.wordpress.co...s-became-mary/
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    Yeah, Pantera. the roman soldier.but when does fact mix with fantasy and who knows what the real message is?. the history is interesting and sometimes the modern interpretations are an irrelevant distraction of the thought of those days.

    Just noticed that I said casablanca when I meant Istanbul......my bad (edit)

    good read thanks
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    I think we have to go much further back than the OT to touch on the true roots of the message. As the OT is a massive distortion of an earlier period in history. To know who Lilith and the serpent was, we have to go beyond the OT and back to the Sumerians where Abraham came from.

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